Nail Spinner
Mike Dobony
Lowes doesn't know what I am talking about. Neither does Sutherlands. Not an
item for either Grizzley or Harbor Freight. Even Rockler doesn't have one.
Any ideas? Can't even find it on Amazon or Ebay or web search.
Mike D.
Oren
Does this site work?
<http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_00902601000P?sid=comm_craftsman_reviews>
HeyBub
hr(bob) hofmann@att.net
east side of the big pond?
RonB
But I would be reaching for one of my brad nailers. What is the
advantage of one of these?
RonB
drill holes in hardwood trim to ensure fit and no splitting.
RicodJour
>
> On further thought, I do remember chucking up a finish nail to pre-
> drill holes in hardwood trim to ensure fit and no splitting.
Otherwise I'll break out the appropriate nail gun.
R
Oren
<hrho...@att.net> wrote:
>What the heck is a nail spinner? Is it something used by folks on the
>east side of the big pond?
I've bored holes in wood by cutting the nail head off and chucking
into the drill.
Even in reverse I can accomplish this with a drill.
Easy, clean and just pick the nail size.
--
"I have found that if it flies, floats or fornicates it is generally
cheaper to rent rather than own."
aemeijers
(what with my blurry-anyway eyes pointing in different directions), I
always do pilot holes for hammer-driven finish trim work. One of these
days, I'm gonna have to assemble and teach myself to use that HF trim
nailer I bought with the 40-buck pancake compressor last year. (Not like
I'll ever being doing production work for money again- and for chores
around here, I can drive 3 nails and stare at the work for 30 seconds
while the compressor cycles.)
--
aem sends....
--
aem sends...
harry
wrote:
Do you mean a spindle moulder?
http://www.kelwoodmachinery.co.uk/index_files/joinerymachinesspecialoffers.htm?gclid=COyxtO6yyasCFcRtfAodCDyh1w
DD_BobK
I needed one about 2 years ago and could only find them at Sears.
I hit a couple s Sear locations in my area but they were "out of
stock".
I was too lazy to buy a couple through Sears online store.
Now they appear to be MIA everywhere..... :(
cheers
Bob
DD_BobK
cages. :)
btw I pinged Vermont America about nail spinner production, I should
have an answer next week.... will report back.
cheers
Bob
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>days, I'm gonna have to assemble and teach myself to use that HF trim
>nailer I bought with the 40-buck pancake compressor last year. (Not like
>I'll ever being doing production work for money again- and for chores
>around here, I can drive 3 nails and stare at the work for 30 seconds
>while the compressor cycles.)
with an 8 gallon tank charged to 100 pounds.
When you put that thing together, be sure to put some padding on your
forehead. You'll be smacking yourself for not getting around to
that a long time ago.
It is one of *those* kind of toys.
Jim
aemeijers
together' part. Got some baseboards that need redoing, as well as the
insides of most of the closets. I've also got a power miter saw I have
yet to open the box on, from a couple 3 years ago.
Amazing how easy it is to put off stuff, with no SWMBO in the house, and
low standards. If the neighbors can't see it, there is no hurry, etc.
--
aem sends...
Mike Dobony
"harry" wrote in message
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Like all the sites I actually found it, they are not available.
Mike Dobony
"RonB" wrote in message
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happen with the spinner.
Mike Dobony
"DD_BobK" wrote in message
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RicodJour
drill. I don't know what you did, but you did the something or the
wood was wonky and would have split regardless of what spun the nail.
I clip off the head, chuck it into the drill, file the flats a bit to
sharpen up the edges, then spin the drill to see if the nail is
straight. They usually aren't. I bend the nail by hand until there
is little to no run-out, and it's good to go.
R
DD_BobK
You say "they make them"...... are you saying VA makes them?
I searched VA's website & found no reference to them.
I'm thinking they don't make them anymore.
cheers
Bob
RicodJour
https://store.titantooloutlet.com/inet/storefront/store.php?mode=showproductdetail&product=-1&link_id=-1&link_itemcode=20777
The spinner requires you to use a drill to spin in the nail, stop, and
use a hammer to finish driving it. Using a clipped nail requires you
to use a drill to make the hole, stop, and use a hammer to finish
driving it. Really not a big difference in time or effort unless you
are doing a lot of nails, and in that case there are tools that don't
require using the drill at all.
Something like the Paslode Trimpulse, or approved equal, is far
faster, doesn't split wood, and is useful for many more applications.
It's an investment, sure, but it's an _investment_!
R
Red Green
28fba9...@h34g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
> cheers
> Bob
Red Green
news:3ce1aba1-a74b-41fc...@t11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
Stock".
Mike Dobony
the spinner. I only had 3 sets of door casings to do and was not about
to go out and buy a compressor and trim nail gun for the task. I was
also not about to go out and find one to borrow and then go hunt for
the proper nails for it.
RicodJour
> the spinner. I only had 3 sets of door casings to do and was not about
> to go out and buy a compressor and trim nail gun for the task. I was
> also not about to go out and find one to borrow and then go hunt for
> the proper nails for it.
driving it? That's curious. Where were these nails located that
split the wood, what size were they and what sort of wood were the
casings?
I don't see how the physics of spinning a nail with a spinner is any
different than spinning it with a drill, but that's neither here nor
there.
R
Twayne
Mike Dobony
Oren
<sw...@asarian-host.net> wrote:
>The drilling nail did not split the wood. The driven nail did.
>
DD_BobK
> "DD_BobK" wrote in message
>
> news:ced721f4-c984-4a72...@h34g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Oct 1, 6:57 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 1, 9:40 pm, RonB <rnrbro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Yep. That's what I do if I have just a few tricky nails to drive.
> > Otherwise I'll break out the appropriatenailgun.
>
> > R
>
> cages. :)
>
> btw I pinged Vermont America aboutnailspinnerproduction, I should
>
> cheers
> Bob
>
..........................................
Dear Robert,
Thank you for writing.
You are correct, our nail spinners are discontinued and are no longer
available .
I am sorry for any inconvenience.
We value you as a Vermont American tool user & trust that you will use
your Vermont American with confidence.
If you have further questions please write back.
..........................................
so..... there you go, seems like nail spinners have joined the swing
brace and the ratchet screwdriver.
cheers
Bob
aemeijers
> On Oct 2, 6:22 am, "Mike Dobony"<rad...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "DD_BobK" wrote in message
>>
>> news:ced721f4-c984-4a72...@h34g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> On Oct 1, 6:57 pm, RicodJour<ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 9:40 pm, RonB<rnrbro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On further thought, I do remember chucking up a finishnailto pre-
>>>> drill holes in hardwood trim to ensure fit and no splitting.
>>
>>> Yep. That's what I do if I have just a few tricky nails to drive.
>>> Otherwise I'll break out the appropriatenailgun.
>>
>>> R
>>
>> I guess we now know whynailspinners when the way of dodo bird
>> cages. :)
>>
>> btw I pinged Vermont America aboutnailspinnerproduction, I should
>> have an answer next week.... will report back.
>>
>> cheers
>> Bob
>>
>
> Reply from customer service at VA
> ..........................................
> Dear Robert,
>
> Thank you for writing.
> You are correct, our nail spinners are discontinued and are no longer
> available .
> I am sorry for any inconvenience.
>
> If you have further questions please write back.
> ..........................................
>
> so..... there you go, seems like nail spinners have joined the swing
> brace and the ratchet screwdriver.
>
> cheers
> Bob
style bits for the giant-size yankee with the red wood handle, but
apparently everyone on ebay thinks they are made of gold.
--
aem sends...
Vic Smith
wrote:
>
>Reply from customer service at VA
>..........................................
>Dear Robert,
>
>Thank you for writing.
>You are correct, our nail spinners are discontinued and are no longer
>available .
>I am sorry for any inconvenience.
>
>We value you as a Vermont American tool user & trust that you will use
>your Vermont American with confidence.
>If you have further questions please write back.
>..........................................
>
>so..... there you go, seems like nail spinners have joined the swing
>brace and the ratchet screwdriver.
>
Never even used the old brace drills I had, since I was born after the
advent of affordable power drills.
I do miss my lost or stolen crank drill, which I used occasionally
when I didn't want to drag a power cord out.
Just don't care to own battery powered tools.
I picked up one of those driver "kits' in a plastic case at HD or
someplace a while back when I saw the bits were worth the price of the
kit. Maybe 5 bucks for the kit. They were unloading them.
Chinese, like almost everything else.
I've got a feeling that when I get my tools organized and out of
various boxes and containers, I'll find way too many of just about
every driver bit. Also think the razor knives will add up big time.
Anyway, my kid was putting together the "fireplace" I mentioned
recently, and there were many phillips screws to drive in tight spots.
I noticed the store bag with the driver kit and pulled it out.
Had a ratcheting driver handle and he used it.
Sloppy action and I figured it would break, but it lasted the job.
I don't want to insult anybody, but that nail spinner is about the
most stupid tool I ever heard of.
I've driven plenty of nails and screws in hardwoods and only split
wood once - the first time.
After that I chucked a drill bit slightly smaller than the nail or
screw shank and pre-drilled.
I pre-drill pine too when using fat or long screws.
Recently put up a couple hundred feet of oak crown moulding,
baseboard, door casings and shoe, using a brad nailer for the first
time. No splits, and very little denting.
I'm a fan of brad nailers now. They don't cost much, and the little
pancake compressor has other uses.
Blowgun - and tires in a pinch. Well worth the 60-70 bucks for a kit.
Besides that, I'll use that nailer again soon for shelf cleats between
the studs in my garage. That right there will save me a thumb and a
finger.
BTW, I read long ago that blunting (flatten with a grinder) the nail
tip will prevent splitting, because the nail will shear the wood
fibers instead of separating them.
Never tried it, and don't know if it really works. I pre-drill.
But the 18 ga gun brads I used for my oak are flat tipped.
Don't really know if that's because it's cheaper to produce them with
no point, and the gun force doesn't need pointed nails, or it's
because it prevents splitting, or both.
For hardwood trim, I'll use the nailer from now on.
--Vic
Oren
<thismaila...@comcast.net> wrote:
>BTW, I read long ago that blunting (flatten with a grinder) the nail
>tip will prevent splitting, because the nail will shear the wood
>fibers instead of separating them.
>Never tried it,
Dulling the point does in fact prevent a nail from splitting the wood.
No grinder is needed. Just hold the nail on a hard surface (metal /
concrete) and tap with a hammer. This dulls the nail point.
I don't recall what project we were doing, but a friend showed me this
technique and it does work - no more splits that day. I had forgot
about it until you just mentioned it.
RicodJour
> >BTW, I read long ago that blunting (flatten with a grinder) the nail
> >tip will prevent splitting, because the nail will shear the wood
> >fibers instead of separating them.
> >Never tried it,
>
> Dulling the point does in fact prevent a nail from splitting the wood.
> No grinder is needed. Just hold the nail on a hard surface (metal /
> concrete) and tap with a hammer. This dulls the nail point.
You can do the same thing by turning the nail upside down and hitting
the point. That way you don't need a concrete or metal surface.
The other tip is to align the nail in the correct orientation. Nail
points have flats with an elongated diamond shape. If the nail is
placed with the wider axis running across the wood grain it will cut
the fibers and is less likely to split the wood. This works with both
finish and common nails.
Check out the ridges right under the nail head on a common nail and
you'll see how the ridges relate to the longer axis. You can feel
these ridges and orient the nail without looking at it.
R
DD_BobK
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:34:31 -0700 (PDT), DD_BobK <rkaza...@gmail.com>
I have used the old swing brace drills even though I was born after
the
advent of affordable power drills. I used one before I could afford a
HoleHawg or heavy duty right angle drill kit.
I haven't used a swing brace is over 25 years
Every tool has its time and its use.
Just because you cannot see the previous (or current uses) for a nail
spinner
doesn't mean "that nail spinner is about the most stupid tool I ever
heard of".
Your comment is not insulting but it is revealing.
Stupid tool might be the correct phrase but the reference seems wrong
in this case.
Now that you've discovered brad nailers and are clearly an expert,
shall we cease the manufacture & sale of small hammers, finishing
nails and nail sets?
FYI the mechanics of "driving" a nail with a nail spinner is
substantially different than driving a nail with a hammer or shooting
brads.
And there a situations were "spinning the nail in" is advantageous.
Using a cordless drill as substitute of for a nail spinner is an 'ok"
solution but the drill chuck grips the a finishing nail differently
than a nail spinner.
BTW an 18 gage brad nailer is a bit on the small side for crown and
kinda wimpy for shelf cleats.
I would suggest you consider a 16 gage brad nailer or 15 gage finish
nailer.
I have access to all three but use the 16 gage the most of the time,
that is, when I'm not pining for a nail spinner.
Dulling a nail point does help to reduce the tendency for the nail to
split the wood but it certainly won't do the whole job in a serious
hardwood.
Pre-drilling, especially in hardwood, is a good technique if you don't
have a brad nailer.
cheers
Bob
RicodJour
>
> The crown went up solid. If I ever see sagging/separation I'll pop
> bigger brads in.
I usually plan on doing it right the first time, and don't make backup
plans from the get go. Bob is right and you should have used a
heavier gage nail. Houses move and brads have minimal holding power
and strength.
I liked your story though, if it's any consolation. ;)
R
Vic Smith
wrote:
>On Oct 8, 11:59 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> The crown went up solid. If I ever see sagging/separation I'll pop
>> bigger brads in.
>
>I usually plan on doing it right the first time, and don't make backup
>plans from the get go. Bob is right and you should have used a
>heavier gage nail. Houses move and brads have minimal holding power
>and strength.
>
I didn't make any backup plans when I did the job.
Just did it now to shut you guys up.
Didn't work.
>I liked your story though, if it's any consolation. ;)
>
It sure was (-:
--Vic
aemeijers
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:18:00 -0700 (PDT), DD_BobK<rkaz...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 8, 9:40� am, Vic Smith<thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:34:31 -0700 (PDT), DD_BobK<rkaza...@gmail.com>
>
>>
>> the
>> advent of affordable power drills. I used one before I could afford a
>> HoleHawg or heavy duty right angle drill kit.
>> I haven't used a swing brace is over 25 years
>>
>> Every tool has its time and its use.
>> Just because you cannot see the previous (or current uses) for a nail
>> spinner
>> doesn't mean "that nail spinner is about the most stupid tool I ever
>> heard of".
>>
>> Your comment is not insulting but it is revealing.
>>
>
> I wonder why it looks like nobody even sells them.
> Maybe they'll get restocked.
>
Chuckle. I was helping some of the young guys at the office hang a 50"
plasma the other day, and they had more enthusiasm than tools or
expertise. Just for giggles, I brought along my under-desk tool bag (all
I have room for, now that they put me in a smaller cube AGAIN), and I
pulled out my vermont knock-off of a yankee push screwdriver. They were
amazed- 'you just push, and it turns the screw?'
Yeah, I have a cordless drill I use as a screwgun, and I love it. But
for the occasional small job like this, with 6-8 3" 1/4-20 machine bolts
to install, having it in the tool bag sure beats running them all in by
hand, or making a trip back upstairs (or home), and coming back with
power tools.
As I run across them, I'm trying to collect all the same or similar
small hand tools and gadgets I used as a kid. I find them comforting.
--
aem sends...
DD_BobK
> On 10/8/2011 11:59 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
>
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........They were amazed- 'you just push, and it turns the
screw?' ........
Did you tell them it was "magic"? ;)
DD_BobK
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:18:00 -0700 (PDT), DD_BobK <rkaza...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
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> >On Oct 8, 9:40 am, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:34:31 -0700 (PDT), DD_BobK <rkaza...@gmail.com>
>
> >the
> >advent of affordable power drills. I used one before I could afford a
> >HoleHawg or heavy duty right angle drill kit.
> >I haven't used a swing brace is over 25 years
>
> >Every tool has its time and its use.
> >Just because you cannot see the previous (or current uses) for a nail
> >spinner
> >doesn't mean "that nail spinner is about the most stupid tool I ever
> >heard of".
>
> >Your comment is not insulting but it is revealing.
>
> I wonder why it looks like nobody even sells them.
> Maybe they'll get restocked.
>
> >in this case.
>
> I imagine myself spinning in a nail, then a 7 year-old son watching
> asks "Why don't you use a drill bit to make holes, dad?"
> Then I say, "Son, I have this here nail spinner. That's why."
> So I die, and a daughter get my tools, and has a garage sale.
> The 7 year-old has grown up, and is off fighting a war in the Middle
> East.
> The daughter sells a box of drill and driver bits for a nickel.
> My nail spinner is in that box.
> Son comes back from the war a hero, marries, has 3 kids and
> a house. But he's a changed man due to being too close to many IED
> explosions. Real edgy.
> Decides to replace a door casing the dog chewed up.
> He keeps bending nails and splitting casing.
> Thinking back, he remembers his dad spinning nails, and how much he
> liked his nail spinner.
> He calls up his sister and says,
> "I need dad's nail spinner. Where is it?"
> She says, "You know I sold all dad's tools. I gave you 10 dollars for
> your half. Just buy a new one."
> So he looks and looks, and can't find a nail spinner to buy, not even
> on eBay.
> He looks on the net and finds an article like this, where he learns to
> use a drill bit to pre-drill holes, or maybe he gets a brad gun.
> He gets the casing job done, because dad told him to never give up.
> But he can't forget his dad's nail spinner and how his sister sold it
> like it was nothing at all.
> That festers in him so badly he ends up killing her, and getting 20
> years in the can.
> His nieces and nephews have no mother, and his kids have no dad.
> All because of that fucking nail spinner.
> That's why nail spinners are stupid and I won't use one.
>
> >Now that you've discovered brad nailers and are clearly an expert,
> >shall we cease the manufacture & sale of small hammers, finishing
> >nails and nail sets?
>
> the gun doesn't set them all.
>
> >FYI the mechanics of "driving" a nail with a nail spinner is
> >substantially different than driving a nail with a hammer or shooting
> >brads.
> >And there a situations were "spinning the nail in" is advantageous.
> >Using a cordless drill as substitute of for a nail spinner is an 'ok"
> >solution but the drill chuck grips the a finishing nail differently
> >than a nail spinner.
>
>
> >BTW an 18 gage brad nailer is a bit on the small side for crown and
> >kinda wimpy for shelf cleats.
> >I would suggest you consider a 16 gage brad nailer or 15 gage finish
> >nailer.
> >I have access to all three but use the 16 gage the most of the time,
> >that is, when I'm not pining for a nail spinner.
>
> It's 4" crown and I popped 2 brads in every stud/joist. 2" brads.
> The shelves will be 4" wide and not have to take much weight.
> Wainscotting I pulled out of the dining room.
> Think I'll use leftover shoe for cleats, and maybe have to buy a
> piece. 4 brads per cleat should do fine.
> I agree a bigger brad would be better, but when I bought the
> compressor with gun I was planning on only doing base and casings.
> My wife won the crown battle. She was right - I guess.
> Looks good. I don't mind a clean corner at the wall top, but she
> always hung wallpaper borders up there before the I did the crown.
> She'd change it every 5 years or so.
> I'd come home from work after she did that on her day off, and after a
> few days went by without me even noticing it, she'd be pissed off.
> So I'm done with that.
> The crown went up solid. If I ever see sagging/separation I'll pop
> bigger brads in.
>
Thanks.... your story confirms my impression and re-affirms my post.
........ You just don't like drill bits. ........
non sequitur
You never seen a nail spinner (other than a picture), you've never
used one and you cannot see the use for one,
you think that someone who might use a nail spinner "doesn't like
nails" and the nail spinner is the stupid tool?
You don't even know how one works.
Clearly you're commenting on something you don't even understand. :(
Hmmmmmm
btw I thought your story was stupid and even close to "funny".
cheers
Bob
aemeijers
(snip)
>> Chuckle. I was helping some of the young guys at the office hang a 50"
>> plasma the other day, and they had more enthusiasm than tools or
>> expertise. Just for giggles, I brought along my under-desk tool bag (all
>> I have room for, now that they put me in a smaller cube AGAIN), and I
>> pulled out my vermont knock-off of a yankee push screwdriver. They were
>> amazed- 'you just push, and it turns the screw?'
>>
>> Yeah, I have a cordless drill I use as a screwgun, and I love it. But
>> for the occasional small job like this, with 6-8 3" 1/4-20 machine bolts
>> to install, having it in the tool bag sure beats running them all in by
>> hand, or making a trip back upstairs (or home), and coming back with
>> power tools.
>>
>> As I run across them, I'm trying to collect all the same or similar
>> small hand tools and gadgets I used as a kid. I find them comforting.
>>
>> --
>> aem sends...
>
> ........They were amazed- 'you just push, and it turns the
> screw?' ........
>
> Did you tell them it was "magic"? ;)
>
These are pretty bright kids- as soon as they saw the spiral part of the
tool, and used it once, they understood it. The point is, they had never
seen one before. Have Yankee-style screwdrivers been gone from the mass
market that long? I haven't seen them in stores around here in several
years.
--
aem sends...
RicodJour
>
> These are pretty bright kids- as soon as they saw the spiral part of the
> tool, and used it once, they understood it. The point is, they had never
> seen one before. Have Yankee-style screwdrivers been gone from the mass
> market that long? I haven't seen them in stores around here in several
> years.
known fact that Archimedes got his idea for his drill from a Yankee
130a. Maybe little truth, but definitely little known. ;)
R
aemeijers
order bits for, if I can ever find them at a decent price. Still shiny,
even- just like the one my father has, that I used as a wee lad. 10-15
years ago, I found a new-in-package one, bits and all, at an old
hardware store that was going under, and I sent it as a gift to my
nephew, who was starting to get into woodworking at the time. He even
got the old family ShopSmith MK V, as we sorted out stuff during one of
the ongoing family moves and relocations. My brother had gone through
it, fixed up the wiring, and cleaned and trued it up. It has to be as
old as I am, and still works, AFAIK. It even saw a decade or so actual
money-making use, with my father's construction company.
--
aem sends...
Vic Smith
wrote:
Nope, never saw one. Never needed one either.
>You don't even know how one works.
>
>Clearly you're commenting on something you don't even understand. :(
>
I know just fine how they work. It's not brain surgery.
Googling every reference to nail spinners I found some fans, 5 or 6.
One guy was a professional trimmer and used it until he moved on to a
gun.
I wouldn't argue with him. He made money with a spinner.
But I asked you before what happened to your spinner when you said you
pine for one. You didn't answer, so I guess you don't even have one.
Mike lost his spinner.
Looks like nobody here has a spinner anymore.
No big deal. A few door casings are easily pre-drilled.
The bright side is I learned that nails can work as drill bits.
Thanks RicodJour!
For kicks I'm going to chuck some in a drill and put some holes in
scrap hardwood when I get back in the garage.
See how that works, since I've snapped some small bits drilling pilot
holes. Had to leave some in and cover with putty.
I'm wondering if the nails don't twist off too, but nobody mentions
that. I''l see for myself.
>Hmmmmmm
>
>
>btw I thought your story was stupid and even close to "funny".
>
Now you're catching on.
Nobody sells my "stories."
And nobody sells nail spinners.
--Vic
Vic Smith
wrote:
They still sell them. You don't see them for the same reason you
don't see many Crescent wrenches. There's better tools.
Last time I had a Yankee I only used it as a drill instead of breaking
out a power drill. Didn't do that well either.
Never drove a screw with it.
But if you have bad wrists or the Yankee works for you, use it.
The plumber I worked for had an 8" Crescent for compression nuts.
I used it on our jobs and it kinda made sense for him, but I've never
used a Crescent otherwise except as a kid on my bicycles, and never
owned one.
--Vic
RicodJour
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:05:20 -0400, aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net>
Vic...? Please contain your youthful exuberance and refrain from
disparaging something you know nothing about.
For decades the Yankee driver was the tool of choice for locksmiths.
Not mom and pop locksmiths, union installing 45 floors (Manhattan,
obviously) of door hardware locksmiths on a tight schedule, and well
after the advent of cordless driver/drills.
I won't presume to educate you on more than one thing at a time, and
explain to you all of the reasons it's been so popular, as I've
already met my quota. ;)
R
Vic Smith
<rico...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Vic...? Please contain your youthful exuberance and refrain from
>disparaging something you know nothing about.
>
>For decades the Yankee driver was the tool of choice for locksmiths.
>Not mom and pop locksmiths, union installing 45 floors (Manhattan,
>obviously) of door hardware locksmiths on a tight schedule, and well
>after the advent of cordless driver/drills.
>
>I won't presume to educate you on more than one thing at a time, and
>explain to you all of the reasons it's been so popular, as I've
>already met my quota. ;)
>
Fine then. I met my quota for pissing off people about tools too.
Check this out.
http://www.garrettwade.com/improved-yankee-style-screwdrivers/p/08C03.01/
I want one, but not quite enough.
--Vic
DerbyDad03
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 23:10:06 -0700 (PDT), DD_BobK <rkaza...@gmail.com>
re: "The bright side is I learned that nails can work as drill bits."
So can wire coat hangers.
They're great for drilling through thick walls, like through the sill
plate, then through the sheathing, siding, etc. as a means to locate
the hole on the exterior.
They work prttey good on cement block also.
If you know where you want to go out through the wall, drill through
from the inside with a sharpened coat hanger to ensure that where you
come out will work on the outside. If it works, enlarge the hole from
both sides. If it doesn't, you've only got a tiny hole in the siding/
block to caulk. No major damage.
The Daring Dufas
> On Oct 1, 8:12 pm, RonB<rnrbro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 1, 5:54 pm, "Mike Dobony"<rad...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I lost my nail spinner and I am installing wood molding. Nightmare!
>>> Lowes doesn't know what I am talking about. Neither does Sutherlands. Not an
>>> item for either Grizzley or Harbor Freight. Even Rockler doesn't have one.
>>> Any ideas? Can't even find it on Amazon or Ebay or web search.
>>
>>> Mike D.
>>
>> http://www.vermontamerican.com/Products/ProductDetail.htm?CID=229
>>
>> But I would be reaching for one of my brad nailers. What is the
>> advantage of one of these?
>
> drill holes in hardwood trim to ensure fit and no splitting.
I use an old carpenters trick of flattening the point of the nail so it
cuts the wood fibers instead of pushing them aside and splitting the wood.
TDD
DerbyDad03
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Are you sure it's a carpenter's trick?
Grandpa was a mason and he taught it to me.
He's no longer around for me to ask where he learned it from, so I'll
keep believing that he invented it. ;-)
Vic Smith
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
>re: "The bright side is I learned that nails can work as drill bits."
>
>So can wire coat hangers.
>
>They're great for drilling through thick walls, like through the sill
>plate, then through the sheathing, siding, etc. as a means to locate
>the hole on the exterior.
>
>They work prttey good on cement block also.
>
>If you know where you want to go out through the wall, drill through
>from the inside with a sharpened coat hanger to ensure that where you
>come out will work on the outside. If it works, enlarge the hole from
>both sides. If it doesn't, you've only got a tiny hole in the siding/
>block to caulk. No major damage.
Neat. Thanks. I'm going to chuck up a piece of coat hanger and give
it a whirl.
--Vic
joevan
before. He left when I was 10 at the age of 64. I be 69 now and wonder
how much longer I can use it and do dips and chin ups at the gym.
aemeijers
(snip)
>
> Neat. Thanks. I'm going to chuck up a piece of coat hanger and give
> it a whirl.
>
> --Vic
Chuckle. In my longhair hippie scum days (many decades ago), that is how
I would rewick candles, or make candles out of odd chunks of wax that
followed me home. Prewax the twine to make it stiff, make a hole with
the coat hanger, and work the new wick in while it was still all slippery.
(I don't think I have even lit a candle in ten+ years, even a utility
candle used as heat source for DIY projects...)
--
aem, waxing nostalgic, sends....
Robert Green
news:Ec2dnbiA159A7A7T...@giganews.com...
Great idea. I try to light candles on my late parent's birthdays as a
remembrance.
--
Bobby G.
RicodJour
>
> I have one that my grandfather used when I was a little boy of 9 and
> before. He left when I was 10 at the age of 64. I be 69 now and wonder
> how much longer I can use it and do dips and chin ups at the gym.
Hey, Joe...? It's probably best if you don't use tools while
exercising. You could put your eye out! ;)
R
Vic Smith
wrote:
>On 10/10/2011 5:28 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
>(snip)
>>
>> Neat. Thanks. I'm going to chuck up a piece of coat hanger and give
>> it a whirl.
>>
>> --Vic
>
>Chuckle. In my longhair hippie scum days (many decades ago), that is how
>I would rewick candles, or make candles out of odd chunks of wax that
>followed me home. Prewax the twine to make it stiff, make a hole with
>the coat hanger, and work the new wick in while it was still all slippery.
>
Another new tip. I made thousands of candles in the few weeks I
worked at Crown candle in Portland, OR.
Hardly remember a thing, except no coat hangers.
>(I don't think I have even lit a candle in ten+ years, even a utility
>candle used as heat source for DIY projects...)
I always have a supply. Good for power outages and romance.
Mostly power outages.
--Vic
aemeijers
candles where they had burned a hole down the middle, or putting a wick
in a chunk of industrial wax (like used for making lost-wax molds, I
guess.) My mother would always get pissed when I melted wax on stove,
even if I used the nastiest old baby double-boiler out of the basement.
Never had the patience for dipping candles, or those infamous
milk-carton candles where you pour wax over ice cubes or other things,
to give an artsy look.
I gave up trying to be creative with candles in college, after I first
saw an artisan making carved candles- 30 or 40 dips in different colors
of wax, and then slice and twist and weave the wax while it was soft.
Way too pretty to burn.
--
aem sends...
DD_BobK
wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:05:20 -0400, aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net>
Crescent (aka adjustable) wrenches exist in the world at same
frequency as Yankee & Yankee style screwdrivers?
Unbelievable.....
Did that plumber tire of listening you spout misinformation & fire
you?
joevan
I just use my muscles. The unit in question is in my basement and
resides there at all times.
tsan...@jsd117.org
> Ok, I lost my nail spinner and I am installing wood molding. Nightmare!
>
> Lowes doesn't know what I am talking about. Neither does Sutherlands. Not an
>
> item for either Grizzley or Harbor Freight. Even Rockler doesn't have one.
>
> Any ideas? Can't even find it on Amazon or Ebay or web search.
>
>
>
> Mike D.
I love my nail spinner too.
2LTim
tsan...@jsd117.org
> Ok, I lost my nail spinner and I am installing wood molding. Nightmare!
>
> Lowes doesn't know what I am talking about. Neither does Sutherlands. Not an
>
> item for either Grizzley or Harbor Freight. Even Rockler doesn't have one.
>
> Any ideas? Can't even find it on Amazon or Ebay or web search.
>
>
>
> Mike D.
http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Vermont-American-16621-Nail-Spinner/111086/Cat/1327
2LTim
DerbyDad03
"This product is currently unavailable."
Oren
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>> http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Vermont-American-16621-Nail-Spinner/111086/Cat/1327
>>
>> 2LTim
>
>Read what it says in red in the upper right.
>
>"This product is currently unavailable."
Stormin Mormon
Instead of a nail spinner, maybe get a salad shooter?
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Bob F
N8N
> On Oct 2, 6:22 am, "Mike Dobony" <rad...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > "DD_BobK" wrote in message
>
> >
>
> > news:ced721f4-c984-4a72...@h34g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >
>
> > On Oct 1, 6:57 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > On Oct 1, 9:40 pm, RonB <rnrbro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > On further thought, I do remember chucking up a finishnailto pre-
> > > > drill holes in hardwood trim to ensure fit and no splitting.
>
> >
>
>
> > > Otherwise I'll break out the appropriatenailgun.
>
> >
>
> > > R
>
> >
>
> > I guess we now know whynailspinners when the way of dodo bird
>
> > cages. :)
>
> >
>
> > btw I pinged Vermont America aboutnailspinnerproduction, I should
>
> > have an answer next week.... will report back.
>
> >
>
> > cheers
>
> > Bob
>
> >
>
>
>
> Reply from customer service at VA
>
> ..........................................
>
> Dear Robert,
>
>
>
> Thank you for writing.
>
> You are correct, our nail spinners are discontinued and are no longer
>
> available .
>
> I am sorry for any inconvenience.
>
>
>
> We value you as a Vermont American tool user & trust that you will use
>
> your Vermont American with confidence.
>
> If you have further questions please write back.
>
> ..........................................
>
>
>
> so..... there you go, seems like nail spinners have joined the swing
>
> brace and the ratchet screwdriver.
>
>
>
> cheers
>
> Bob
I actually have two braces and a "Yankee" screwdriver (the latter with some small drill bits that go with it.) Never used a nail spinner though. Will have to keep an eye out for one at yard sales. In my defense I don't do a whole lot of trim carpentry, is probably why I haven't been exposed to this.
nate
Vic Smith
wrote:
>On Oct 8, 9:40 am, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:34:31 -0700 (PDT), DD_BobK <rkaza...@gmail.com>
>
>I have used the old swing brace drills even though I was born after
>the
>advent of affordable power drills. I used one before I could afford a
>HoleHawg or heavy duty right angle drill kit.
>I haven't used a swing brace is over 25 years
>
>Every tool has its time and its use.
>Just because you cannot see the previous (or current uses) for a nail
>spinner
>doesn't mean "that nail spinner is about the most stupid tool I ever
>heard of".
>
>Your comment is not insulting but it is revealing.
>
Glad you weren't insulted I would never use a nail spinner.
I wonder why it looks like nobody even sells them.
Maybe they'll get restocked.
>Stupid tool might be the correct phrase but the reference seems wrong
>in this case.
>
Here's how stupid works for me.
I imagine myself spinning in a nail, then a 7 year-old son watching
asks "Why don't you use a drill bit to make holes, dad?"
Then I say, "Son, I have this here nail spinner. That's why."
So I die, and a daughter get my tools, and has a garage sale.
The 7 year-old has grown up, and is off fighting a war in the Middle
East.
The daughter sells a box of drill and driver bits for a nickel.
My nail spinner is in that box.
Son comes back from the war a hero, marries, has 3 kids and
a house. But he's a changed man due to being too close to many IED
explosions. Real edgy.
Decides to replace a door casing the dog chewed up.
He keeps bending nails and splitting casing.
Thinking back, he remembers his dad spinning nails, and how much he
liked his nail spinner.
He calls up his sister and says,
"I need dad's nail spinner. Where is it?"
She says, "You know I sold all dad's tools. I gave you 10 dollars for
your half. Just buy a new one."
So he looks and looks, and can't find a nail spinner to buy, not even
on eBay.
He looks on the net and finds an article like this, where he learns to
use a drill bit to pre-drill holes, or maybe he gets a brad gun.
He gets the casing job done, because dad told him to never give up.
But he can't forget his dad's nail spinner and how his sister sold it
like it was nothing at all.
That festers in him so badly he ends up killing her, and getting 20
years in the can.
His nieces and nephews have no mother, and his kids have no dad.
All because of that fucking nail spinner.
That's why nail spinners are stupid and I won't use one.
>Now that you've discovered brad nailers and are clearly an expert,
>shall we cease the manufacture & sale of small hammers, finishing
>nails and nail sets?
>
The brad gun is the expert. I'll keep my hammers and nail sets, since
the gun doesn't set them all.
>FYI the mechanics of "driving" a nail with a nail spinner is
>substantially different than driving a nail with a hammer or shooting
>brads.
>And there a situations were "spinning the nail in" is advantageous.
>Using a cordless drill as substitute of for a nail spinner is an 'ok"
>solution but the drill chuck grips the a finishing nail differently
>than a nail spinner.
You just don't like drill bits.
>kinda wimpy for shelf cleats.
>I would suggest you consider a 16 gage brad nailer or 15 gage finish
>nailer.
>I have access to all three but use the 16 gage the most of the time,
>that is, when I'm not pining for a nail spinner.
>
What happened to your spinner?
It's 4" crown and I popped 2 brads in every stud/joist. 2" brads.
The shelves will be 4" wide and not have to take much weight.
Wainscotting I pulled out of the dining room.
Think I'll use leftover shoe for cleats, and maybe have to buy a
piece. 4 brads per cleat should do fine.
I agree a bigger brad would be better, but when I bought the
compressor with gun I was planning on only doing base and casings.
My wife won the crown battle. She was right - I guess.
Looks good. I don't mind a clean corner at the wall top, but she
always hung wallpaper borders up there before the I did the crown.
She'd change it every 5 years or so.
I'd come home from work after she did that on her day off, and after a
few days went by without me even noticing it, she'd be pissed off.
So I'm done with that.
The crown went up solid. If I ever see sagging/separation I'll pop
bigger brads in.
--Vic
adgil...@gmail.com
> Ok, I lost my nail spinner and I am installing wood molding. Nightmare!
> Lowes doesn't know what I am talking about. Neither does Sutherlands. Not an
> item for either Grizzley or Harbor Freight. Even Rockler doesn't have one.
> Any ideas? Can't even find it on Amazon or Ebay or web search.
>
> Mike D.
srando...@gmail.com
> > Ok, I lost my nail spinner and I am installing wood molding. Nightmare!
> > Lowes doesn't know what I am talking about. Neither does Sutherlands. Not an
> > item for either Grizzley or Harbor Freight. Even Rockler doesn't have one.
> > Any ideas? Can't even find it on Amazon or Ebay or web search.
> >
> > Mike D.
> east side of the big pond?
it fits into a power drill, and has small bearings inside. You slide in the finish nail and press the trigger of the drill. Itspins a finish nail into wood within 1/2 inch of the wood's surface, and the wood will not split on you. very handy and simple.
Wade Garrett
--
Mess with me and you mess with the whole trailer park.
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
>> Ok, I lost my nail spinner and I am installing wood molding. Nightmare!
>> Lowes doesn't know what I am talking about. Neither does Sutherlands. Not an
>> item for either Grizzley or Harbor Freight. Even Rockler doesn't have one.
>> Any ideas? Can't even find it on Amazon or Ebay or web search.
>>
>> Mike D.
>
> I BOUGHT ONEAT HOME DEPOT A FEW YERS AGO BUT CANT FIND ANY MORE. THEY WERE MADE BY VERMONT AMERICAN TOOLS. I HAVE CONTACTED THEM BUT HAVE NOT HEAR BACK YET. GARY
>
David
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Wade Garrett
--
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
- Winston Churchill
Oren
wrote:
with a drywall hatchet to hammer.
Glad those days are over.
mfessia
Mike, I have one. I’ll probably never use it again. If you want it let me
know. Mark
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