Cap off unused outdoor power?

[bob]

I had my old hot tub removed.

Now there is an unused 240v power coming out of the garage wall in a
conduit, down a few feet to the ground, then run along the edge of the house
about 15 feet, and end with a cable sticking out the conduit, temporarily
wrapped with electrical tapes.

The power is turned off at the breaker panel, of course.

What is the least amount of work to make this code compliant? Can I cut off
the cable flush with the conduit exit, and then put a conduit cap on it? Do
I have to put something at the end of the cut cables to cover the exposed
copper wires?

[Stormin Mormon]

I'd suggest to call the building department, where you live. Do what they
say, not follow the advice of internet writers.

On a practical level, I'd disconnect that wire from the double breaker. That
way, it won't power the wire if someone turns on the breaker.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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[DerbyDad03]

Is this a temporary termination or 100% permanent?

You could...

1 - Remove the cable from the panel
2 - Cut it off high above the panel, perhaps enclosing the cutoff end
in a junction box in case you ever want to use the cable again.
3 - Label it for future reference
4 - Add a junction box at the conduit end in case you ever want to use
the cable again or if there is room, push it back into the conduit and
cap it.
5 - Label it for future reference

Bottom line is that you should remove the cable from the panel box.

[Pete C.]

Put a weather rated electrical box with a blank cover on the end of the
conduit, properly secured to the house. Then the circuit is safe and
ready for any future use. Should cost <$10 in materials.

[DerbyDad03]

On Jul 16, 12:27 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

I've heard of people suggesting wireing nutting the hot to the neutral
at teh far end so that the breaker will trip if it's ever turned on.
I've even heard that Mike Holmes suggested this (not verified).

I think it's a pretty dumb suggestion.

Pulling the cable from the panel and cutting it up high seems like the
best idea.

[tra...@optonline.net]

On Jul 16, 12:27 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

It would depend partly on what the future holds. If
there is no future value in leaving the wiring in place,
and you want to get rid of it all together, then I would:

disconnect it at the breaker

remove the breaker

pull the cable from the panel

cut off the panel end of the cable back to
a reasonable/convenient point

outside, remove the conduit, cut back
the wiring to where it enters the house or
similar convenient point, perhaps in the
basement, etc if possible.

Fill the holes as needed.

On the other hand, if I thought it could be of
future use for another hot tub, etc, then I'd
just put a weatherproof box on the end,
put wire nuts on the current carrying conductors
and if the box is metal, connect the ground.
Turn the breaker off and mark it.

[Stormin Mormon]

I'm in favor of being very safe, and also leaving the wire for future use.
Combine this, with disconnect and label the end at the panel box, and I
think we've got a winner.

Christopher A. Young
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[Stormin Mormon]

I got a furnace repair call, one time. The breaker tripped, so the woman
(educated, wife of an attorney) reset the breaker. It tripped again, so she
reset it again. She reset it some large number of times, until the breaker
stayed on.

The original breaker trip was from a furnace blower fan motor that was
probably $75. The motor had shorted to ground. A fairly simple repair. After
she reset many times, she vaporized the contacts, on the relay on the $200
prioprietary Carrier Bryant circuit board.

I think that Holmes solution is inviting disaster.

Instead of "cut it high", I'd coil it, label it, and tuck it into the cellar
ceiling. So it can be reused.

Christopher A. Young
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[Stormin Mormon]

How do you cover the hole, where the breaker was?

Much better to label it "spare" and leave the breaker in.

Christopher A. Young
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disconnect it at the breaker

remove the breaker

[DerbyDad03]

On Jul 16, 12:56 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> How do you cover the hole, where the breaker was?
>
> Much better to label it "spare" and leave the breaker in.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>  www.lds.org
> .
>

> <trad...@optonline.net> wrote in message

>
> news:9f71bbfc-53b1-4a14...@y12g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> disconnect it at the breaker
>
> remove the breaker
>
> Fill the holes as needed.

re: "How do you cover the hole, where the breaker was?"

With breaker panel blanks. They're sold by "panel manufacturer" but
you don't have to buy them from the manufacturer, if you know what I
mean.

[DerbyDad03]

On Jul 16, 12:51 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm in favor of being very safe, and also leaving the wire for future  use.
> Combine this, with disconnect and label the end at the panel box, and I
> think we've got a winner.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>  www.lds.org
> .
>

> "Pete C." <aux3.DO...@snet.net> wrote in message

>
> news:500441cf$0$14629$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com...
>
> Put a weather rated electrical box with a blank cover on the end of the
> conduit, properly secured to the house. Then the circuit is safe and
> ready for any future use. Should cost <$10 in materials.

re: "Combine this, with disconnect and label the end at the panel box,

and I think we've got a winner."

umm...I said that earlier.

I guess we already had a winner. ;-)

[DA]

responding to
http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/cap-off-unused-outdoor-power-704897-.htm
DA wrote:

bob wrote:
> I had my old hot tub removed.
> Now there is an unused 240v power coming out of the garage wall in a
> conduit, down a few feet to the ground, then run along the edge of the
> house about 15 feet, and end with a cable sticking out the conduit,

Given the amount of effort and money it took to install it, f it was
compliant in the first place and not on the way of any new construction
(deck, patio and such), I would put an outdoor outlet box ontop of that
conduit, wirenut each wire and install a blank outlet cover (also outdoor
rated) to block any access. Definitely tag the disconnected 2-pole breaker
at the panel end. You never know if you need to sell the place in the
future and hot tubs are back in vogue. May be useful to throw in a "free
hot tub hookup" one day ...

If you are willing to fuss with converting it to 120V, there may be some
use for an actual working outdoor outlet back there for an electrical
mower, trimmer, edger and whatever else they may come up with that plugs
in.

Oh, and another thing: let's say you buy a Nissan LEAF or another electric
car at some point in the future (who knows?) - you've already got a 240V
service passing through the garage. Depending on how it was pulled to get
there, it may be easier to just reroute this cable to your brand spanking
new 240V rapid charing station :)

-------------------------------------
/\_/\
((@v@)) NIGHT
():::() OWL
VV-VV

[RBM]

If you cut the cable off at the conduit, you're pretty much rendering
the feeder useless, so you may as well disconnect it at the panel and
rip the whole thing out.
If you want to keep it useable for the future, and legal and safe for
the present, the easiest option is to terminate the conduit in a 3R
rain-tight enclosure, leaving the cable intact within the box, with the
ends insulated.

[DerbyDad03]

What are your suggestions for the panel end?

Would you leave it attached to the breaker or pulled out of the box,
coiled and labeled?

The assumption is that, at least at this point, you have no idea when,
or even if, you'll ever use it again.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Pull the breaker or remove the wires from the breaker - or better
yet, both.

[DerbyDad03]

I could be wrong, but I'm gonna guess that just pulling the breaker
and leaving the wires dangling in the panel isn't code compliant.

At least it doesn't sound like it would be.

[Arthur Shapiro]

If the wiring is there anyway, wouldn't it make sense to put in an
outdoor-rated box and a 240v outlet for the few bucks it would cost?

There are certainly power tools that are considered to be "better" in their
240v. models - table saws, air compressors, etc., so why not have a convenient
way to use them if such units are purchased in the future?

Art

[RBM]

His question was, what was easiest and legal. Disconnecting the
conductors in the panel is more work. Insulating the conductors
certainly makes them safe, and he can always throw a label inside the
box with them.
It may be that the OP doesn't feel comfortable to work inside the panel

[RBM]

There are just too many possibilities for that to be useful. If this is
a typical full sized hot tub, the feeder is going to be 50 amp 4 wire.

[RBM]

You would insulate them so they can't come in contact with anything
live, but you'd still need to address the conduit and cable outside,
even though it's dead.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

It is if they are wire-nutted or taped.

[fred.fl...@thecave.com]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:13:28 -0700, "bob" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Cutting off the wires will make them worthless, and they are not cheap
these days. If you never plan to use them again, remove the wires and
conduit entirely. If there is a chance of needing them again (another
hottub), remove the breaker, tape the wire ends on BOTH ends of the
wires. Better yet, pull the wires out of the conduit and save the wire.
Leave conduit intact and cap the end. Unless the conduit has many
bends, it's not that hard to put the wires back at a later time.

[DerbyDad03]

...

> Unless the conduit has many
> bends, it's not that hard to put the wires back at a later time.

...or if the conduit is undersized for the number/size of the
conductors.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Hard enough that I'd avoid it if possible.

[Robert Neville]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

> Hard enough that I'd avoid it if possible.

Not if you tied a pull cord to the cable before pulling the cable.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:52:21 -0600, Robert Neville <do...@bother.com>
wrote:

>cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>> Hard enough that I'd avoid it if possible.
>
>Not if you tied a pull cord to the cable before pulling the cable.

The cord is simple USUALLY the cable pulls easy enough, but an old
dirty dry conduit can provide some sport.

[bob haller]

The easiest fix is terminating the outdoor end in a waterproof box, wire nut the ends.

in the panel disconnect the red and black wires to the breaker, wire nut the ends and mark the breaker spare. leave the wire nutted wires in the cabinet...

this is the least work and leaves the cable available for future use....

[gregz]

"bob" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I had my old hot tub removed.
>
> Now there is an unused 240v power coming out of the garage wall in a
> conduit, down a few feet to the ground, then run along the edge of the
> house about 15 feet, and end with a cable sticking out the conduit,
> temporarily wrapped with electrical tapes.
>
> The power is turned off at the breaker panel, of course.
>
> What is the least amount of work to make this code compliant? Can I cut
> off the cable flush with the conduit exit, and then put a conduit cap on
> it? Do I have to put something at the end of the cut cables to cover the
> exposed copper wires?

Feed it backwards with generator back to the box via switchover.

Greg

[Bruce]

replying to bob, Bruce wrote:
How should I cap off to remove one of the wires in conduit not be used coming
out from my hot tubs junction box that is separate from the outside electrical
panel?


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[trader_4]

Without seeing it and/or knowing more, impossible to answer. Capping
off and removing a wire from a conduit are two different things.
If it's an unused wire coming into a junction box, putting an appropriate
size wire nut on it or electrical tape would cap it off.

[Bruce]

replying to trader_4, Bruce wrote:
It is a 220 conduit filled wire that was for the seat bubbles but the device
eroded over time. So there were the 2 wires sticking out, smoking or sparking
at times. I taped the wires off to try to make sure that would slow things
down and be safer.. I'm not sure what a wire nut is so if you can tell me that
would help. I am in the process of getting the tub going again and want it
to be safe. Please let me know. Thanks

[DerbyDad03]

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 1:14:09 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> replying to trader_4, Bruce wrote:
> It is a 220 conduit filled wire that was for the seat bubbles but the device
> eroded over time. So there were the 2 wires sticking out, smoking or sparking
> at times. I taped the wires off to try to make sure that would slow things
> down and be safer.. I'm not sure what a wire nut is so if you can tell me that
> would help. I am in the process of getting the tub going again and want it
> to be safe. Please let me know. Thanks
>

Google is a useful utility.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en_US&q=wire%20nut

I'm all for learning how to DIY, but if you've got sparking and smoking wires near water and don't
know what a wire nut is, this is not the best project to hone your electrical skills on.

I strongly suggest calling an electrician before you hurt yourself or a loved one.

[trader_4]

I strongly suspect a troll. Sparking and smoking 240V wires sticking out
by a spa where a blower was disconnected?

[Bruce]

replying to DerbyDad03, Bruce wrote:
Thanks., I do know what a wire nut is but didn't know that's what they were
called. Is using the wire nuts and electrical tape enough to safely operate
the hot tub? No water back in it yet.

[Stormin' Norman]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:44:02 GMT, Bruce
<caedfaa9ed1216d60ef...@example.com> wrote:

>replying to DerbyDad03, Bruce wrote:
>Thanks., I do know what a wire nut is but didn't know that's what they were
>called. Is using the wire nuts and electrical tape enough to safely operate
>the hot tub? No water back in it yet.

Bruce,

Something about what you have written just does not sound right.

Exactly where is the wire you wish to cap off? Is it the wire that
actually connected to the bubbler pump?

Can you post some pictures of what you are dealing with?

[trader_4]

How can you possibly expect anyone here to answer that question?
We have no way of knowing what you have there, no pic, nothing.
Nor do we know how it was installed or what's right or wrong.
I'm with Derby, get an electrician before you kill someone.
IDK how you could have wires sticking out, smoking, sparking at
a spa to begin with.

[Bruce]

replying to trader_4, Bruce wrote:

No troll I think. 80's era spa and the seat blower eroded from the elements.

[trader_4]

Again, impossible to answer for all the reasons previously cited. There
is a lot more to safely wiring a spa than just capping off wires that were
sparking and smoking. Having just one thing wrong could kill someone.
And no offense, but if you didn't know what a wire nut was, as Derbydad
said, this isn't the project to be learning on.

[Bruce]

replying to trader_4, Bruce wrote:

Here u go trader.
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/9x

[Bruce]

replying to Stormin' Norman, Bruce wrote:
Here u go STNRNM? I hope I'm posting right.
Thanks
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/9y

[Stormin' Norman]

Alright, I looked at the picture. Which wires to you want to
disconnect? The power being supplied to the small pump marked
"Hayward"?

[trader_4]

I wasn't sure what I was looking at first, but I think I figured
it out. The pic, it looked at first like the green bonding wire
came out of the flex conduit, but I think that's just the way
the pic was taken and the bonding wire is separate.

So what you want to cap off is the black tape ends sticking
out of the flex metal conduit, I think. The solution would be to
disconnect it at the box end, cover the hole with a blank.
How did you wind up with just short stub wires sticking out?

But then I'm wondering what that flex metal conduit is doing in
a wet location to begin with. It's not code today,
IDK the history of whether it was code in the past or not.

One thing for sure, I'd make sure there is a GFCI breaker on
that whole rig.

[Bruce]

replying to trader_4, Bruce wrote:

Thanks T4. Know what wire nuts are called wire caps. Not learning.
Trying to get advice for a better outcome.

[Tekkie®]

Bruce posted for all of us...

I wasn't aware one needed electricity to make bubbles come out of the seat.

--
Tekkie

[trader_4]

That's how you get bubbles in the spas I've seen. They have an air blower.

[Tekkie®]

trader_4 posted for all of us...

+1000 on that!

--
Tekkie

[Stormin' Norman]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

Think about it for a moment.......

[Stormin' Norman]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:14:04 GMT, Bruce
<caedfaa9ed1216d60ef...@example.com> wrote:

>replying to bob, Bruce wrote:
>How should I cap off to remove one of the wires in conduit not be used coming
>out from my hot tubs junction box that is separate from the outside electrical
>panel?

Bruce,

Have your questions been answered about this? If not, take a look at
my last reply to you and give me some details.

[trader_4]

I have, if you have a point, why not just make it, instead of wasting space?

[Stormin' Norman]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 11:33:09 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

You really have a stick up your ass son.

I will let you dwell on it for a little while, eventually you might
realize he was trying to make a joke.

[trader_4]

Yeah, but at least I can look at the clear pics he posted, make sense
of it and answer his question. He showed exactly what he described,
yet you're here still unable to answer it. Now go play in the street.

[Stormin' Norman]

>>
>> You really have a stick up your ass son.
>>
>> I will let you dwell on it for a little while, eventually you might
>> realize he was trying to make a joke.
>
>Yeah, but at least I can look at the clear pics he posted, make sense
>of it and answer his question. He showed exactly what he described,
>yet you're here still unable to answer it. Now go play in the street.

Trader, I have no doubt you are far more intelligent and superior to
me in every way, in fact, I freely admit such.

It is not at all surprising that you would not get a simple fart joke,
such things are far beneath your towering intellect.......

[Stormin' Norman]

Trader, I was wondering, have you always been this overly emotional,
bordering on histrionic, or does it only happen when you run short of
your meds?

[Tekkie®]

trader_4 posted for all of us...

flatulence

--
Tekkie

[Stormin' Norman]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:55:21 -0400, Tekkie® <Tek...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>> > >That's how you get bubbles in the spas I've seen. They have an air blower.
>> >
>> > Think about it for a moment.......
>>
>> I have, if you have a point, why not just make it, instead of wasting space?
>
>flatulence

That is "beneath" Trader........ groan........

[trader_4]

Like I said, at least I can look at the clear pics the guy posted
and answer his AHR question. As for histrionics, seems that's the pot
calling the kettle black, with all your histrionics over Trump.
You can even bring up Nixon (GOP negatively) and Truman ( Democrat, positively),
but heh, no one better mention Hillary, that's simply not allowed.

ROFL!

[Stormin' Norman]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

It really bothers you when someone points out you have introduced red
herrings and opened up rabbit holes. You should work on that,
inability to accept criticism is one of your major character flaws.

You also have a decided persecution complex, which is funny because
you attack everyone.

[trader_4]

Your character flaw is that you're a one-sided hypocrite party hack who
constantly bitches about Trump and the GOP, but can never find a flaw with a
Democrat and who howls like mad when anyone dares bring up Hillary
or OBama and what they've done.

[Stormin' Norman]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

Thanks for sharing.

Next time you bring up a democrat who is relevant, you know, still in
office or who is doing something that is currently impacting the
nation in a negative way, I will agree with you.

However, all I have read from you about the left is discussion of
people who are nothing but historical footnotes. People who no longer
matter and who are not in a position to influence policy. In other
words, you go off on irrelevant tangents and unfounded conspiracy
theories about people and subjects that are not relevant to the
discussion at hand.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:55:09 +0100, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 6:48:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:

>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 1:14:09 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> > replying to trader_4, Bruce wrote:
>> > It is a 220 conduit filled wire that was for the seat bubbles but the device
>> > eroded over time. So there were the 2 wires sticking out, smoking or sparking
>> > at times. I taped the wires off to try to make sure that would slow things
>> > down and be safer.. I'm not sure what a wire nut is so if you can tell me that
>> > would help. I am in the process of getting the tub going again and want it
>> > to be safe. Please let me know. Thanks
>> >
>>

>> Google is a useful utility.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en_US&q=wire%20nut
>>
>> I'm all for learning how to DIY, but if you've got sparking and smoking wires near water and don't
>> know what a wire nut is, this is not the best project to hone your electrical skills on.
>>
>> I strongly suggest calling an electrician before you hurt yourself or a loved one.
>
> I strongly suspect a troll. Sparking and smoking 240V wires sticking out
> by a spa where a blower was disconnected?

Awww is it scaring you?

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A male voice yells over to the female side: "I got 12 inches over here you would love to have."
The female response was: "Well, spit it out it isn't yours."

[trader_4]

Yet you just brought up Nixon and Truman, but that's A-OK.
And I say the trumpets have a legitimate point, that it's fair
to look at how other people have been treated, how they have
gotten a pass when it comes to justice. Hillary committed what
is clearly a felony, yet she got a pass. And tell us that it's
irrelevant that the Clinton Foundation took $130 mil in pledges
from the Canadians who needed Hillary's approval to sell 30% of
the uranium capacity of the USA to RUSSIA. You whine about Trump
and Russia, well what the Clintons did, so far, is WORSE.
Are you going to tell us that those Canadians suddenly felt
philanthropic and the Clintons were the only charity they could find?
ROFL!

If a local town council member took $200K to the family "charity"
from a developer while having to sit in judgment of an application
for a new mall, they'd be investigated and jailed. And the Clintons
didn't stop there, Bill took $700K from the Russians for a speech
too. If Trump's son took a cheeseburger, why then, OMG you'd
be here wailing away. That's because you're a partisan hack.