Which paint will work best, last longest, for outdoor application?

[Robert Macy]

Keep getting contradictory information, so thought would come here to
the experts..

Need to paint exterior slightly rough stucco in Arizona sun, wind, and
rain blast!

Choices are, in order of preference for access to their stores:
1. Walmart
2. Home Depot
3. Lowes

which exterior paint should I get? as specific as possible.

[George]

I would disregard how easy it is to get to a particular bigbox store to
buy paint since likely you aren't doing it frequently and go for
quality. Are there any real paint stores (such as say a Sherwin
Williams) in your area?

[Smarty]

Consumer Reports has been reliably comparing paints for many years, and
their comparisons and detailed selection information can be accessed
both on line and through their magazine. Most libraries also have a
current subscription as well as back issues.

You might want to take a look at the annual buying guide also.

Any paints I have selected with their guidance have been outstanding in
terms of durability and performance in the 40+ years I have been a
subscriber and home owner.

As a retired engineer and do-it-yourself person, I am very particular
about what materials I chose, and I would say this is the very best
source for good comparisons, versus anecdotes offered by users of a
specific paint.

Smarty

[Oren]

BEHR PREMIUM� Elastomeric Masonry, Stucco & Brick Paint

An exterior, flexible high-build coating designed to expand and
contract, bridging hairline cracks in vertical masonry surfaces. This
extremely durable, mildew and dirt resistant waterproofing finish has
superior elasticity and elongation properties, stretching up to 600%
to resist cracking. It passes Federal Specification TT-C-555b sec.
3.3.3, withstanding 98 mph wind-driven rain. The 100% acrylic latex
formula provides a breathable film, releasing moisture that builds in
walls. This low sheen paint has excellent color retention and is
available in 90 custom tinted colors and computerized color matching.

<http://reviews.behr.com/6794/1015009200010-E/reviews.htm>

I use it on my stucco and love it. HD carries it.

[Robert Macy]

On Sep 25, 8:10 am, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 06:43:00 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
>

Thank you! That is exactly the answer I needed.

600% stretch WOW! 98mph wind driven rain WOW!

[Oren]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 08:27:17 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >which exterior paint should I get? as specific as possible.
>>

>> BEHR PREMIUMŽ Elastomeric Masonry, Stucco & Brick Paint

>>
>> An exterior, flexible high-build coating designed to expand and
>> contract, bridging hairline cracks in vertical masonry surfaces. This
>> extremely durable, mildew and dirt resistant waterproofing finish has
>> superior elasticity and elongation properties, stretching up to 600%
>> to resist cracking. It passes Federal Specification TT-C-555b sec.
>> 3.3.3, withstanding 98 mph wind-driven rain. The 100% acrylic latex
>> formula provides a breathable film, releasing moisture that builds in
>> walls. This low sheen paint has excellent color retention and is
>> available in 90 custom tinted colors and computerized color matching.
>>
>> <http://reviews.behr.com/6794/1015009200010-E/reviews.htm>
>>
>> I use it on my stucco and love it. HD carries it.
>
>Thank you! That is exactly the answer I needed.
>
>600% stretch WOW! 98mph wind driven rain WOW!

It works great in the desert heat, dust storms, etc. How do plan to
apply this paint? Roller, sprayer??

[Evan]

Paint is 99% prep work and 1% picking the materials...

Even the best most expensive paint can fail soon after
it is applied if the area to be painted is not properly
prepared...

[Norminn]

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>>
>> An exterior, flexible high-build coating designed to expand and
>> contract, bridging hairline cracks in vertical masonry surfaces. This
>> extremely durable, mildew and dirt resistant waterproofing finish has
>> superior elasticity and elongation properties, stretching up to 600%
>> to resist cracking. It passes Federal Specification TT-C-555b sec.
>> 3.3.3, withstanding 98 mph wind-driven rain. The 100% acrylic latex
>> formula provides a breathable film, releasing moisture that builds in
>> walls. This low sheen paint has excellent color retention and is
>> available in 90 custom tinted colors and computerized color matching.
>>
>> <http://reviews.behr.com/6794/1015009200010-E/reviews.htm>
>>
>> I use it on my stucco and love it. HD carries it.
>
> Thank you! That is exactly the answer I needed.
>
> 600% stretch WOW! 98mph wind driven rain WOW!
>

Wow? 600%? If you have a 1/32" crack in the stucco, and it opens to
3/16", you are happy that it doesn't show because the paint stretches?

How often do you have 98mph wind driven rain in AZ? Or 50?

[Oren]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:09:20 -0700 (PDT), Evan
<evan.ne...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> > <http://reviews.behr.com/6794/1015009200010-E/reviews.htm>
>>
>> > I use it on my stucco and love it. HD carries it.
>>
>> Thank you! That is exactly the answer I needed.
>>
>> 600% stretch WOW!  98mph wind driven rain  WOW!
>
>Paint is 99% prep work and 1% picking the materials...
>
>Even the best most expensive paint can fail soon after
>it is applied if the area to be painted is not properly
>prepared...

I use a power washer, removing sand and dirt caught in my medium
knock-down stucco - wash from top down. Allow to dry a few days and
paint. In the desert I paint when the temps are cool, as on the label.

[Oren]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:20:31 -0400, Norminn <nor...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Wow? 600%? If you have a 1/32" crack in the stucco, and it opens to
>3/16", you are happy that it doesn't show because the paint stretches?
>

Fix the 3/16" crack before he paints. Easier when smaller. This would
require a close inspection of the stucco.

>How often do you have 98mph wind driven rain in AZ? Or 50?

Nevada desert gets hurricane force winds, CAT 1! We just call them
wind storms.

Arizona: (Pic)

<http://www.horizontalimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/arizona-dust-storm-2011.jpg>

[nestork]

Robert:

I would agree with the previous recommendation to buy any major
company's top-of-the-line paint rather than a box store house brand.
That's because you only paint the exterior of your house once every 15
to 20 years or so, and so it makes sense to pay more for better paint to
make your work last as long as possible.

PS: You don't need to know the rest...

You see, it all revolves around the fact that companies that make paint,
don't actually make the ingredients (like the binder resins, pigments
and additives) that you find in their paints. They buy them from
chemical companies that specialize in makeing those things. For
example, most people have never heard of a company called Rohm & Haas,
but until 2009, they were the largest manufacturer of the acrylic resins
used to make latex paints, acrylic floor finishes, grout and masonary
sealers and nail polish for the ladies in North America. In 2009, Rohm
& Haas got bought out by Dow Chemical, but is being operated by Dow as a
separate company.

So, chemical companies like Rohm & Haas, the S. C. Johnson Wax company
and DuPont (with it's TiPure white pigments) are continuously sending
their sales representatives around to take the managers of each paint
companies out to lunch to explain the benefits of using their latest and
greatest binder resin, or defoaming agent or red pigment or whatever.
And, of course, each of those newest products comes with a new price,
too. Those paint companies are not going to buy those new offerings
unless they're convinced that the improvement in performance justifies
the incremental cost.

Consequently, when you buy any paint company's top-of-the-line paint,
what you're getting is the "best" paint that company can put together at
a justifiable cost from all the different ingredients being offered to
them.


With house brand paints, things work different. When a hardware store
chain like Lowe's or Menard's decides to sell their own house brand
paint, they'll do their own studies and surveys to find out what their
customer base thinks "good paint" should cost. Then they'll approach
several paint companies and ask them for a quote to provide 15,000
gallons per month (say) of paint costing between $17 (for flat) and $23
(for gloss) (say) per gallon so that their stores can sell that paint
for $26 to $32 per gallon (say).

Now, since the selling price of the paint has already been established,
when the paint companies start working out their quotes, they find out
that by buying the resins, additives and pigments in large volumes like
these, they can get them at a lower cost, and so they can use better,
costlier ingredients and still meet that $17 to $23 cost per gallon
specified by the retailer.


So, with house brand paints, because the selling price has already been
established in advance, the volume discount the hardware store chain
would normally receive in the form of a lower price ends up going to the
consumer in the form of better quality resins, additives and pigments.
So you can generally get "better" paint for a "good" price when buying a
house brand paint.

But, to buy the "best" paint, you need to buy any company's
top-of-the-line paint from a paint store.




--
nestork

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:27:39 +0000, nestork <nestork...@diybanter.com>
wrote:

>
>Robert:
>
>I would agree with the previous recommendation to buy any major
>company's top-of-the-line paint rather than a box store house brand.
>That's because you only paint the exterior of your house once every 15
>to 20 years or so, and so it makes sense to pay more for better paint to
>make your work last as long as possible.

Good paint also makes the job much easier. Unless your time (and aggravation)
is completely worthless, good paint is cheap.

<story snipped>

>But, to buy the "best" paint, you need to buy any company's
>top-of-the-line paint from a paint store.

Doing otherwise is foolish.

[nestork]

Robert:

Yes, you CAN use an elastomeric coating on the exterior of your house,
and if nothing were to damage that coating, it'd last a very long time.


But, that's where the problem is. In a state like Arizona, I expect
that exterior house paints chaulk due to the intense sunlight. And, I'd
be concerned that your elastomeric coating that's 5 times as thick as a
regular exterior latex would chaulk just as quickly as a regular
exterior latex, thereby requiring you to repaint just as often as if
you'd used a regular exterior latex.

So, yes, the coating is 5 times as thick, and so it theoretically should
last 5 times as long, but if it's surface chaulks, then you're not
benefitting from that film thickness cuz you gotta repaint anyhow.

Elastomeric coatings are best suited for masonary or stucco walls with
ACTIVE cracks that would otherwise let rain water or snow melt in
through those cracks, thereby causing damage to the masonary or stucco
if/when that rain or melt water freezes. That is, the person whose
using an elastomeric coating isn't using it cuz it's greater film
thickness means it theoretically should last longer. They're using it
to prevent water from getting into a masonary wall and causing
freeze/thaw damage.

Every paint store sells elastomeric coatings. I'd talk to some of the
paint store managers in your area and find out what their customer's
experiences have been using elastomeric coatings instead of exterior
latex paints.

PS: You don't need to know the rest...

That write up for Behr elastomeric coating said:

> The 100% acrylic latex formula provides a breathable film, releasing
> moisture that builds in walls.

In fact, every latex paint will do that, but some do it better than
others. If you want to know how a paint film can keep rain water from
penetrating through the paint from the outside, but yet still allow
moisture to evaporate through it from the inside, ask and I'll explain
it.




--
nestork

[gregz]

I bought the non elastomeric paint. There is some movement in places, but
elastomeric is not going to work on the blocks. Behr wall and stucco. I
also bought Behr porch and floor. $28 gallon. Walmart quit selling the $15
version.

It might get 70 mph winds once a tear in the desert. Sandblasting is a real
problem. You can wipe out windshields quickly. My old datsun had built up a
lot of little specs. Sand get into everything. Build up little piles of
sand in leaky windows.

Greg

[Norminn]

I was trying to make a point that the features the OP was all
enthusiastic about would probably not matter in the desert. If you need
600% stretch, I'd worry about what is giving that much. We had lots of
fine cracks in the CB/stucco on our Florida condo....contractor used a
brushable caulk and all was well (10 years later, no more cracks). We
had one bid for elastomeric paint, two coats, for $27K. The contractor
we hired, who did lots of commercial work, did one coat for just under
$7K. Prep took a week :o)

Paint stores tend to carry what is useful in their area, and I'd get
some advice there. Does gloss matter, for abrasion or reflectivity?

[Norminn]

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>
> In fact, every latex paint will do that, but some do it better than
> others. If you want to know how a paint film can keep rain water from
> penetrating through the paint from the outside, but yet still allow
> moisture to evaporate through it from the inside, ask and I'll explain
> it.
>
>
>
>

It was discovered, after Hurricane ?Charlie, that Florida homes with
most damage from wind-blown rain were the newest ones. Older homes had
more coats of paint. A few coats of paint kept rain from penetrating
cb/stucco, which is almost the universal building material in Florida.

[Robert Macy]

On Sep 25, 9:34 am, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 08:27:17 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
>
>
>
>
>
> <robert.a.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >which exterior paint should I get? as specific as possible.
>

> >> BEHR PREMIUM® Elastomeric Masonry, Stucco & Brick Paint

>
> >> An exterior, flexible high-build coating designed to expand and
> >> contract, bridging hairline cracks in vertical masonry surfaces. This
> >> extremely durable, mildew and dirt resistant waterproofing finish has
> >> superior elasticity and elongation properties, stretching up to 600%
> >> to resist cracking. It passes Federal Specification TT-C-555b sec.
> >> 3.3.3, withstanding 98 mph wind-driven rain. The 100% acrylic latex
> >> formula provides a breathable film, releasing moisture that builds in
> >> walls. This low sheen paint has excellent color retention and is
> >> available in 90 custom tinted colors and computerized color matching.
>
> >> <http://reviews.behr.com/6794/1015009200010-E/reviews.htm>
>
> >> I use it on my stucco and love it. HD carries it.
>
> >Thank you! That is exactly the answer I needed.
>
> >600% stretch WOW!  98mph wind driven rain  WOW!
>
> It works great in the desert heat, dust storms, etc. How do plan to
> apply this paint? Roller, sprayer??

Single floor building with 10 ft interior, so easy to do In sections,
like corner to corner, use a roller and load up that stucco wall
surface.

I have a super expensive airless sprayer in storage, never liked
having to thin paint and never liked the orange peel finish. Never
mind the waste during cleanup.

[Robert Macy]

count on it about once a year

[Norminn]

98mph with rain?

[Oren]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How do plan to
>> apply this paint? Roller, sprayer??
>
>Single floor building with 10 ft interior, so easy to do In sections,
>like corner to corner, use a roller and load up that stucco wall
>surface.
>

I've always seen is sprayed in my area. Faster and uses less paint.
Being your stucco is smooth, a roller should work swell. I'd pick a
long nap roller cover, say, 1/2 -3/4 inch.

>I have a super expensive airless sprayer in storage, never liked
>having to thin paint and never liked the orange peel finish. Never
>mind the waste during cleanup.

I've sprayed elostomeric and never thinned it. You do have to mix and
strain it well. I use mesh bags for straining. It gets all the goobers
out and reduces sprayer tip clogging.

BTW. I pulled the metal cover box from the wall, took it to the store
to match colors. The cover over the cable company access for cable
connections. Perfect match.

[nestork]

Norminn;2933904 Wrote:
> clipped-

>
> In fact, every latex paint will do that, but some do it better than
> others. If you want to know how a paint film can keep rain water from
> penetrating through the paint from the outside, but yet still allow
> moisture to evaporate through it from the inside, ask and I'll explain
> it.
>
>
>

> -

> It was discovered, after Hurricane ?Charlie, that Florida homes with
> most damage from wind-blown rain were the newest ones. Older homes had
>
> more coats of paint. A few coats of paint kept rain from penetrating
> cb/stucco, which is almost the universal building material in Florida.

Norminn:

That would make sense at first glance, but wouldn't it also mean
that more coats of paint would also make it more difficult for moisture
to evaporate through the paint film to the outdoors to keep the interior
of the wall dry? That is, why doesn't more coats of paint also serve to
retain moisture already inside wet walls?

This is fun science, and so I'll explain it tonight once others in here
have a chance to throw in their ideas and explanations. Besides,
exercising your brain to figure out how things work is good for mental
health. It keeps your head younger for longer.

PS: Thanks for taking the time to read my post.




--
nestork

[gregz]

Any stucco gets moldy here, unless it's on the sunny side. Pittsburgh. Too
much dampness. What's up with Florida.

Greg

[Robert Macy]

No, 50mph with rain

[Robert Macy]

On Sep 26, 11:47 am, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
>

Thanks for the opportunity to mention Home Depot's paint dept: I had
left approx 2.5 gal of the interior paint by Dunne Edwards. Been using
that and fixing all the things not quite right inside the home. Took
the stir stick and a board removed into Home depot. The guy grabbed
the paint stirring stick, matched it, handed me a gallon of Glidden
something, then took a small bit on his fingers and 'painted' the
stick in the middle. I still can't find where the spot is, bright sun,
dim light, incandescent, doesn't matter THAT stuff matched! Amazing
for a different brand to be able to do that. I was planning on using
it only on closet interiors, or garage where match is not critical,
but this was amazing!

[pacificl...@gmail.com]

I applied Elastomeric on my stucco home about 12 years ago, so far it's held up very good and has prevented any further cracks that were present prior. It has showed some wear but minimal and can probably last another 5 years or so but we are ready to repaint. The initial cost was high but like any product you get what you paid for, we bought ours at Home Depot.
Preparation is the key, make sure that it is painted correctly leaving no misses anywhere on the walls, make sure that they are completely clean and free of any mildew before applying.

[ItsJoanNotJoann]

On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 9:23:33 AM UTC-5, pacificl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 at 6:43:00 AM UTC-7, Robert Macy wrote:
> >
> > Need to paint exterior slightly rough stucco in Arizona sun, wind, and
> > rain blast!
> >

> > which exterior paint should I get? as specific as possible.
>
> I applied Elastomeric on my stucco home about 12 years ago, so far it's held up very good and has prevented any further cracks that were present prior.
>
>

I sure hope the original poster hasn't been waiting nearly
FOUR YEARS for your reply since he first asked his question
in SEPTEMBER 2012.

[Don Y]

Does the validity/value of his reply change because the question is old?
*We* are actually planning on painting in the fall (I've spent much of the
last week attending to patching the stucco, etc.) so his reply has value
to *me*...

[ItsJoanNotJoann]

On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
>
> *We* are actually planning on painting in the fall (I've spent much of the
> last week attending to patching the stucco, etc.)
>
>

Congratulations.

[Colonel Edmund J. Burke]

All the same, you ignorant git.

[Don Y]

Thos of us who use a *real* news reader (and NOT google groups)
don't ever *see* these ancient posts.

And, surely don't sweat the fact that a reply is shifted in time
from the original post.

[itsjoan...@gmail.com]

Who cares how a person accesses these groups? Since
you are using a news reader you shouldn't give a big
rats hind leg how *I* access them.

[Don Y]

Because it is the google groups crowd who seem to respond
to ancient posts. And, the same group who seem to *complain*
about folks who've responded to them (the rest of us don't see
the dates on the ancient posts -- OR the posts! -- until some
google groupie replies to them)