Pros/Cons for Cabot's Clear Cedar Deck Stain?
mlan...@mediaone.net
using a citrus-based cleaner scrubbed on, then power washed off after
it had soaked in for maybe 30-45 minutes. Did a great job. Then I
used a anti-mildew cleaner, and followed that with a brightener. So
the wood looks pretty bright now except for a few grainy areas here
and there. But the Behr's Oil-Based stuff seems pretty much gone.
Now, I had heard that Cabot gets the nod for the best deck treatment
and I'm wondering how users liked this water-based product. I'm
putting it on a pressure-treated deck that is maybe 8-10 years old,
and my one question after looking at a sample was whether it's very
durable... especially when you have a lot of tall pines, oaks, and
hemlocks around. The somewhat parafin-like Behr's stuff always seemed
to be attracted to the flaking of all these trees... like a darkish
powder that eventually made the deck surface look far darker than it
originally was.
So... anyone want to do the pro/cons of their favorite deck treatment
as I have to start on Wednesday/Thrusday and I'm looking to try
something different as I said in my last post on this topic. I am a
little skeptical of the Cabot's only because it seems so thin, but
maybe that's good?
Mike
Michelle Daly
do not need to do anything to the deck this year. Last week
I used Cabots semi transparent on our front porch deck. I
love it. It is thin and easy to put on, seems to be long
lasting, however I used the oil based products not the water
based. I had heard that the oil based lasts longer and is
more durable.
In article <3af6f13e....@news.ne.mediaone.net>,
capt...@the-spa.com
it seems that he didn't have a oil-based clear or semi-transparent
deck finish. The stuff he had was water-based and there isn't much of
a selection in terms of shades. We tried some samples on a weathered
piece of pressure-treated 2X4 left over from the deck. The water
stuff looked like someone basically spilled coffee then wiped it off.
The oil-based was supposedly semi-transparent but it looked like
mustard and the tonal grain of the wood was gone.
How about Olympic? Is there a synopsis of the Consumers Report
article from last Summer anyplace on the web? While I don't care to
use the parafin based Behrs again, the color it gave my deck was great
for about 2 months... then the tackyness of the parafin starts showing
all the dust, dirt, pollen, and resin that is in our yard... and it
gets progressively dirty but remains very waterproof if the beading is
any indicator.
I'd like to find a oil-based product that gives me the nice
caramel/honey color and depth of the Behrs clear cedar... but gets rid
of the tacky surface buildup.
Mike
On 8 May 2001 13:52:07 GMT, michell...@lexis-nexis.com (Michelle
Katie
end of winter, the deck was all dried out, mildewed, and discolored. This
year, I'm going to use Cabot Clear Solutions Oil-based formula. If you have
a Cabot dealer, they should be able to order it for you if they don't stock
it. I've ordered samples of the Cabot decking stains (semi-opaque) and I
don't like the look.... you really don't see the grain at all and the colors
are a bit odd looking to me (their red cedar, new redwood, redwood, and new
cedar are all very reddish/pink IMO). I saw a sample of the Clear Solutions
in Cedar tone and it was very pretty.
Katie
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David Rothman
for my clear cedar deck. previously i had used penofin (which i loved, but
it needs re-applications every 2 years, so i was looking for something
longer lasting).
i took a piece of clear cedar and applied some penofin and the new cabot and
in this case, the penofin was a clear winner on looks. it's rich oil seeped
into the wood and gave it a deep brown look that enhanced the grain of the
wood.
the cabot was oil based, but didn't look like an oil stain. it reminded me
of cafe o lait (coffee with a lot of milk). after applying it to the wood
(a piece of clear cedar which has never been exposed to the elements and
which has been sitting in my garage for 2 years), u had to look awfully
close to tell where the stain had been applied. IOW, it didn't enhance the
wood at all, it in fact looked like a milky covering that muted the grain.
99 out of 100 people would think the penofin looked better.
now it may be the case that a darker stain from cabot would be more pleasing
to the eye, but i called the cabot 800 number and they suggested that if i
wanted that same look as the penofin, i'd need to step up to their higher
end product - the australian timber oil. this suggested to me that altho
cabot's regular decking stain may last a bit alonger, it can't compare to a
rosewood (penofin) or tung (australian timber) oil when it comes to looks.
so now i'll probably go back to penofin ($28/gal) or try the australian
timber oil($26/gal). if the cabot product had any history and provided a
longer life than the penofin, id try it, but it hasn't been around long
enuf, so ill probably go penofin...
"Katie" <xkatiex...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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davefr
significantly longer than 2-3 years.
They should be applied thin so you don't get much surface build. That combined
with the full force of UV light, rain/snow, foot traffic, etc, means that these
treatments have a fairly short life. Fortunately they're fairly easy to prep and
re-apply.
In article <FuaK6.58497$4X4.9...@news02.optonline.net>, David Rothman says...
David Rothman
"davefr" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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> Don't expect any transparent or semi-transparent deck stain to last
> significantly longer than 2-3 years.
>
> They should be applied thin so you don't get much surface build. That
combined
> with the full force of UV light, rain/snow, foot traffic, etc, means that
these
> treatments have a fairly short life. Fortunately they're fairly easy to
prep and
> re-apply.
not on a 1000 sq ft deck and a swingset and a bunch of railroad ties...it's
clearly a 3 or 4 day job (prep, pressure wash, selective sanding, spray on
penofin and backbrush)
capt...@the-spa.com
to see what my three color samples look like after baking in the sun
for a few hours this afternoon. I brought sample pressure treated
2X4's with me to the local dealer after talking with a techie at
Cabots. I was going to buy a quart of this product for our teak patio
set but I started talking to the guy and he said he used it on his
deck. Reading through the literature, Cabot agrees that it works just
fine on pressure-treated decks. So tomorrow it'll be 4 days since I
cleaned it, no rain, just 4 days of 75-80°, and I'll be able to
start-finish in the morning after running down to the lumberyard to
pick up the color we like.
I tried a sample of the water based #3062 Cedar toned stuff and I
didn't care for the lack of depth, but that is also drying.
Interestingly enough, the guy at the lumber yard told me that within a
year or two, you won't see very many oil-based deck finishes offered
though he himself was wondering about how well the water based
translucent products will hold up with foot traffic.
My goal is to get the pressurized wood to a color of "cardboard" for
lack of any better description. And I don't want a "pickled" look, I
just want the deck to basically look wet and slightly darker (i.e.
honey colored) without any shine. I'll re-do it next year even though
I know that a more opaque product might last longer.
I'll report back :)
Mike
On 8 May 2001 13:52:07 GMT, michell...@lexis-nexis.com (Michelle
Daly) wrote:
David Rothman
somewhere in this thread?
im going back to penofin (tho i may give the deluxe (red can) version a try
to see if i can squeeze a third year out of it. i had no complaints with
the penofin (blue can - cedar marine) other than it's two yr life - i loved
the color and depth and ease of application.
2 questions:
why are u going with the cabot product when it has no track record?
and why would he think that there will be few oil based products within a
few years???
<capt...@the-spa.com> wrote in message
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George
>and why would he think that there will be few oil based products within a
>few years???
All oil based products will be phased out by I think 2003. Thanks the
envio-techs in Washington. I've heard though that some "oils" will be ok
because there not really oil . . . bla bla bla.