Garage side door

[Jim S]

Helping a friend.

Garage side door is destroyed.
I was asked if I could fix or replace it.

Gonna replace it.
Went to Home Depot but nobody could help me that knew anything about doors
other than to ask if I wanted it pre hung which I don't think I do.

I'll just "replace" it, one to one, if I can.
The knob and hinges I can swap over, can't I?

It doesn't need to look exactly the same she said.
It needs to be exterior/interior though.
Here is a photo. [https://ufile.io/mvtz3wjy]

Size is 1-3/8" thick, 31-3/4" wide, and 80" tall.
Owner doesn't really care if there's a window or not.

What's the process of buying a door & replacing it?
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Jim S

[Jim S]

In article <news:t92j1e$1r3kj$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, <j...@jimXscott.co.uk>
says...

> It doesn't need to look exactly the same she said.
> It needs to be exterior/interior though.
> Here is a photo. [https://ufile.io/mvtz3wjy]
>
> Size is 1-3/8" thick, 31-3/4" wide, and 80" tall.
> Owner doesn't really care if there's a window or not.

Better photo upload site. Let me know if it doesn't work.
[https://8upload.com/display/62b4e91da852f/door.jpg.php]
[https://8upload.com/image/62b4e91da852f/door.jpg]

Sorry about the crummy original photo site.
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Jim S

[hub...@ccanoemail.com]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 20:39:11 -0000 (UTC), Jim S <j...@jimXscott.co.uk>
wrote:

I couldn't see your photo - the web site was asking me to
log in or register ...
1. how / why is the door "destroyed" ?
2. how / why is the frame * not * equally "destroyed" ?

I'd be checking out Habitat Re-Store and perhaps a couple
door & window guys or renovation guys for a used one.
32 x 80 seems a common size.
John T.

[Peabody]

I've been through this process. My side door was wood, with no storm door.
So it had deteriorated pretty badly. Home Depot wanted to replace it for
about $500, plus the door, and that would involve removing the door and
frame, and replacing it with a pre-hung door. In my case the frame was
really solid, and had some stonework around it, so I ended up buying a
steel door - just the door - and paid a handyman $100 to put it in. You
would want to see if the existing hardware is at the same place as the
holes that are already in the new steel door. And you may have issues with
weather stripping. But I think the sizes are standard. The hard part
would be cutting the new door for the hinges. This is apparently simple if
you've done it before and have the right equipment. Between the challenges
of the hardware and the hinges, I concluded that this was a time to hire
some expertise. But even so, the total cost was a lot less than what HD
wanted.

[Frank]

Looks like a screen on bottom of storm door has caused weathering.
It is not hard to hang a door and I would find an exterior door that fits.

[Jim S]

In article <news:t92uha$r2m$1...@dont-email.me>, <fr...@frank.net> says...

> Looks like a screen on bottom of storm door has caused weathering.
> It is not hard to hang a door and I would find an exterior door that fits.

You have good eyes. The aluminum screen door outside the wood door is also
dilapidated. I had planned on replacing the screen for her because it's all
busted (which I've never done before but it looks pretty easy to do).

I might look closer to see if that's what let all that water damage occur.

Do you think water is getting past the screen door?
[https://8upload.com/display/62b50c5299340/screen.jpg.php]
[https://8upload.com/image/62b50c5299340/screen.jpg]

I never hung a door before but if I get the right size I don't see any
problem drilling the holes for the knob (I'm sure they make tools for that)
and chiseling out the hinges so that they lay flush.
--
Jim S

[Marilyn Manson]

Why not get a pre-hung door? Unless you can find a slab door that
is laid out exactly the same as the current one, you'll need to mortise
for the hinges, drill/mortise for the lock-set, etc.

Do you have the tools for all that? Is it worth the cost of the tools and
the extra work vs. just using a pre-hung door?

It's hard to tell from your images (create a free account at imgur) but
if the opening isn't square, you may have lot of trouble fitting a new
slab door into the existing jamb. A pre-hung door would give you the
chance to get everything square and plumb. The lockset and hinges
will simply "fit". Most come with weather stripping, an aluminum
threshold etc.

Is there a reason you don't think you want a pre-hung door? Is
expense an issue?

(BTW...I've done both and would use a pre-hung door whenever
possible)

[rbowman]

On 06/23/2022 07:01 PM, Jim S wrote:
> I never hung a door before but if I get the right size I don't see any
> problem drilling the holes for the knob (I'm sure they make tools for that)
> and chiseling out the hinges so that they lay flush.

Do you have a plane? Door openings have a way of not being quite as
square as the day the house was built.

[Clare Snyder]

I'd be looking for a good steel door - used if possible - and I would
definitely consider a pre-hung unit

[Clare Snyder]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 01:01:25 -0000 (UTC), Jim S <j...@jimXscott.co.uk>
wrote:

They usually come pre-drilled and cut - and that is the beaty of
pre-hung - it all fits!!

[Jim S]

In article <news:rlbabhdrm75s64ftp...@4ax.com>,
<cl...@snyder.on.ca> says...

> I'd be looking for a good steel door - used if possible - and I would
> definitely consider a pre-hung unit

I have nothing against this term of "pre hung" but what does that mean to
me who has to put it in? I get it that the hinges are already on the frame
and the holes in the door and frame for the doorknob must be there.

But how does the pre hung door _fit_ in the old door's place?

How do you rip out the old door frame? Doesn't it cause problems?
--
Jim S

[Jim S]

In article <news:d49415ad-ab0c-4387...@googlegroups.com>,
Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> says...

> Is there a reason you don't think you want a pre-hung door? Is
> expense an issue?
>
> (BTW...I've done both and would use a pre-hung door whenever
> possible)

Expense isn't the issue as she's paying for it anyway (although I don't
want her to waste her money). I guess from what people are saying that I
_do_ want a pre hung door then.

I guess I rip out the old door frame and then fit in the new pre-hung door
into whatever hole is left around the two-by fours.

If that's easier, and not much more expensive, that's what I'd do then.
I just came here to ask for that kind of advice.
--
Jim S

[Marilyn Manson]

I assume you have access to YouTube. I can’t imagine how many
videos there must be related to installing a pre-hung door. Watch
a few first, then decide.

Come on back if you any more questions, especially related to
your specific situation.

Find a better image hosting site first. Try Imgur or flickr.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 21:10:36 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Do you have a plane? Door openings have a way of not being quite as
> square as the day the house was built.

I suppose you will just talk to the door and do your magic, senile gossip!
<BG>

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[Frank]

I would assume if you went pre-hung door, which would be sealed better
than if you replaced the door yourself, would mean that you had to
re-install the screen door which is also a mess. If they could do
without the screen door and they were satisfied with a good exterior
door that may be the best way to go.

[trader_4]

+1

I think some people just assume that installing just the door will be
simpler, easier, less work. For the above reasons, it's typically not
and you don't know how much trouble you're going to be in until
you start modifying the door trying to get it to fit. In a rough opening,
you can shim up the door and frame as needed, get the whole thing
plumb with less work.

[Scott Lurndal]

Jim S <j...@jimXscott.co.uk> writes:
>In article <news:rlbabhdrm75s64ftp...@4ax.com>,
><cl...@snyder.on.ca> says...
>
>> I'd be looking for a good steel door - used if possible - and I would
>> definitely consider a pre-hung unit
>
>I have nothing against this term of "pre hung" but what does that mean to
>me who has to put it in? I get it that the hinges are already on the frame
>and the holes in the door and frame for the doorknob must be there.

If just replacing the door, you'll find it quite tricky to get the
hinges (hopefully three on an exterior door) all aligned properly.

>
>But how does the pre hung door _fit_ in the old door's place?

You remove the old door and the frame and replace it with the new
door and frame.

First remove the trim moulding on the exterior and interior. You'll
find a small gap between the door frame and the studwall with shims
to align the frame. Remove everything back to the studs and simply
slide the new frame in place, shim and nail. Door openings in the studwall are
usually standard sizes; measure the raw opening and take that measurement
with you to the place you intend to purchase the replacement door and
frame. They'll provide you with the proper size (if available for your
opening).

>

[Marilyn Manson]

I agree with all that, for the most part, but considering that this is a garage and we
don't know how it was constructed, the OP should be prepared for surprises when
it comes to the framing. I've seen some real hack work done when a garage is
DIY (or even contractor) built.

I suggested checking out some YouTube videos to get a feel for how a door install
is *supposed* to be done and then taking a look at how the actual framing was done
and see if things match up. Be prepared to modify some of the standard steps.

As far as measuring the rough opening, one key step was left out:

- Measure the width of the rough opening in 3 places. Top, middle and bottom.
- Measure the height of the rough opening in 3 places. Left, right and center.
- In *most* cases the smallest measurement of each set of 3 is the one you want
to use. In some cases, the current framing may be such that the smallest measurement
is just below a standard size and the installer may want to consider taking steps to
widen/lengthen that area so that a standard size door fits. BTDT

In some cases, such as with my basement door, a standard size door just won't fit.
The rough opening height called for a 76 1/2" door. The price difference between a stock
door and a custom door was beyond ridiculous, especially for a simple flat panel steel
door. I bought a stock 80" steel door and cut down the jamb and door to the exact height I
needed. This helped.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/DEWALT-7-in-Turbo-High-Performance-Aluminum-Oxide-Circular-Saw-Blade/1100901

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Jun 2022 01:01:25 -0000 (UTC), Jim S

Don't throw away the old door until you are done. (In fact you should
never throw away old anything until you are done replacing it .) You
can use the old door to show where the hinges go on the new door. You
can also use crayon or lipstick or something that doesn't dry right away
by painting the hinges and pushing the door up against them. But
easier to use the old door.

[Frank]

In this case you will need a tight fit and as we all know dimensions
change in house with time. I had to plane down a lot of interior doors
over time.

[Marilyn Manson]

What do you mean by a "tight fit"?

[Frank]

To keep out the elements unlike an interior door. Even an air leak
could be annoying.

[Marilyn Manson]

That's what weather stripping is for. Another reason for a pre-hung door.

Too tight a door and it will bind should the framing and/or door expand.

[Clare Snyder]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 03:34:18 -0000 (UTC), Jim S <j...@jimXscott.co.uk>
wrote:

You take the old frame out with a crowbar and it is no problem if you
know what you are foing, If you don't???? who knows.

[Marilyn Manson]

https://i.imgur.com/9umoOrX.jpg