PROBLEM: JOTUL GAS STOVE/FIREPLACE
SRL
an inside chimney or on one of the ends of the house? What is the
vent or flue material? Have you actually identified that it is the
stove that is emitting the odor and not something else, like a coating on
the flue liner or some such?
Steve
Mark A. Nutting <mnut...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Help!
>
> I have had a Jotul free standing gas stove(/fireplace) professionally
> installed in my basement as part of my finishing the basement project.
The
> model is the Jotul Firelight Direct Vent which is a 42,000 BTU unit. It
is
> a great unit which throws enough heat to warm my whole house, not to
mention
> the large top surface which can be used for heating food if necessary.
>
> PROBLEM: The first 20 minutes (or so) that the unit is on it emits a
> horrible odor (like burning plastic), then, once the unit gets hot, the
odor
> goes and I can run the stove all day with no problem - as long as the unit
> doesn't shut down. If it cools down for more than 5 minutes then the
> smelling prelude happens again. In order to get through the first 20
> minutes I need to open all the basement windows, the bulkhead, and blow a
> fan out because the odor is that strong and that bad. The dealer has just
> installed the third new unit, which is also doing the same thing. I have
> sufficiently cured each unit, and, as the directions say, after the first
> hour or so it stops smoking and is fine as far as the new curing process
is
> concerned. One unit I ran for a total of over 60 hours in 4, 8, and 12
hour
> burns and it still smelled for the first 20 mintues of each start-up. The
> dealer is at a loss, as is Jotul who sent a representative down last
> Tuesday.
>
> Has anyone else encountered this or have any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark (mnut...@ix.netcom.com)
Mark A. Nutting
John Bridgman
extent. It really stank during the initial curing then seemed fine as long
as I burned it every day for 12+ hours. If I leave it unused for several
days then the smell comes back when I light it again.
My guess is that there's a slower curing process going on that releases
"something" over time, but I have no clue what that might be. I'd be really
interested to see how this turns out, my guess is that if you keep burning
it for another few months the smell will go away.
Good luck...
JB
Mark A. Nutting wrote in message <83jtrk$j5t$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>Help!
Daniel Tonks
the fire has been lit with contaminated material. I think it is metallic
inks on paper that can do it, along with other materials.
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John Bridgman wrote in message ...
John Bridgman
either but not sure.
You raise an interesting point about the metallic inks -- all of our local
papers have gone to heavy use of colour, it's getting hard to find a B&W
paper to use for starting fires ;)
Not sure if they're still using metallic inks, of course, but something to
find out...
JB
Daniel Tonks wrote in message ...
Mark A. Nutting
The unit is a free standing, direct vent, gas stove which is vented through
B-Vent (I think that's what it's called) pipe that allows for both incoming
combustible air as well as outgoing exhaust, thus, making the firebox open
only to the outside and sealing it completely to the room. The pipe rises
4-5 feet, elbows and exits out the basement cement wall with the proper vent
recommended by JOTUL.
The odor, yet to be diagnosed (smells like buring plastic and is very
strong), appears to be coming from the air tubes. These are vericle tubes
which are open at both ends, you can look right down the top and see the
floor. These tubes touch the outside of the firebox so the room air in them
is heated, rises, pulling more room air into the tubes, etc. I also have
the optional blower which sits under these tubes and can be turned on to
encourage circulation.
The JOTUL rep was here last week and while admittedly baffeled, had a
theory. I have, within the past six months, sealed the walls with DryLok
wall sealer, painted the floor with DryLok floor paint, there is raw lumber
around as the project is still in-process, and there is exposed insulation
in between the ceiling joints. He thought maybe all these things could be
"gassing off" as he put it, and that while not really detecible otherwise,
as those gasses are heated they give off this horrible odor. That, he felt,
could be why it only happens for the first 20 minutes or so as they are
burning off a concentration of these gasses in the air, say because the
stove has been off for a day or so. That sounded very plausible, until
several facts seemed to disprove the theory: first, the dealer took one
stove from my house and set it up in his place, where it still caused the
odor; second, if I turn the stove off for only 5 mintues (just long enough
to cool down a bit) then the initial smelling happens again when I turn it
back on - 5 minutes wouldn't seem long enough to build up much of a
concentration of gasses; and finally, I have both a gas furnace and a gas
hot water heater in my basement which do not have this problem.
So, I, the dealer, and the manufacturer are at a loss. JOTUL claims to have
4,000 of these units in the field, initally they claimed with no such
problem, now I heard they had a similar problem with a different model. The
dealer claims to have 50 of these units in the field with no such problem -
why me? :o( I'm on the third stove the dealer has put in, so if I don't
keep this one that's it for JOTUL, I will have to try another brand
(DOVER). If I knew what this was and that it would go away eventually, e.g.
in 6 months or so, then I wouldn't mind, but with no assurance from either
the dealer or the manufacturer as to what this could be I am hesitant to
keep the unit. However, I really like this unit and will not be as happy
with another model.
Any help or ideas would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark (mnut...@ix.netcom.com)
===== Steve wrote: ===============
>More details please. Does it vent through a chimney, is the chimney
>an inside chimney or on one of the ends of the house? What is the
>vent or flue material? Have you actually identified that it is the
>stove that is emitting the odor and not something else, like a coating on
>the flue liner or some such?
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>Mark A. Nutting <mnut...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:83jtrk$j5t$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net...
>> Help!
>>
>> I have had a Jotul free standing gas stove(/fireplace) professionally
>> installed in my basement as part of my finishing the basement project.
>The
>> model is the Jotul Firelight Direct Vent which is a 42,000 BTU unit. It
>is
>> a great unit which throws enough heat to warm my whole house, not to
>mention
>> the large top surface which can be used for heating food if necessary.
>>
>> PROBLEM: The first 20 minutes (or so) that the unit is on it emits a
GSmith
> Here are more details Steve,
>
> The unit is a free standing, direct vent, gas stove which is vented through
> B-Vent (I think that's what it's called) pipe that allows for both incoming
> combustible air as well as outgoing exhaust, thus, making the firebox open
> only to the outside and sealing it completely to the room. The pipe rises
> 4-5 feet, elbows and exits out the basement cement wall with the proper vent
> recommended by JOTUL.
Just for clarification, I believe a "B-Vent" is also known as a natural vent;
the fire box is not sealed from the room. If yours is sealed it is a
"Direct-Vent", and uses a double wall vent pipe to draw in combustion air thru
the annular space.
John Bridgman
B-vent up the existing chimney, one for intake and one for venting. I was
surprised by that (thought they all used double wall) but apparently this is
OK...
If you only have one piece of B-vent then it is NOT a direct vent ;)
JB
GSmith wrote in message <385EDD06...@worldnet.att.net>...
Mark A. Nutting
The direct vent pipe it uses has a smaller pipe running through the middle of
it for the exhaust and the space outside the inner pipe is for the intake.
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This is a MAJOR issue, as yotul,could be held responsible for cancer causing emmissiobs inside houses. I am surprised ghere is no lawsuit yet.
Oren
>I have had two yotul woodburning stoves. They both did/do thr same stinky thing. It is the poor choice of paint by yotul. The toxic fumes are extremely bad for you and you must open all windows when you first fire up. So dont fire up when it is cold out. You must an ahead. Both stoves after 4 full winter seasons of daily burning still stink at any fire up where more than two weeks interval exists and when it heats up too fast as well.
>
>This is a MAJOR issue, as yotul,could be held responsible for cancer causing emmissiobs inside houses. I am surprised ghere is no lawsuit yet.
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> I have a Regency woodstove insert that does the same thing to a lesser
> extent. It really stank during the initial curing then seemed fine as long
> as I burned it every day for 12+ hours. If I leave it unused for several
> days then the smell comes back when I light it again.
>
> My guess is that there's a slower curing process going on that releases
> "something" over time, but I have no clue what that might be. I'd be really
> interested to see how this turns out, my guess is that if you keep burning
> it for another few months the smell will go away.
>
> Good luck...
>
> JB
>
> Mark A. Nutting wrote in message <83jtrk$j5t$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >Help!
> >
> >
> >horrible odor (like burning plastic),
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