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HeyBub
Feb 20, 2012, 5:45:23 PM2/20/12
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I recently read a news report entitled "As unemployment benefits end,
non-workers turn to disability." It seems as if those whose unemployment
benefits have run out are turning to asserting some sort of disability to
receive SS payments.
That got me thinking.
As you may recall, my current squeeze is an intake clinician at a mental
health hospital (certifications out the kazoo). She interviews patients and
posits an initial diagnosis, then recommends for or against hospitalization.
Having done this for thirty years, the stories she can tell! (Many involving
the same people she first saw thirty years ago.)
Anyway, my scheme starts with an advertisement:
"Unemployment run out?
You may be eligible for disability payments"
People call for an appointment. They come in for an interview. A number are
selected for several counseling sessions. Those that cannot be readily cured
after, say, five (paid) sessions are recommended to Social Security as being
afflicted with long-term, or permanent, mental defect or disease, thereby
assuring they get something coming in every month from SS Disability.
This is not meant to be a scam on Social Security (wink, wink). There is, no
doubt, a reason these people can't find a job. That reason may very well be
organic, schizophrenic or other psychotic disorder, an affective disorder,
mental retardation, anxiety, somatoform, addiction, autism, or simply that
they smell funny. If the individual IS afflicted with any of these, he or
she needs an advocate to help them get that for which they paid during their
working years.
As I'm continually impressed with the breadth of knowledge found on this
group, and each person's ability to point out the flaws in the simplest
plans, I'm soliciting comments on the above idea.
Thanks in advance to all who want to share.
non-workers turn to disability." It seems as if those whose unemployment
benefits have run out are turning to asserting some sort of disability to
receive SS payments.
That got me thinking.
As you may recall, my current squeeze is an intake clinician at a mental
health hospital (certifications out the kazoo). She interviews patients and
posits an initial diagnosis, then recommends for or against hospitalization.
Having done this for thirty years, the stories she can tell! (Many involving
the same people she first saw thirty years ago.)
Anyway, my scheme starts with an advertisement:
"Unemployment run out?
You may be eligible for disability payments"
People call for an appointment. They come in for an interview. A number are
selected for several counseling sessions. Those that cannot be readily cured
after, say, five (paid) sessions are recommended to Social Security as being
afflicted with long-term, or permanent, mental defect or disease, thereby
assuring they get something coming in every month from SS Disability.
This is not meant to be a scam on Social Security (wink, wink). There is, no
doubt, a reason these people can't find a job. That reason may very well be
organic, schizophrenic or other psychotic disorder, an affective disorder,
mental retardation, anxiety, somatoform, addiction, autism, or simply that
they smell funny. If the individual IS afflicted with any of these, he or
she needs an advocate to help them get that for which they paid during their
working years.
As I'm continually impressed with the breadth of knowledge found on this
group, and each person's ability to point out the flaws in the simplest
plans, I'm soliciting comments on the above idea.
Thanks in advance to all who want to share.
Stormin Mormon
Feb 20, 2012, 6:33:38 PM2/20/12
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First, I think it's an idea with great merit.
Please consider a diagnosis of "Acute Radical Conserativitis". During this
condition, the hapless sufferer has occasional fits of rage, directed toward
the drunken spenders in Washington DC. Moments of acute swearing, and eye
brow furring when the name of BeeHo is mentioned. Complications include
mental befuddlement when asked why one is unemployed.
To rate a diganosis of ARC, one must suffer from four of the following nine
items:
1. Became unemplyed after 2008
2. Sputters curses like "I work for my money!" when asked about going on
welfare
3. Watched All in the Family for two or more consecutive years
4. Calls the current president "meathead" or "that goddamn socialist"
5. Has pictures of Ronald Reagan at home
6. When asked, believes that tax cuts stimulate the economy
7. Considers self to be white, or caucasian
8. Usually male, between ages of 35 and 62
9. Insists that his disdain for BeeHo is not because of any racist
tendencies
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Please consider a diagnosis of "Acute Radical Conserativitis". During this
condition, the hapless sufferer has occasional fits of rage, directed toward
the drunken spenders in Washington DC. Moments of acute swearing, and eye
brow furring when the name of BeeHo is mentioned. Complications include
mental befuddlement when asked why one is unemployed.
To rate a diganosis of ARC, one must suffer from four of the following nine
items:
1. Became unemplyed after 2008
2. Sputters curses like "I work for my money!" when asked about going on
welfare
3. Watched All in the Family for two or more consecutive years
4. Calls the current president "meathead" or "that goddamn socialist"
5. Has pictures of Ronald Reagan at home
6. When asked, believes that tax cuts stimulate the economy
7. Considers self to be white, or caucasian
8. Usually male, between ages of 35 and 62
9. Insists that his disdain for BeeHo is not because of any racist
tendencies
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
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Ed Pawlowski
Feb 20, 2012, 6:48:31 PM2/20/12
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:45:23 -0600, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
>I recently read a news report entitled "As unemployment benefits end,
>non-workers turn to disability." It seems as if those whose unemployment
>benefits have run out are turning to asserting some sort of disability to
>receive SS payments.
The SS office is loaded with people trying.
>
>Anyway, my scheme starts with an advertisement:
>
> "Unemployment run out?
>You may be eligible for disability payments"
>
>People call for an appointment. They come in for an interview. A number are
>selected for several counseling sessions. Those that cannot be readily cured
>after, say, five (paid) sessions are recommended to Social Security as being
>afflicted with long-term, or permanent, mental defect or disease, thereby
>assuring they get something coming in every month from SS Disability.
>
>This is not meant to be a scam on Social Security (wink, wink). There is, no
>doubt, a reason these people can't find a job. That reason may very well be
>organic, schizophrenic or other psychotic disorder, an affective disorder,
>mental retardation, anxiety, somatoform, addiction, autism, or simply that
>they smell funny. If the individual IS afflicted with any of these, he or
>she needs an advocate to help them get that for which they paid during their
>working years.
>
>As I'm continually impressed with the breadth of knowledge found on this
>group, and each person's ability to point out the flaws in the simplest
>plans, I'm soliciting comments on the above idea.
>
>Thanks in advance to all who want to share.
>
>
You are not really the first. There are some lawyers already
advertising to those denied benefits.
wrote:
>I recently read a news report entitled "As unemployment benefits end,
>non-workers turn to disability." It seems as if those whose unemployment
>benefits have run out are turning to asserting some sort of disability to
>receive SS payments.
>
>Anyway, my scheme starts with an advertisement:
>
> "Unemployment run out?
>You may be eligible for disability payments"
>
>People call for an appointment. They come in for an interview. A number are
>selected for several counseling sessions. Those that cannot be readily cured
>after, say, five (paid) sessions are recommended to Social Security as being
>afflicted with long-term, or permanent, mental defect or disease, thereby
>assuring they get something coming in every month from SS Disability.
>
>This is not meant to be a scam on Social Security (wink, wink). There is, no
>doubt, a reason these people can't find a job. That reason may very well be
>organic, schizophrenic or other psychotic disorder, an affective disorder,
>mental retardation, anxiety, somatoform, addiction, autism, or simply that
>they smell funny. If the individual IS afflicted with any of these, he or
>she needs an advocate to help them get that for which they paid during their
>working years.
>
>As I'm continually impressed with the breadth of knowledge found on this
>group, and each person's ability to point out the flaws in the simplest
>plans, I'm soliciting comments on the above idea.
>
>Thanks in advance to all who want to share.
>
>
advertising to those denied benefits.
George
Feb 20, 2012, 7:44:55 PM2/20/12
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On 2/20/2012 5:45 PM, HeyBub wrote:
> I recently read a news report entitled "As unemployment benefits end,
> non-workers turn to disability." It seems as if those whose unemployment
> benefits have run out are turning to asserting some sort of disability to
> receive SS payments.
>
> That got me thinking.
>
> As you may recall, my current squeeze is an intake clinician at a mental
> health hospital (certifications out the kazoo). She interviews patients and
> posits an initial diagnosis, then recommends for or against hospitalization.
> Having done this for thirty years, the stories she can tell! (Many involving
> the same people she first saw thirty years ago.)
I thought you claimed you were an Indian princess or something similar
> I recently read a news report entitled "As unemployment benefits end,
> non-workers turn to disability." It seems as if those whose unemployment
> benefits have run out are turning to asserting some sort of disability to
> receive SS payments.
>
> That got me thinking.
>
> As you may recall, my current squeeze is an intake clinician at a mental
> health hospital (certifications out the kazoo). She interviews patients and
> posits an initial diagnosis, then recommends for or against hospitalization.
> Having done this for thirty years, the stories she can tell! (Many involving
> the same people she first saw thirty years ago.)
in all of the nonsense you write?
>
> Anyway, my scheme starts with an advertisement:
>
> "Unemployment run out?
> You may be eligible for disability payments"
about?
George
Feb 20, 2012, 7:52:47 PM2/20/12
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On 2/20/2012 6:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>
>
> You are not really the first. There are some lawyers already
> advertising to those denied benefits.
I can think of two current ones. One is local trying to get some
>>
>>
>
> You are not really the first. There are some lawyers already
> advertising to those denied benefits.
momentum and the other is that lawyer (or actor) with the big stupid
looking cowboy hat and wearing a suit who has been pimping his firms
abilities to "deal with SS" as a "national advocate" for years. Maybe
heybub saw those ads?
RickH
Feb 20, 2012, 10:37:11 PM2/20/12
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scheme of SS itself. Which looks to have ever-fewer payers vs takes
based on anticipated birth / retirement / death rates.
The only real problem you will have is cash flow, as all your patients
are unemployed, I would suggest that the contract place an iron-clad
lien on any SS payment received as a result of your advocacy, because
that is the only hope you will have of getting paid for your time.
Still this is a more socially beneficial service than selling cutlery,
overpriced kitchen gadgets, or Amway soap to your friends and
relatives. Long term unemployment has a way of rotting ambition,
demoralizing and isolating the individual, ruining lives and
families. A SS check ultimately wont cure that condition and may even
prolong it. But thats not your goal, to relieve their sense of
entitlement, or deal with their issues. The business goal is to
simply help them wrestle a check from their SS account early under
your contract. That being said initial cash flow will be the main
issue, if you do get the SS checks to start flowing then it is a
sustainable business. The govt is too incompetent to change the rules
fast enough to stop you, and a supply of customers with a deep sense
of entitlement will be good.
Mr. Austerity
Feb 21, 2012, 7:19:14 AM2/21/12
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http://spectator.org/archives/2011/11/17/the-new-welfare-swindle
HeyBub
Feb 21, 2012, 7:42:25 AM2/21/12
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George wrote:
>
>
> I thought you claimed you were an Indian princess or something similar
> in all of the nonsense you write?
Heh, no. You must be thinking about me channeling an Indian guru.
>
>
> I thought you claimed you were an Indian princess or something similar
> in all of the nonsense you write?
>
>>
>> Anyway, my scheme starts with an advertisement:
>>
>> "Unemployment run out?
>> You may be eligible for disability payments"
>
>
> Guessing you are one of those "honest" "god fearing" republicans we
> here about?
>
God's my copilot.
HeyBub
Feb 21, 2012, 7:46:28 AM2/21/12
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RickH wrote:
>
>
> Your business plan actually has more merit than the ponzi / pyramid
> scheme of SS itself. Which looks to have ever-fewer payers vs takes
> based on anticipated birth / retirement / death rates.
>
> The only real problem you will have is cash flow, as all your patients
> are unemployed, I would suggest that the contract place an iron-clad
> lien on any SS payment received as a result of your advocacy, because
> that is the only hope you will have of getting paid for your time.
I have thought on that, and you raise an important point.
>
>
> Your business plan actually has more merit than the ponzi / pyramid
> scheme of SS itself. Which looks to have ever-fewer payers vs takes
> based on anticipated birth / retirement / death rates.
>
> The only real problem you will have is cash flow, as all your patients
> are unemployed, I would suggest that the contract place an iron-clad
> lien on any SS payment received as a result of your advocacy, because
> that is the only hope you will have of getting paid for your time.
I'm thinking five counseling/diagnostic sessions at $150/hr should be
sufficient to determine the exact malady from which the poor souls suffer.
That's $750.
Paid up-front.
HeyBub
Feb 21, 2012, 7:50:00 AM2/21/12
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Mr. Austerity" <"PrintMo.Money wrote:
>
> It's been going on for years, it's call "Crazy Money".
> http://spectator.org/archives/2011/11/17/the-new-welfare-swindle
Just goes to show: "There's nothing new under the sun."
>
> It's been going on for years, it's call "Crazy Money".
> http://spectator.org/archives/2011/11/17/the-new-welfare-swindle
Thanks for the link.
As with anything else, marketing is the name of the game.
My plan includes passing out cards at the unemployment office.
Frank
Feb 21, 2012, 7:55:02 AM2/21/12
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The rest goes to widows, orphans and disabled.
Workers comp is a different animal and has also become modern welfare.
When they are deemed permanently disabled they go on SSD.
We all know plenty of the disabled that the average person cannot keep
up with.
Tom with his bad back and on SSD likes to bow hunt and one morning
climbs a tree with his climbing stand, kills a deer, drags it out,
takes it home, hangs it, and goes back in the afternoon and repeats
the process. Awful lot of effort that evening to butcher the two
deer. Too bad he has a bad back and can't work.
I'm not making up this story.
George
Feb 21, 2012, 10:15:13 AM2/21/12
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>
> God's my copilot.
>
>
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Feb 22, 2012, 1:20:34 PM2/22/12
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up to 25% of the benefits won. That's some real cash for shuffling some
papers.
gregz
Feb 22, 2012, 7:53:35 PM2/22/12
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Talking about stuff and county taxes. I just got letter yesterday swooping
up my one property evaluation from $3500 to $28,000. 800% increase. Well
it's bad property, have to try to change it.
The rep from pa says the food stamp card in pa issue is used in 50 states
and overseas. Something wrong.
Greg
DerbyDad03
Feb 22, 2012, 8:10:21 PM2/22/12
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It sounds like they are using "full valuation" figures instead of
partial valuations with a multiplier.
It doesn't mean that your taxes will change, it could just mean that
they are using a different formula to determine your taxes.
Of course, your taxes could still go up, but it wouldn't be just
because they are now valuing your house at full value.
gregz
Feb 22, 2012, 11:28:14 PM2/22/12
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millage.
House and lot went up 20% . My other connected lot went up 800% .I have to
go down and try to get it lowered. All properties changed to computer
program. As a lot, the other property is on a slope, with a 15 foot ridge
on other road. Covered with trees. Nobody would buy it.
I'll also say I'm retired on ss. Many homes have doubled assessment, and
many people face grief. The other counties are much cheaper on taxes. Too
bad I'm on the boarder.
Greg
Greg
DerbyDad03
Feb 22, 2012, 11:53:18 PM2/22/12
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On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, gregz <ze...@comcast.net> wrote:
...
> DerbyDad03 <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 22, 7:53 pm, gregz <ze...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Mr. Austerity" <"PrintMo.Money wrote:
>
> >>>> It's been going on for years, it's call "Crazy Money".
> >>>>http://spectator.org/archives/2011/11/17/the-new-welfare-swindle
>
> >>> Just goes to show: "There's nothing new under the sun."
>
> >>> Thanks for the link.
>
> >>> As with anything else, marketing is the name of the game.
>
> >>> My plan includes passing out cards at the unemployment office.
>
> >> I was listening to a telephone roundtable last night from state rep.
> >> Talking about stuff and county taxes. I just got letter yesterday swooping
> >> up my one property evaluation from $3500 to $28,000. 800% increase. Well
> >> it's bad property, have to try to change it.
>
> >> The rep from pa says the food stamp card in pa issue is used in 50 states
> >> and overseas. Something wrong.
>
> >> Greg
>
> > Do you mean "valuation" as opposed to "evaluation"?
>
> > It sounds like they are using "full valuation" figures instead of
> > partial valuations with a multiplier.
>
> > It doesn't mean that your taxes will change, it could just mean that
> > they are using a different formula to determine your taxes.
>
> > Of course, your taxes could still go up, but it wouldn't be just
> > because they are now valuing your house at full value.
>
...
> > On Feb 22, 7:53 pm, gregz <ze...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Mr. Austerity" <"PrintMo.Money wrote:
>
> >>>> It's been going on for years, it's call "Crazy Money".
> >>>>http://spectator.org/archives/2011/11/17/the-new-welfare-swindle
>
> >>> Just goes to show: "There's nothing new under the sun."
>
> >>> Thanks for the link.
>
> >>> As with anything else, marketing is the name of the game.
>
> >>> My plan includes passing out cards at the unemployment office.
>
> >> I was listening to a telephone roundtable last night from state rep.
> >> Talking about stuff and county taxes. I just got letter yesterday swooping
> >> up my one property evaluation from $3500 to $28,000. 800% increase. Well
> >> it's bad property, have to try to change it.
>
> >> The rep from pa says the food stamp card in pa issue is used in 50 states
> >> and overseas. Something wrong.
>
> >> Greg
>
> > Do you mean "valuation" as opposed to "evaluation"?
>
> > It sounds like they are using "full valuation" figures instead of
> > partial valuations with a multiplier.
>
> > It doesn't mean that your taxes will change, it could just mean that
> > they are using a different formula to determine your taxes.
>
> > Of course, your taxes could still go up, but it wouldn't be just
> > because they are now valuing your house at full value.
>
> Not only are they increasing property values,
Must be nice. I can't get anybody to raise my property value.
...
HeyBub
Feb 23, 2012, 7:59:53 AM2/23/12
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
> ...
>> Not only are they increasing property values,
>
> Must be nice. I can't get anybody to raise my property value.
>
> ...
Saw in the news where the lady who lives next door to property owned by
>>
> ...
>> Not only are they increasing property values,
>
> Must be nice. I can't get anybody to raise my property value.
>
> ...
Detroit Congressman John Conyers just had her homeowners' insurance raised
from $1500/yr to $8,000/year because Conyers property was so decrepit it
constituted a fire hazard.
So, if the value of your (or your neighbor's) property goes down, your
insurance goes up.
It averages out.
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