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sid

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Apr 5, 2009, 11:03:16 AM4/5/09
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Where should the light switch be located for my walk-in closet; In-
side or Out-side the room ?

How big does the closet need to be before its considered a room of its
own ? (place the switch on the In-side)

Thanks

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RicodJour

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Apr 5, 2009, 11:30:48 AM4/5/09
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Why not put in a motion sensor (aka occupant sensor) so the light
comes on automatically? Then it doesn't matter where you put the
switch and it satisfies code.

R

Steve Barker

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Apr 5, 2009, 12:31:22 PM4/5/09
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I think the more important question is "Where do YOU want the switch?"

s

Steve Barker

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Apr 5, 2009, 12:32:07 PM4/5/09
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can you cite where code requires a light in a closet?

DerbyDad03

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Apr 5, 2009, 12:32:42 PM4/5/09
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re: "..put in a motion sensor...then it doesn't matter where you put
the switch..."

Sure it does...

If it's a fixture mounted detector then it obviously must be placed
inside.

If it's a wall mounted detector/override switch combination then it
would certainly make sense to mount it inside or the light would come
on whenever you walked past it.

WW

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Apr 5, 2009, 12:49:54 PM4/5/09
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"sid" <sidw...@alexian.net> wrote in message
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I put ours on outside with a light on the switch to show it is on so it will
be shut off after door is closed, WW


RicodJour

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Apr 5, 2009, 12:53:52 PM4/5/09
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On Apr 5, 12:32 pm, DerbyDad03 <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 11:30 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 5, 11:03 am, sid <sidwe...@alexian.net> wrote:
>
> > > Where should the light switch be located for my walk-in closet; In-
> > > side or Out-side the room ?
>
> > > How big does the closet need to be before its considered a room of its
> > > own ? (place the switch on the In-side)
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > Why not put in a motion sensor (aka occupant sensor) so the light
> > comes on automatically?  Then it doesn't matter where you put the
> > switch and it satisfies code.
>
>
> re: "..put in a motion sensor...then it doesn't matter where you put
> the switch..."
>
> Sure it does...

Not really.

> If it's a fixture mounted detector then it obviously must be placed
> inside.

Obviously.

> If it's a wall mounted detector/override switch combination then it
> would certainly make sense to mount it inside or the light would come
> on whenever you walked past it.

Right. So he shouldn't get a wall mounted detector if he puts the
switch outside. He hasn't determined the switch location yet and I'm
assuming the OP's not an idiot.

R

fftt

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Apr 5, 2009, 1:11:43 PM4/5/09
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Since nearly everyone is bouncing the question back to you, I'll give
a switch location opinion.

I've had switch for walk-in closets located inside & outside.....I
prefer the inside location.

That was the "light or dark" is located in the same "room" as the
switch. Less likely to leave the light on or turn the light on when
the door is closed.

My natural motion when moving into dark room is to reach for the light
switch on the inside wall somewhere above the latch strike.

I also tend to use switches with lighted toggles or rockers.

Just my 2¢

cheers
Bob

aemeijers

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Apr 5, 2009, 1:37:53 PM4/5/09
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Most buyers expect the switch to be outside. Only walkins I have seen
with switches inside were on high-end houses, and could more properly be
called dressing rooms. If there is a vanity and a place for a chair in
there, I'd call it a room.

Check your local codes- some are fussy about type and placement of light
fixtures in closets. Porcelain base on the wall above the door doesn't
fly in most places any more.

--
aem sends...

Steve Daniels

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Apr 5, 2009, 1:55:24 PM4/5/09
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On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:03:16 -0700 (PDT), against all advice,
something compelled sid <sidw...@alexian.net>, to say:

> Where should the light switch be located for my walk-in closet; In-
> side or Out-side the room ?

I'd put a normally closed (NC) pushbutton up on the frame
somewhere, located so the door will push it down when it's
closed. Then, whenever you open the door, the light will come
on, just like a refrigerator.


>
> How big does the closet need to be before its considered a room of its
> own ?


Is it going to have an HVAC vent in it?
--

Real men don't text.

The Daring Dufas

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Apr 5, 2009, 2:11:21 PM4/5/09
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For many years I've installed door switches in the
door frame so the closet light comes on when the
door is opened. The things are easily obtained at
any electrical supplier.

http://tinyurl.com/dbdzus

TDD

RicodJour

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Apr 5, 2009, 2:13:54 PM4/5/09
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On Apr 5, 12:32 pm, Steve Barker <ichasetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Apr 5, 11:03 am, sid <sidwe...@alexian.net> wrote:
>
> >> Where should the light switch be located for my walk-in closet; In-
> >> side or Out-side the room ?
>
> >> How big does the closet need to be before its considered a room of its
> >> own ? (place the switch on the In-side)
>
> > Why not put in a motion sensor (aka occupant sensor) so the light
> > comes on automatically?  Then it doesn't matter where you put the
> > switch and it satisfies code.
>
> can you cite where code requires a light in a closet?

A regular closet (an alcove with a door) does not, a storage room,
such as a walk-in closet, does.

Code is sometimes dumb, but it's not totally stupid. Code realizes
that most people don't walk around their house with flashlights. If
you can walk into a room that is dark, you're going to need some
light.

This is from the NY Residential Code, which is essentially the same as
the IRC.

§RE3803.4 Storage or equipment spaces. In attics, under-floor spaces,
utility rooms and basements, at least one lighting outlet shall be
installed where these spaces are used for storage or contain equipment
requiring servicing. Such lighting outlet shall be controlled by a
wall
switch or shall have an integral switch. At least one point of
control
shall be at the usual point of entry to these spaces.

R

1D1OT

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Apr 5, 2009, 2:18:42 PM4/5/09
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"sid" <sidw...@alexian.net> wrote in message
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Hang a flashlight on a nail, inside near the door latch.


DerbyDad03

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Apr 5, 2009, 6:47:32 PM4/5/09
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You're the one that said it didn't matter where he put the switch if
he used a motion detector. Now you seem to be agreeing with me that it
does matter. Which is it?

mm

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Apr 5, 2009, 8:53:05 PM4/5/09
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Of course that is good only if you're actually goin gto shut the
closet door when you're not using the closet. And should you turn it
off if you'll be back in 10 seconds, 30 seconds, 3 minutes, eventually
that will get longer and longer. I might start out with the best
intentinos but i know that wouldn't last too long.

>
>http://tinyurl.com/dbdzus
>
>TDD

LouB

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Apr 6, 2009, 7:07:31 AM4/6/09
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They make sensors that light the closet when you open the door to walk
in. Very handy!

Lou

The Daring Dufas

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Apr 6, 2009, 7:37:20 AM4/6/09
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It's a safety device, especially when children are
concerned. It helps control closet monsters, they
hate light.

TDD

Michael B

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Apr 6, 2009, 10:45:51 PM4/6/09
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On Apr 5, 11:03 am, sid <sidwe...@alexian.net> wrote:

I prefer putting such a switch on the inside, so that it is door-
controlled
instead of "Honey, you left the closet light on again".

Also, I use a refrigerator switch to do the job, and I wire two lights
in
series so they are not annoyingly bright, and they never have to be
replaced.

Phisherman

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Apr 7, 2009, 11:43:26 AM4/7/09
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On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:03:16 -0700 (PDT), sid <sidw...@alexian.net>
wrote:

My walkin closet has the switch on the bedroom wall, makes sense. If
your walkin closet belongs the the bedroom and that is the only closet
for the bedroom, it probably can not become a separate room. I used
my walkin closet to sleep when I worked the 3rd shift--quiet and dark,
perfect "bedroom" but some may not agree.

RicodJour

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Apr 7, 2009, 12:08:29 PM4/7/09
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On Apr 5, 6:47 pm, DerbyDad03 <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> You're the one that said it didn't matter where he put the switch if
> he used a motion detector. Now you seem to be agreeing with me that it
> does matter. Which is it?

I have not changed my opinion or advice. Maybe we're talking at cross
purposes.

It doesn't matter where the switch is placed if a device that
automatically controls the light is used.

There are only two choices.
The OP can locate the switch wherever he likes, then use the
appropriate occupant sensor light control.
OR, the OP can determine which is the appropriate occupant sensor and
then locate the switch as required.

See? It doesn't matter as the end result will be the same and there
are sensors that work with whatever switch location is chosen. Hope
that clears things up.

R

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