OT: Wimpy Russians

[Commander Kinsey]

Are Russians wimps now? Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death" whatever that means.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/

[Colin Bignell]

Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country whose
winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
better.

--
Colin Bignell

[Commander Kinsey]

An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on. What makes the Russians any different?

Either he's short of cash or he's weeding out the weaker soldiers.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:35:45 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

<FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore's latest
attention-baiting sick bullshit unread again>

--
damdu...@yahoo.co.uk about Birdbrain Macaw's (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL)
trolling:
"He is a well known attention seeking troll and every reply you
make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again."
MID: <be195d5jh0hktj054...@4ax.com>

--
ItsJoanNotJoann addressing Birdbrain Macaw's (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"You're an annoying troll and I'm done with you and your
stupidity."
MID: <e39a6a7f-9677-4e78...@googlegroups.com>

--
AndyW addressing Birdbrain:
"Troll or idiot?...
You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
historical cases, citations and references to back it up and wilfully
ignore all going back to your idea which has no supporting information."
MID: <KaToA.263621$g93.2...@fx10.am4>

--
Phil Lee adressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are too stupid to be wasting oxygen."
MID: <uv2u4clurscpat3g2...@4ax.com>

--
Phil Lee describing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I've never seen such misplaced pride in being a fucking moronic motorist."
MID: <j7fb6ct83igfd1g99...@4ax.com>

--
Tony944 addressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I seen and heard many people but you are on top of list being first class
ass hole jerk. ...You fit under unconditional Idiot and should be put in
mental institution.
MID: <VLCdnYC5HK1Z4S3F...@giganews.com>

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Pelican to Birdbrain Macaw:
"Ok. I'm persuaded . You are an idiot."
MID: <obru31$nao$3...@dont-email.me>

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DerbyDad03 addressing Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread."
MID: <4d907253-b3b9-40d4...@googlegroups.com>

--
Kerr Mudd-John about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey LOL):
"It's like arguing with a demented frog."
MID: <op.yy3c0...@dell3100.workgroup>

--
Mr Pounder Esquire about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"the piss poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel."
MID: <odqtgc$iug$1...@dont-email.me>

--
Rob Morley about Birdbrain:
"He's a perennial idiot"
MID: <20170519215057.56a1f1d4@Mars>

--
JoeyDee to Birdbrain
"I apologize for thinking you were a jerk. You're just someone with an IQ
lower than your age, and I accept that as a reason for your comments."
MID: <0001HW.1EE2D20300...@news.eternal-september.org>

--
Sam Plusnet about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He's just desperate to be noticed. Any attention will do, no matter how
negative it may be."
MID: <rOmdndd_O7u8iK7E...@brightview.co.uk>

--
thekma...@gmail.com asking Birdbrain:
"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?"
MID: <58ddfad5-d9a5-4031...@googlegroups.com>

--
Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander
Kinsey" LOL):
"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID: <59d8b0db...@news.eternal-september.org>

--
Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
MID: <orree6$on2$1...@dont-email.me>

--
Richard to pathetic wanker Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID: <orvctf$l5m$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

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cl...@snyder.on.ca about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID: <s5e9uclqpnabteheh...@4ax.com>

--
Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a shithole with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID: <os5m1i$8m1$1...@dont-email.me>

--
francis about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID: <cf06cdd9-8bb8-469c...@googlegroups.com>

--
Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID: <otofc8$tbg$2...@dont-email.me>

--
Lewis about nym-shifting Birdbrain:
"Typical narcissist troll, thinks his shit is so grand he has the right to
try to force it on everyone
MID: <slrnq16c27....@jaka.local>

[Peeler]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country whose
> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
> better.

WTF has this shit got to do with the two ngs you crossposted it to, you
absolutely idiotic senile sucker of troll cock?

[Colin Bignell]

On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Are Russians wimps now?  Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>> whatever that means.
>>>
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>
>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country whose
>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>> better.
>
> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.

You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.

> What makes the Russians any different?
>
> Either he's short of cash or he's weeding out the weaker soldiers.

--
Colin Bignell

[Peeler]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:21:17 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.

He's trolling you, you especially retarded troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE!

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:21:17 -0000, Colin Bignell <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Are Russians wimps now? Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>
>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country whose
>>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>>> better.
>>
>> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.
>
> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.

I didn't make it up, they did a test, to the death!

Are you one of those believers in the myth of dying in 15 minutes? Mythbusters changed that to 2 hours, and I myself have gone swimming (and scuba diving without a wimpsuit) for over 2 hours. You just shiver violently, especially diving since you lose a lot of heat through your head. Difficult (and probably illegal) to drive a car and impossible to ride a bicycle, but in 30 minutes you're warmed up just by shivering.

15 minutes in icy water does absolutely nothing to me apart from goosebumps. I don't even chatter my teeth until 30 minutes. Just try it, you'll be surprised. And if you want to be a wimp, there are plenty Youtube videos of people sitting in icebaths for an hour or so. Burns 1600 calories an hour! More fun than eating less food!

[Tim+]

Colin Bignell <c...@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Are Russians wimps now?  Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>
>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country whose
>>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>>> better.
>>
>> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.
>
> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.

This was a pretty amazing story of survival turned into a film. By all
account soldiers didn’t fare well in cold water compared to an Icelandic
fisherman.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1764275/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk

Tim


--
Please don't feed the trolls

[Commander Kinsey]

What makes me laugh is people wearing warm clothing that doesn't work. I used to windsurf regularly with friends, they all wore wetsuits, I wore shorts. I thought I was being brave then was disappointed to find I was actually warmer. You see when you fall in with a wetsuit, you get wet and stay wet. I dried off in a couple of minutes in the wind.

[Colin Bignell]

Was he naked though? That is the part that makes it unbelievable. In
water, you lose most heat through the genital region. Keep that
insulated and it greatly improves your chance of survival.


--
Colin Bignell

[Colin Bignell]

Wetsuits work very well when diving. The layer of water between the skin
and the suit quickly warms up. I suspect a dry suit might be better for
windsurfing.

--
Colin Bignell

[Commander Kinsey]

Utter bullshit. Your penis shrinks and your testicles retract, so the surface area is vastly reduced. Compared to the entire body they're not that big. I don't get cold faster naked than in speedos/shorts. And normal clothes don't insulate you anyway, as the water goes straight through.

[Commander Kinsey]

Divers usually use drysuits actually. Diving or windsurfing, the water can move through the "rubber" quite easily. The same water doesn't stay.

However I never use either for either, I'd be embarrassed to do so! A male of the species getting cold, ROTFPMSL!

[Rod Speed]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 11:23:00 +1100, Colin Bignell

Gotta cite for that ? Sounds very unlikely.

[Bob F]

Really? Even after it shrinks to next to nothing? Women of course would
have no problem at all then.

"The body constantly generates and radiates heat to its surroundings.
The body loses most of its heat when submerged in cold water from the
head, neck, sides of the chest (both ribcage and armpits), and groin.

Due to higher blood flow in the head and neck than in the rest of the
body, 40 to 45 percent of body heat is lost through the head and neck.
The majority of body heat is produced by deep organs, including the
brain, liver, heart, and by skeletal muscle contraction."

[Commander Kinsey]

You see those turrets on the front? They're not for shooting weapons, despite the film Austin Powers. Large surface area there.

Also, if a woman gets horny, does icy water enter the pussy? I bet that feels good.

> "The body constantly generates and radiates heat to its surroundings.
> The body loses most of its heat when submerged in cold water from the
> head, neck, sides of the chest (both ribcage and armpits), and groin.

The body radiates way less heat when it decides to conserve it.

I've tested this. If I go into an ice bath for 45 minutes, it takes me 30 minutes to warm back up afterwards. If I get in for 2 hours it also takes me 30 minutes to warm back up. Hence I was no longer getting colder after 45 minutes. Because my body had adjusted to form an equilibrium.

> Due to higher blood flow in the head and neck than in the rest of the
> body, 40 to 45 percent of body heat is lost through the head and neck.

That's a myth. People used to think wearing a hat and scarf was more important than a jacket. It's utter bullshit.

> The majority of body heat is produced by deep organs, including the
> brain, liver, heart, and by skeletal muscle contraction."

And brown fat cells on command.

[Dean Hoffman]

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:35:55 PM UTC-6, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> Are Russians wimps now? Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death" whatever that means.
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/

There's an article here discussing the effects of cold.
<https://www.bbc.com/news/health-63602501>

[Commander Kinsey]

Absolute and utter shite, it's well known the cold improves the immune system. It just isn't natural to live in a warm house.

[Xeno]

On 28/11/2022 8:21 am, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Are Russians wimps now?  Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>
>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country whose
>>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>>> better.
>>
>> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.
>
> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.

Not even that. 15 minutes with some sort of protective gear and a
flotation device in 0C temp water.

>
>> What makes the Russians any different?
>>
>> Either he's short of cash or he's weeding out the weaker soldiers.
>

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[Xeno]

On 28/11/2022 8:51 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:21:17 -0000, Colin Bignell
> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
>>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Are Russians wimps now?  Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>>
>>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country
>>>> whose
>>>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>>>> better.
>>>
>>> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.
>>
>> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
>> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
>> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.
>
> I didn't make it up, they did a test, to the death!
>
> Are you one of those believers in the myth of dying in 15 minutes?
> Mythbusters changed that to 2 hours, and I myself have gone swimming
> (and scuba diving without a wimpsuit) for over 2 hours.  You just shiver

Well, that explains your brain damage.

> violently, especially diving since you lose a lot of heat through your
> head.  Difficult (and probably illegal) to drive a car and impossible to
> ride a bicycle, but in 30 minutes you're warmed up just by shivering.
>
> 15 minutes in icy water does absolutely nothing to me apart from
> goosebumps.  I don't even chatter my teeth until 30 minutes.  Just try
> it, you'll be surprised.  And if you want to be a wimp, there are plenty
> Youtube videos of people sitting in icebaths for an hour or so.  Burns
> 1600 calories an hour!   More fun than eating less food!

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 02:52:10 -0000, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 28/11/2022 8:21 am, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
>>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Are Russians wimps now? Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>>
>>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country whose
>>>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>>>> better.
>>>
>>> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.
>>
>> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
>> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
>> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.
>
> Not even that. 15 minutes with some sort of protective gear and a
> flotation device in 0C temp water.

Do you believe all the shite you read? You can find the existance of god on the internet, it doesn't mean he's real.

Just try it, go swimming naked in ice cold water, in 15 minutes you won't even be shivering.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 02:53:34 -0000, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 28/11/2022 8:51 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:21:17 -0000, Colin Bignell
>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Are Russians wimps now? Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country
>>>>> whose
>>>>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.
>>>
>>> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
>>> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
>>> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.
>>
>> I didn't make it up, they did a test, to the death!
>>
>> Are you one of those believers in the myth of dying in 15 minutes?
>> Mythbusters changed that to 2 hours, and I myself have gone swimming
>> (and scuba diving without a wimpsuit) for over 2 hours. You just shiver
>
> Well, that explains your brain damage.

What on earth makes you think the brain is damaged by a drop of a few degrees C in blood temperature?

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 02:53:34 -0000, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 28/11/2022 8:51 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:21:17 -0000, Colin Bignell
>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Are Russians wimps now? Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country
>>>>> whose
>>>>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.
>>>
>>> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
>>> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
>>> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.
>>
>> I didn't make it up, they did a test, to the death!
>>
>> Are you one of those believers in the myth of dying in 15 minutes?
>> Mythbusters changed that to 2 hours, and I myself have gone swimming
>> (and scuba diving without a wimpsuit) for over 2 hours. You just shiver
>
> Well, that explains your brain damage.

Ah, you're an Aussie. The country which doesn't allow kids to swim in an outdoor pool if the temperature is under 20C. You're breeding a nation of wimps. Just as well you never go to war.

[Peeler]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 00:28:10 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> Wetsuits work very well when diving. The layer of water between the skin
> and the suit quickly warms up. I suspect a dry suit might be better for
> windsurfing.

I suspect it would suit you a lot better if you removed the unwashed
Scottish wanker's cock from your filthy cocksucking mouth some time, senile
cocksucker!

[Peeler]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:07:01 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 88-year-old senile Australian
cretin's pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

[Peeler]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 18:04:39 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman, another mentally
deficient, troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, babbled again:

> There's an article here discussing the effects of cold.
> <https://www.bbc.com/news/health-63602501>

There's an old adage on Usenet, you troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE: Don't feed
the troll!

[Colin Bignell]

Not when I did it.

> Diving or windsurfing, the water
> can move through the "rubber" quite easily.  The same water doesn't stay.
>
> However I never use either for either, I'd be embarrassed to do so!  A
> male of the species getting cold, ROTFPMSL!

--
Colin Bignell

[Colin Bignell]

The groin is part of the genital region.

> Due to higher blood flow in the head and neck than in the rest of the
> body, 40 to 45 percent of body heat is lost through the head and neck.
> The majority of body heat is produced by deep organs, including the
> brain, liver, heart, and by skeletal muscle contraction."

The 40-45% claim is based upon flawed information from the 1970s.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/dec/17/medicalresearch-humanbehaviour


--
Colin Bignell

[Colin Bignell]

On 27/11/2022 21:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:21:17 -0000, Colin Bignell
> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
>>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Are Russians wimps now?  Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>>
>>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country
>>>> whose
>>>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>>>> better.
>>>
>>> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.
>>
>> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
>> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
>> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.
>
> I didn't make it up, they did a test, to the death!
>
> Are you one of those believers in the myth of dying in 15 minutes?

I didn't say dying, however, after about 15 minutes the loss of motor
control is severe and will prevent someone in open water from being able
to do anything to rescue themselves.

> Mythbusters changed that to 2 hours, and I myself have gone swimming
> (and scuba diving without a wimpsuit) for over 2 hours.  You just shiver
> violently, especially diving since you lose a lot of heat through your
> head.  Difficult (and probably illegal) to drive a car and impossible to
> ride a bicycle, but in 30 minutes you're warmed up just by shivering.
>
> 15 minutes in icy water does absolutely nothing to me apart from
> goosebumps.  I don't even chatter my teeth until 30 minutes.  Just try
> it, you'll be surprised.  And if you want to be a wimp, there are plenty
> Youtube videos of people sitting in icebaths for an hour or so.  Burns
> 1600 calories an hour!   More fun than eating less food!

You didn't say you meant an ice bath. That is a limited body of water
and lacks one of the main causes of heat loss in open water - the
movement of the water.


--
Colin Bignell

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 27/11/2022 20:42, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Are Russians wimps now?  Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>> whatever that means.
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>
> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country whose
> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
> better.
>

Russia is not concerned over a few thousand grunts. The country is run
by oligarchs for oligarchs and the peasants can go fuck themselves. They
are subjected to stream of political lies designed to cover up the
truth, are used, abused, and sent to Ukraine to die.
The Russian state is the epitome of socialist zero sum economics. The
less people there are the richer are the ones left.
UNFORTUNATELY this method fails utterly when you DO want actual manpower
that is well trained fit and loyal to the State.
And don't have enough hi-tech to do without it


--
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― Jean Claud Jüncker

[Peeler]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 08:50:42 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> I didn't say dying

I did tell you already that this is OFF TOPIC sick trollshit, you
troll-feeding senile CRETIN! Keep your sick shit out of these ngs, you
senile pest!

[Peeler]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 08:32:55 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> Not when I did it.

Did what? Feed the troll, you senile ASSHOLE?

[Colin Bignell]

On 28/11/2022 09:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 27/11/2022 20:42, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Are Russians wimps now?  Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>> whatever that means.
>>>
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>
>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country
>> whose winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its
>> troop better.
>>
> Russia is not concerned over a few thousand grunts.

Very WW2, although probably without Commissars behind the troops,
waiting to shoot any who run away.

> The country is run
> by oligarchs for oligarchs and the peasants can go fuck themselves. They
> are subjected to stream of political lies designed to cover up the
> truth, are used, abused, and sent to Ukraine to die.

They were probably better off under Alexander II

> The Russian state is the epitome of socialist zero sum economics. The
> less people there are the richer are the ones left.

The Russian Federation does not claim to be socialist. It is clearly
capitalist, with socialist aspects, such as free health care.

> UNFORTUNATELY this method fails utterly when you DO want actual manpower
> that is well trained fit and loyal to the State.
> And don't have enough hi-tech to do without it
>
>

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[Brian Gaff]

Erm, why are you worrying about this? As I recall they fell foull of winter
many moons ago in Finland and Norway.
Bad preperation.
Brian

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[Colin Bignell]

On 28/11/2022 12:02, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Erm, why are you worrying about this? As I recall they fell foull of winter
> many moons ago in Finland and Norway.
> Bad preperation.
> Brian
>

The Finns also were not that well prepared back then. They had a machine
gun that froze solid in winter. Otherwise, it did very well in the
trials, which were held in the summer.


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[Peeler]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:02:35 -0000, Brainless & Daft, the TV-watching and
pity-baiting senile "blind" mole, blathered again:

> Erm, why are you worrying about this? As I recall they fell foull of winter
> many moons ago in Finland and Norway.
> Bad preperation.

> Brainless & Daft

Yep, YOU sick old swine were still missing on the long list of troll-feeding
senile assholes in this thread, you miserable disgusting troll-feeding
senile cretin! Where have you been so long? You are usually among the first
to feed the clinically insane trolling attention whore.

[Commander Kinsey]

Water temperature?

[Commander Kinsey]

Even after reading this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groin
I can't work out how far the "groin" extends. Does it include the entirety of your thigh muscles?

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 08:50:42 -0000, Colin Bignell <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 27/11/2022 21:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:21:17 -0000, Colin Bignell
>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:42:06 -0000, Colin Bignell
>>>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Are Russians wimps now? Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country
>>>>> whose
>>>>> winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its troop
>>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> An American Marine can survive 6 hours in 0C water with no clothes on.
>>>
>>> You just made that up, or somebody has been lying to you. An hour might
>>> almost be believable, but no more, and they wouldn't be able to do much
>>> after the first 15 minutes, except float there and slowly freeze.
>>
>> I didn't make it up, they did a test, to the death!
>>
>> Are you one of those believers in the myth of dying in 15 minutes?
>
> I didn't say dying, however, after about 15 minutes the loss of motor
> control is severe and will prevent someone in open water from being able
> to do anything to rescue themselves.

Except that simply doesn't happen. It takes me 30 minutes to even shiver, and that doesn't stop me being able to move my limbs normally. Even after 2 hours I can easily swim, get out and walk around and open a rucksack and grab some food just like normal.

>> Mythbusters changed that to 2 hours, and I myself have gone swimming
>> (and scuba diving without a wimpsuit) for over 2 hours. You just shiver
>> violently, especially diving since you lose a lot of heat through your
>> head. Difficult (and probably illegal) to drive a car and impossible to
>> ride a bicycle, but in 30 minutes you're warmed up just by shivering.
>>
>> 15 minutes in icy water does absolutely nothing to me apart from
>> goosebumps. I don't even chatter my teeth until 30 minutes. Just try
>> it, you'll be surprised. And if you want to be a wimp, there are plenty
>> Youtube videos of people sitting in icebaths for an hour or so. Burns
>> 1600 calories an hour! More fun than eating less food!
>
> You didn't say you meant an ice bath. That is a limited body of water
> and lacks one of the main causes of heat loss in open water - the
> movement of the water.

I've done both. And actually shivering moves it a fair bit! And I have been known to put a pond pump in it to circulate the water.

[Commander Kinsey]

They are rescuing the Ukraine. They really don't want to end up in the Nazi EU.

[Commander Kinsey]

Should have kept it under their clothes, like you do with a digital camera when hillwalking in winter.

[Commander Kinsey]

Just mentioning I thought Russians were tougher than that.

[Commander Kinsey]

Actually I'd say neither is colder than the other. Movement of water cools you faster. But your own movement to swim or tread water makes up for it.

[Colin Bignell]

No idea, but it was at university, so Scotland from Autumn through to
Spring.


--
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[Colin Bignell]

It was a bit bigger than a digital camera:

http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/FinAT/finatrifle/13mm.jpg

--
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[Peeler]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:11:48 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> No idea, but it was at university, so Scotland from Autumn through to
> Spring.

Keep your sick shit out of these ngs, you despicable, cretinous,
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE!

[Peeler]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:32:38 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> It was a bit bigger than a digital camera:
>
> http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/FinAT/finatrifle/13mm.jpg

Yet more of your notoriously off topic senile shit, you idiotic senile
shithead?

[rbowman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

Häyhä did quite well for himself with a Finnish variant of the Mosin-
Nagant. Scopes tended to fog up so he preferred iron sights.

[Commander Kinsey]

So including all winter? Well usually lakes get cold enough to freeze over and the sea is about 5C. So you're not quite as wimpy as the average diver. Go onto a diving forum and they're pathetic, everything's either health and softy or temperature. Maybe uni students are a bit tougher than the oldies.

[Commander Kinsey]

Ah, I assumed you meant a handheld one. Couldn't they have lit a fire under it like lorry drivers do with their diesel engines? I had to start my diesel VW golf by putting a fanheater under the bonnet once when it dropped to -19C.

[Commander Kinsey]

Something went terribly terribly wrong with that link. You meant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä

[rbowman]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:26:00 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


> Ah, I assumed you meant a handheld one. Couldn't they have lit a fire
> under it like lorry drivers do with their diesel engines? I had to
> start my diesel VW golf by putting a fanheater under the bonnet once
> when it dropped to -19C.

https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Lahti_L-39

When i was a kid there were ads for mail order firearms, most WWII
surplus. You could buy a Carcano for $19.95 if you wanted to go hunting
big game in Texas, but I lusted after the 20mm, ski mounted anti-tank
rifle. Unfortunately my budget was more in line with buying a couple of
tubes of BBs.

That was evil, setting up a decoy and using it as a counter-sniper rifle.
A 20mm bullet could really ruin your day. They weight 120 grams or 1852
grains. For reference, the 9x19mm Parabellum usually is 115 or 124 grains,
although the subsonic loads use 147 gr.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:24:46 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


> So including all winter? Well usually lakes get cold enough to freeze
> over and the sea is about 5C. So you're not quite as wimpy as the
> average diver. Go onto a diving forum and they're pathetic,
> everything's either health and softy or temperature. Maybe uni students
> are a bit tougher than the oldies.

No, the tough, rugged uni students are dead before they get to be oldies.
Like they say about flying, there are old pilots and bold pilots but there
ain't no old bold pilots.

[rbowman]

Yeah, Pan put in the UTF-8 escape characters for the a with an umlaut.

https://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_urlencode.ASP

It works for me in Brave, which is chromium based, and Tor which is a
Firefox fork although it's converted back on the url.

I'm happy to report that Tor came out of a rabbit hole in Germany and
there was Jimmy Wales begging for Euros.

[Commander Kinsey]

I used to think yanks were daft for owning guns, but this sounds fun. Blowing stuff up is cool.

[Commander Kinsey]

Bullshit. If you don't take risks you never get anywhere. And diving in chilly water is hardly life threatening.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:35:47 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:27:16 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:54:58 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:41:28 +0000, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/11/2022 12:02, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>> Erm, why are you worrying about this? As I recall they fell foull of
>>>>> winter many moons ago in Finland and Norway.
>>>>> Bad preperation.
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The Finns also were not that well prepared back then. They had a
>>>> machine gun that froze solid in winter. Otherwise, it did very well in
>>>> the trials, which were held in the summer.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4
>>>
>>> Häyhä did quite well for himself with a Finnish variant of the Mosin-
>>> Nagant. Scopes tended to fog up so he preferred iron sights.
>>
>> Something went terribly terribly wrong with that link. You meant
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä
>
> Yeah, Pan put in the UTF-8 escape characters for the a with an umlaut.

And why did my browser and/or Wikipedia's server not understand UTF-8?

Seems from what you wrote below some browsers work. I shall complain to Opera (Norwegian shit).

Drat. Pasting it into Firefox, Chrome, Edge, or indeed Opera works just fine. It seems it's this newsreader (also Opera but discontinued long long ago) isn't passing it through properly, it ends up as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä which is just bullshit.

[Rod Speed]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 19:42:31 +1100, Colin Bignell
<c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 28/11/2022 01:24, Bob F wrote:

>> On 11/27/2022 4:23 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:

>>> On 27/11/2022 21:53, Tim+ wrote:
>>>> Colin Bignell <c...@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 27/11/2022 20:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:

>>> Was he naked though? That is the part that makes it unbelievable. In
>>> water, you lose most heat through the genital region. Keep that
>>> insulated and it greatly improves your chance of survival.
>>>
>>>
>> Really? Even after it shrinks to next to nothing? Women of course
>> would have no problem at all then.
>> "The body constantly generates and radiates heat to its surroundings.
>> The body loses most of its heat when submerged in cold water from the
>> head, neck, sides of the chest (both ribcage and armpits), and groin.
>
> The groin is part of the genital region.
>

>> Due to higher blood flow in the head and neck than in the rest of the
>> body, 40 to 45 percent of body heat is lost through the head and neck.
>> The majority of body heat is produced by deep organs, including the
>> brain, liver, heart, and by skeletal muscle contraction."
>
> The 40-45% claim is based upon flawed information from the 1970s.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/dec/17/medicalresearch-humanbehaviour

But the link in that article doesnt work and that guardian article doesnt
even
say that those two authors make you claim about most of the heat being lost
thru the genital region.

Interesting that they allegedly also refute the claim that sleeping just
after eating the evening meal puts on more weight than not going to sleep
immediately after eating.

But I would like to see the evidence for their claims and can't seem to
find it.

[chop]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:12:00 +1100, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 27/11/2022 20:42, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Are Russians wimps now? Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>> whatever that means.
>>>
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country
>> whose winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared its
>> troop better.

> Russia is not concerned over a few thousand grunts.

They have lost more than a few thousand and not just grunts either,
they have lost quite a few senior officers due to the way they do that
stuff with more of them right where the action is than the west has.

> The country is run by oligarchs for oligarchs and the peasants can go
> fuck themselves. They are subjected to stream of political lies designed
> to cover up the truth, are used, abused, and sent to Ukraine to die.

> The Russian state is the epitome of socialist zero sum economics. The
> less people there are the richer are the ones left.

Russia doesn't work like that either.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:43:10 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


> Seems from what you wrote below some browsers work. I shall complain to
> Opera (Norwegian shit).

How old is your Opera? It's now a chromium derivative too. With Microsoft
using chromium for Edge there aren't many browsers left that aren't either
chromium or firefox derivatives, except for Apple. Even if you get another
browser on an Apple device it still uses their crappy engine.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:39:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


> I used to think yanks were daft for owning guns, but this sounds fun.
> Blowing stuff up is cool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite

I don't suppose you get to play with that either. No wonder you have to
drive like a maniac and swim with the polar bears to escape from boredom.

[Peeler]

On 29 Nov 2022 01:25:19 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> No, the tough, rugged uni students are dead before they get to be oldies.
> Like they say about flying, there are old pilots and bold pilots but there
> ain't no old bold pilots.

FINALLY back to sucking the unwashed wanker's cock again, you devoted
cocksucking whore? What took you so long, you weird Yankee bigmouth? LOL

--
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DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
'We keep God's time in Virginia.'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while."

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[Peeler]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:26:48 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

--
The Natural Philosopher about senile Rodent:
"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID: <pu07vj$s5$2...@dont-email.me>

[Peeler]

On 29 Nov 2022 01:22:48 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Lahti_L-39
>
> When i was a kid

Oh, NO! The senile blather starts again...! Can't someone put a muzzle over
that Yankee gossip's big mouth?

--
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"My family loaded me into a '51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in '52. I'm alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going."
MID: <j2kuc1...@mid.individual.net>

[Peeler]

On 29 Nov 2022 06:16:23 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> I don't suppose you get to play with that either.

YOU certainly get to play with the unwashed Scottish wanker's cock time and
again, gossip girl, you his most devoted eternal whore! <BG>

--
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"Usenet is my blog... I don't give a damn if anyone ever reads my posts
but they are useful in marshaling [sic] my thoughts."
MID: <iteioi...@mid.individual.net>

[Colin Bignell]

On 29/11/2022 00:26, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:32:38 -0000, Colin Bignell
> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 28/11/2022 16:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:41:28 -0000, Colin Bignell
>>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/11/2022 12:02, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>> Erm, why are you worrying about this? As I recall they fell foull of
>>>>> winter
>>>>> many moons ago in Finland and Norway.
>>>>>   Bad preperation.
>>>>>   Brian
>>>>
>>>> The Finns also were not that well prepared back then. They had a
>>>> machine
>>>> gun that froze solid in winter. Otherwise, it did very well in the
>>>> trials, which were held in the summer.
>>>
>>> Should have kept it under their clothes, like you do with a digital
>>> camera when hillwalking in winter.
>>
>> It was a bit bigger than a digital camera:
>>
>> http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/FinAT/finatrifle/13mm.jpg
>
> Ah, I assumed you meant a handheld one.

I think you are confusing machine gun with sub-machine gun. The latter
has it origins in the trenches of WW1 and the need for advancing troops
to lay down a lot of fire as they advanced. Machine guns are designed to
be mounted on tripods, on gun carriages or in vehicles, despite images
of Rambo walking around with one in his hands. Between the two come
light machine guns, like the Bren, which can be fired from the hip, but
are better fired from a bipod.

> Couldn't they have lit a fire
> under it like lorry drivers do with their diesel engines?  I had to
> start my diesel VW golf by putting a fanheater under the bonnet once
> when it dropped to -19C.

It was useless in its role as an anti-tank gun, unable to penetrate the
armour of the lightest tanks until very, very close, so it wasn't really
worth it.


--
Colin Bignell

[Peeler]

On 28 Nov 2022 22:54:58 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4
>
> Häyhä did quite well for himself with a Finnish variant of the Mosin-
> Nagant. Scopes tended to fog up so he preferred iron sights.

Bigmouth is at it again: bigmouthing! But, thanks to his big mouth, he's
also a great sucker of troll cock. Innit, you abnormal endlessly gossiping
Yankietard? LOL

--
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"It's been years since I've been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy's because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes."
MID: <ivdi4g...@mid.individual.net>

[Peeler]

On 29 Nov 2022 01:35:47 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Yeah, Pan put in the UTF-8 escape characters for the a with an umlaut.
>
> https://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_urlencode.ASP
>
> It works for me in Brave, which is chromium based, and Tor which is a
> Firefox fork although it's converted back on the url.
>
> I'm happy to report that Tor came out of a rabbit hole in Germany and
> there was Jimmy Wales begging for Euros.

Good grief! Just WTF is wrong with you, bigmouth? Will NOBODY in real life
listen to your always grandiloquent bullshit, you forsaken senile endlessly
gossiping Yank?

--
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"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you're going for a coronary might as well
do it right."
MID: <ivdi4g...@mid.individual.net>

[Peeler]

On 29 Nov 2022 06:10:08 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> How old is your Opera? It's now a chromium derivative too. With Microsoft
> using chromium for Edge there aren't many browsers left that aren't either
> chromium or firefox derivatives, except for Apple. Even if you get another
> browser on an Apple device it still uses their crappy engine.

LOL!!! Can't someone just make this endlessly driveling senile chatterbox
shut up?

[Colin Bignell]

Coastal waters only.

> So you're not quite as wimpy as the
> average diver.  Go onto a diving forum and they're pathetic,
> everything's either health and softy or temperature.  Maybe uni students
> are a bit tougher than the oldies.

I am from a different generation. Elfin safety had not been invented
and, in winter, it was not unusual to have to wipe frost flowers off the
inside of the bedroom window to look out. University was my first
encounter with central heating, having been brought up with coal fires
and living with the cold draughts needed to feed them with air.

--
Colin Bignell

[Peeler]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:50:13 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> I am from a different generation.

Yep, you are a troll-cock sucking useless senile cretin!

[Peeler]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:43:12 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> I think you are confusing machine gun with sub-machine gun.

I think you have to learn to keep your sick off topic shit out of these ngs,
you troll-feeding senile shithead!

[charles]

In article <1amcnRT5urG8Wxj-...@giganews.com>,

Colin Bignell <c...@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
> On 29/11/2022 00:26, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:32:38 -0000, Colin Bignell
> > <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On 28/11/2022 16:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:41:28 -0000, Colin Bignell
> >>> <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 28/11/2022 12:02, Brian Gaff wrote:
> >>>>> Erm, why are you worrying about this? As I recall they fell foull of
> >>>>> winter
> >>>>> many moons ago in Finland and Norway.
> >>>>> Bad preperation.
> >>>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>> The Finns also were not that well prepared back then. They had a
> >>>> machine
> >>>> gun that froze solid in winter. Otherwise, it did very well in the
> >>>> trials, which were held in the summer.
> >>>
> >>> Should have kept it under their clothes, like you do with a digital
> >>> camera when hillwalking in winter.
> >>
> >> It was a bit bigger than a digital camera:
> >>
> >> http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/FinAT/finatrifle/13mm.jpg
> >
> > Ah, I assumed you meant a handheld one.

> I think you are confusing machine gun with sub-machine gun. The latter
> has it origins in the trenches of WW1

The Gatling gun was patented in 1861 over 50 years before WWI

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[Colin Bignell]

Not something that could be carried by an advancing soldier though,
which was the point of the sub-machine gun.

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Colin Bignell

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 28/11/2022 10:10, Colin Bignell wrote:

> On 28/11/2022 09:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 27/11/2022 20:42, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2022 20:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Are Russians wimps now?  Apparently their soldiers "freeze to death"
>>>> whatever that means.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
>>>
>>> Exactly what it sounds like. You would have thought that a country
>>> whose winter defeated both Napoleon and Hitler would have prepared
>>> its troop better.
>>>
>> Russia is not concerned over a few thousand grunts.
>

> Very WW2, although probably without Commissars behind the troops,
> waiting to shoot any who run away.

>
>> The country is run by oligarchs for oligarchs and the peasants can go
>> fuck themselves. They are subjected to stream of political lies
>> designed to cover up the truth, are used, abused, and sent to Ukraine
>> to die.
>

> They were probably better off under Alexander II

>
>> The Russian state is the epitome of socialist zero sum economics. The
>> less people there are the richer are the ones left.
>

> The Russian Federation does not claim to be socialist. It is clearly
> capitalist, with socialist aspects, such as free health care.
>

No, its not capitalist, its simply communism whereby the state sold its
assets to a few oligarchs, and nothing changed

>> UNFORTUNATELY this method fails utterly when you DO want actual
>> manpower that is well trained fit and loyal to the State.
>> And don't have enough hi-tech to do without it
>>
>>
>

--
Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
Mark Twain

[Colin Bignell]

The change is that, mining apart, which is still mostly state run,
production is in the hands of private individuals, who make a profit
from it. That is a basic definition of capitalism.

>>> UNFORTUNATELY this method fails utterly when you DO want actual
>>> manpower that is well trained fit and loyal to the State.
>>> And don't have enough hi-tech to do without it
>>>
>>>
>>
>

--

Colin Bignell

[The Natural Philosopher]

No, it isn't.


--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

- John K Galbraith

[Colin Bignell]

It isn't the free-market capitalism that we have here and in the USA,
but the IMF recognise the Russian model as capitalism, specifically
Oligarchic capitalism.


--
Colin Bignell

[charles]

In article <tm4t2r$28t93$2...@dont-email.me>,

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

They didn't sell the assets to the oligarchs. They gave then to the
employees. The oligarchs bought the shares in exchange for a bottle of
vodka which was of greater interest to thee mployees who didn't understand
shares.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:11:48 +0000, Colin Bignell wrote:


> It isn't the free-market capitalism that we have here and in the USA,
> but the IMF recognise the Russian model as capitalism, specifically
> Oligarchic capitalism.

The US is a long ways from free market. For example there is no 'too big
to fail' in a free market, favorable government legislation and subsidies,
regulations resulting in an uneven playing field, and so forth.

We prefer to call our oligarchs something else.

[Commander Kinsey]

As I said later on in the post it's not Opera browser, it's Opera newsgroup reader (seperate program and no longer updated for years). It doesn't like the UTF whatsit and is passing on absolute garbage to the browser.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 06:10:08 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

You can't run chromium/firefox stuff on Apple?

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 06:16:23 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:39:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
>
>> I used to think yanks were daft for owning guns, but this sounds fun.
>> Blowing stuff up is cool.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite

Oh yeah. https://youtu.be/edRbcTXAijY?t=140

> I don't suppose you get to play with that either.

What is it made of? I bet you can buy it here as "fertiliser".

> No wonder you have to drive like a maniac

Merkins don't drive fayast?

> and swim with the polar bears to escape from boredom.

A lot of the world does that - in fact most places there's a lot of cold - Scandinavia, Canada, Russia. etc.

[Commander Kinsey]

Don't worry, we'll go back to it when resources run low. Can't wait.

[Peeler]

On 30 Nov 2022 02:41:29 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> The US is a long ways from free market. For example there is no 'too big
> to fail' in a free market, favorable government legislation and subsidies,
> regulations resulting in an uneven playing field, and so forth.
>
> We prefer to call our oligarchs something else.

Like what, bigmouth? You are never short of words. Why now? LOL

--

[Commander Kinsey]

Did they insist on that ridiculous tuition to get a certificate to let you dive? I've dived many times and never got taught how, I just googled it.

[Commander Kinsey]

I can fire all three by hand in a computer game. And carry all of them plus several different guns at once, while running uphill.

[Colin Bignell]

That is classified as big-firm capitalism, which is still considered to
be a free-market type.


--
Colin Bignell

[Colin Bignell]

It was an organised club, so I had to demonstrate things like I could
hold my breath underwater for two minutes to be certified.


--
Colin Bignell

[Colin Bignell]

Nor do they freeze solid in winter.

--
Colin Bignell

[Commander Kinsey]

You can install a mod to make your hands operate them less well when it's cold.

[Commander Kinsey]

You're not meant to hold your breath when scuba diving.

So nothing like the ridiculous £500 course you're meant to do now?

[Commander Kinsey]

No country is anywhere near free. The government is constantly interfering.

[Tim+]

Colin Bignell <c...@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

>
> It was an organised club, so I had to demonstrate things like I could
> hold my breath underwater for two minutes to be certified.
>

How long ago was this? I did PADI and BSAC training back in the mid 80s and
this was never a requirement. I rather suspect it was just your club. ;-)

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

[Colin Bignell]

On 30/11/2022 12:32, Tim+ wrote:
> Colin Bignell <c...@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> It was an organised club, so I had to demonstrate things like I could
>> hold my breath underwater for two minutes to be certified.
>>
>
> How long ago was this? I did PADI and BSAC training back in the mid 80s and
> this was never a requirement. I rather suspect it was just your club. ;-)

Much earlier than that. I am old enough to remember London Trams. By the
mid-80s I had long given up any pastime that required me to be fit :-)

--
Colin Bignell

[Colin Bignell]

You might not have choice if the equipment malfunctions.

> So nothing like the ridiculous £500 course you're meant to do now?

The course was provided by the university as part of their sports
programmes. ISTR there was a registration fee, but I forget how much.

--
Colin Bignell

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 12:32:23 -0000, Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Colin Bignell <c...@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> It was an organised club, so I had to demonstrate things like I could
>> hold my breath underwater for two minutes to be certified.
>>
>
> How long ago was this? I did PADI and BSAC training back in the mid 80s and
> this was never a requirement. I rather suspect it was just your club. ;-)

Actually it should be. If you need to change over to backup air, or borrow someone else's you need to be able to hold your breath inbetween. Although I would have thought anyone can hold their breath for 2 minutes. I can do about 3.5.

[Commander Kinsey]

Good point. Never having done any course as I'm not a health and softy sissy, I wouldn't know what the official requirements are.

>> So nothing like the ridiculous £500 course you're meant to do now?
>
> The course was provided by the university as part of their sports
> programmes. ISTR there was a registration fee, but I forget how much.

Did you have to learn or do other things to pass?

[Peeler]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:07:19 +0000, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> It was an organised club, so I had to demonstrate things like I could
> hold my breath underwater for two minutes to be certified.

Will you keep your sick senile SHIT out of these two newsgroups finally, you
useless idiotic troll-feeding senile pest?