O.T. Accurate rifles

[AK]

What have been your most accurate rifles?

I have used 22-250, and .308 using a 4X scope with reloaded rounds.

Both have had 1/4 inch groups.

I had a .41 magnum, but the groups have been less.

What has been your experience ?

Andy

[Snag]

At what range ? If at 100 yds , and with off the shelf firearms ...
you're either the finest marksman that ever lived or a liar .
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.41 magnum is a handgun round-- so you would expect it to be less
accurate, no?

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[rbowman]

+1

[Peeler]

On 3 Feb 2024 21:14:19 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
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> +1

Cool! Just like EVERYTHING about you! <BG>

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[AK]

100 yards.

I am no liar.

You must be a poor marksman. I suggest you practice more.

Andy

[AK]

You are right. The recoil is quite a bit. :-)

When I first got the gun, I could not hit a 9 x 11 piece of computer paper.

I wanted to sell the gun, but I kept practicing and got my groups down to 3 inches.

Andy

[rbowman]

What rifle did you use for this feat of marksmanship?

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/12/22/true-pair-two-new-
long-range-rifles-from-savage/

[Snag]

I get plenty of practice . I also get plenty of bench time working up
accurate loads for different firearms . I stand by my statement , if
you're getting quarter inch groups at a hundred yards you're not using
run of the mill over the counter firearms . That kind of accuracy comes
from purpose built and very expensive rifles .

[Snag]

And there you have it , even "precision rifles" costing over 1200
bucks only AVERAGE around 1 MOA . I've been working on loads for a
Remington 722* (mfd in 1961) chambered for .222 Remington . My best so
far is just under an inch at 100 using 21 gr of IMR 3031 with a Berger
52 gr match hpbt in 5.56 cases resized to .222 . I'm trying to match or
better that using Hornady 52 gr match hpbt's , haven't quite got there
yet but I'm close . Getting some "real" .222 cases might help ... as
would glass bedding the action .
*This rifle is equipped with a Leupold 3-9 Vari-X and a Timney
trigger . I'm thinking about swapping this scope , the crosshairs
completely hide a 1" bullseye at 100 yards . Fine for 'chucks or
squirrels out to a couple hundred but not optimum for paper punchin' .

[Dennis Kane]

On 2/1/2024 7:03 PM, AK wrote:
> What have been your most accurate rifles?
>
> I have used 22-250, and .308 using a 4X scope with reloaded rounds.
>
> Both have had 1/4 inch groups.
>
> I had a .41 magnum, but the groups have been less.

A .41 caliber bullet grouping less than 1/4 inch. Hmmm...

> What has been your experience ?
>
> Andy

Group size is a measure of repeatability, not accuracy. Without stating
the range, group size measured in inches is rather meaningless. Stating
repeatability to within, say 1 MOA (minute of angle), is much more
meaningful.

Accuracy is a measure of point of impact relative to point of aim. A 1
MOA group size 6 MOA away from point of aim may be repeatable, but not
very accurate.

Reproducibility is having a second or third shooter perform equally well
with the same rifle and ammunition.

Your claims of 1/4 MOA are impressive, although dubious. What rifles and
loads do you shoot? Do you compete with world-class marksmen?

[rbowman]

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:32:38 -0600, Snag wrote:

> And there you have it , even "precision rifles" costing over 1200
> bucks only AVERAGE around 1 MOA . I've been working on loads for a
> Remington 722* (mfd in 1961) chambered for .222 Remington . My best so
> far is just under an inch at 100 using 21 gr of IMR 3031 with a Berger
> 52 gr match hpbt in 5.56 cases resized to .222 . I'm trying to match or
> better that using Hornady 52 gr match hpbt's , haven't quite got there
> yet but I'm close . Getting some "real" .222 cases might help ... as
> would glass bedding the action .

Savage does good work. When they first came out I got an Axis (maybe an
Edge. There was a trademark issue and I forget which way it went) in .223.
It was about $300. It didn't have the Accu-Trigger but there was a Rifle
Basix drop in or you could do your own tweaking. Been a while so I forget
what powder I used with the Varmit Extreme 55 gr bullets. The cases were
one fired American Eagle cheapies. I could get 1 MOA prone with a bipod.

A Nikon Prostaff with a BDC reticle seemed like a good idea at the time
but I didn't like all the clutter and picking the right line for 400
meters was a challenge.

I'd been doing Appleseed with ..22LR at 25 meters and wanted something
with a little more range without dropping a lot of money. .223 is much
more pleasant than 7.62x54R and the old three-line is good for minute of
Bambi although handloading some Prvi Partizan brass helped. It preferred .
303 bullets which are .311 because of the Brits strange ideas better than
the more common .308 offerings.

[Peeler]

On 4 Feb 2024 02:30:38 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>> 100 yards.
>>
>> I am no liar.
>>
>> You must be a poor marksman. I suggest you practice more.
>>
>> Andy
>
> What rifle did you use for this feat of marksmanship?

Afraid that someone is cooler and better than you and surpassing your own
obnoxious American heroship, you all-American superhero, bigmouth and
devoted Trumptard? LMAO

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[Peeler]

On 4 Feb 2024 05:27:04 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Savage does good work. When they first came out I got an Axis

Let's put it bluntly: all you got is a big mouth!

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[rbowman]

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 21:05:33 -0800, Dennis Kane wrote:

> Your claims of 1/4 MOA are impressive, although dubious. What rifles and
> loads do you shoot? Do you compete with world-class marksmen?

Wonder where he is in this lineup?

https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011/10/regional-at-deep-creek-
montanas-home-of-world-records/

Or maybe this group

https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/deep-creek-range/

That Kulzer guy is a slacker with a 2.69 10 shot group (at 1000 yards).

Those guys are a pain in the butt anyway :) The 1000 yard range is
perpendicular to and fires over all the other ranges so they're closed
when the 1000 yard guys are in town. There is a 500 meter range down by
the 1000 yard target berm than I sometimes use.

[Peeler]

On 4 Feb 2024 20:12:32 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Those guys are a pain in the butt anyway :)

Oh, the IRONY! LOL

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[Hiram T Schwantz]

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:01:11 -0600, Snag posted for all of us to digest...

>
> I get plenty of practice . I also get plenty of bench time working up
> accurate loads for different firearms . I stand by my statement , if
> you're getting quarter inch groups at a hundred yards you're not using
> run of the mill over the counter firearms . That kind of accuracy comes
> from purpose built and very expensive rifles .
> --
> Snag
>

Remember, he has back issues so maybe he times the twitches...

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