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James Gagney
Sep 1, 2012, 9:41:43 PM9/1/12
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Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
wouldn't make a dent.
See picture here:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
where there is no electricity available?
wouldn't make a dent.
See picture here:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
where there is no electricity available?
Smitty Two
Sep 1, 2012, 9:49:29 PM9/1/12
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In article <k1udgn$4f5$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
Drill bits aren't supposed to make dents.
To drill metal, you need a sharp, quality drill bit. Not the cheapo home
improvement center bits. You also need some cutting oil, although
lubricating oil will do in a pinch. Also, start with a 1/8" drill and
work your way up. High RPM for the small bit, lower as you get bigger.
Lastly, lean into it. WIth a drill press, the quill handle gives you a
lot of mechanical advantage without you necessarily being aware of it.
WIth a handheld drill, you have to put your weight behind it. If you
don't, the drill will just get dull, rapidly.
For the guard rail, since it's curved, you might want to center punch it
to keep the drill from walking.
To drill metal, you need a sharp, quality drill bit. Not the cheapo home
improvement center bits. You also need some cutting oil, although
lubricating oil will do in a pinch. Also, start with a 1/8" drill and
work your way up. High RPM for the small bit, lower as you get bigger.
Lastly, lean into it. WIth a drill press, the quill handle gives you a
lot of mechanical advantage without you necessarily being aware of it.
WIth a handheld drill, you have to put your weight behind it. If you
don't, the drill will just get dull, rapidly.
For the guard rail, since it's curved, you might want to center punch it
to keep the drill from walking.
Steve B
Sep 1, 2012, 10:55:07 PM9/1/12
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(less than 1/4") bit. Graduate up from there in size. Don't overspin the
bit. As long as you are getting cuttings, it's working. Don't spin your
bit so fast that it gets hot and doesn't get a bite. You will just dull the
bit, and if there's seashell looking coloration on the bit, it's been over
heated. It's working perfectly when you get long spiral waste out of your
cuttings. You might have to grab hold of something, or have someone push on
your back to get some meat into the cutting end of the bit. That metal is
hot dipped galvanized, but it is not that hard.
HTH
Steve
Dean Hoffman
Sep 1, 2012, 10:58:56 PM9/1/12
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the can. Another thought would be an over door hanger of some sort.
Would an animal feed bucket fit your needs? Or this
http://tinyurl.com/9y3q846 ? It's supposed to hold a five gallon bucket.
Dan Espen
Sep 1, 2012, 11:12:25 PM9/1/12
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own...
Are you sure the owner wants holes drilled in his railing?
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Sep 1, 2012, 11:12:24 PM9/1/12
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Harry K
Sep 1, 2012, 11:21:40 PM9/1/12
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On Sep 1, 8:14 pm, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "James Gagney" <jamesgagneyGARB...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
As well as the 'center punch' and "lean on it" advice, get a titanium
drill bit. Probably not really needed but
they are designed for 'hard material'.
Harry K
> "James Gagney" <jamesgagneyGARB...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
drill bit. Probably not really needed but
they are designed for 'hard material'.
Harry K
micky
Sep 2, 2012, 12:04:17 AM9/2/12
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that.
Consider attaching the clamp to the garbage can instead of the guard
rail.
If you do attach to the guard raile, consider that when your garbage
can wears out, they might not be selling new ones of the same shape.
(Although my plastic cans are 30 and 25 years old. One of the 30-year
old ones got several vertical splits in it, and the garbage men took
it and kept it. (Another time, someone stole the rectangular lid to
a borrowed plastic can with wheels. I think it waw the garbage man
because no one else was around. A couple weeks later, a repacement
lid was left, same brand, but one size bigger) )
Ed Pawlowski
Sep 2, 2012, 12:06:19 AM9/2/12
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A guy at work was having a similar problem drilling a hole in metal.
He brought the bit to the maintenance supervisor and had is sharpened.
Still would not drill right and he kidded the guy about his poor
sharpening skills.
The supervisor then went over, picked up his drill and changed it from
reverse to forward.
micky
Sep 2, 2012, 1:12:58 AM9/2/12
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she runs. It didn't cut. I'm glad I checked the chain. On
backwards. Maybe that's why t hey left it behind.
nestork
Sep 2, 2012, 1:13:23 AM9/2/12
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James:
The problem is likely to be a dull drill bit.
That guard rail is most likely made of mild steel that has a Rockwell
Hardness of about Rc=35. Your drill bit looks like just a high speed
steel bit, and it's got a hardness of about Rc=50 or so. So, if that
were a sharp bit, you should have made some progress.
If you were wanting advice from me on buying a new SET of drill bits,
I'd tell you to buy a set of cobalt steel drill bits. These are the
brownish coloured ones that look like this:
http://tinyurl.com/9flojkd
Cobalt steel bits provide for the best economy because they're made from
a considerably harder kind of steel than high speed steel. Cobalt steel
has a Rc hardness of about 65 or so. That results in the drill bit
dulling slower than a HSS bit. And, if you dull a cobalt steel drill
bit, you can have it sharpened, and you've effectively got a new drill
bit for the $2 or $3 cost of sharpening it.
But, for a one-time project like this one, my advice to you would be to
buy a titanium nitride coated drill bit of the size you need. Titanium
nitride coated drill bits are the gold coloured ones that look like
this:
http://tinyurl.com/9llqgm6
Titanium nitride coated drill bits are nothing more than high speed
steel drill bits with a SUPER hard coating on them. The hardness of
that titanium nitride is about Rc = low 80's or so; 81, 82, 83 maybe.
But, that's vastly harder than anything else on the market so titanium
nitride bits will make the fastest progress and get dull the slowest.
For a one time project like this, I'd pay a few dollars for a titanium
nitride bit in the size you need, and just chuck it once it gets dull.
You CAN have titanium nitride bits sharpened, but sharpening them grinds
off the super hard titanium nitride cutting edges at the front of the
bit, so you're effectively left with a sharp high speed steel bit that
will dull just as quickly as any other high speed steel drill bit.
And, as previously suggested, I'd use a cutting oil if you have any. If
not, just stop frequently and use a Q-tip to apply any kinda oil (even
cooking oil or engine oil) onto the hole you're making. That'll help to
keep the drill bit cool.
--
nestork
Stormin Mormon
Sep 2, 2012, 5:58:26 AM9/2/12
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That's pretty much what I was going to write. Prick punch, to get the
location started. Brand new bit, 1/8. Use the next size larger, after that.
Can also drill from the inside out, which will help with the drill bit
wandering.
Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
Christopher A. Young
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location started. Brand new bit, 1/8. Use the next size larger, after that.
Can also drill from the inside out, which will help with the drill bit
wandering.
Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Jim Elbrecht
Sep 2, 2012, 7:52:15 AM9/2/12
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better luck drilling that.
Use a sharp bit. Or use a $20 Harbor freight magnet.
Jim
[not to be a nanny-- but is that *your* hardware you're trying to
drill a hole in?]
Tegger
Sep 2, 2012, 7:58:08 AM9/2/12
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> Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet,
> to make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
Who makes a jacketed .22 rimfire bullet?
I think a .22 would probably not make it through steel that thick; I think
you'd need a centerfire bullet to do it.
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Tegger
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> Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet,
> to make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
I think a .22 would probably not make it through steel that thick; I think
you'd need a centerfire bullet to do it.
--
Tegger
Stormin Mormon
Sep 2, 2012, 8:03:17 AM9/2/12
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Dunno about the jackets. I havn't researched that. Sounded good. You may be
right about the steel thickness. Calls for some testing.
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right about the steel thickness. Calls for some testing.
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Red Green
Sep 2, 2012, 8:49:00 AM9/2/12
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James Gagney <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote in news:k1udgn$4f5$1
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> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
Manual Ramset. Remove nail. You're done. Project approach to completion
time - 30 sec.
@speranza.aioe.org:
> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
Manual Ramset. Remove nail. You're done. Project approach to completion
time - 30 sec.
Tegger
Sep 2, 2012, 10:09:35 AM9/2/12
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Dunno about the jackets. I havn't researched that. Sounded good. You
> may be right about the steel thickness. Calls for some testing.
>
--
Tegger
George
Sep 2, 2012, 10:24:42 AM9/2/12
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On 9/2/2012 7:52 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney
> <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
>> wouldn't make a dent.
>>
>> See picture here:
>> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>>
>> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>> where there is no electricity available?
>
> Is that a wooden post the guiderail is attached to? You might have
> better luck drilling that.
Thinking the same thing. If the objective is to use fasteners then
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney
> <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
>> wouldn't make a dent.
>>
>> See picture here:
>> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>>
>> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>> where there is no electricity available?
>
> Is that a wooden post the guiderail is attached to? You might have
> better luck drilling that.
driving a couple screws with washers into the post from the inside of
the can is a quick way to do it without drilling someones guard rail.
Bill
Sep 2, 2012, 11:33:56 AM9/2/12
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In article <ic1uiln...@home.home>, des...@verizon.net says...
Right!
Those guardrails are designed to collapse in the event a vehicle hits
one. This reduces injuries to people in the vehicle. I would rather not
be responsible for modifying one or mounting objects on one which would
in any way alter the function of it! (And then get some lawyer claiming
I was partially responsible for injuries caused in an accident.)
Traffic engineers would have a fit if they saw that. They go to a lot of
work to get road signs and so forth to "break away" if a vehicle hits
them. Like this...
http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/policy_guide/road_hardware/ctrme
asures/breakaway/
Those guardrails are designed to collapse in the event a vehicle hits
one. This reduces injuries to people in the vehicle. I would rather not
be responsible for modifying one or mounting objects on one which would
in any way alter the function of it! (And then get some lawyer claiming
I was partially responsible for injuries caused in an accident.)
Traffic engineers would have a fit if they saw that. They go to a lot of
work to get road signs and so forth to "break away" if a vehicle hits
them. Like this...
http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/policy_guide/road_hardware/ctrme
asures/breakaway/
Jon Danniken
Sep 2, 2012, 12:16:38 PM9/2/12
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On 09/01/2012 06:49 PM, Smitty Two wrote:
>
>
> To drill metal, you need a sharp, quality drill bit. Not the cheapo home
> improvement center bits.
As long as it is a HSS twist bit, it doesn't matter if you buy it from
>
>
> To drill metal, you need a sharp, quality drill bit. Not the cheapo home
> improvement center bits.
the big box; if he follows the rest of your suggestions it will work
just fine.
The only thing I would add is to start with a smaller bit and work up to
the size he wants.
Jon
Smitty Two
Sep 2, 2012, 12:17:20 PM9/2/12
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In article <MPG.2aad1c40d...@news.individual.net>,
When people are killed in car accidents, instead of leaving flowers at
the site, we should just leave the dead bodies there. Then we'd develop
safer drivers, instead of this ridiculous fascination we have with
compensating for stupidity. By using terms like "errant vehicle" we
absolve the nut behind the wheel. I think we've taken that absolution a
little too far.
the site, we should just leave the dead bodies there. Then we'd develop
safer drivers, instead of this ridiculous fascination we have with
compensating for stupidity. By using terms like "errant vehicle" we
absolve the nut behind the wheel. I think we've taken that absolution a
little too far.
Rick
Sep 2, 2012, 12:21:00 PM9/2/12
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Atila Iskander
Sep 2, 2012, 12:51:29 PM9/2/12
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$170 saw for $10
Even funnier, there was a embossed picture next to the chain guard on how
the chain links should look if properly installed.
micky
Sep 2, 2012, 1:28:01 PM9/2/12
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Red Green
Sep 2, 2012, 1:42:15 PM9/2/12
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Smitty Two <notpub...@cox.net> wrote in
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when the road was built. The people you describe were having a "hard"
time with them <pun blatently intended>. So they wanted to remove it to
make it safer for assholes. Guess someone figured hitting oncoming
interstate traffic was a good thing.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TG0zAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5uYFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6735%2C5560016
Ed Pawlowski
Sep 2, 2012, 1:54:32 PM9/2/12
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On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:33:56 -0700, Bill <Nomail...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> Are you sure the owner wants holes drilled in his railing?
>
>Right!
>
>Those guardrails are designed to collapse in the event a vehicle hits
>one. This reduces injuries to people in the vehicle. I would rather not
>be responsible for modifying one or mounting objects on one which would
>in any way alter the function of it! (And then get some lawyer claiming
>I was partially responsible for injuries caused in an accident.)
>
>Traffic engineers would have a fit if they saw that. They go to a lot of
>work to get road signs and so forth to "break away" if a vehicle hits
>them. Like this...
>
>http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/policy_guide/road_hardware/ctrme
>asures/breakaway/
>
>
How do we know it is in a place cars will hit it? Could just be a
barrier along a walkway in a park. Do you think he'd be mounting a
trash can along an I-95 exit ramp?
wrote:
>> Are you sure the owner wants holes drilled in his railing?
>
>Right!
>
>Those guardrails are designed to collapse in the event a vehicle hits
>one. This reduces injuries to people in the vehicle. I would rather not
>be responsible for modifying one or mounting objects on one which would
>in any way alter the function of it! (And then get some lawyer claiming
>I was partially responsible for injuries caused in an accident.)
>
>Traffic engineers would have a fit if they saw that. They go to a lot of
>work to get road signs and so forth to "break away" if a vehicle hits
>them. Like this...
>
>http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/policy_guide/road_hardware/ctrme
>asures/breakaway/
>
>
barrier along a walkway in a park. Do you think he'd be mounting a
trash can along an I-95 exit ramp?
Red Green
Sep 2, 2012, 2:02:23 PM9/2/12
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Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote in
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That would be major stupid wouldn't it. They've already tossed the trash
out the window.
news:c57748lc60oetctn1...@4ax.com:
out the window.
willshak
Sep 2, 2012, 2:42:25 PM9/2/12
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James Gagney wrote the following on 9/1/2012 9:41 PM (ET):
> Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
> wouldn't make a dent.
>
> See picture here:
> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>
> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
> where there is no electricity available?
No one has asked yet, so I will.
> Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
> wouldn't make a dent.
>
> See picture here:
> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>
> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
> where there is no electricity available?
Why a garbage can attached to a guardrail?
--
Bill
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Sep 2, 2012, 2:51:14 PM9/2/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 09:17:20 -0700, Smitty Two <notpub...@cox.net>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Traffic engineers would have a fit if they saw that. They go to a lot of
>> work to get road signs and so forth to "break away" if a vehicle hits
>> them. Like this...
>>
>> http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/policy_guide/road_hardware/ctrme
>> asures/breakaway/
>
>When people are killed in car accidents, instead of leaving flowers at
>the site, we should just leave the dead bodies there.
There may be some practical problems with that. I'll have to check
But one thing I've seen in several states is a white cross where each
person died. I'm not a Christian and I dislike enormously attempts
to insert religion into the government anywhere, including Christian
or other sectarian invocations at football games. This is the one and
only place where I woudn't object -- if private parties do it and not
the Highway Department or Police -- because it is simple, easy, and
clear, and they can be placed just where each person died, or just off
the road where the car came to rest.
It marks the part of the road that has been proven to be dangerous.
So sometimes I see tham at a curve at the end of a long straight run.
I've even seen the top dipped in red paint. I guess that is the same
plain white, since surely no one is marking mere injuries. Unless
there was a death and injuries in the same accident.
If I die in a traffic accident, I'm sure one of my friends will come
and remove any cross put up where I die.
wrote:
>
>>
>> Traffic engineers would have a fit if they saw that. They go to a lot of
>> work to get road signs and so forth to "break away" if a vehicle hits
>> them. Like this...
>>
>> http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/policy_guide/road_hardware/ctrme
>> asures/breakaway/
>
>When people are killed in car accidents, instead of leaving flowers at
>the site, we should just leave the dead bodies there.
But one thing I've seen in several states is a white cross where each
person died. I'm not a Christian and I dislike enormously attempts
to insert religion into the government anywhere, including Christian
or other sectarian invocations at football games. This is the one and
only place where I woudn't object -- if private parties do it and not
the Highway Department or Police -- because it is simple, easy, and
clear, and they can be placed just where each person died, or just off
the road where the car came to rest.
It marks the part of the road that has been proven to be dangerous.
So sometimes I see tham at a curve at the end of a long straight run.
I've even seen the top dipped in red paint. I guess that is the same
plain white, since surely no one is marking mere injuries. Unless
there was a death and injuries in the same accident.
If I die in a traffic accident, I'm sure one of my friends will come
and remove any cross put up where I die.
Jim Elbrecht
Sep 2, 2012, 3:00:03 PM9/2/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:48:13 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 05:58:26 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>
>A .22 would not even dent that material. I doubt any pistol would hurt
>it unless you have a "cop killer" bullet.
>Maybe a .308? If you have an AP round it would be a clean hole.
I think I could make a .45 caliber hole in that with a pistol.
Jim
[if I had a pistol, that is]
>On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 05:58:26 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>
>it unless you have a "cop killer" bullet.
>Maybe a .308? If you have an AP round it would be a clean hole.
I think I could make a .45 caliber hole in that with a pistol.
Jim
[if I had a pistol, that is]
Dean Hoffman
Sep 2, 2012, 3:09:11 PM9/2/12
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see what happens. Would an 8 pointer be over doing it?
Stormin Mormon
Sep 2, 2012, 3:08:17 PM9/2/12
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And, in area with no electric. Something fishy, here.
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Sep 2, 2012, 3:08:46 PM9/2/12
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I'm awaiting the test results.
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>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
Stormin Mormon
Sep 2, 2012, 3:19:10 PM9/2/12
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Dummy buck practicing hard cover? I think that's
ammusing.
Concealment is essential. Cover is better.
Tracers work both ways.
5 second fuses last 3 seconds.
Battle radios aren't loud enough, and their range
is about half mile short of reaching the fire base.
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ammusing.
Concealment is essential. Cover is better.
Tracers work both ways.
5 second fuses last 3 seconds.
Battle radios aren't loud enough, and their range
is about half mile short of reaching the fire base.
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Smitty Two
Sep 2, 2012, 3:22:06 PM9/2/12
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In article <c57748lc60oetctn1...@4ax.com>,
mounting post. Using the drill for a scale reference, I'd make the post
a 4 x 4. Seems a little light for a highway guardrail.
Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> How do we know it is in a place cars will hit it? Could just be a
> barrier along a walkway in a park. Do you think he'd be mounting a
> trash can along an I-95 exit ramp?
Yeah, the original pic shows the cordless drill sitting on the guardrail
> How do we know it is in a place cars will hit it? Could just be a
> barrier along a walkway in a park. Do you think he'd be mounting a
> trash can along an I-95 exit ramp?
mounting post. Using the drill for a scale reference, I'd make the post
a 4 x 4. Seems a little light for a highway guardrail.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 2, 2012, 8:06:15 PM9/2/12
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On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:03:17 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Dunno about the jackets. I havn't researched that. Sounded good. You may be
>right about the steel thickness. Calls for some testing.
>
>Christopher A. Young
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>
>>
>> Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet,
>> to make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>
>
>Who makes a jacketed .22 rimfire bullet?
I suppose you mean FMJ (JHP is "jacketed, too";-).
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Dunno about the jackets. I havn't researched that. Sounded good. You may be
>right about the steel thickness. Calls for some testing.
>
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>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>>
>> Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet,
>> to make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>
>
>Who makes a jacketed .22 rimfire bullet?
In any case, be careful how you ask a question:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=43497/Bullet+Style_1084=Full+Metal+Jacket+%28FMJ%29/Product/WINCHESTER-RIMFIRE-AMMUNITION#skugrid
>I think a .22 would probably not make it through steel that thick; I think
>you'd need a centerfire bullet to do it.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 2, 2012, 8:06:56 PM9/2/12
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>On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 05:58:26 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>
><cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>
>A .22 would not even dent that material. I doubt any pistol would hurt
>it unless you have a "cop killer" bullet.
>it unless you have a "cop killer" bullet.
>Maybe a .308? If you have an AP round it would be a clean hole.
I .357Mag, or better, would probably do a number on it.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 2, 2012, 8:08:13 PM9/2/12
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k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 2, 2012, 8:09:36 PM9/2/12
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so much. Amazing, really.
micky
Sep 2, 2012, 8:15:07 PM9/2/12
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On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 15:08:17 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>And, in area with no electric. Something fishy, here.
>
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>> See picture here:
>> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>>
>> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>> where there is no electricity available?
>
>No one has asked yet, so I will.
>Why a garbage can attached to a guardrail?
Nothing fishy. I figure he lives on a road with a ditch and a
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>And, in area with no electric. Something fishy, here.
>
>Christopher A. Young
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>> See picture here:
>> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>>
>> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>> where there is no electricity available?
>
>No one has asked yet, so I will.
>Why a garbage can attached to a guardrail?
guardrail to keep cars from going in tthe ditch. a guardrail right
next to the driveable shoulder. And he has to take the garbage to the
foot of the long driveway to have it picked up, and the wind, maybe
wind from passing semis, blows the can over and/or into the ditch if
it's not secured in some way.
Although it's not his property , unless a hole is going to get a lot
bigger becasue the tin layer has been breeched, I don't have a probem
with him drilling one hole. OTOH, he could use two 1-inch C-clamps
to hold each end of a bungee cord and hold a garbage can of any shape
and size in place. I myself would put them on the bottom of the
rail so they ddid't look bad from the road, although I'm sure the view
from the road is not perfection anyhow. .
micky
Sep 2, 2012, 9:08:49 PM9/2/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:22:06 -0700, Smitty Two <notpub...@cox.net>
wrote:
I didn't even see that post before. Isn't that the OP's? Don't they
make guardrail posts out of metal I-beam. I think the rivets just
join the curled end to the straight piece, all of which is floating.
but attached where we can't see.
wrote:
make guardrail posts out of metal I-beam. I think the rivets just
join the curled end to the straight piece, all of which is floating.
but attached where we can't see.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 2, 2012, 9:14:25 PM9/2/12
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are maybe 6x6s with about a 4" hole drilled in them so they shear if hit. The
idea is to slow the vehicle down, not stop it (and its occupants) dead.
Dean Hoffman
Sep 2, 2012, 9:35:29 PM9/2/12
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median. I think they're about waist high. I don't remember how they're
tensioned. They run most of the length of I-70.
nestork
Sep 2, 2012, 9:45:45 PM9/2/12
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> No one has asked yet, so I will.
> Why a garbage can attached to a guardrail?
>
It's a social commentary... an artistic expression of life in the 21st
century.
It speaks to a simple man's struggle to live in the garbage of the
society we've created while dealing with the rapid pace of change and
ever present danger that creates, as symbolized by the highway
guardrail.
I'm thinking it could sell for over $100,000 at auction on the right day
to the right collector.
--
nestork
DerbyDad03
Sep 2, 2012, 10:38:56 PM9/2/12
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micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney
> <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney
> <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
>> wouldn't make a dent.
>>
>> wouldn't make a dent.
>>
>> See picture here:
>> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>>
>> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>> where there is no electricity available?
>
> Occasionally, my drill is spinning the wrong direction. Don't do
>> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>>
>> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>> where there is no electricity available?
>
> that.
>
> Consider attaching the clamp to the garbage can instead of the guard
> rail.
>
> If you do attach to the guard raile, consider that when your garbage
> can wears out, they might not be selling new ones of the same shape.
>
> (Although my plastic cans are 30 and 25 years old. One of the 30-year
> old ones got several vertical splits in it, and the garbage men took
> it and kept it. (Another time, someone stole the rectangular lid to
> a borrowed plastic can with wheels. I think it waw the garbage man
> because no one else was around. A couple weeks later, a repacement
> lid was left, same brand, but one size bigger) )
In all my years of putting garbage out at the curb, in multiple houses in
multiple cities, I've never had a garbage man take a garbage can unless it
was clearly marked as trash, regardless of the condition. I grew up in NYC
where they used to beat the metal cans on the back of truck so I know what
a crappy garbage can looks like.
One time I put an indoor garbage can, filled with garbage, inside the main
garbage can. When I got home, the indoor can was still inside the main one,
but both were empty. The next week I marked it as trash and it was taken.
Ed Pawlowski
Sep 2, 2012, 10:40:24 PM9/2/12
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notf...@dontwrite.com
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mean. There was no hate in that post. If I hated Christianity, I
wouldn't be recommending a Christian symbol as a partial remedy for
traffic accidents, by reminding people where fatalities happened.
I certainly couldn't recommend it without also pointing out the
problems with it.
And I don't want myself to be associated with a belief in
Christianity.. Don't you know people who wouldn't want to have their
obituary call them a member of a religion they don't believe in?
I love the US and I love its Constitution, which doesn't permit
government employees to have religious invocations, employee or
student led, at public school football games or to place religious
symbols on the highway shoulder
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 12:32:54 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 05:13:23 +0000, nestork wrote:
> But, for a one-time project like this one, my advice to you would be to
> buy a titanium nitride coated drill bit of the size you need. Titanium
> nitride coated drill bits are the gold coloured ones that look like
> this:
Following your advice, I bought this set from Home Depot today.
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179762/img/9179762.jpg
They're the right 'color', and they say HSS on them, but I'm not sure if
they're titanium. The outside of the case just shows this:
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179760/img/9179760.jpg
> But, for a one-time project like this one, my advice to you would be to
> buy a titanium nitride coated drill bit of the size you need. Titanium
> nitride coated drill bits are the gold coloured ones that look like
> this:
Following your advice, I bought this set from Home Depot today.
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179762/img/9179762.jpg
They're the right 'color', and they say HSS on them, but I'm not sure if
they're titanium. The outside of the case just shows this:
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179760/img/9179760.jpg
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 12:34:33 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 09:16:38 -0700, Jon Danniken wrote:
> As long as it is a HSS twist bit, it doesn't matter if you buy it from
> the big box; if he follows the rest of your suggestions it will work
> just fine.
I picked up these from Home Depot today:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179762/img/9179762.jpg
I'll start small ... and then work my way up to the size I need.
> As long as it is a HSS twist bit, it doesn't matter if you buy it from
> the big box; if he follows the rest of your suggestions it will work
> just fine.
I picked up these from Home Depot today:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179762/img/9179762.jpg
I'll start small ... and then work my way up to the size I need.
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 12:39:04 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 13:54:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> How do we know it is in a place cars will hit it? Could just be a
> barrier along a walkway in a park. Do you think he'd be mounting a
> trash can along an I-95 exit ramp?
It's in a spot where people park and leave stuff on the ground. We call
> How do we know it is in a place cars will hit it? Could just be a
> barrier along a walkway in a park. Do you think he'd be mounting a
> trash can along an I-95 exit ramp?
it lovers leap. There's a cliff on the other side, hence the guardrail.
Even with the trash can, some people STILL litter the scenic area. Sigh.
But the trash can is blowing down in the wind, creating FURTHER litter
from the people who DID put trash in it ... so I want to be responsible
and bolt it down.
I guess a person 'could' drive a car into it ... but ... really ... do
you think a plastic trash can on the end of a guard rail is really going
to do that much damage to an incoming vehicle?
Note: The only way a vehicle can hit it, logically, is perpendicular to
it as there's no road on the bent end where the trash can is (and the
guard rail would be pointing toward were it an arrow).
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 12:43:11 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:22:06 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
> Yeah, the original pic shows the cordless drill sitting on the guardrail
> mounting post. Using the drill for a scale reference, I'd make the post
> a 4 x 4. Seems a little light for a highway guardrail.
Yes. The wooden post, which has holes drilled in the bottom (presumably)
> Yeah, the original pic shows the cordless drill sitting on the guardrail
> mounting post. Using the drill for a scale reference, I'd make the post
> a 4 x 4. Seems a little light for a highway guardrail.
to weaken it even further, is NOT on a highway. It's just a scenic road.
A one-lane road which has a turnout where lovers congregate at night.
The guardrail is 'probably' there because there is a cliff on the other
side, and people 'could' (I guess) wholly miss the road and end up over
the cliff.
I 'could' mount the trash can to the wooden post - but that entails half
a foot of drilling, versus the thin guard rail. So my first approach will
be to see if the newly bought titanium (I think) gold-colored HSS
Kawasaki bits will do the trick.
The guardrail:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
The bits:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179762/img/9179762.jpg
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 12:46:14 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:08:49 -0400, micky wrote:
> I didn't even see that post before. Isn't that the OP's?
It's on my property. But it's the town's guard rail as they maintain the
> I didn't even see that post before. Isn't that the OP's?
right of way on each side.
Nobody could hit it from the end to the right with a moving vehicle.
They can only T-bone it (if they really tried) with a car.
On the other side of the guard rail is a cliff ... hence the lovers
lookout name of that part of the road. They leave trash (yes, even 'that'
kind of trash) all the time.
Lovers are such litters!
Anyway, I seriously doubt anyone is gonna get hurt from a trash can being
in the middle of the guardrail. It's a classic spot that the GPS trackers
seem to leave little notes to each other - but other than that, I can't
imagine it hurting a 4,000 pound vehicle.
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 12:59:33 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:14:25 -0400, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> Not usually. I-beam posts would tend to impale cars. Most of the one's
> I see are maybe 6x6s with about a 4" hole drilled in them so they shear
> if hit.
Yes. Most of the wood posts (but not all) have the exact huge hole
> Not usually. I-beam posts would tend to impale cars. Most of the one's
> I see are maybe 6x6s with about a 4" hole drilled in them so they shear
> if hit.
drilled near the bottom that you're discussing.
See this photo taken this week at a one-car accident site on the same
road.
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179865/img/9179865.jpg
The wood posts on the ends (maybe the last four or so) have this huge
hole; the rest of the wood posts (in the middle sections) don't seem to
have this above-ground hole.
Notice how the wood broke the BMW's momentum.
My next-door neighbor's 19-year old had a brand new bimmer (only about 5K
miles on the odometer). He thought he was a racer boy on all the curves.
We're just glad nobody got hurt.
About a year ago, this racerboy knocked the mirror off my wife's car on a
tight turn; but the parents wouldn't own up to it (the road barely can
handle two vehicles passing in opposite directions). They asked the kid
and he said he didn't do it. To keep neighborly bliss, we dropped the
issue after mentioning it to the parents.
The kid told his dad he 'swerved' to avoid something in the road. Looking
at these tire marks, and the lack of any skid marks, I'm guessing he
simple was either going too fast or he was distracted. Notice the tire
mark on the shoulder follows the road for about 15 feet before it smacks
into the guardrail.
I'm not sure how fast he was going, but, that's a straightaway ... just
after a sharp (270 degree) curve ... so I can't fathom HOW he hit the
guardrail ... but hit it he did!
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 1:49:43 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 10:24:42 -0400, George wrote:
> Thinking the same thing. If the objective is to use fasteners then
> driving a couple screws with washers into the post from the inside of
> the can is a quick way to do it without drilling someones guard rail
That's a GREAT idea!
I didn't think of anything except a bolt ... but a lag screw should work
just fine!
> Thinking the same thing. If the objective is to use fasteners then
> driving a couple screws with washers into the post from the inside of
> the can is a quick way to do it without drilling someones guard rail
That's a GREAT idea!
I didn't think of anything except a bolt ... but a lag screw should work
just fine!
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 1:51:24 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:42:25 -0400, willshak wrote:
> No one has asked yet, so I will.
> Why a garbage can attached to a guardrail?
People litter like crazy at that spot.
> No one has asked yet, so I will.
> Why a garbage can attached to a guardrail?
The guardrail is on the edge of a cliff.
The 'loop' end of the guard rail fits the garbage can perfectly.
The only problem is that the wind blows the garbage can over, at the open
end of the loop.
So I want to bolt or screw the garbage can down - to keep it from blowing
over the cliff in the wind.
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 1:56:11 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 20:15:07 -0400, micky wrote:
> Nothing fishy. I figure he lives on a road with a ditch and a guardrail
> to keep cars from going in tthe ditch. a guardrail right next to the
> driveable shoulder. And he has to take the garbage to the foot of the
> long driveway to have it picked up, and the wind, maybe wind from
> passing semis, blows the can over and/or into the ditch if it's not
> secured in some way.
Close. Very close.
> Nothing fishy. I figure he lives on a road with a ditch and a guardrail
> to keep cars from going in tthe ditch. a guardrail right next to the
> driveable shoulder. And he has to take the garbage to the foot of the
> long driveway to have it picked up, and the wind, maybe wind from
> passing semis, blows the can over and/or into the ditch if it's not
> secured in some way.
The road cuts along the edge of my property - so it's my property - but
it's well within the right of way of the easement so the town maintains
the road.
However, there's a cliff (not a ditch ... but close ... a really really
really deep ditch) on the other side of the guardrail.
The garbage can is there because lovers park there all the time, and I'd
say about 1/5th of them (or so) are filthy litterers. The rest are fine
and cause no problem.
So the trash can is there to encourage the filthy litterers to use it.
I empty it about once every week. Sometimes once every two weeks in the
rainy season. The wind is ferocious at times up here. Then, when it blows
over the garbage can, I have to pick up EVEN MORE garbage. You can
actually see trash someone left to the right of the garbage can in the
original picture.
(Some) people are just filthy with other people's property. It is what it
is. I figure 1/5th can't ever be trained. And maybe 1/5th can be taught
to use the gargage can. The other 3/5ths were brought up well.
It is what it is. And I'm trying to do what I can.
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 1:57:00 AM9/3/12
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 01:45:45 +0000, nestork wrote:
> I'm thinking it could sell for over $100,000 at auction on the right day
> to the right collector.
Wow. I'd have to be someone famous soon. Can you help make me famous so I
> I'm thinking it could sell for over $100,000 at auction on the right day
> to the right collector.
can collect on that prediction?
:)
Smitty Two
Sep 3, 2012, 2:00:23 AM9/3/12
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In article <k21gdm$lo4$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
How do you plan to empty this can, once it's bolted down?
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 2:05:20 AM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 23:00:23 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
> How do you plan to empty this can, once it's bolted down?
That's a good point. It actually had a plastic bag that I use to empty
> How do you plan to empty this can, once it's bolted down?
the trash - but the can blew over and the plastic bag blew over the cliff.
So, I plan on leaving the plastic bag in the garbage can so that I don't
have to remove the can.
I could, I guess, put a bolt with a thumb screw on it though -- which
would allow me to remove the can should the bag break open.
The problem is how to keep the can there in the wind.
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Sep 3, 2012, 4:14:07 AM9/3/12
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 01:58:08 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
> Any idiot that suggests using a firearm to start a pilot hole has
> obviously no clue about gun safety.
I think they were joking ... :)
> Any idiot that suggests using a firearm to start a pilot hole has
> obviously no clue about gun safety.
I think they were joking ... :)
HeyBub
Sep 3, 2012, 6:24:51 AM9/3/12
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Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 7:28:41 AM9/3/12
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I had a bucket disappear to the trashers, one time. Real shame, it was not
quiet five gallon bucket, and fit nicely in the space between the table and
the wall.
Christopher A. Young
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quiet five gallon bucket, and fit nicely in the space between the table and
the wall.
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Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 7:32:29 AM9/3/12
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As to trash can on wood post, use a pilot hole, and then screw eyes. Bungee
cords.
But, the titanium bits should go through the metal guard rail.
"James Gagney" <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Yes. The wooden post, which has holes drilled in the bottom (presumably)
to weaken it even further, is NOT on a highway. It's just a scenic road.
A one-lane road which has a turnout where lovers congregate at night.
cords.
But, the titanium bits should go through the metal guard rail.
"James Gagney" <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Yes. The wooden post, which has holes drilled in the bottom (presumably)
to weaken it even further, is NOT on a highway. It's just a scenic road.
A one-lane road which has a turnout where lovers congregate at night.
Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 7:34:58 AM9/3/12
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HD has self drilling hex head screws, in the screws and bolts aisle. That,
and some fender washers. Socket tip for your cordless drill (set to low
speed, high torque setting).
Christopher A. Young
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and some fender washers. Socket tip for your cordless drill (set to low
speed, high torque setting).
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Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 7:36:27 AM9/3/12
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Pull the trash bag out, and put another bag in?
How will Mr. Gagney keep the lid on, since it's a windy place? Bungee cords?
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How will Mr. Gagney keep the lid on, since it's a windy place? Bungee cords?
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Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 7:37:47 AM9/3/12
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True on both counts. Sigh. Well, it was a thought.
Please forget I even suggested it.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
What?
You don't own a gun, and are advocating unsafe use of one.
Please forget I even suggested it.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
What?
You don't own a gun, and are advocating unsafe use of one.
Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 7:39:46 AM9/3/12
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I've seen bullet holes in street signs, and years ago,
a bullet hole in an ice box for bagged ice. That's
where I got the idea. And, you're right, very few
Mormons own a gun. I sure don't. <shudder> they
could go off at any time!
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The Mormon does not own a firearm, and has
no clue what he's talking about. Any idiot that
a bullet hole in an ice box for bagged ice. That's
where I got the idea. And, you're right, very few
Mormons own a gun. I sure don't. <shudder> they
could go off at any time!
Christopher A. Young
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"G. Morgan" <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message
The Mormon does not own a firearm, and has
no clue what he's talking about. Any idiot that
Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 7:41:08 AM9/3/12
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I think they have seen street signs with holes in them.
That's what they were thinking, but mostly joking.
They would like to hear how it works, if you try it.
Christopher They Young
That's what they were thinking, but mostly joking.
They would like to hear how it works, if you try it.
Christopher They Young
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Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 7:44:39 AM9/3/12
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Sounds like you're being a responsible citizen. And making it easier for
responsible adults to "put litter in its place". This is the kind of thing
that members of my family would do. Good on you!
I'll read a couple more posts, and see if you've made holes. Guess not. When
you get your holes, please consider using some perforated strap, to go
around the trash can. Make a big loop, so the trash can will nestle in. That
way you can lift the trash can out, not have the trashcan permanantly bolted
on.
Or, use carriage head bolts, and wingnuts. Carriage heads on the inside, so
they don't rip the trash bag. Bolts and wing nuts on the outside of the
rail. Bit of grease to keep the bolts from rusting. You may end up replacing
the trash can as it weather cracks from UV rays.
Christopher A. Young
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responsible adults to "put litter in its place". This is the kind of thing
that members of my family would do. Good on you!
I'll read a couple more posts, and see if you've made holes. Guess not. When
you get your holes, please consider using some perforated strap, to go
around the trash can. Make a big loop, so the trash can will nestle in. That
way you can lift the trash can out, not have the trashcan permanantly bolted
on.
Or, use carriage head bolts, and wingnuts. Carriage heads on the inside, so
they don't rip the trash bag. Bolts and wing nuts on the outside of the
rail. Bit of grease to keep the bolts from rusting. You may end up replacing
the trash can as it weather cracks from UV rays.
Christopher A. Young
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Larry W
Sep 3, 2012, 8:10:48 AM9/3/12
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In article <k1udgn$4f5$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
James Gagney <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
>wouldn't make a dent.
>
>See picture here:
>http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>
>What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>where there is no electricity available?
30-06, 308, or similar rifle round will make a nice clean hole.
--
Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org
James Gagney <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
>wouldn't make a dent.
>
>See picture here:
>http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>
>What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>where there is no electricity available?
30-06, 308, or similar rifle round will make a nice clean hole.
--
Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org
Larry W
Sep 3, 2012, 8:14:16 AM9/3/12
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In article <M8G0s.4246$xR5....@fed05.iad>,
Stormin Mormon <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>That's pretty much what I was going to write. Prick punch, to get the
>location started. Brand new bit, 1/8. Use the next size larger, after that.
>Can also drill from the inside out, which will help with the drill bit
>wandering.
let alone a steel guardrail.
Stormin Mormon <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>That's pretty much what I was going to write. Prick punch, to get the
>location started. Brand new bit, 1/8. Use the next size larger, after that.
>Can also drill from the inside out, which will help with the drill bit
>wandering.
>
>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>
From 50 feet a .22 will not even reliably go through an aluminum road sign,
>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>
let alone a steel guardrail.
Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 8:30:58 AM9/3/12
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I've recently been told that I am unsafe and an idiot, for joking about
using a .22 gage rifle, to shoot holes in the guard rail. I'm thinking
someone will need to comment on using a 308 gage shotgun, to make holes. Are
those bigger than a .22 gage rifle?
"All I need to know about guns, I learned from Adam-12."
"Larry W" <lwas...@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message
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using a .22 gage rifle, to shoot holes in the guard rail. I'm thinking
someone will need to comment on using a 308 gage shotgun, to make holes. Are
those bigger than a .22 gage rifle?
"All I need to know about guns, I learned from Adam-12."
"Larry W" <lwas...@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 8:31:51 AM9/3/12
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Well, in that case, nevermind. Better to stick
to titanium drill bits.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Larry W" <lwas...@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message
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to titanium drill bits.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Larry W" <lwas...@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message
James Gagney
Sep 3, 2012, 9:58:27 AM9/3/12
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 07:36:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> How will Mr. Gagney keep the lid on, since it's a windy place?
No lid needed.
> How will Mr. Gagney keep the lid on, since it's a windy place?
Jon Danniken
Sep 3, 2012, 10:43:51 AM9/3/12
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On 09/02/2012 09:39 PM, James Gagney wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 13:54:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> How do we know it is in a place cars will hit it? Could just be a
>> barrier along a walkway in a park. Do you think he'd be mounting a
>> trash can along an I-95 exit ramp?
>
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 13:54:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> How do we know it is in a place cars will hit it? Could just be a
>> barrier along a walkway in a park. Do you think he'd be mounting a
>> trash can along an I-95 exit ramp?
>
> It's in a spot where people park and leave stuff on the ground. We call
> it lovers leap. There's a cliff on the other side, hence the guardrail.
>
> Even with the trash can, some people STILL litter the scenic area. Sigh.
You could try putting up a sign stating that all activities in the area
> it lovers leap. There's a cliff on the other side, hence the guardrail.
>
> Even with the trash can, some people STILL litter the scenic area. Sigh.
are recorded by surveillance cameras. You wouldn't even need any actual
cameras, just the suggestion that people are being recorded is enough to
keep honest people from misbehaving.
Jon
willshak
Sep 3, 2012, 11:09:34 AM9/3/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote the following on 9/3/2012 8:30 AM (ET):
> I've recently been told that I am unsafe and an idiot, for joking about
> using a .22 gage rifle, to shoot holes in the guard rail. I'm thinking
> someone will need to comment on using a 308 gage shotgun, to make holes. Are
> those bigger than a .22 gage rifle?
>
> "All I need to know about guns, I learned from Adam-12."
I learned how to shoot by watching TV's "The A Team".
> I've recently been told that I am unsafe and an idiot, for joking about
> using a .22 gage rifle, to shoot holes in the guard rail. I'm thinking
> someone will need to comment on using a 308 gage shotgun, to make holes. Are
> those bigger than a .22 gage rifle?
>
> "All I need to know about guns, I learned from Adam-12."
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "Larry W" <lwas...@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message
> news:k226o8$jvk$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> 30-06, 308, or similar rifle round will make a nice clean hole.
>
>
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k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 3, 2012, 12:17:45 PM9/3/12
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 02:03:01 -0500, G. Morgan <seal...@osama-is-dead.net>
wrote:
>k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:48:13 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>it unless you have a "cop killer" bullet.
>>>Maybe a .308? If you have an AP round it would be a clean hole.
>>
>>I .357Mag, or better, would probably do a number on it.
>
>That steel isn't body armor caliber. I wouldn't trust it!
I wouldn't be shooting *at* it, either.
wrote:
>k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:48:13 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 05:58:26 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>>><cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>>>>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>>>
>>>A .22 would not even dent that material. I doubt any pistol would hurt
>>>On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 05:58:26 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>>><cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Some country folks would use a .22 rimfire rifle, from about 50 feet, to
>>>>make the initial hole. 40 grain jacketed solid.
>>>
>>>it unless you have a "cop killer" bullet.
>>>Maybe a .308? If you have an AP round it would be a clean hole.
>>
>>I .357Mag, or better, would probably do a number on it.
>
>That steel isn't body armor caliber. I wouldn't trust it!
I wouldn't be shooting *at* it, either.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 3, 2012, 12:23:41 PM9/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 23:12:02 -0400, notf...@dontwrite.com wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 20:09:36 -0400, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:51:14 -0400, notf...@dontwrite.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 09:17:20 -0700, Smitty Two <notpub...@cox.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Traffic engineers would have a fit if they saw that. They go to a lot of
>>>>> work to get road signs and so forth to "break away" if a vehicle hits
>>>>> them. Like this...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/policy_guide/road_hardware/ctrme
>>>>> asures/breakaway/
>>>>
>>>>When people are killed in car accidents, instead of leaving flowers at
>>>>the site, we should just leave the dead bodies there.
>>>
>>>There may be some practical problems with that. I'll have to check
>>>
>>>
>>>But one thing I've seen in several states is a white cross where each
>>>person died. I'm not a Christian and I dislike enormously attempts
>>>to insert religion into the government anywhere, including Christian
>>>or other sectarian invocations at football games. This is the one and
>>>only place where I woudn't object -- if private parties do it and not
>>>the Highway Department or Police -- because it is simple, easy, and
>>>clear, and they can be placed just where each person died, or just off
>>>the road where the car came to rest.
>>>
>>>It marks the part of the road that has been proven to be dangerous.
>>>So sometimes I see tham at a curve at the end of a long straight run.
>>>
>>>I've even seen the top dipped in red paint. I guess that is the same
>>>plain white, since surely no one is marking mere injuries. Unless
>>>there was a death and injuries in the same accident.
>>>
>>>If I die in a traffic accident, I'm sure one of my friends will come
>>>and remove any cross put up where I die.
>>
>>It must be horrible to have to go through life, going OUT OF YOUR WAY, to hate
>>so much. Amazing, really.
>
>I'm sorry my words caused such a reaction.
Not a lot of work. Bigots deserve at least a 21 word rebuke.
>But I don't know what you
>mean. There was no hate in that post.
No, no hate at all. Keep telling yourself that.
>If I hated Christianity, I
>wouldn't be recommending a Christian symbol as a partial remedy for
>traffic accidents, by reminding people where fatalities happened.
You just make sure that everyone conforms to your wishes.
>I certainly couldn't recommend it without also pointing out the
>problems with it.
>
>And I don't want myself to be associated with a belief in
>Christianity.. Don't you know people who wouldn't want to have their
>obituary call them a member of a religion they don't believe in?
Have you been diagnosed schizophrenic?
>I love the US and I love its Constitution, which doesn't permit
>government employees to have religious invocations, employee or
>student led, at public school football games or to place religious
>symbols on the highway shoulder
Nonsense.
>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 20:09:36 -0400, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:51:14 -0400, notf...@dontwrite.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 09:17:20 -0700, Smitty Two <notpub...@cox.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Traffic engineers would have a fit if they saw that. They go to a lot of
>>>>> work to get road signs and so forth to "break away" if a vehicle hits
>>>>> them. Like this...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/policy_guide/road_hardware/ctrme
>>>>> asures/breakaway/
>>>>
>>>>When people are killed in car accidents, instead of leaving flowers at
>>>>the site, we should just leave the dead bodies there.
>>>
>>>There may be some practical problems with that. I'll have to check
>>>
>>>
>>>But one thing I've seen in several states is a white cross where each
>>>person died. I'm not a Christian and I dislike enormously attempts
>>>to insert religion into the government anywhere, including Christian
>>>or other sectarian invocations at football games. This is the one and
>>>only place where I woudn't object -- if private parties do it and not
>>>the Highway Department or Police -- because it is simple, easy, and
>>>clear, and they can be placed just where each person died, or just off
>>>the road where the car came to rest.
>>>
>>>It marks the part of the road that has been proven to be dangerous.
>>>So sometimes I see tham at a curve at the end of a long straight run.
>>>
>>>I've even seen the top dipped in red paint. I guess that is the same
>>>plain white, since surely no one is marking mere injuries. Unless
>>>there was a death and injuries in the same accident.
>>>
>>>If I die in a traffic accident, I'm sure one of my friends will come
>>>and remove any cross put up where I die.
>>
>>It must be horrible to have to go through life, going OUT OF YOUR WAY, to hate
>>so much. Amazing, really.
>
>I'm sorry my words caused such a reaction.
Not a lot of work. Bigots deserve at least a 21 word rebuke.
>But I don't know what you
>mean. There was no hate in that post.
No, no hate at all. Keep telling yourself that.
>If I hated Christianity, I
>wouldn't be recommending a Christian symbol as a partial remedy for
>traffic accidents, by reminding people where fatalities happened.
You just make sure that everyone conforms to your wishes.
>I certainly couldn't recommend it without also pointing out the
>problems with it.
>
>And I don't want myself to be associated with a belief in
>Christianity.. Don't you know people who wouldn't want to have their
>obituary call them a member of a religion they don't believe in?
Have you been diagnosed schizophrenic?
>I love the US and I love its Constitution, which doesn't permit
>government employees to have religious invocations, employee or
>student led, at public school football games or to place religious
>symbols on the highway shoulder
Nonsense.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 3, 2012, 12:29:24 PM9/3/12
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micky
Sep 3, 2012, 2:14:26 PM9/3/12
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On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 02:38:56 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney
>> that.
>>
>> Consider attaching the clamp to the garbage can instead of the guard
>> rail.
>>
>> If you do attach to the guard raile, consider that when your garbage
>> can wears out, they might not be selling new ones of the same shape.
>>
>> (Although my plastic cans are 30 and 25 years old. One of the 30-year
>> old ones got several vertical splits in it, and the garbage men took
>> it and kept it. (Another time, someone stole the rectangular lid to
>> a borrowed plastic can with wheels. I think it waw the garbage man
>> because no one else was around. A couple weeks later, a repacement
>> lid was left, same brand, but one size bigger) )
slits maybe 18" long, I could have used it for a long time for things
that don't attract flies. (The slits would come from repeatedly
ploppoing a full can onto the ground, but I never did that, and I
don't think anyone else did either.)
As to the lid, I'm normally not outside when the garbage men come, but
I was this time a 15 minutes in advance and a a half hour afterwards,
and no one was outside. It's possible someone else came by and took it
but not likely. This can was borrowed and I really wanted to return
it complete, but it was old and soon after a wheel broke off, and he
got rid of other cans when he moved. .
None of this is a big deal, but it's sort of interesting.
>One time I put an indoor garbage can, filled with garbage, inside the main
>garbage can. When I got home, the indoor can was still inside the main one,
>but both were empty. The next week I marked it as trash and it was taken.
That's great!
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney
>> <jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
>>> wouldn't make a dent.
>>>
>>> See picture here:
>>> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>>>
>>> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>>> where there is no electricity available?
>>
>> Occasionally, my drill is spinning the wrong direction. Don't do
>>
>>> Today I tried drilling a hole in the guardrail - but the drill bit
>>> wouldn't make a dent.
>>>
>>> See picture here:
>>> http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/9153893/img/9153893.jpg
>>>
>>> What would you use to drill a hole suitable for mounting a garbage can
>>> where there is no electricity available?
>>
>> that.
>>
>> Consider attaching the clamp to the garbage can instead of the guard
>> rail.
>>
>> If you do attach to the guard raile, consider that when your garbage
>> can wears out, they might not be selling new ones of the same shape.
>>
>> (Although my plastic cans are 30 and 25 years old. One of the 30-year
>> old ones got several vertical splits in it, and the garbage men took
>> it and kept it. (Another time, someone stole the rectangular lid to
>> a borrowed plastic can with wheels. I think it waw the garbage man
>> because no one else was around. A couple weeks later, a repacement
>> lid was left, same brand, but one size bigger) )
>
>In all my years of putting garbage out at the curb, in multiple houses in
>multiple cities, I've never had a garbage man take a garbage can unless it
>was clearly marked as trash, regardless of the condition. I grew up in NYC
>where they used to beat the metal cans on the back of truck so I know what
>a crappy garbage can looks like.
That's what I expected. Though the plastic can had 4 or 5vertical
>In all my years of putting garbage out at the curb, in multiple houses in
>multiple cities, I've never had a garbage man take a garbage can unless it
>was clearly marked as trash, regardless of the condition. I grew up in NYC
>where they used to beat the metal cans on the back of truck so I know what
>a crappy garbage can looks like.
slits maybe 18" long, I could have used it for a long time for things
that don't attract flies. (The slits would come from repeatedly
ploppoing a full can onto the ground, but I never did that, and I
don't think anyone else did either.)
As to the lid, I'm normally not outside when the garbage men come, but
I was this time a 15 minutes in advance and a a half hour afterwards,
and no one was outside. It's possible someone else came by and took it
but not likely. This can was borrowed and I really wanted to return
it complete, but it was old and soon after a wheel broke off, and he
got rid of other cans when he moved. .
None of this is a big deal, but it's sort of interesting.
>One time I put an indoor garbage can, filled with garbage, inside the main
>garbage can. When I got home, the indoor can was still inside the main one,
>but both were empty. The next week I marked it as trash and it was taken.
micky
Sep 3, 2012, 2:20:25 PM9/3/12
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 11:09:34 -0400, willshak <will...@00hvc.rr.com>
wrote:
>Stormin Mormon wrote the following on 9/3/2012 8:30 AM (ET):
>> I've recently been told that I am unsafe and an idiot, for joking about
>> using a .22 gage rifle, to shoot holes in the guard rail. I'm thinking
>> someone will need to comment on using a 308 gage shotgun, to make holes. Are
>> those bigger than a .22 gage rifle?
>>
>> "All I need to know about guns, I learned from Adam-12."
>
>
>I learned how to shoot by watching TV's "The A Team".
But they never shoot anyone, at least not with guns.
I don't think the other sides shoot either.
wrote:
>Stormin Mormon wrote the following on 9/3/2012 8:30 AM (ET):
>> I've recently been told that I am unsafe and an idiot, for joking about
>> using a .22 gage rifle, to shoot holes in the guard rail. I'm thinking
>> someone will need to comment on using a 308 gage shotgun, to make holes. Are
>> those bigger than a .22 gage rifle?
>>
>> "All I need to know about guns, I learned from Adam-12."
>
>
>I learned how to shoot by watching TV's "The A Team".
I don't think the other sides shoot either.
Stormin Mormon
Sep 3, 2012, 3:49:08 PM9/3/12
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Simplicity is a good thing.
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Sep 3, 2012, 3:49:55 PM9/3/12
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Oh, man! You my hero!
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Sep 3, 2012, 4:03:30 PM9/3/12
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 12:29:24 -0400, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> Perhaps a web cam? ;-)
I've thought of it. I wouldn't want the camera stolen so I'd have to be
> Perhaps a web cam? ;-)
adept at camouflage. Also, it's far from power (many hundreds of yards)
so I'd have to have solar & signal beamed from it.
So a camera is problematic. Although it would be a GREAT way to catch the
license plate and report the trashing to the police!
If only I knew how to get it power without having it being seen.
Dean Hoffman
Sep 3, 2012, 4:06:01 PM9/3/12
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On 9/3/12 3:03 PM, James Gagney wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 12:29:24 -0400, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a web cam? ;-)
>
> I've thought of it. I wouldn't want the camera stolen so I'd have to be
> adept at camouflage. Also, it's far from power (many hundreds of yards)
> so I'd have to have solar& signal beamed from it.
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 12:29:24 -0400, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a web cam? ;-)
>
> I've thought of it. I wouldn't want the camera stolen so I'd have to be
> adept at camouflage. Also, it's far from power (many hundreds of yards)
>
> So a camera is problematic. Although it would be a GREAT way to catch the
> license plate and report the trashing to the police!
>
> If only I knew how to get it power without having it being seen.
Game (hunting) cam?
> So a camera is problematic. Although it would be a GREAT way to catch the
> license plate and report the trashing to the police!
>
> If only I knew how to get it power without having it being seen.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 3, 2012, 5:40:00 PM9/3/12
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On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 20:03:30 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney
<jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 12:29:24 -0400, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a web cam? ;-)
>
>I've thought of it. I wouldn't want the camera stolen so I'd have to be
>adept at camouflage. Also, it's far from power (many hundreds of yards)
>so I'd have to have solar & signal beamed from it.
>
>So a camera is problematic. Although it would be a GREAT way to catch the
>license plate and report the trashing to the police!
Perhaps a little profit, too. ;-)
<jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 12:29:24 -0400, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a web cam? ;-)
>
>I've thought of it. I wouldn't want the camera stolen so I'd have to be
>adept at camouflage. Also, it's far from power (many hundreds of yards)
>so I'd have to have solar & signal beamed from it.
>
>So a camera is problematic. Although it would be a GREAT way to catch the
>license plate and report the trashing to the police!
>If only I knew how to get it power without having it being seen.
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micky
Sep 4, 2012, 10:53:35 AM9/4/12
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On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:59:33 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney
<jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:14:25 -0400, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Not usually. I-beam posts would tend to impale cars. Most of the one's
>> I see are maybe 6x6s with about a 4" hole drilled in them so they shear
>> if hit.
>
>Yes. Most of the wood posts (but not all) have the exact huge hole
>drilled near the bottom that you're discussing.
>
>See this photo taken this week at a one-car accident site on the same
>road.
> http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179865/img/9179865.jpg
>
>The wood posts on the ends (maybe the last four or so) have this huge
>hole; the rest of the wood posts (in the middle sections) don't seem to
>have this above-ground hole.
>
>Notice how the wood broke the BMW's momentum.
>
>My next-door neighbor's 19-year old had a brand new bimmer (only about 5K
>miles on the odometer). He thought he was a racer boy on all the curves.
>We're just glad nobody got hurt.
Unless the car is very old, it sounds like he's a spoiled kid to have
an expensive car at age 19. And it shows in his lying.
>
>About a year ago, this racerboy knocked the mirror off my wife's car on a
>tight turn; but the parents wouldn't own up to it (the road barely can
>handle two vehicles passing in opposite directions). They asked the kid
>and he said he didn't do it. To keep neighborly bliss, we dropped the
>issue after mentioning it to the parents.
>
>The kid told his dad he 'swerved' to avoid something in the road. Looking
>at these tire marks, and the lack of any skid marks, I'm guessing he
>simple was either going too fast or he was distracted. Notice the tire
>mark on the shoulder follows the road for about 15 feet before it smacks
>into the guardrail.
>
>I'm not sure how fast he was going, but, that's a straightaway ... just
>after a sharp (270 degree) curve ... so I can't fathom HOW he hit the
>guardrail ... but hit it he did!
I think it's pretty clear that the guardrail swerved. They should
have better guardrails.
You're picture reminds me that I don't think I've ever seen a metal
guardrail held up with wood posts. I drove from Baltimore to
Dallas and back a few years ago and don't r emember it then either.
In the East, I venture to say, they use metal "I-beams", grey or
painted grey, or maybe aluminum. Not as strong as those to build
skyscrapers, I'm sure,
<jamesgagn...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:14:25 -0400, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Not usually. I-beam posts would tend to impale cars. Most of the one's
>> I see are maybe 6x6s with about a 4" hole drilled in them so they shear
>> if hit.
>
>Yes. Most of the wood posts (but not all) have the exact huge hole
>drilled near the bottom that you're discussing.
>
>See this photo taken this week at a one-car accident site on the same
>road.
> http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/9179865/img/9179865.jpg
>
>The wood posts on the ends (maybe the last four or so) have this huge
>hole; the rest of the wood posts (in the middle sections) don't seem to
>have this above-ground hole.
>
>Notice how the wood broke the BMW's momentum.
>
>My next-door neighbor's 19-year old had a brand new bimmer (only about 5K
>miles on the odometer). He thought he was a racer boy on all the curves.
>We're just glad nobody got hurt.
Unless the car is very old, it sounds like he's a spoiled kid to have
an expensive car at age 19. And it shows in his lying.
>
>About a year ago, this racerboy knocked the mirror off my wife's car on a
>tight turn; but the parents wouldn't own up to it (the road barely can
>handle two vehicles passing in opposite directions). They asked the kid
>and he said he didn't do it. To keep neighborly bliss, we dropped the
>issue after mentioning it to the parents.
>
>The kid told his dad he 'swerved' to avoid something in the road. Looking
>at these tire marks, and the lack of any skid marks, I'm guessing he
>simple was either going too fast or he was distracted. Notice the tire
>mark on the shoulder follows the road for about 15 feet before it smacks
>into the guardrail.
>
>I'm not sure how fast he was going, but, that's a straightaway ... just
>after a sharp (270 degree) curve ... so I can't fathom HOW he hit the
>guardrail ... but hit it he did!
I think it's pretty clear that the guardrail swerved. They should
have better guardrails.
You're picture reminds me that I don't think I've ever seen a metal
guardrail held up with wood posts. I drove from Baltimore to
Dallas and back a few years ago and don't r emember it then either.
In the East, I venture to say, they use metal "I-beams", grey or
painted grey, or maybe aluminum. Not as strong as those to build
skyscrapers, I'm sure,
DerbyDad03
Sep 4, 2012, 12:41:03 PM9/4/12
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Do a Google Image search for "highway guardrail post". You'll see both
metal and wooden posts.
In fact, scroll through the images at this site. You'll see some with
metal posts, some with wooden posts, some with metal posts and wooden
standoffs and some where concrete barriers support the guardrails.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/368508439/Highway_Guardrail/showimage.html
You may not have seen any with wooden posts (I'm not doubting you!)
but they do seem to exist.
Ralph Mowery
Sep 4, 2012, 1:04:07 PM9/4/12
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"Dean Hoffman" <""dh0496\"@in*%ebr#&as$ka.com"> wrote in message
news:k211h1$3kb$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> I-70 in Missouri has a couple cables mounted on steel posts in the
> median. I think they're about waist high. I don't remember how they're
> tensioned. They run most of the length of I-70.
The cables are an attempt to keep a car from crossing the medium and hitting
a car head on that is traveling in the opposit direction.
Smitty Two
Sep 4, 2012, 1:37:43 PM9/4/12
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In article <GIednSv_HqsKqdvN...@earthlink.com>,
I know you meant to type median, but I'm confused about how one could
hit a car head-on that *wasn't* traveling in the opposite direction.
hit a car head-on that *wasn't* traveling in the opposite direction.
DerbyDad03
Sep 4, 2012, 2:02:09 PM9/4/12
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On Sep 4, 1:37 pm, Smitty Two <notpublici...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <GIednSv_HqsKqdvNnZ2dnUVZ_sadn...@earthlink.com>,
Car A is travelling at 30 MPH in reverse gear.
Car B is following Car A at 40 MPH in forward gear.
If Car A doesn't speed up or if Car B doesn't slow down, Car B will
hit Car A "head on" even though they are travelling in the same
direction.
From our friends at Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-on_collision
A head-on collision is one where the front ends of two ships, trains,
planes or vehicles hit each other, as opposed to a side collision or
rear-end collision.
> In article <GIednSv_HqsKqdvNnZ2dnUVZ_sadn...@earthlink.com>,
Car B is following Car A at 40 MPH in forward gear.
If Car A doesn't speed up or if Car B doesn't slow down, Car B will
hit Car A "head on" even though they are travelling in the same
direction.
From our friends at Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-on_collision
A head-on collision is one where the front ends of two ships, trains,
planes or vehicles hit each other, as opposed to a side collision or
rear-end collision.
Ralph Mowery
Sep 4, 2012, 2:29:55 PM9/4/12
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"Smitty Two" <notpub...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:notpublicinfo-20E...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> The cables are an attempt to keep a car from crossing the medium and
>> hitting
>> a car head on that is traveling in the opposit direction.
>
> I know you meant to type median, but I'm confused about how one could
> hit a car head-on that *wasn't* traveling in the opposite direction.
Yes, I did mean median. I did use a poor choice of words.
>> hitting
>> a car head on that is traveling in the opposit direction.
>
> I know you meant to type median, but I'm confused about how one could
> hit a car head-on that *wasn't* traveling in the opposite direction.
Maybe it would have been clear if I had said it was to prevent a car that
is heading east and crosses the median from hitting the cars that are in
the west bound lane.
DerbyDad03
Sep 4, 2012, 3:02:35 PM9/4/12
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On Sep 4, 2:30 pm, "Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Smitty Two" <notpublici...@cox.net> wrote in message
So the cables are not there to prevent 2 cars from opposite sides of
the highway from hitting each other if they are both *in* the
median? ;-)
BTW...slightly related to highway guardrails...
I was traveling in the left lane of I-90 this weekend when something
caught my eye in my side view mirror. I looked over and saw the car
behind me only inches from the left guardrail, kicking up dirt and
debris. He was so close behind me that at first I thought he was
trying to pass me on the left shoulder when he suddenly swerved right
to get back onto the highway.
My eyes went from the sideview mirror to the rearview mirror where I
saw him overshoot the left lane, continue into the right lane, causing
another vehicle to swerve onto the right shoulder, kicking up dirt and
debris, and come within inches of that guardrail.
The wayward vehicle stayed in the right lane and the car behind him
slowed down enough to let the innocent driver that was now driving on
the shoulder back in.
I'm glad it all happened behind me and I only had to watch, not be
involved. I'm also glad that there was no real accident, but I think
the driver that got pushed out of his lane was pretty shook up. He
slowed way down real fast and was soon out sight.
> "Smitty Two" <notpublici...@cox.net> wrote in message
the highway from hitting each other if they are both *in* the
median? ;-)
BTW...slightly related to highway guardrails...
I was traveling in the left lane of I-90 this weekend when something
caught my eye in my side view mirror. I looked over and saw the car
behind me only inches from the left guardrail, kicking up dirt and
debris. He was so close behind me that at first I thought he was
trying to pass me on the left shoulder when he suddenly swerved right
to get back onto the highway.
My eyes went from the sideview mirror to the rearview mirror where I
saw him overshoot the left lane, continue into the right lane, causing
another vehicle to swerve onto the right shoulder, kicking up dirt and
debris, and come within inches of that guardrail.
The wayward vehicle stayed in the right lane and the car behind him
slowed down enough to let the innocent driver that was now driving on
the shoulder back in.
I'm glad it all happened behind me and I only had to watch, not be
involved. I'm also glad that there was no real accident, but I think
the driver that got pushed out of his lane was pretty shook up. He
slowed way down real fast and was soon out sight.
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