OT. Gas Pricing

[Dean Hoffman]

I just got back from a trip to Illinois. The lowest price I paid for the 10% ethanol blend was $2.70/gallon. That was in Platte City, MO north of Kansas City. The lowest price I noticed along I-70 was $2.75/gallon. I think that was around Oak Grove, MO. It's about a fourth of the way from KC to Columbia.
It seems to be costing about $2.90/gallon in southeast/south central Nebraska.

[rbowman]

On 05/13/2021 07:26 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> I just got back from a trip to Illinois. The lowest price I paid for the 10% ethanol blend was $2.70/gallon. That was in Platte City, MO north of Kansas City. The lowest price I noticed along I-70 was $2.75/gallon. I think that was around Oak Grove, MO. It's about a fourth of the way from KC to Columbia.
> It seems to be costing about $2.90/gallon in southeast/south central Nebraska.

I think the last time I bought gas it was $2.79. Tonight I noticed the
signs were reading $3.15. We're a hell of a long way from the Colonial
pipeline but any excuse is good for the traditional Memorial Day ramp up.

[Jim Joyce]

I use Gas Buddy to check fuel prices, not only for my area but for any area
around the country.

Here's Platte City, MO, for example, still at about $2.70.
<https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=platte%20city%2C%20mo&fuel=1&maxAge=0&method=>

I use the Gas Buddy app on my smartphone, but the web site works, too. The
site and the app are free, and using them to find gas prices is also free.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Do you find any real value to using it? In my area, any station in 20
miles is within 5 cents. On a trip, if you get off the highway and are
willing to travel a few miles you can save 10 cents away from the
interstate.
A typical fill for me is about 15 gallons. How far is it worth
traveling to save 75 cents? I burn 11 cents a mile at current prices.

[rbowman]

On 05/13/2021 10:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Do you find any real value to using it? In my area, any station in 20
> miles is within 5 cents. On a trip, if you get off the highway and are
> willing to travel a few miles you can save 10 cents away from the
> interstate.
> A typical fill for me is about 15 gallons. How far is it worth
> traveling to save 75 cents? I burn 11 cents a mile at current prices.

At least around here the stations at the interstate exits are the same
price ass in town. My car takes about 9 gallons at the most so it's a
moot point. There's a CostCo a few blocks from work that's acouple of
cents cheaper but they put California Donkey Dicks on the nozzles and
dealing with those isn't worth it. It's bad enough with the car but they
really suck with bikes.

[Clare Snyder]

I can save as much as 8 cents a LITER by filling up at a station on
one side of town vs a station 5 miles away on the other side of town.
When a fillup is 78 liters - so $6.25 savings for 10 mile round trip -
a no-brainer if I can plan the fillup around a trip to that general
end of town - like to pick somethingup at Costco and fill with gas at
the same time.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:45:43 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

My governor declared an emergency, even though most of the state is
not affected by the pipeline but it does freeze gas prices so greedy
station owners can't gouge us.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:45:43 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> On 05/13/2021 07:26 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> I just got back from a trip to Illinois. The lowest price I paid for the 10% ethanol blend was $2.70/gallon. That was in Platte City, MO north of Kansas City. The lowest price I noticed along I-70 was $2.75/gallon. I think that was around Oak Grove, MO. It's about a fourth of the way from KC to Columbia.
>> It seems to be costing about $2.90/gallon in southeast/south central Nebraska.
>
> I think the last time I bought gas it was $2.79.

Thanks, I was just about to ask you how much you paid for gas last time you
bought some!

[Peeler]

On Thu, 13 May 2021 22:43:56 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> At least around here the stations at the interstate exits are the same

> price ass in town....

You can go endlessly like that, eh, gossip girl? LOL

[trader_4]

Here in NJ it can vary by 30 cents, though usually most are fairly close with
just some outliers. Right now the lowest is 2.99, most of the bunch is at
that price. Also the lowest prices are almost always at the same places,
eg Costco. So using Gas Buddy around home isn't that useful, but it is when
traveling out of the area.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/14/2021 12:50 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:

>>>
>>
>> Do you find any real value to using it? In my area, any station in 20
>> miles is within 5 cents. On a trip, if you get off the highway and are
>> willing to travel a few miles you can save 10 cents away from the
>> interstate.
>> A typical fill for me is about 15 gallons. How far is it worth
>> traveling to save 75 cents? I burn 11 cents a mile at current prices.
> I can save as much as 8 cents a LITER by filling up at a station on
> one side of town vs a station 5 miles away on the other side of town.
> When a fillup is 78 liters - so $6.25 savings for 10 mile round trip -
> a no-brainer if I can plan the fillup around a trip to that general
> end of town - like to pick somethingup at Costco and fill with gas at
> the same time.
>

That is more variation that I ever see. Most is 5 cents but when I go
to my daughter's place today it is in a tourist area and it may be 10
cents.

State taxes vary. When I lived in CT I would buy gas when I went to MA
and save 20 cents, but I crossed the border every day for work, etc.
Again, the state varies but station to station was minimal and I passed
on the the cheapest on my way to work.

OK. so I went to the Gas Buddy web site. It did find me gas that was 20
cents cheaper and it is about 100 miles away. I'd bur 4 gallons to save $3.

Glad it works for you, but does not for me.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I used to fill up any time passing through NJ but that advantage went
away a year or two ago. Heading north, I think the last cheap gas is VA.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <mtvnI.130567$lyv9....@fx35.iad>, e...@snet.xxx says...

>
> OK. so I went to the Gas Buddy web site. It did find me gas that was 20
> cents cheaper and it is about 100 miles away. I'd bur 4 gallons to save $3.
>
> Glad it works for you, but does not for me.
>
>

Guess it depends on where you are at.

In NC in the county I live in, in the last 2 hours GB was reporting a
low of $ 2.50 and a high of $ 2.99. A 41 cent difference. That would
be about a $ 5 saving on a tank.

Being retired I don't drive enough to worry about the gas prices and
just fill up when I need gas and pass by a station.

I have started putting the ethanol free gas in my truck as it seldom
gets driven now an usually fill it up when needed at the pump I get the
ethanol free gas for the small engines. That gas usually costs about 50
cents more per gallon around here.

[Frank]

People come from nearby PA and NJ to buy gas here in Delaware where gas
tax is lower. I did pay $2.85 yesterday because of the hacked pipeline.
No stations where closed but I heard of a few that only had high test
available.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <s7m1ib$mrk$1...@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net says...

>
> People come from nearby PA and NJ to buy gas here in Delaware where gas
> tax is lower. I did pay $2.85 yesterday because of the hacked pipeline.
> No stations where closed but I heard of a few that only had high test
> available.
>
>

The TV news was reporting about a 75% outage in NC. From the GasBuddy
listings in the county I live in, that seems about right.
The price is from $ 2.58 to $ 2.99 a gallon for the low end gas.

[Clare Snyder]

On Fri, 14 May 2021 10:06:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 5/14/2021 12:50 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you find any real value to using it? In my area, any station in 20
>>> miles is within 5 cents. On a trip, if you get off the highway and are
>>> willing to travel a few miles you can save 10 cents away from the
>>> interstate.
>>> A typical fill for me is about 15 gallons. How far is it worth
>>> traveling to save 75 cents? I burn 11 cents a mile at current prices.
>> I can save as much as 8 cents a LITER by filling up at a station on
>> one side of town vs a station 5 miles away on the other side of town.
>> When a fillup is 78 liters - so $6.25 savings for 10 mile round trip -
>> a no-brainer if I can plan the fillup around a trip to that general
>> end of town - like to pick somethingup at Costco and fill with gas at
>> the same time.
>>
>
>That is more variation that I ever see. Most is 5 cents but when I go
>to my daughter's place today it is in a tourist area and it may be 10
>cents.
>

And remember, at 8 cents a LITER that is3.78X.o8= $0.30 per american
gallon - or roughly 10% at $3 per gallon/

At $1.20 per liter that difference would be 12 cents a liter
difference for the same percentage.

8 cents a liter is about 7% at $1.20 per l,iter

[Clare Snyder]

Back in the early '70s we had somre gas wars - but there was a
stretch of Highway 6 between Cambrifge and Hamilton wherre the gas was
always cheaper - cheap enough I could drive from elmira to hamilton
fillup going down and again coming back, and save enough onthe gas to
pay for the trip if I left home with less than 1/4 tank. That was when
Iwas paying $0.496 a gallon at home driving a valiant or dart.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Down here the price seems to gain a nickel every 6-10 miles or so from
Ft Myers where it is cheapest to Naples where it is most expensive.
There are also a few independent "shop and rob" places that are
consistently a dime or more higher than anyone around them. I am not
sure how they sell any gas.

[Bob F]

About the same time, there was a real gas war in one suburb near
Detroit. I bought gas there for $.20/gallon.

[Scott Lurndal]

Because a buck fifty isn't worth the time and inconvienence of
checking a dozen stations for the cheapest.

[Dean Hoffman]

It just hit $2.95 in my nearest town in Nebraska. There were places along my route from St. Louis
that diesel was cheaper than gasoline. Ain't that sumthin?

[Rod Speed]

"Scott Lurndal" <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message
news:p2DnI.32229$AU5....@fx29.iad...

You don’t have to check multiple stations anymore, just use
an app to tell you the prices at the ones close enough.

[Jim Joyce]

On Fri, 14 May 2021 00:05:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 5/13/2021 11:51 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:26:59 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
>> <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just got back from a trip to Illinois. The lowest price I paid for the 10% ethanol blend was $2.70/gallon. That was in Platte City, MO north of Kansas City. The lowest price I noticed along I-70 was $2.75/gallon. I think that was around Oak Grove, MO. It's about a fourth of the way from KC to Columbia.
>>> It seems to be costing about $2.90/gallon in southeast/south central Nebraska.
>>
>> I use Gas Buddy to check fuel prices, not only for my area but for any area
>> around the country.
>>
>> Here's Platte City, MO, for example, still at about $2.70.
>> <https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=platte%20city%2C%20mo&fuel=1&maxAge=0&method=>
>>
>> I use the Gas Buddy app on my smartphone, but the web site works, too. The
>> site and the app are free, and using them to find gas prices is also free.
>>
>
>Do you find any real value to using it?

In my local area? No, not any more, but when we had just moved here it was
interesting to see which stations _consistently_ had cheaper gas. We've
been here two years now, so I know where to go. Even so, I sometimes fire
it up on my phone just out of curiosity.

>In my area, any station in 20 miles is within 5 cents.

Checking just now, the spread in my area is 40 cents. That seems to be
pretty typical around here.

>On a trip, if you get off the highway and are
>willing to travel a few miles you can save 10 cents away from the
>interstate.
>A typical fill for me is about 15 gallons. How far is it worth
>traveling to save 75 cents? I burn 11 cents a mile at current prices.

I agree with you there. If you stop and do the math, a few cents a gallon
aren't going to make a big difference. I wanted to top off the pickup
yesterday so I stopped at one of my main stations. Their credit card
readers were down, so rather than pay cash I went across the street where
gas was 2 cents a gallon higher, $2.65 versus $2.63. I put in 8 gallons, so
the difference was 16 cents.

[rbowman]

I remember in the early 2000's some guys bought diesel pickups because
it was cheaper. Then suddenly it wasn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_energy_crisis

If I were cynical I'd say the governments play us like violins.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 14 May 2021 22:11:50 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> I remember

Oh, no! Yet more senile blather!

<FLUSH>

[Peeler]

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[angelica...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:27:02 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just got back from a trip to Illinois. The lowest price I paid for the 10% ethanol blend was $2.70/gallon. That was in Platte City, MO north of Kansas City. The lowest price I noticed along I-70 was $2.75/gallon. I think that was around Oak Grove, MO. It's about a fourth of the way from KC to Columbia.
> It seems to be costing about $2.90/gallon in southeast/south central Nebraska.

I don't pay attention to gas prices. I generally gas up at the station nearest
my house.

Ok, I pay attention to the price enough to note that shortly after the pump
detects my credit card, the price drops about 10 cents per gallon.

Conversely, they seem to have some kind of surveillance on my gas gauge,
and raise it when I'm about due for a fill-up.

Cindy Hamilton

[Larry]

On 5/15/21 5:17 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I don't pay attention to gas prices. I generally gas up at the station nearest
> my house.

We all know you're a wealthy lib. You need to work on being less white.

[Frank]

Now with electronic signs they can change price on a whim.
I recall a station I would pass changing as much as 10 cents more in a
couple of hours after I first passed it.

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

What's your definition of "wealthy"?

And I doubt that anyone who has advocated the sterilization of welfare
recipients (as I have) can truly be called "a lib".

Cindy Hamilton

[Tekkie©]

On Sat, 15 May 2021 02:17:13 -0700 (PDT), angelica...@yahoo.com posted for all
of us to digest...

>
> I don't pay attention to gas prices. I generally gas up at the station nearest
> my house.
>
> Ok, I pay attention to the price enough to note that shortly after the pump
> detects my credit card, the price drops about 10 cents per gallon.
>
> Conversely, they seem to have some kind of surveillance on my gas gauge,
> and raise it when I'm about due for a fill-up.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I thought that I was the only one that had that sensor embedded...

Mine also works on traffic lights. It ALWAYS turns them red for me.

--
Tekkie

[rbowman]

I love the lights that only turn if they sense someone at the stop line.
Someone in a SUV, that is, not on a bike.

[Clare Snyder]

On Fri, 14 May 2021 22:52:39 -0500, Jim Joyce <no...@none.invalid>
wrote:

All conversions in place the Shell station arounf the corner is $US
3.83 a gallon this afternoon. $3.68 over at Costco about 4 miles
away.

[Peeler]

On Sat, 15 May 2021 17:30:12 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> I love the lights that only turn if they sense someone at the stop line.
> Someone in a SUV, that is, not on a bike.

Suppose they always turn green when you appear, just so they no longer have
to hear your endless gossiping.

[Tekkie©]

On Sat, 15 May 2021 17:30:12 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

Understood, PA is like that. I used to try to get on the loop if a bike was in
front of me so it would trip.

The area I live in is getting rid of the loops in favor of cameras that detect
objects in the field of vision. It senses bikes fine. It does not record plates
or drivers faces for enforcement. Also sonar is used to detect traffic
movement, we want people to get out of here as quickly as possible... The state
also requires us to have traffic preemption devices to give priority to
emergency vehicles. Turns all lights red except for the EV which is green. The
cost of traffic signals is about $100k depending on the posts. Then you have
maintenance. When the power goes out the fire co. has to haul out generators to
power the lights otherwise the fire police are out there in all kinds of
weather forever. Drivers don't know they are supposed to stop for a broken
light.

--
Tekkie

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Mon, 17 May 2021 16:18:21 -0400, Tekkie© <Tek...@comcast.net>

wrote:

>
>On Sat, 15 May 2021 17:30:12 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...
>
>>
>> On 05/15/2021 02:48 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sat, 15 May 2021 02:17:13 -0700 (PDT), angelica...@yahoo.com posted for all
>> > of us to digest...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I don't pay attention to gas prices. I generally gas up at the station nearest
>> >> my house.
>> >>
>> >> Ok, I pay attention to the price enough to note that shortly after the pump
>> >> detects my credit card, the price drops about 10 cents per gallon.
>> >>
>> >> Conversely, they seem to have some kind of surveillance on my gas gauge,
>> >> and raise it when I'm about due for a fill-up.
>> >>
>> >> Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >
>> > I thought that I was the only one that had that sensor embedded...
>> >
>> > Mine also works on traffic lights. It ALWAYS turns them red for me.
>> >
>>
>> I love the lights that only turn if they sense someone at the stop line.
>> Someone in a SUV, that is, not on a bike.
>
>Understood, PA is like that. I used to try to get on the loop if a bike was in
>front of me so it would trip.
>
>The

>cost of traffic signals is about $100k depending on the posts. Then you have
>maintenance.

That is for each individual light, not the whole intersection. They
are paying about a million bucks for a "light" here at the entrance of
Lowes.

>When the power goes out the fire co. has to haul out generators to
>power the lights otherwise the fire police are out there in all kinds of
>weather forever. Drivers don't know they are supposed to stop for a broken
>light.

I have never seen that here or in Maryland. They may put a cop there
but usually it is just a free for all

[rbowman]

On 05/17/2021 02:18 PM, Tekkie� wrote:
> The area I live in is getting rid of the loops in favor of cameras that detect
> objects in the field of vision. It senses bikes fine. It does not record plates
> or drivers faces for enforcement. Also sonar is used to detect traffic
> movement, we want people to get out of here as quickly as possible... The state
> also requires us to have traffic preemption devices to give priority to
> emergency vehicles. Turns all lights red except for the EV which is green. The
> cost of traffic signals is about $100k depending on the posts. Then you have
> maintenance. When the power goes out the fire co. has to haul out generators to
> power the lights otherwise the fire police are out there in all kinds of
> weather forever. Drivers don't know they are supposed to stop for a broken
> light.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/montana-bans-red-light-cameras/article_416735b6-4a16-59d2-8616-972654a6cf4f.html

Another little Montana quirk... No RealID, no COVID passport, no
testicles in the girls' sports, no Biden magazine bans, etc. Funny thing
is both the Democratic and Republican governors tell DC to screw off.

They does have the preemption devices. The one that drives me crazy is
an intersection I go through almost every day. If I go straight I have
to make a left turn. If I stay in the left turn lane I make a right turn
to get to the same place which is more efficient.

The straight ahead signal changes first. Sometimes the left turn signal
changes at the same time. Sometimes it's a minute or more. Damned if I
ever figured out the logic.

[Peeler]

On Mon, 17 May 2021 21:22:41 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> https://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/montana-bans-red-light-cameras/article_416735b6-4a16-59d2-8616-972654a6cf4f.html
>
> Another little Montana quirk... No RealID, no COVID passport, no
> testicles in the girls' sports, no Biden magazine bans, etc. Funny thing
> is both the Democratic and Republican governors tell DC to screw off.

AGAIN, senile bigmouth: WTF has all your sick senile drivel got to do with a
ng like ahr?

[Tekkie©]

On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:15:27 -0400, gfre...@aol.com posted for all of us to
digest...

> That is for each individual light, not the whole intersection. They
> are paying about a million bucks for a "light" here at the entrance of
> Lowes.
>

Yes, I misstated the cost, I stand corrected.

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[Tekkie©]

On Mon, 17 May 2021 21:22:41 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

It depends when you trigger the signal. I know the light near me does the same
thing. The state determines the timing, they have eng-inears to figure it all
out...

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[gfre...@aol.com]

On Tue, 18 May 2021 16:11:23 -0400, Tekkie© <Tek...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Lee County has a traffic control computer system that regulates all
the lights at major intersections and it works surprisingly well. Most
of the time you can go 8-10 miles on US 41 past dozens of lights and
never see a red.

[rbowman]

On 05/18/2021 02:11 PM, Tekkie� wrote:
> It depends when you trigger the signal. I know the light near me does the same
> thing. The state determines the timing, they have eng-inears to figure it all
> out...

Yeah, we got some of those too. They're big on 'traffic calming'
rotaries and bulb-outs. The cute little miniature rotaries are fun on a
motorcycle. If you're on a bicycle the bulb-out force you out into the
traffic lane. Great thinking.

One of the main drags is a challenge. The homeless shelter is on the
north side of the street and a microbrewery directly across the street
on the south side. After a homeless citizen got launched to Mars, they
redid it from 4 lanes to 2 and put in two crosswalks with lights.

Not really understanding humans, both crosswalks are a couple of hundred
yards from the bee-line path.

Oh well, the mayor is a Democrat so I imagine he's good at sucking down
federal funding.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <qro8agle6691q5n1f...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...

>
> Lee County has a traffic control computer system that regulates all
> the lights at major intersections and it works surprisingly well. Most
> of the time you can go 8-10 miles on US 41 past dozens of lights and
> never see a red.
>
>

Our small town that is about 15 blocks long on main street has the
lights set so that almost no matter what you do, you get stopped at
every other light. Reason the town gave was so you could (have to )
look at the stores and their display windows.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 18 May 2021 20:13:36 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Oh well, the mayor is a Democrat so I imagine he's good at sucking down
> federal funding.

Most likely NOT as good at blathering endlessly and idiotically as you are,
senile gossip. <BG>

[gfre...@aol.com]

The speed limit on US41 is 50 so they really don't want you looking at
windows and the stores are usually behind a row of trees anyway. They
try to make you forget there are stores back there. They also have
rules than make the signs small and somewhat hidden.
It is tough if you don't know where you are going.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Not if you have enough of a clue to use google maps on your smartphone.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 20 May 2021 16:03:13 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

>> It is tough if you don't know where you are going.
>
> Not if

LOL!!! Pathological auto-contradicing senile pest!

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[Tekkie©]

On Tue, 18 May 2021 21:03:57 -0400, gfre...@aol.com posted for all of us to

Around here they are connected with fiber. Programmed for "rush hour"
conditions. They are now confused because there is no rush hour here. But
traffic is increasing and they are adaptable so I suppose flow will improve.
The trouble with PA is the many of the side streets with short stretches
between the main artery's mess things up. Old single lane roads with no turn
lanes, etc. I am in country bumpkin country with literally cow paths converted
in major roads that do not allow improvement because houses are abutting the
road. The cops can see the images from the cameras and monitor the traffic, but
who has time for that? They are better things to do than traffic tickets.

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[Tekkie©]

On Tue, 18 May 2021 20:13:36 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

>
> One of the main drags is a challenge. The homeless shelter is on the
> north side of the street and a microbrewery directly across the street
> on the south side. After a homeless citizen got launched to Mars, they
> redid it from 4 lanes to 2 and put in two crosswalks with lights.
>

Typical gov't reaction. PA is going the route of roundabouts. The only problem
is they have to purchase the real estate - which in this state can be a
business.

I personally like roundabouts because I despise traffic signals. I wish the
dufus drivers would learn that one does not have to stop to enter, if nobodies
there.
I have a long list of complaints which other posters don't want to hear about.

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[Tekkie©]

On Tue, 18 May 2021 23:16:13 -0400, Ralph Mowery posted for all of us to
digest...

>

f'n a. Thats BS. It for revenue to slow one down. Get rid of those jackholes
and get somebody in there to expand their thinking.

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Tekkie

[Ed Pawlowski]

Going from Philly to the Jersey shore there were a few big roundabouts
(circles) and in the 1970s they got rid of them to make traffic flow
better. I guess what is old is new again.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 20 May 2021 16:09:20 -0400, Tekkie© <Tek...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Roundabouts are great until the traffic overloads them, then you get
lights on the roundabout.
DC is full of them and the big ones ended up getting tunnels under
them. They all have lights.

[rbowman]

On 05/20/2021 02:09 PM, Tekkie� wrote:
> Typical gov't reaction. PA is going the route of roundabouts. The only problem
> is they have to purchase the real estate - which in this state can be a
> business.

We've got one where the circle is tangent to the street centerline if
you can picture that. The high school wasn't giving up an inch of their
athletic field so the whole mess is offset to the south.

> I personally like roundabouts because I despise traffic signals. I wish the
> dufus drivers would learn that one does not have to stop to enter, if nobodies
> there.

Many of the roundabouts here replace 4-way stop intersections, or
intersections that never had stop signs. Those work surprisingly well
with people taking turns or yielding in a civilized manner.

However that does lead to the problem of people still treating them like
4-way stops. The small ones are really bad. If someone is entering 90
degrees to your left there isn't enough room to determine if he's going
to exit on the street where you are, or go 180 degrees.

Large trucks go straight through, as in running over the damn center
section because no way are they going to make it on the pavement. They
used to plant flowers in the center but gave up on that idea,

[Peeler]

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:43:17 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> We've got one where the circle is tangent to the street centerline if

What off topic shit is this about again, you endlessly driveling senile
bigmouth?

[Tekkie©]

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:02:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...

And now in NJ they are installing roundabouts. They gave some baloney how they
were different. :p

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Tekkie

[Tekkie©]

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:43:17 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

That is one of the problems with installing them, they don't have the real
estate to accomplish it properly so they make do, hence the truck *mudding* the
center section and tangents. You are correct in your comments about the small
ones.

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Tekkie

[Tekkie©]

On Thu, 20 May 2021 20:30:53 -0400, gfre...@aol.com posted for all of us to

digest...

>
> On Thu, 20 May 2021 16:09:20 -0400, Tekkie© <Tek...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >On Tue, 18 May 2021 20:13:36 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...
> >
> >>
> >> One of the main drags is a challenge. The homeless shelter is on the
> >> north side of the street and a microbrewery directly across the street
> >> on the south side. After a homeless citizen got launched to Mars, they
> >> redid it from 4 lanes to 2 and put in two crosswalks with lights.
> >>
> >
> >Typical gov't reaction. PA is going the route of roundabouts. The only problem
> >is they have to purchase the real estate - which in this state can be a
> >business.
> >
> >I personally like roundabouts because I despise traffic signals. I wish the
> >dufus drivers would learn that one does not have to stop to enter, if nobodies
> >there.
> >I have a long list of complaints which other posters don't want to hear about.
>
> Roundabouts are great until the traffic overloads them, then you get
> lights on the roundabout.
> DC is full of them and the big ones ended up getting tunnels under
> them. They all have lights.

I hear you. PA is only putting them in remote areas. The only tunneling under
the streets is done by decrepit water pipes breaking.

I only drove in DC once, that was enough.

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Tekkie

[Tekkie©]

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:43:17 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

I forgot to add to my previous post... The developers got pissed at the
township when they mandated the cul-de-sac radius increased. Found out you
couldn't get a fire truck around them, of course they had to increase it more
because the new residents would never park in the street - would they?

--
Tekkie

[rbowman]

On 05/22/2021 01:14 PM, Tekkie� wrote:
> I forgot to add to my previous post... The developers got pissed at the
> township when they mandated the cul-de-sac radius increased. Found out you
> couldn't get a fire truck around them, of course they had to increase it more
> because the new residents would never park in the street - would they?

The company I drove for handled a lot of furniture, most of which was
warehouse to warehouse but every now and then it would be mom and pop
furniture store or very rarely a residential delivery someone had wrangled.

One of the residential deals was out in the boonies north of Boise. The
directions were good but I was a little dubious about the road. So I got
there and we got their shiny new recliner off the truck, which was a
straight 53' trailer, no fancy hydraulic tailgate. The couple were nice
and not spring chicken so I helped them get it into the house and set up
in the living room.

Then came the question that had been bugging me. 'How do I get out of
here?' The nice old gentleman told me the road was a dead end but there
was a cul-de-sac about a half mile further on. He added that it was
going to be tight with my rig but if I ran over a mail box not to worry
since the owner was a son of a bitch. I don't know if that was a
suggestion but I did manage to get the rig pointed in the other
direction without destroying anything.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sat, 22 May 2021 20:12:07 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctZ7hJBSrpM

[Peeler]

On Sat, 22 May 2021 20:12:07 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Then came the question that had been bugging me. 'How do I get out of
> here?'

The one burning question here is, how does one get an endlessly gossiping
senile asshole like you out of this group, lowbrowwoman?

[Thomas Argo]

Gassed up 10 minutes ago. 3.19 reg, 4.25 high test. PA. Oh, I forgot to add point 9.