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home...@home.com
Nov 12, 2012, 4:42:24 PM11/12/12
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Have you ever found some sort of spray or grease that will keep stuff
from freezing? We got rain yesterday, and a deep freeze right
afterwards. Last night both push button door handles on my F-150 truck
were frozen. The push botton door latch on the house storm door and a
slide bolt on my toolshed door was also frozen.
Anyhow, have any of you ever found anything that will keep stuff like
that from freezing? I was wondering about silicone spray? Maybe
vaseline on the slide bolt, but that wont work on the truck? Any other
ideas?
from freezing? We got rain yesterday, and a deep freeze right
afterwards. Last night both push button door handles on my F-150 truck
were frozen. The push botton door latch on the house storm door and a
slide bolt on my toolshed door was also frozen.
Anyhow, have any of you ever found anything that will keep stuff like
that from freezing? I was wondering about silicone spray? Maybe
vaseline on the slide bolt, but that wont work on the truck? Any other
ideas?
Oren
Nov 12, 2012, 4:45:47 PM11/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:42:24 -0600, home...@home.com wrote:
> Any other
>ideas?
Sure. Stop nym-shifting.
> Any other
>ideas?
Sure. Stop nym-shifting.
Larry
Nov 12, 2012, 5:02:00 PM11/12/12
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Try this
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=stop+car+locks+from+freezing
Tony Hwang
Nov 12, 2012, 8:39:16 PM11/12/12
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Graphite spray.
gregz
Nov 12, 2012, 11:27:03 PM11/12/12
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Bic
Spray antifreeze, don't get on paint, I think.
My one boss used to free the lock mechanism with bic.
I use silicone on the rubber window runners.
Greg
Wes Groleau
Nov 13, 2012, 12:23:25 AM11/13/12
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One trick someone suggested is:
Hold the key in a flame till it is quite hot, then stick it into the
frozen lock.
I used to own a car in a place where it got cold enough to try that.
I remember that it worked, but I can't remember whether it _always_ worked.
--
Wes Groleau
"What progress we are making! In the Middle Ages, they would have
burnt me; nowadays they are content with burning my books.”
— Sigmund Freud, 1933
"He was never to know that even that was only an illusory progress,
that ten years later they would have burned his body as well.”
— Ernest Jones, 1953
Hold the key in a flame till it is quite hot, then stick it into the
frozen lock.
I used to own a car in a place where it got cold enough to try that.
I remember that it worked, but I can't remember whether it _always_ worked.
--
Wes Groleau
"What progress we are making! In the Middle Ages, they would have
burnt me; nowadays they are content with burning my books.”
— Sigmund Freud, 1933
"He was never to know that even that was only an illusory progress,
that ten years later they would have burned his body as well.”
— Ernest Jones, 1953
home...@home.com
Nov 13, 2012, 2:26:22 AM11/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 04:27:03 +0000 (UTC), gregz <ze...@comcast.net>
wrote:
WD-40 will evaporate real fast. I dont see that working for any length
of time.
What is BIC?
I've used silicone spray on the rubber gaskets around a car door. It
does help to keep the door from freeing to the gasket. I have not found
anything to work on the metal door buttons or latches yet. I plan to
get another can of silicone and try it as soon as I buy one, unless
someone on here has a better solution.
wrote:
of time.
What is BIC?
I've used silicone spray on the rubber gaskets around a car door. It
does help to keep the door from freeing to the gasket. I have not found
anything to work on the metal door buttons or latches yet. I plan to
get another can of silicone and try it as soon as I buy one, unless
someone on here has a better solution.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 13, 2012, 5:19:53 AM11/13/12
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I've not known of graphite to be a water displacer.
Is there article on the web that describes this? Send URL?
Christopher A. Young
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Hmm,
Graphite spray.
Is there article on the web that describes this? Send URL?
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Hmm,
Graphite spray.
HeyBub
Nov 13, 2012, 6:51:50 AM11/13/12
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Vic Smith
Nov 13, 2012, 8:55:22 AM11/13/12
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Silicone spray works for door seals.
GM has some stuff that works pretty good, Super-Lube I think.
A white lithium or silicone is sometimes recommended for latches.
I've used it, and it's mediocre. The grease is difficult for
penetrating tight places, and the aerosol isn't much better than
WD-40. Maybe only 40-50 times better.
What I have used most successfully for every metal latch/handle/hinge,
car or house, is clean 10w40 motor oil, any brand, out of a dimple or
pump oil can with a small nozzle. Squirt, work the moving parts a few
times, wipe off excess.
willshak
Nov 13, 2012, 9:44:39 AM11/13/12
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home...@home.com wrote the following on 11/13/2012 2:26 AM (ET):
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 04:27:03 +0000 (UTC), gregz <ze...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> <home...@home.com> wrote:
>>> Have you ever found some sort of spray or grease that will keep stuff
>>> from freezing? We got rain yesterday, and a deep freeze right
>>> afterwards. Last night both push button door handles on my F-150 truck
>>> were frozen. The push botton door latch on the house storm door and a
>>> slide bolt on my toolshed door was also frozen.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, have any of you ever found anything that will keep stuff like
>>> that from freezing? I was wondering about silicone spray? Maybe
>>> vaseline on the slide bolt, but that wont work on the truck? Any other
>>> ideas?
>> WD -40
>>
>> Bic
>>
>> Spray antifreeze, don't get on paint, I think.
>>
>> My one boss used to free the lock mechanism with bic.
>>
>> I use silicone on the rubber window runners.
>>
>> Greg
>
> WD-40 will evaporate real fast. I dont see that working for any length
> of time.
>
> What is BIC?
Cigarette lighter?
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 04:27:03 +0000 (UTC), gregz <ze...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> <home...@home.com> wrote:
>>> Have you ever found some sort of spray or grease that will keep stuff
>>> from freezing? We got rain yesterday, and a deep freeze right
>>> afterwards. Last night both push button door handles on my F-150 truck
>>> were frozen. The push botton door latch on the house storm door and a
>>> slide bolt on my toolshed door was also frozen.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, have any of you ever found anything that will keep stuff like
>>> that from freezing? I was wondering about silicone spray? Maybe
>>> vaseline on the slide bolt, but that wont work on the truck? Any other
>>> ideas?
>> WD -40
>>
>> Bic
>>
>> Spray antifreeze, don't get on paint, I think.
>>
>> My one boss used to free the lock mechanism with bic.
>>
>> I use silicone on the rubber window runners.
>>
>> Greg
>
> WD-40 will evaporate real fast. I dont see that working for any length
> of time.
>
> What is BIC?
>
> I've used silicone spray on the rubber gaskets around a car door. It
> does help to keep the door from freeing to the gasket. I have not found
> anything to work on the metal door buttons or latches yet. I plan to
> get another can of silicone and try it as soon as I buy one, unless
> someone on here has a better solution.
>
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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rlz
Nov 13, 2012, 11:57:22 AM11/13/12
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On Nov 13, 7:44 am, willshak <wills...@00hvc.rr.com> wrote:
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BIC is a manufacturer of a cigarette lighter. The suggestions was to
use a BIC to heat up the key, so that when inserted into the lock, the
heat would transfer to the lock causing it to thaw out. If you don't
have a cigarette lighter, you can also use a propane torch, a welding
torch or any other device that produces a controlable flame.
> homeow...@home.com wrote the following on 11/13/2012 2:26 AM (ET):
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> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 04:27:03 +0000 (UTC), gregz <ze...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
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> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 04:27:03 +0000 (UTC), gregz <ze...@comcast.net>
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BIC is a manufacturer of a cigarette lighter. The suggestions was to
use a BIC to heat up the key, so that when inserted into the lock, the
heat would transfer to the lock causing it to thaw out. If you don't
have a cigarette lighter, you can also use a propane torch, a welding
torch or any other device that produces a controlable flame.
home...@home.com
Nov 13, 2012, 5:05:04 PM11/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:57:22 -0800 (PST), rlz <ro...@ellzey.net> wrote:
>
>BIC is a manufacturer of a cigarette lighter. The suggestions was to
>use a BIC to heat up the key, so that when inserted into the lock, the
>heat would transfer to the lock causing it to thaw out. If you don't
>have a cigarette lighter, you can also use a propane torch, a welding
>torch or any other device that produces a controlable flame.
Ok, I knew about those lighters, but thought the guy was referring to
>
>BIC is a manufacturer of a cigarette lighter. The suggestions was to
>use a BIC to heat up the key, so that when inserted into the lock, the
>heat would transfer to the lock causing it to thaw out. If you don't
>have a cigarette lighter, you can also use a propane torch, a welding
>torch or any other device that produces a controlable flame.
some spray or something like a lubricant. In my case, there is no key.
Just the push buttons on the truck door, nad slide bolt on the shed and
house screen door. Another thing to mention is that most of the time
when these things freeze, it's during severe weather, which means wind.
Goodluck trying to use a cig lighter in wind. A propane torch would
work better, but I'd not want to use that on the slide bolt which is
screwed to flammable wood. Even if the wood is not set on fire, the
paint will be ruined, and minutes later the latch will be frozen again.
Since I open my toolshed often in winter, and that slide bolt keeps
freezing, I'll just have to find some other way to latch the door. Till
then, I keep and old hammer next to the door (outside) to pound it loose
when it freezes. That's a pain in the ass to do when it's freezing
cold.
micky
Nov 13, 2012, 5:11:58 PM11/13/12
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Oldsmobile came with rubber covers for the keyholes in the door
handles. Custom-fit, with short rubber straps that went around the
open part of the handle, and had snaps to hold that end on. They
were still in good condition in 1966 when I got the car. Although I
didn't use them.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 13, 2012, 5:30:38 PM11/13/12
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I've seen people cut some plastic (from a milk jug?), or rubber from inner
tube. Staple or nail that over the bolt. That keeps the rain off the bolt.
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tube. Staple or nail that over the bolt. That keeps the rain off the bolt.
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Nov 14, 2012, 5:31:42 AM11/14/12
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:30:38 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I've seen people cut some plastic (from a milk jug?), or rubber from inner
>tube. Staple or nail that over the bolt. That keeps the rain off the bolt.
>
>Christopher A. Young
Not a bad idea, in fact I like it.....
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>I've seen people cut some plastic (from a milk jug?), or rubber from inner
>tube. Staple or nail that over the bolt. That keeps the rain off the bolt.
>
>Christopher A. Young
Stormin Mormon
Nov 14, 2012, 7:11:18 AM11/14/12
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Seems to work for old time country folk.
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The Daring Dufas
Nov 14, 2012, 9:25:32 AM11/14/12
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weather, I always look at what the Russians in Siberia do to cope. ^_^
http://rbth.ru/articles/2012/01/04/struggling_with_snow_14073.html
http://tinyurl.com/c7lebrh
TDD
Stormin Mormon
Nov 14, 2012, 9:44:38 AM11/14/12
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The article says the only way to regulate the indoor temp is by opening
windows. To my way of thinking, if they covered parts of the radiators, it
would reduce the heat input into the room. The heat would go back to the
plant, and reduce the fuel consumption. Uncover as more heat is needed.
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windows. To my way of thinking, if they covered parts of the radiators, it
would reduce the heat input into the room. The heat would go back to the
plant, and reduce the fuel consumption. Uncover as more heat is needed.
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Stormin Mormon
Nov 14, 2012, 9:49:16 AM11/14/12
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Maybe that's the secret. I need a fur coat,a nd to blubber more?
(blubbering) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y6gmt97J4g
(blubbering) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y6gmt97J4g
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out, and make sure the little flap over the key hole is working, it won't
freeze if you keep the water out.
For push buttons, use a white grease around the button and work it in, again
to keep water out so it won't freeze. Freezing rain will still build up over
the button (and the key hole) making it difficult to use, but there is
nothing you can do about it, other than keeping water from entering and
freezing inside the mechanism.
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Tony Hwang
Nov 15, 2012, 12:04:02 AM11/15/12
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Stormin Mormon
Nov 15, 2012, 7:44:32 AM11/15/12
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Born In Covenant. (Mormon term.)
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DerbyDad03
Nov 15, 2012, 8:12:40 AM11/15/12
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radiator is partially covered.
First tell us what kind of radiators they have and how you would cover them
to accomplish your goal.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 15, 2012, 8:33:16 AM11/15/12
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Physics: If the circulating water is in insulated tube like the delivery
system, the water retains the heat, rather than radiating it. If the water
is in uninsulated metal such as a radiator, the heat radiates. If the
radiator is insulated, the heat stays in the water, and the returning water
is hotter, and needs less heating.
I've not been to Russia, and don't know the details. The article also didn't
say. I'm guessing it's water circulation. Cast iron radiators. And, to "turn
down the heat" would be to partly cover the radiators with something like
fiberglass insulation, or a blanket.
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The article says the only way to regulate the indoor temp is by opening
> windows. To my way of thinking, if they covered parts of the radiators, it
> would reduce the heat input into the room. The heat would go back to the
> plant, and reduce the fuel consumption. Uncover as more heat is needed.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
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system, the water retains the heat, rather than radiating it. If the water
is in uninsulated metal such as a radiator, the heat radiates. If the
radiator is insulated, the heat stays in the water, and the returning water
is hotter, and needs less heating.
I've not been to Russia, and don't know the details. The article also didn't
say. I'm guessing it's water circulation. Cast iron radiators. And, to "turn
down the heat" would be to partly cover the radiators with something like
fiberglass insulation, or a blanket.
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The article says the only way to regulate the indoor temp is by opening
> windows. To my way of thinking, if they covered parts of the radiators, it
> would reduce the heat input into the room. The heat would go back to the
> plant, and reduce the fuel consumption. Uncover as more heat is needed.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
DerbyDad03
Nov 15, 2012, 4:03:26 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 8:38 am, "Stormin Mormon"
yours for the sake of the discussion. My radiators are before yours in
the system. I decide to cover 1/2 of my radiators to keep the heat
down.
Wouldn't your apartment be hotter than before I covered my radiators?
Based on your explanation - which I am not necessarily doubting - the
water reaching your radiators would be hotter, therefore your
radiators would radiate more heat, which would mean that you would
have to cover more of your radiators than I did to maintain the same
heat, right?
Then the outside temperature goes down and I want more heat, so I
uncover 1/2 of the 1/2 I had covered. Now the water reaching your
radiators is cooler, so you need more heat for 2 reasons: 1, it's
colder outside and 2, the water reaching your radiator is cooler
because more of the heat is radiating into my apartment. Therefore you
have to uncover more of your radiator.
Now, extrapolate that out to 10 apartments or 50 or more. That seems
like a lot of constant covering and uncovering to maintain a
comfortable temperature in each apartment. Everytime someone makes a
change, the whole building is affected.
I think I'd stick with opening and closing windows which only impact
single apartments, or even single rooms within each apartment.
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Physics: If the circulating water is in insulated tube like the delivery
> system, the water retains the heat, rather than radiating it. If the water
> is in uninsulated metal such as a radiator, the heat radiates. If the
> radiator is insulated, the heat stays in the water, and the returning water
> is hotter, and needs less heating.
>
> I've not been to Russia, and don't know the details. The article also didn't
> say. I'm guessing it's water circulation. Cast iron radiators. And, to "turn
> down the heat" would be to partly cover the radiators with something like
> fiberglass insulation, or a blanket.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "DerbyDad03" <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote in message
> Physics: If the circulating water is in insulated tube like the delivery
> system, the water retains the heat, rather than radiating it. If the water
> is in uninsulated metal such as a radiator, the heat radiates. If the
> radiator is insulated, the heat stays in the water, and the returning water
> is hotter, and needs less heating.
>
> I've not been to Russia, and don't know the details. The article also didn't
> say. I'm guessing it's water circulation. Cast iron radiators. And, to "turn
> down the heat" would be to partly cover the radiators with something like
> fiberglass insulation, or a blanket.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > The article says the only way to regulate the indoor temp is by opening
> > windows. To my way of thinking, if they covered parts of the radiators, it
> > would reduce the heat input into the room. The heat would go back to the
> > plant, and reduce the fuel consumption. Uncover as more heat is needed.
>
> > Christopher A. Young
> > Learn more about Jesus
> > www.lds.org
> > .
>
> >http://rbth.ru/articles/2012/01/04/struggling_with_snow_14073.html
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/c7lebrh
>
> > TDD
>
> Please explain the physics behind the heat returning to the plant if the
> radiator is partially covered.
>
> First tell us what kind of radiators they have and how you would cover them
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> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > The article says the only way to regulate the indoor temp is by opening
> > windows. To my way of thinking, if they covered parts of the radiators, it
> > would reduce the heat input into the room. The heat would go back to the
> > plant, and reduce the fuel consumption. Uncover as more heat is needed.
>
> > Christopher A. Young
> > Learn more about Jesus
> > www.lds.org
> > .
>
> >http://rbth.ru/articles/2012/01/04/struggling_with_snow_14073.html
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/c7lebrh
>
> > TDD
>
> Please explain the physics behind the heat returning to the plant if the
> radiator is partially covered.
>
> First tell us what kind of radiators they have and how you would cover them
>
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So let's say you and I live in the same building. Just my family and
> - Show quoted text -
yours for the sake of the discussion. My radiators are before yours in
the system. I decide to cover 1/2 of my radiators to keep the heat
down.
Wouldn't your apartment be hotter than before I covered my radiators?
Based on your explanation - which I am not necessarily doubting - the
water reaching your radiators would be hotter, therefore your
radiators would radiate more heat, which would mean that you would
have to cover more of your radiators than I did to maintain the same
heat, right?
Then the outside temperature goes down and I want more heat, so I
uncover 1/2 of the 1/2 I had covered. Now the water reaching your
radiators is cooler, so you need more heat for 2 reasons: 1, it's
colder outside and 2, the water reaching your radiator is cooler
because more of the heat is radiating into my apartment. Therefore you
have to uncover more of your radiator.
Now, extrapolate that out to 10 apartments or 50 or more. That seems
like a lot of constant covering and uncovering to maintain a
comfortable temperature in each apartment. Everytime someone makes a
change, the whole building is affected.
I think I'd stick with opening and closing windows which only impact
single apartments, or even single rooms within each apartment.
chaniarts
Nov 15, 2012, 4:11:31 PM11/15/12
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hold up.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 15, 2012, 5:05:10 PM11/15/12
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Lets say you're in apartment building with a lot of units. You're in the
first apartment. You want the room colder, so you open the window. The room
now has colder air, so there is greater delta T from the room to the
radiator. The radiator loses heat faster, and cools to a lower temp (lower
room temp) so the next guy gets colder water. And, the water going back to
the heating plant is colder, also. So they use more fuel. See? Opening
windows does at least two bad things. One of which is to cool the water that
the later apartments need.
first apartment. You want the room colder, so you open the window. The room
now has colder air, so there is greater delta T from the room to the
radiator. The radiator loses heat faster, and cools to a lower temp (lower
room temp) so the next guy gets colder water. And, the water going back to
the heating plant is colder, also. So they use more fuel. See? Opening
windows does at least two bad things. One of which is to cool the water that
the later apartments need.
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Stormin Mormon
Nov 15, 2012, 5:05:58 PM11/15/12
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Opening windows requires more fuel at the plant, regardless of the number of
loops.
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loops.
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Nov 15, 2012, 5:08:27 PM11/15/12
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So let's say you and I live in the same building. Just my family and
yours for the sake of the discussion. My radiators are before yours in
the system. I decide to cover 1/2 of my radiators to keep the heat
down.
Wouldn't your apartment be hotter than before I covered my radiators?
Based on your explanation - which I am not necessarily doubting - the
water reaching your radiators would be hotter, therefore your
radiators would radiate more heat, which would mean that you would
have to cover more of your radiators than I did to maintain the same
heat, right?
Then the outside temperature goes down and I want more heat, so I
uncover 1/2 of the 1/2 I had covered. Now the water reaching your
radiators is cooler, so you need more heat for 2 reasons: 1, it's
colder outside and 2, the water reaching your radiator is cooler
because more of the heat is radiating into my apartment. Therefore you
have to uncover more of your radiator.
Now, extrapolate that out to 10 apartments or 50 or more. That seems
like a lot of constant covering and uncovering to maintain a
comfortable temperature in each apartment. Everytime someone makes a
change, the whole building is affected.
I think I'd stick with opening and closing windows which only impact
single apartments, or even single rooms within each apartment.
cooling the rads by exposing them to outdoor air will affect other
apartments? I enjoy this technical discussion, and hope we can bounce the
ideas back and forth. Pong! Coming your way....
Stormin Mormon
Nov 15, 2012, 5:05:58 PM11/15/12
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Opening windows requires more fuel at the plant, regardless of the number of
loops.
loops.
Han
Nov 15, 2012, 5:12:57 PM11/15/12
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:nJdps.629$hm3...@fe38.iad:
> Lets say you're in apartment building with a lot of units. You're in
> the first apartment. You want the room colder, so you open the
> window. The room now has colder air, so there is greater delta T from
> the room to the radiator. The radiator loses heat faster, and cools to
> a lower temp (lower room temp) so the next guy gets colder water. And,
> the water going back to the heating plant is colder, also. So they use
> more fuel. See? Opening windows does at least two bad things. One of
> which is to cool the water that the later apartments need.
This assumes there is 1 continous loop. Highly unlikely, don't you
think? Probably the loops are for individual units, from a main central
loop. So your return (colder) water does NOT have to heat someone else's
unit. But the same reasoning for covering the radiator rather than
opening a window still holds - total heat loss is less, and so operation
is more economical.
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news:nJdps.629$hm3...@fe38.iad:
> Lets say you're in apartment building with a lot of units. You're in
> the first apartment. You want the room colder, so you open the
> window. The room now has colder air, so there is greater delta T from
> the room to the radiator. The radiator loses heat faster, and cools to
> a lower temp (lower room temp) so the next guy gets colder water. And,
> the water going back to the heating plant is colder, also. So they use
> more fuel. See? Opening windows does at least two bad things. One of
> which is to cool the water that the later apartments need.
think? Probably the loops are for individual units, from a main central
loop. So your return (colder) water does NOT have to heat someone else's
unit. But the same reasoning for covering the radiator rather than
opening a window still holds - total heat loss is less, and so operation
is more economical.
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Han
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DerbyDad03
Nov 15, 2012, 7:32:48 PM11/15/12
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not issuing radiator covers to all comrades? Maybe someone in the politburo
should subscribe to usenet and start reading a.h.r.
Han
Nov 15, 2012, 8:54:08 PM11/15/12
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DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in
news:250095316374718315.603...@nntp.aioe.org:
I hope you aren't literally asking me to asnwer that question <grin>.
Perhaps it is because such a steam(?)-powered system is very efficient
and cheap to operate (there are systems like that in other places too,
such as parts of NY City). Perhaps it is there, and the fuel is rather
cheap (Russia is an oil- and gas-exporting country, big time).
news:250095316374718315.603...@nntp.aioe.org:
Perhaps it is because such a steam(?)-powered system is very efficient
and cheap to operate (there are systems like that in other places too,
such as parts of NY City). Perhaps it is there, and the fuel is rather
cheap (Russia is an oil- and gas-exporting country, big time).
Wes Groleau
Nov 15, 2012, 9:48:53 PM11/15/12
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>> Now, extrapolate that out to 10 apartments or 50 or more. That seems
>> like a lot of constant covering and uncovering to maintain a
>> comfortable temperature in each apartment. Everytime someone makes a
>> change, the whole building is affected.
>>
>> I think I'd stick with opening and closing windows which only impact
>> single apartments, or even single rooms within each apartment.
>
> multiple loops. they're not all on the same loop. your example doesn't
> hold up.
tenants and (2) they have half a clue about the effect of their actions.
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Wes Groleau
“Missing a train is only painful if you run after it!”
— Nassim Nicholas Taleb
DerbyDad03
Nov 16, 2012, 5:35:02 AM11/16/12
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Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>> Now, extrapolate that out to 10 apartments or 50 or more. That seems
>>> like a lot of constant covering and uncovering to maintain a
>>> comfortable temperature in each apartment. Everytime someone makes a
>>> change, the whole building is affected.
>>>
>>> I think I'd stick with opening and closing windows which only impact
>>> single apartments, or even single rooms within each apartment.
>>
>> multiple loops. they're not all on the same loop. your example doesn't
>> hold up.
>
> Even if they were, the example assumes (1) the tenants care about other
> tenants and (2) they have half a clue about the effect of their actions.
The example makes no such assumption. It discusses nothing more than cause
>>> Now, extrapolate that out to 10 apartments or 50 or more. That seems
>>> like a lot of constant covering and uncovering to maintain a
>>> comfortable temperature in each apartment. Everytime someone makes a
>>> change, the whole building is affected.
>>>
>>> I think I'd stick with opening and closing windows which only impact
>>> single apartments, or even single rooms within each apartment.
>>
>> multiple loops. they're not all on the same loop. your example doesn't
>> hold up.
>
> Even if they were, the example assumes (1) the tenants care about other
> tenants and (2) they have half a clue about the effect of their actions.
and effect.
vincentverges
Nov 16, 2012, 4:19:10 AM11/16/12
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Simple way to prevent latches from freezing is to apply Petroleum jelly
or Vaseline.
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Dotty
Nov 29, 2021, 10:02:44 AM11/29/21
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TAke care with that hammer > I did that last year and busted the latch ..
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Dotty
Nov 29, 2021, 10:02:44 AM11/29/21
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*Hand sanitizer
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