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burfordTjustice
Dec 19, 2016, 7:11:54 AM12/19/16
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Not for viewing by Brits, Girlie men and other
cowardly types (democrats).
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cowardly types (democrats).
http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1
FromTheRafters
Dec 19, 2016, 7:48:11 AM12/19/16
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burfordTjustice brought next idea :
> Not for viewing by Brits, Girlie men and other
> cowardly types (democrats).
>
> http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db229.htm
> cowardly types (democrats).
>
> http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1
Meanie
Dec 19, 2016, 9:00:40 AM12/19/16
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FromTheRafters
Dec 19, 2016, 11:15:24 AM12/19/16
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Meanie brought next idea :
I heard about that. As I get older I collect more doctors, I've got
three now and am about to get another. Doesn't bode well for me. :)
OTOH I don't have any gerbils, so I got *that* going for me.
three now and am about to get another. Doesn't bode well for me. :)
OTOH I don't have any gerbils, so I got *that* going for me.
ZZyXX
Dec 19, 2016, 3:44:54 PM12/19/16
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https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/
Nov 30, 2015 - There are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the U.S.
View annual gun homicides in the US 1981 - 2014. More Americans are
injured with guns than killed. The number of Americans injured with
firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to measure
non-fatal shootings are less reliable.
and the majority were by christians
burfordTjustice
Dec 19, 2016, 4:08:59 PM12/19/16
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Are you too much of a coward to defend yourself and family and think
someone else will do it for you?
You bring your pitchfork to the fight...
ZZyXX
Dec 21, 2016, 1:24:56 AM12/21/16
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On 12/19/16 1:08 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:44:40 -0800
> ZZyXX <zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>
>> On 12/19/16 4:11 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>> Not for viewing by Brits, Girlie men and other
>>> cowardly types (democrats).
>>>
>>> http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1
>>>
>>
>> Gun Violence by the Numbers - EverytownResearch.org
>> https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/
>> Nov 30, 2015 - There are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the
>> U.S. View annual gun homicides in the US 1981 - 2014. More Americans
>> are injured with guns than killed. The number of Americans injured
>> with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to
>> measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> and the majority were by christians
>
> What is about self protection and defending your own that scares you?
what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection to you?
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:44:40 -0800
> ZZyXX <zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>
>> On 12/19/16 4:11 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>> Not for viewing by Brits, Girlie men and other
>>> cowardly types (democrats).
>>>
>>> http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1
>>>
>>
>> Gun Violence by the Numbers - EverytownResearch.org
>> https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/
>> Nov 30, 2015 - There are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the
>> U.S. View annual gun homicides in the US 1981 - 2014. More Americans
>> are injured with guns than killed. The number of Americans injured
>> with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to
>> measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> and the majority were by christians
>
> What is about self protection and defending your own that scares you?
gfre...@aol.com
Dec 21, 2016, 2:04:41 AM12/21/16
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:24:51 -0800, ZZyXX
<zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection to you?
If you are going to preach, at least get your numbers right
<zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection to you?
12,000 is bullshit
The FBI says there were 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the last year with
data. That is down from 8,454 in 2013.
Stop listening to Rachel Madcow for your information and look at the
FBI UCR.
<https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls>
BTW during the 2013 and 2014 years we added 42 million new guns to
private ownership (again the FBI)
spam@thnks.com ChairMan
Dec 21, 2016, 9:38:55 PM12/21/16
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ZZyXX wrote:
> On 12/19/16 1:08 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:44:40 -0800
>> ZZyXX <zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/19/16 4:11 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>>> Not for viewing by Brits, Girlie men and other
>>>> cowardly types (democrats).
>>>>
>>>> http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1
>>>>
>>>
>>> Gun Violence by the Numbers - EverytownResearch.org
>>> https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/
>>> Nov 30, 2015 - There are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the
>>> U.S. View annual gun homicides in the US 1981 - 2014. More Americans
>>> are injured with guns than killed. The number of Americans injured
>>> with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to
>>> measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and the majority were by christians
>>
>> What is about self protection and defending your own that scares you?
>
> what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection
> to you?
Really? Got a cite for that?
> On 12/19/16 1:08 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:44:40 -0800
>> ZZyXX <zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/19/16 4:11 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>>> Not for viewing by Brits, Girlie men and other
>>>> cowardly types (democrats).
>>>>
>>>> http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1
>>>>
>>>
>>> Gun Violence by the Numbers - EverytownResearch.org
>>> https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/
>>> Nov 30, 2015 - There are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the
>>> U.S. View annual gun homicides in the US 1981 - 2014. More Americans
>>> are injured with guns than killed. The number of Americans injured
>>> with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to
>>> measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and the majority were by christians
>>
>> What is about self protection and defending your own that scares you?
>
> what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection
> to you?
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/assorted-myths/
Oren
Dec 21, 2016, 10:03:53 PM12/21/16
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:38:53 -0600, "ChairMan" <no sp...@thnks.com>
wrote:
>> what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection
>> to you?
>
>Really? Got a cite for that?
>
>http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/assorted-myths/
>
+ 1 The guy that puts that data together, Guy Smith is actually a
Libertarian.
Here are some other numbers.
"NEW YORK – More than 50,000 Americans died from drug overdoses last
year, the most ever.
The disastrous tally has been pushed to new heights by soaring abuse
of heroin and prescription painkillers, a class of drugs known as
opioids.
Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
released Thursday.
<http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/12/09/grim-tally-soars-more-than-50k-overdose-deaths-in-us.html>
And.
CHICAGO – Accidental overdoses aren't the only deadly risk from using
power prescription painkillers. A new study says the drugs may also
contribute to heart-related deaths and other fatalities.
The study involved patients given prescription medicines for chronic
pain, including persistent backaches and arthritis. Outcomes for
patients on other types of painkillers were compared with those on
long-acting opioids including controlled-release oxycodone, methadone
and fentanyl skin patches.
<http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/06/14/opioids-linked-with-deaths-other-than-overdoses-study-says.html>
...phuc them gun grabbers
wrote:
>> what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection
>> to you?
>
>Really? Got a cite for that?
>
>http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/assorted-myths/
>
Libertarian.
Here are some other numbers.
"NEW YORK – More than 50,000 Americans died from drug overdoses last
year, the most ever.
The disastrous tally has been pushed to new heights by soaring abuse
of heroin and prescription painkillers, a class of drugs known as
opioids.
Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
released Thursday.
<http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/12/09/grim-tally-soars-more-than-50k-overdose-deaths-in-us.html>
And.
CHICAGO – Accidental overdoses aren't the only deadly risk from using
power prescription painkillers. A new study says the drugs may also
contribute to heart-related deaths and other fatalities.
The study involved patients given prescription medicines for chronic
pain, including persistent backaches and arthritis. Outcomes for
patients on other types of painkillers were compared with those on
long-acting opioids including controlled-release oxycodone, methadone
and fentanyl skin patches.
<http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/06/14/opioids-linked-with-deaths-other-than-overdoses-study-says.html>
...phuc them gun grabbers
gfre...@aol.com
Dec 21, 2016, 10:39:43 PM12/21/16
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:03:46 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
>than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
>released Thursday.
You should know where 12,000 comes from. The FBI says "firearms, all
>Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
>than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
>released Thursday.
types, is more like 8,200 (8,454 in 2013, 8,124 in 2014)
The total number of homicides was 12,253 in 2013 and 11,961 in 2014.
That is all weapons, including around 1500 stabbings around 700 bare
hand beatings and a handful of other methods.
<https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls>
I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
related.
Oren
Dec 21, 2016, 10:55:40 PM12/21/16
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has made up their mind, you can't stop them.
Hammers, clubs, bats, knives, etc., are used more often than guns to
commit murder.
What some don't get is killing a person is legal and authorized by
law.
gfre...@aol.com
Dec 21, 2016, 11:30:02 PM12/21/16
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:55:33 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:39:04 -0500, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:03:46 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>>Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
>>>than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
>>>released Thursday.
>>
>>You should know where 12,000 comes from. The FBI says "firearms, all
>>types, is more like 8,200 (8,454 in 2013, 8,124 in 2014)
>>The total number of homicides was 12,253 in 2013 and 11,961 in 2014.
>>That is all weapons, including around 1500 stabbings around 700 bare
>>hand beatings and a handful of other methods.
>><https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls>
>>
>>I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
>>need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
>>related.
>
>Gun "homicides" also include suicide. If a person is determined and
>has made up their mind, you can't stop them.
>
Not in the "12,000" number. Suicide is how they get up to 34,000 or
>On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:39:04 -0500, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:03:46 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>>Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
>>>than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
>>>released Thursday.
>>
>>You should know where 12,000 comes from. The FBI says "firearms, all
>>types, is more like 8,200 (8,454 in 2013, 8,124 in 2014)
>>The total number of homicides was 12,253 in 2013 and 11,961 in 2014.
>>That is all weapons, including around 1500 stabbings around 700 bare
>>hand beatings and a handful of other methods.
>><https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls>
>>
>>I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
>>need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
>>related.
>
>Gun "homicides" also include suicide. If a person is determined and
>has made up their mind, you can't stop them.
>
whatever other BS number you see.
>Hammers, clubs, bats, knives, etc., are used more often than guns to
>commit murder.
>
>What some don't get is killing a person is legal and authorized by
>law.
for 2014 was 444 (justifiable homicide)
Oren
Dec 21, 2016, 11:57:38 PM12/21/16
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number. <https://tinyurl.com/ztu9782> 2010-2014
A well armed society is a polite society :-\
gfre...@aol.com
Dec 22, 2016, 12:18:06 AM12/22/16
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:57:30 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>Violent Crimes have gone down yet gun sales have gone up, by a large
>number. <https://tinyurl.com/ztu9782> 2010-2014
>
>A well armed society is a polite society :-\
Absolutely. The NCIS has done over 250,000,000 gun checks since 1998
>Violent Crimes have gone down yet gun sales have gone up, by a large
>number. <https://tinyurl.com/ztu9782> 2010-2014
>
>A well armed society is a polite society :-\
and 24,000,000 this year
FromTheRafters
Dec 22, 2016, 8:07:16 AM12/22/16
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After serious thinking Oren wrote :
I'm surprised that they don't lump heroin overdoses in as "shooting
deaths".
deaths".
FromTheRafters
Dec 22, 2016, 8:18:59 AM12/22/16
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Oren laid this down on his screen :
If you are talking about defense of self or others it is not legal per
se, but it is a legal defense in a court of law. If it were truly
legal, they couldn't arrest you for it. Even the police can be tried in
a court of law.
Muggles once said a similar thing about resisting arrest. It is not
legal to do so, but if you do do so, there are legal defenses which can
be successfully applied if the circumstances are right.
se, but it is a legal defense in a court of law. If it were truly
legal, they couldn't arrest you for it. Even the police can be tried in
a court of law.
Muggles once said a similar thing about resisting arrest. It is not
legal to do so, but if you do do so, there are legal defenses which can
be successfully applied if the circumstances are right.
ZZyXX
Dec 22, 2016, 3:22:15 PM12/22/16
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On 12/20/16 11:04 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:24:51 -0800, ZZyXX
> <zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>
>
>> what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection to you?
>
> If you are going to preach, at least get your numbers right
> 12,000 is bullshit
I'm just using the numbers burfordTjustice provided
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:24:51 -0800, ZZyXX
> <zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>
>
>> what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection to you?
>
> If you are going to preach, at least get your numbers right
> 12,000 is bullshit
>
> The FBI says there were 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the last year with
> data. That is down from 8,454 in 2013.
http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php says that in
2016, there were 11,226 gun homicides as of 22 Dec
> Stop listening to Rachel Madcow for your information and look at the
> FBI UCR.
> <https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls>
>
ZZyXX
Dec 22, 2016, 3:23:48 PM12/22/16
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On 12/21/16 7:39 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
> need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
> related.
Why? Personally they should point out how many are done with "legal" guns
> I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
> need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
> related.
gfre...@aol.com
Dec 22, 2016, 4:56:02 PM12/22/16
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 12:22:10 -0800, ZZyXX
<zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>> The FBI says there were 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the last year with
>> data. That is down from 8,454 in 2013.
>
>However the CDC says there were 10,945 firearm homicides in 2015
>
>http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php says that in
>2016, there were 11,226 gun homicides as of 22 Dec
I think I will believe a web site from "FBI.GOV" not Romans.com
<zz...@CampSodaRestorationProject.null> wrote:
>> The FBI says there were 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the last year with
>> data. That is down from 8,454 in 2013.
>
>However the CDC says there were 10,945 firearm homicides in 2015
>
>http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php says that in
>2016, there were 11,226 gun homicides as of 22 Dec
Who knows where they get that number and what it includes.
gfre...@aol.com
Dec 22, 2016, 4:57:56 PM12/22/16
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murdered people and few of their guns are legally purchased because
they are generally ineligible to buy a gun (age, criminal record, out
of state etc)
Oren
Dec 22, 2016, 6:44:59 PM12/22/16
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 08:07:10 -0500, FromTheRafters
<err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>I'm surprised that they don't lump heroin overdoses in as "shooting
>deaths".
Hey. Don't give them any ideas.
<err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>I'm surprised that they don't lump heroin overdoses in as "shooting
>deaths".
Oren
Dec 22, 2016, 6:50:08 PM12/22/16
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 08:18:52 -0500, FromTheRafters
<err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> What some don't get is killing a person is legal and authorized by
>> law.
>
>If you are talking about defense of self or others it is not legal per
>se, but it is a legal defense in a court of law. If it were truly
>legal, they couldn't arrest you for it. Even the police can be tried in
>a court of law.
>
>Muggles once said a similar thing about resisting arrest. It is not
>legal to do so, but if you do do so, there are legal defenses which can
>be successfully applied if the circumstances are right.
Use of deadly force is written into laws, justified homicide also.
<err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> What some don't get is killing a person is legal and authorized by
>> law.
>
>If you are talking about defense of self or others it is not legal per
>se, but it is a legal defense in a court of law. If it were truly
>legal, they couldn't arrest you for it. Even the police can be tried in
>a court of law.
>
>Muggles once said a similar thing about resisting arrest. It is not
>legal to do so, but if you do do so, there are legal defenses which can
>be successfully applied if the circumstances are right.
Authorized for police and civilians. I'm talking about a legal killin'
under the law.
--
you never meet a horse that needs stealing, but you meet a man that needs killin'
ZZyXX
Dec 22, 2016, 7:28:15 PM12/22/16
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how murders equate with self-defense
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