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micky
Nov 2, 2012, 10:33:37 PM11/2/12
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Someone told me that FIOS doesn t work without AC.
Is that so? For intenet, phone, *and* TV? (I guess the TV and
intenet don't matter, since they won't work either without AC, but the
phone would..)
I know most people use a cell phone when their home phone doesn't
work, but I like having the home phone too.
Is that so? For intenet, phone, *and* TV? (I guess the TV and
intenet don't matter, since they won't work either without AC, but the
phone would..)
I know most people use a cell phone when their home phone doesn't
work, but I like having the home phone too.
gregz
Nov 2, 2012, 10:58:05 PM11/2/12
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My comcast cable box modem, phone, runs on ac and battery backup for some
length of time.
Greg
Retired
Nov 3, 2012, 12:06:45 AM11/3/12
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missin...@brainchampagne.com
Nov 3, 2012, 12:14:33 AM11/3/12
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I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone over to fiber. Thus ensuring that in the event of a disaster nobody has phone service after a few hours. I asked about a bigger battery and was told that the charger they use isn't powerful enough for it.
They call this progress.
By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so you can never go back to it.
They call this progress.
By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so you can never go back to it.
micky
Nov 3, 2012, 12:31:40 AM11/3/12
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On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 02:58:05 +0000 (UTC), gregz <ze...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> Someone told me that FIOS doesn t work without AC.
>>
>> Is that so? For intenet, phone, *and* TV? (I guess the TV and
>> intenet don't matter, since they won't work either without AC, but the
>> phone would..)
>>
>> I know most people use a cell phone when their home phone doesn't
>> work, but I like having the home phone too.
>
>You need a receiver, don't you ! Is light going to power something ?
I don't understand either half of this.
>Greg
wrote:
>micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> Someone told me that FIOS doesn t work without AC.
>>
>> Is that so? For intenet, phone, *and* TV? (I guess the TV and
>> intenet don't matter, since they won't work either without AC, but the
>> phone would..)
>>
>> I know most people use a cell phone when their home phone doesn't
>> work, but I like having the home phone too.
>
>You need a receiver, don't you ! Is light going to power something ?
>
>My comcast cable box modem, phone, runs on ac and battery backup for some
>length of time.
Looks like Verizon does too. I will have to tell my friend.
>My comcast cable box modem, phone, runs on ac and battery backup for some
>length of time.
>Greg
micky
Nov 3, 2012, 12:41:59 AM11/3/12
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I don't think Verizon put a good battery in the thing when they
installed it, only a short while ago. She says during the power
failure, calls went straight to voicemail without ringing the phone
even when she was home, and I noticed that myself when I called her
once. Of course it doesn't say that the phone will ring, only that
one will have power for voice service. When she called me back, I
don't know if it was on the house FIOS phone or her cell phone. Since
she knew I had called, her caller-ID on the FIOS phone must have
worked, but if that works shouldn't the bell which uses so little
current on a phone these days work too?
Maybe they just didn't connect the battery. "The Verizon supplied
battery is designed specifically for use with the Verizon FiOS
Network. Use of a battery other than a 12-Volt 7.2 Ah SLA Sealed Lead
Acid battery is not recommended"
Isn't a 12-volt 7.2Ah SLA battery a standard battery, not one designed
specifically for use with the Fios network?
>or
>
>http://tinyurl.com/bqlpjta
micky
Nov 3, 2012, 1:03:26 AM11/3/12
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:14:33 -0700 (PDT),
missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone over to fiber. Thus ensuring that in the event of a disaster nobody has phone service after a few hours. I asked about a [bigger backup battery for the FIOS phone] and was told that the charger they use isn't powerful enough for it.
How can the charger not be powerful enough. It has weeks or months
to charge the battery, however long it is between power failures.
I had a 2nd-hand UPS and the battery wore out, and I replaced it with
a bigger one and it worked fine. I just broke out the plastic ribs
that held the smaller one in place. Of course they didnt'
specifically say a bigger battery wouldn't work, but how would the guy
you talked to know? He only "knows" what they told him.
>They call this progress.
>
>By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so you can never go back to it.
I called about something and she started pushing me, over and over,
to get FIOS. I said I couldn't afford it but she said it was cheaper.
I'm still on an introductory rate for DSL and FIOS would be more, not
less.
missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone over to fiber. Thus ensuring that in the event of a disaster nobody has phone service after a few hours. I asked about a [bigger backup battery for the FIOS phone] and was told that the charger they use isn't powerful enough for it.
How can the charger not be powerful enough. It has weeks or months
to charge the battery, however long it is between power failures.
I had a 2nd-hand UPS and the battery wore out, and I replaced it with
a bigger one and it worked fine. I just broke out the plastic ribs
that held the smaller one in place. Of course they didnt'
specifically say a bigger battery wouldn't work, but how would the guy
you talked to know? He only "knows" what they told him.
>They call this progress.
>
>By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so you can never go back to it.
to get FIOS. I said I couldn't afford it but she said it was cheaper.
I'm still on an introductory rate for DSL and FIOS would be more, not
less.
harry
Nov 3, 2012, 4:52:27 AM11/3/12
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Illegally in the UK. I expect it is illegal in America too.
HeyBub
Nov 3, 2012, 6:17:08 AM11/3/12
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can on a string).
While you can install a UPS ahead of your modem, there are power
requirements for the signal up the line.
After a recent outage, a Comcast technician told me someone ripped open one
of their street-level boxes in the next block - not a small job - to steal
the two auto batteries it contained!
Stormin Mormon
Nov 3, 2012, 6:44:40 AM11/3/12
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You know, that sounds like a very bad decision.
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Frank
Nov 3, 2012, 6:59:28 AM11/3/12
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connects back to the land line box. There is a battery back up in the
fios line in the house. We had been having a lot of copper wire
problems and Verizon did this to solve the problem. We do not have
internet or TV with them.
I also have Comcast and got the triple play (internet, TV and phone) as
the cheapest package when I up graded to HD sets and DVR. The modem
where phone is connected has battery backup but the internet is not
backed up, only the Comcast phone.
Ed Pawlowski
Nov 3, 2012, 7:48:09 AM11/3/12
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On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:33:37 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
>Someone told me that FIOS doesn t work without AC.
>
I can see that in the summer, but it is cool enough that we don't run
the Air Conditioner now.
The AC in my car will kick on if it is sitting in the sun though.
wrote:
>Someone told me that FIOS doesn t work without AC.
>
the Air Conditioner now.
The AC in my car will kick on if it is sitting in the sun though.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 3, 2012, 8:04:50 AM11/3/12
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From what I read, some FIOS are AC/DC. Kinky!
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Peter
Nov 3, 2012, 8:29:18 AM11/3/12
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On 11/3/2012 12:14 AM, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
situation with VZ. I had FIOS TV/Internet installed last winter and did
so by having VZ promise in writing that they would allow me to retain my
POTS circuit with them. They agreed. I'm spending about $5/mo more
than if I had gone with their "Triple Play" option but have the security
of a phone circuit that has never failed in almost 26 years despite at
least a dozen power outages that exceed the FIOS backup battery
duration. They let you retain your POTS by creating a second account
for your address. Your FIOS account is then linked to your address
rather than your phone number.
George
Nov 3, 2012, 9:20:03 AM11/3/12
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On 11/2/2012 10:33 PM, micky wrote:
> Someone told me that FIOS doesn t work without AC.
>
It does for a short time because it has a small capacity battery.
> Someone told me that FIOS doesn t work without AC.
>
> Is that so? For intenet, phone, *and* TV? (I guess the TV and
> intenet don't matter, since they won't work either without AC, but the
> phone would..)
>
> I know most people use a cell phone when their home phone doesn't
> work, but I like having the home phone too.
>
population use only cell phones.
George
Nov 3, 2012, 9:29:06 AM11/3/12
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fortunately only had some trees down but extensive power failures (and
of course the cable is down because there is no power for the various
system pieces). So if you had a generator and thought you were going to
watch all of stuff you recorded on your comcast DVR you weren't allowed
to do it because unless the cable box can talk to the mother ship you
can't use it for anything except maybe to prop a door open.
missin...@brainchampagne.com
Nov 3, 2012, 9:56:36 AM11/3/12
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My parents have electricity but their cable/phone/internet is out and they can still watch their (Optimum) DVR.
I don't know why you can't hook up a giant battery to the fios system and maybe your own charger and disconnect their charger but their tech told me specifically that a bigger battery wouldn't work with their little charging system. I suppose you could keep a car or marine battery separately charged and just hook it up when you need to.
Also, I was told that when the power goes out it shuts off TV and internet to make the battery last longer for the more-important phone service (or maybe TV/internet use so much more power they'd drain the battery really fast).
And a lot of people forget that their cordless phones won't work without AC because the base unit needs it (although some systems allow for batteries in the base unit too).
I don't know why you can't hook up a giant battery to the fios system and maybe your own charger and disconnect their charger but their tech told me specifically that a bigger battery wouldn't work with their little charging system. I suppose you could keep a car or marine battery separately charged and just hook it up when you need to.
Also, I was told that when the power goes out it shuts off TV and internet to make the battery last longer for the more-important phone service (or maybe TV/internet use so much more power they'd drain the battery really fast).
And a lot of people forget that their cordless phones won't work without AC because the base unit needs it (although some systems allow for batteries in the base unit too).
Mark Lloyd
Nov 3, 2012, 12:16:05 PM11/3/12
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On 11/02/2012 09:58 PM, gregz wrote:
[snip]
> My comcast cable box modem, phone, runs on ac and battery backup for some
> length of time.
>
> Greg
>
My cable phone box has a battery too. It'll work as long as the cable
system does. During a recent storm, that was 4 hours after power
failure. It was another 24 hours before they put in a generator to make
it work.
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[snip]
> My comcast cable box modem, phone, runs on ac and battery backup for some
> length of time.
>
> Greg
>
system does. During a recent storm, that was 4 hours after power
failure. It was another 24 hours before they put in a generator to make
it work.
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Wes Groleau
Nov 3, 2012, 12:26:54 PM11/3/12
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On 11-03-2012 00:41, micky wrote:
> Wow. Thanks a lot, Retired. I don't think she knows about this, and
> I don't think Verizon put a good battery in the thing when they
> installed it, only a short while ago. She says during the power
They said mine would last 24 hours. It didn't last a few minutes.
> Wow. Thanks a lot, Retired. I don't think she knows about this, and
> I don't think Verizon put a good battery in the thing when they
> installed it, only a short while ago. She says during the power
I replaced the battery. It still didn't.
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Nov 3, 2012, 12:30:05 PM11/3/12
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of 22-gauge wire.
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missin...@brainchampagne.com
Nov 3, 2012, 12:35:44 PM11/3/12
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Dig? Wires are overhead. The tech who came to the house this week said he didn't see copper leading to the house.
I take that to mean that when they put in the fiber they removed the other wiring. Not for the wire but for business reasons.
I take that to mean that when they put in the fiber they removed the other wiring. Not for the wire but for business reasons.
Wes Groleau
Nov 3, 2012, 12:35:57 PM11/3/12
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On 11-03-2012 09:56, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
> I don't know why you can't hook up a giant battery to the fios system and maybe your own charger and disconnect their charger but their tech told me specifically that a bigger battery wouldn't work with their little charging system. I suppose you could keep a car or marine battery separately charged and just hook it up when you need to.
If you plug their stuff into a UPS instead of the wall, they can't tell
> I don't know why you can't hook up a giant battery to the fios system and maybe your own charger and disconnect their charger but their tech told me specifically that a bigger battery wouldn't work with their little charging system. I suppose you could keep a car or marine battery separately charged and just hook it up when you need to.
the difference.
> Also, I was told that when the power goes out it shuts off TV and internet to make the battery last longer for the more-important phone service (or maybe TV/internet use so much more power they'd drain the battery really fast).
similar power requirements. Bit-rate does make a tiny difference.
That's not to say they won't shut it off for other reasons--reasons
which might be technically valid or might just be an expression of
someone's ignorance.
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Wes Groleau
Nov 3, 2012, 1:12:40 PM11/3/12
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On 11-03-2012 12:35, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
> Dig? Wires are overhead. The tech who came to the house this week said he didn't see copper leading to the house.
That is true. In some places.
> Dig? Wires are overhead. The tech who came to the house this week said he didn't see copper leading to the house.
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DA
Nov 3, 2012, 1:44:01 PM11/3/12
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responding to http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/fios-doesn-t-work-without-ac-719527-.htm
DA wrote:
During the recent Sandy outage my FIOS network interface box held for about 20 hrs on its own battery. Not sure if it's about right or it's already feeling its age. Regardless, the Internet service was gone almost immediately, only TV and phone lasted. Actually, scratch that - I don't know if TV lasted much longer than 3 hours because then I ran out of juice to power the TV (and the 60W cable box). Phone lasted to the end but of course after the network interface died the phone service was gone, too.
During previous outages Internet was not down so quickly, so I'm not sure if it was some unlucky cable that a tree landed on or perhaps Verizon anticipated a long outage and shut down the power-hungry service remotely (my conjecture - I'm not sure they can do that).
So yeah, FIOS with power is awesome, FIOS without power is dead.
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DA wrote:
During previous outages Internet was not down so quickly, so I'm not sure if it was some unlucky cable that a tree landed on or perhaps Verizon anticipated a long outage and shut down the power-hungry service remotely (my conjecture - I'm not sure they can do that).
So yeah, FIOS with power is awesome, FIOS without power is dead.
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George
Nov 3, 2012, 2:26:25 PM11/3/12
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On 11/3/2012 9:56 AM, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
> My parents have electricity but their cable/phone/internet is out and they can still watch their (Optimum) DVR.
>
> I don't know why you can't hook up a giant battery to the fios system and maybe your own charger and disconnect their charger but their tech told me specifically that a bigger battery wouldn't work with their little charging system. I suppose you could keep a car or marine battery separately charged and just hook it up when you need to.
>
Because a charger needs to be properly sized. The really simple solution
> My parents have electricity but their cable/phone/internet is out and they can still watch their (Optimum) DVR.
>
> I don't know why you can't hook up a giant battery to the fios system and maybe your own charger and disconnect their charger but their tech told me specifically that a bigger battery wouldn't work with their little charging system. I suppose you could keep a car or marine battery separately charged and just hook it up when you need to.
>
is to plug the ONT into a UPS.
missin...@brainchampagne.com
Nov 3, 2012, 5:35:30 PM11/3/12
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A UPS seems rather inefficient- converting AC to DC then back to AC then DC?
My solution would be to get a couple of marine (or car) batteries and put them on a charger every couple of months (I have an X10 so I could program it to go on one night every two months if that's enough) and then simply jumper those batteries if the power goes out. It's not automatic but they'll hold a charge a lot longer than a UPS will.
Although I'd like to tell Verizon that they can have my century-tested copper wiring when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
My solution would be to get a couple of marine (or car) batteries and put them on a charger every couple of months (I have an X10 so I could program it to go on one night every two months if that's enough) and then simply jumper those batteries if the power goes out. It's not automatic but they'll hold a charge a lot longer than a UPS will.
Although I'd like to tell Verizon that they can have my century-tested copper wiring when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
micky
Nov 3, 2012, 6:43:45 PM11/3/12
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On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 09:35:44 -0700 (PDT),
missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>Dig? Wires are overhead. The tech who came to the house this week said he didn't see copper leading to the house.
>
>I take that to mean that when they put in the fiber they removed the other wiring. Not for the wire but for business reasons.
I have underground so I think in those terms, and I took it to mean
missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>Dig? Wires are overhead. The tech who came to the house this week said he didn't see copper leading to the house.
>
>I take that to mean that when they put in the fiber they removed the other wiring. Not for the wire but for business reasons.
that they cut off the wire it goes into the ground.
>On Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:30:08 PM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:
>> On 11-03-2012 00:14, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>> > I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone over to fiber.
pushed it on me a lot when I called about an internet outage.
micky
Nov 3, 2012, 6:48:36 PM11/3/12
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the cordless phone kept hanging up on my phone call. After 3 times I
went to the corded phone. Every time the power came back on, the 15
year old 14" color tv would make a noise, a very short growl, even
though it was off before the outage and stayed off after the power
came back.
micky
Nov 3, 2012, 6:52:40 PM11/3/12
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On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:44:01 +0000, DA
<caedfaa9ed1216d60...@example.com> wrote:
>responding to http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/fios-doesn-t-work-without-ac-719527-.htm
>DA wrote:
>
>micky wrote:
>
>
>> Someone told me that FIOS doesn t work without AC.
>
>> Is that so? For intenet, phone, *and* TV? (I guess the TV and
>> intenet don't matter, since they won't work either without AC, but the
>> phone would..)
>
>> I know most people use a cell phone when their home phone doesn't
>> work, but I like having the home phone too.
>
>During the recent Sandy outage my FIOS network interface box held for about 20 hrs on its own battery
Thanks a lot for the info.
<caedfaa9ed1216d60...@example.com> wrote:
>responding to http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/fios-doesn-t-work-without-ac-719527-.htm
>DA wrote:
>
>micky wrote:
>
>
>> Someone told me that FIOS doesn t work without AC.
>
>> Is that so? For intenet, phone, *and* TV? (I guess the TV and
>> intenet don't matter, since they won't work either without AC, but the
>> phone would..)
>
>> I know most people use a cell phone when their home phone doesn't
>> work, but I like having the home phone too.
>
>During the recent Sandy outage my FIOS network interface box held for about 20 hrs on its own battery
If people called YOU, would you hear the phone ring during that
time? And could you answer it, or did you have to see the number and
call them back?
>. Not sure if it's about right or it's already feeling its age. Regardless, the Internet service was gone almost immediately, only TV and phone lasted. Actually, scratch that - I don't know if TV lasted much longer than 3 hours because then I ran out of juice to power the TV (and the 60W cable box). Phone lasted to the end but of course after the network interface died the phone service was gone, too.
>
>During previous outages Internet was not down so quickly, so I'm not sure if it was some unlucky cable that a tree landed on or perhaps Verizon anticipated a long outage and shut down the power-hungry service remotely (my conjecture - I'm not sure they can do that).
>
>So yeah, FIOS with power is awesome, FIOS without power is dead.
bob haller
Nov 3, 2012, 7:05:59 PM11/3/12
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garbage and customer service sucked.....
I had a battery failure at just a few months old and they tried
charging me for a new battery:(
I was told you cant plug a UPS into the ONT but no one seemed to know
why..
probably because the FIOS backbone had a short life in a power
failure. the backup battery only powered the phone line.
power out? internet died, I never had FIOS TV but beieve it dies in a
power failure too.
now take a major outage like a hurricane, even if you had a whole
house power backup the fios backup is only good till the first link
fails...copper used to run forever..
my FIOS phone had trouble
after my fios got noisey for 3 months:( about every 12 calls a loud
buzz would be on my phone, eventually it made things unusable. verizon
reps blamed my interior wiring even though all techs at my home
replicated the issue with my house disconnected. I was under contract
for FIOS and they refused to let me out, against compan policy.
I called intermittently for 3 months:( every business day for 3 weeks,
and finally esclated it to the presidents office, just 2 calls to them
got a network tech to check things out and find it was a bad router in
their central office.... it effected everyone in my prefix.....
after this i was out of contract i had done my 2 years in verizon
phone hell, I got a cell phone with unlimited minutes:(
so I called and canceled my outgoing call package, IDIOT verizon
cancelled my entire phone line, first time they fixed it in a hour,
but some days later their system burped and callers to my business got
the this phone number is no longer in service, for 4 days. the verizon
reps didnt care and my call to their presidents office got them
yelling at me who gave you this number no one is supposed to give it
out.
after that i went with a different company
anyone is better than verizon!!!!!!
I feel sorry for anyone in a new FIOS area, unrelenting calls, junk
mail and visiting sales people at dinner time. I had the last 3 of
them escorted off my property by the police...
DA
Nov 3, 2012, 9:44:01 PM11/3/12
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responding to http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/fios-doesn-t-work-without-ac-719527-.htm
DA wrote:
micky wrote:
> If people called YOU, would you hear the phone ring during that
> time? And could you answer it, or did you have to see the number and
> call them back?
When the network interface was still hanging on, the phone was pretty much usable like nothing happened - calling in and out, ringing and CallerID working just fine. When it died, I think someone mentioned that my number returned a busy signal for some reason. But I can't really vouch for that - I didn't try myself and it would seem a no-answer would be more appropriate.
DA wrote:
micky wrote:
> If people called YOU, would you hear the phone ring during that
> time? And could you answer it, or did you have to see the number and
> call them back?
micky
Nov 3, 2012, 10:05:02 PM11/3/12
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voice mail up or there is none.
Mark
Nov 3, 2012, 11:58:10 PM11/3/12
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correct Fios has a battery at your home which is your responsibility
to maintain.
during a power failure, the battery powers your phone, for a few hours
only.
seems to me the lobbyists did their job convincing the govt that this
is ok, and we loose..
Mark
to maintain.
during a power failure, the battery powers your phone, for a few hours
only.
seems to me the lobbyists did their job convincing the govt that this
is ok, and we loose..
Mark
missin...@brainchampagne.com
Nov 4, 2012, 12:39:16 AM11/4/12
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I got a fast-busy when I called a fios number after the battery died. (the line doesn't have voicemail)
Baron
Nov 4, 2012, 11:21:39 AM11/4/12
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You are absolutely correct! I hung onto my copper line as long as I
could. A Verizon service technician told me that Verizon was not putting
any money into the maintenance of copper lines. The lines were getting
worse so outages were becoming more frequent. The number of technicians
that could repair them was shrinking as they retired or left the company
since new technicians were not being trained, at least as thoroughly, as
they needed to be to service copper lines. Finally, Verizon offered to
install FiOS for free. I found it interesting that they were charging at
the start of the changeover several years ago. I read recently that
Verizon's desire to change over more quickly has subsided since they are not
making as much money on FiOS as they planned.
I was told the battery lasts about eight hours of actual use time so
unless you make / receive calls lasting eight hours straight, the battery
should last for several days. I hate the idea of having to use a battery
for my phone in an emergency but I know that Radio Shack sells the
batteries. The batteries also last about five years at which time they
should be replaced as part of a PM program. I have been thinking about
getting a backup battery and regularly topping off the charge with a trickle
charger but I have procrastinated on this.
news:9b5e0f1e-a3bb-4ffd...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
could. A Verizon service technician told me that Verizon was not putting
any money into the maintenance of copper lines. The lines were getting
worse so outages were becoming more frequent. The number of technicians
that could repair them was shrinking as they retired or left the company
since new technicians were not being trained, at least as thoroughly, as
they needed to be to service copper lines. Finally, Verizon offered to
install FiOS for free. I found it interesting that they were charging at
the start of the changeover several years ago. I read recently that
Verizon's desire to change over more quickly has subsided since they are not
making as much money on FiOS as they planned.
I was told the battery lasts about eight hours of actual use time so
unless you make / receive calls lasting eight hours straight, the battery
should last for several days. I hate the idea of having to use a battery
for my phone in an emergency but I know that Radio Shack sells the
batteries. The batteries also last about five years at which time they
should be replaced as part of a PM program. I have been thinking about
getting a backup battery and regularly topping off the charge with a trickle
charger but I have procrastinated on this.
bob haller
Nov 4, 2012, 4:42:17 PM11/4/12
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On Nov 4, 11:21 am, "Baron" <pfisN...@comNGcast.net> wrote:
> "Mark" <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
You could have a 5 year backup battery, but if verizons FIOS backbone
only has 12 hour backup thats all you will get:(
The backup battery size was likely selected to fail just a bit earlier
than their entire system.
When I questioned verizon no one would EVER answer how long their
system was good for
> "Mark" <makol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
only has 12 hour backup thats all you will get:(
The backup battery size was likely selected to fail just a bit earlier
than their entire system.
When I questioned verizon no one would EVER answer how long their
system was good for
Ralph Mowery
Nov 4, 2012, 5:15:02 PM11/4/12
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"Baron" <pfis...@comNGcast.net> wrote in message
news:5096986e$0$7169$882e...@usenet-news.net...
> they needed to be to service copper lines. Finally, Verizon offered to
> install FiOS for free. I found it interesting that they were charging at
> the start of the changeover several years ago. I read recently that
> Verizon's desire to change over more quickly has subsided since they are
> not making as much money on FiOS as they planned.
>
I remember telephones were all the mechanical dial type. The touch tone
> install FiOS for free. I found it interesting that they were charging at
> the start of the changeover several years ago. I read recently that
> Verizon's desire to change over more quickly has subsided since they are
> not making as much money on FiOS as they planned.
>
phones came out and it was extra for them. Even when you could install your
own phone they wanted extra for a touch tone line. They finally did away
with that. Not sure if the mechanical ones even work now on the lines.
The Daring Dufas
Nov 4, 2012, 6:51:18 PM11/4/12
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it to pulse and dial a phone number (your cell) and see if the call goes
through after it gets through with all the clicking. I sell and service
telecom systems so I know how it works. ^_^
TDD
missin...@brainchampagne.com
Nov 4, 2012, 7:11:01 PM11/4/12
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No dial tone once the fios battery is dead. Tone or pulse, makes no difference.
Frank
Nov 4, 2012, 7:13:03 PM11/4/12
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in to where I have my DVR. I had thought that the recorded shows were
on a hard drive in the DVR and it always tells you how much space is
being used. We've been lucky the last few years and I can't recall more
than a half day's power outage since I bought the generator and cable or
copper line signals were never lost.
The Daring Dufas
Nov 4, 2012, 7:41:59 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 6:11 PM, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
> No dial tone once the fios battery is dead. Tone or pulse, makes no difference.
>
Er, I do believe I was responding to someone about the old POT's lines. O_o
> No dial tone once the fios battery is dead. Tone or pulse, makes no difference.
>
TDD
micky
Nov 4, 2012, 7:53:05 PM11/4/12
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:21:39 -0500, "Baron" <pfis...@comNGcast.net>
wrote:
>"Mark" <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:9b5e0f1e-a3bb-4ffd...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>> correct Fios has a battery at your home which is your responsibility
>> to maintain.
>>
>> during a power failure, the battery powers your phone, for a few hours
>> only.
>>
>> seems to me the lobbyists did their job convincing the govt that this
>> is ok, and we loose..
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
> You are absolutely correct! I hung onto my copper line as long as I
>could. A Verizon service technician told me that Verizon was not putting
>any money into the maintenance of copper lines. The lines were getting
>worse so outages were becoming more frequent.
Some lines maybe, but I don't think any around here are going out more
frequently.
> The number of technicians
>that could repair them was shrinking as they retired or left the company
>since new technicians were not being trained, at least as thoroughly, as
>they needed to be to service copper lines. Finally, Verizon offered to
>install FiOS for free. I found it interesting that they were charging at
>the start of the changeover several years ago. I read recently that
>Verizon's desire to change over more quickly has subsided since they are not
>making as much money on FiOS as they planned.
>
> I was told the battery lasts about eight hours of actual use time so
>unless you make / receive calls lasting eight hours straight, the battery
>should last for several days.
IInteresting.
http://www22.verizon.com/support/residential/phone/homephone/general+support/fios+phone/troubleshooting+fios+phone+service/95363.htm
that Retired posted says " your back-up battery will provide you with
power for voice service for up to 8 hours."
Seems ambiguous. I'd be happier if it said voice usage. I"m under
the impression that I have "phone service" even when I'm not using the
phone. Still it is hard to believe that a " 12-Volt 7.2 Ah SLA
Sealed Lead Acid battery" would run down in only 8 hours of non-use.
Plus that's with a fully capable battery. Sealed lead acid
batteries get old and hold less charge as time goes on.
> I hate the idea of having to use a battery
>for my phone in an emergency but I know that Radio Shack sells the
>batteries. The batteries also last about five years at which time they
>should be replaced as part of a PM program.
One more thing I have to keep track of, and then do.
> I have been thinking about
>getting a backup battery and regularly topping off the charge with a trickle
>charger but I have procrastinated on this.
More things if I do all that.
>
wrote:
>"Mark" <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:9b5e0f1e-a3bb-4ffd...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>> correct Fios has a battery at your home which is your responsibility
>> to maintain.
>>
>> during a power failure, the battery powers your phone, for a few hours
>> only.
>>
>> seems to me the lobbyists did their job convincing the govt that this
>> is ok, and we loose..
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
> You are absolutely correct! I hung onto my copper line as long as I
>could. A Verizon service technician told me that Verizon was not putting
>any money into the maintenance of copper lines. The lines were getting
>worse so outages were becoming more frequent.
frequently.
> The number of technicians
>that could repair them was shrinking as they retired or left the company
>since new technicians were not being trained, at least as thoroughly, as
>they needed to be to service copper lines. Finally, Verizon offered to
>install FiOS for free. I found it interesting that they were charging at
>the start of the changeover several years ago. I read recently that
>Verizon's desire to change over more quickly has subsided since they are not
>making as much money on FiOS as they planned.
>
> I was told the battery lasts about eight hours of actual use time so
>unless you make / receive calls lasting eight hours straight, the battery
>should last for several days.
http://www22.verizon.com/support/residential/phone/homephone/general+support/fios+phone/troubleshooting+fios+phone+service/95363.htm
that Retired posted says " your back-up battery will provide you with
power for voice service for up to 8 hours."
Seems ambiguous. I'd be happier if it said voice usage. I"m under
the impression that I have "phone service" even when I'm not using the
phone. Still it is hard to believe that a " 12-Volt 7.2 Ah SLA
Sealed Lead Acid battery" would run down in only 8 hours of non-use.
Plus that's with a fully capable battery. Sealed lead acid
batteries get old and hold less charge as time goes on.
> I hate the idea of having to use a battery
>for my phone in an emergency but I know that Radio Shack sells the
>batteries. The batteries also last about five years at which time they
>should be replaced as part of a PM program.
> I have been thinking about
>getting a backup battery and regularly topping off the charge with a trickle
>charger but I have procrastinated on this.
>
micky
Nov 4, 2012, 8:03:14 PM11/4/12
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standard black phone, as well as other phones. I think once they've
designed a pcb or chip that handled both pulse and touch-tone, it
probably costs no more than a penny extra to keep the pulse circuit.
Of course some day they'll want a new circuit, like maybe with fios,
and then they may not write a new pulse circuit.
Tim Schwartz
Nov 5, 2012, 4:00:56 PM11/5/12
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On 11/3/2012 1:03 AM, micky wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:14:33 -0700 (PDT),
> missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>
>> I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone over to fiber. Thus ensuring that in the event of a disaster nobody has phone service after a few hours. I asked about a [bigger backup battery for the FIOS phone] and was told that the charger they use isn't powerful enough for it.
>
> How can the charger not be powerful enough. It has weeks or months
> to charge the battery, however long it is between power failures.
>
> I had a 2nd-hand UPS and the battery wore out, and I replaced it with
> a bigger one and it worked fine. I just broke out the plastic ribs
> that held the smaller one in place. Of course they didnt'
> specifically say a bigger battery wouldn't work, but how would the guy
> you talked to know? He only "knows" what they told him.
> to get FIOS. I said I couldn't afford it but she said it was cheaper.
> I'm still on an introductory rate for DSL and FIOS would be more, not
> less.
>
Well,
A FIOS backup battery, at least the one in my panel, is a 12 volt gel
cell rated at 7.2 amp hours, which provides 'UP TO' 8 hours of backup.
Remember, 2 hours is a subset of UP TO 8 hours. During this event, I
got about 9 hours out of the battery.
Anyway, I'm sure the charge could handle a bit bigger battery, say 10
AH, but to hook up a car battery to it would be asking a bit much of the
charger. On the other hand, when power is out those with some knowledge
can add in more battery to run the panel while power is out. I do
this, and I disconnect my external battery when I'm not at home, since
there is no reason to run the panel when it will go to the answering
system anyway.
Lastly, keep in mind that the backup is ONLY for phone, Video and
internet goes away when the AC power is lost, at least on my panel.
Regards,
Tim
Bristol Electronics
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:14:33 -0700 (PDT),
> missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>
>> I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone over to fiber. Thus ensuring that in the event of a disaster nobody has phone service after a few hours. I asked about a [bigger backup battery for the FIOS phone] and was told that the charger they use isn't powerful enough for it.
>
> How can the charger not be powerful enough. It has weeks or months
> to charge the battery, however long it is between power failures.
>
> I had a 2nd-hand UPS and the battery wore out, and I replaced it with
> a bigger one and it worked fine. I just broke out the plastic ribs
> that held the smaller one in place. Of course they didnt'
> specifically say a bigger battery wouldn't work, but how would the guy
> you talked to know? He only "knows" what they told him.
>
>> They call this progress.
>>
>> By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so you can never go back to it.
>
> I called about something and she started pushing me, over and over,
>> They call this progress.
>>
>> By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so you can never go back to it.
>
> to get FIOS. I said I couldn't afford it but she said it was cheaper.
> I'm still on an introductory rate for DSL and FIOS would be more, not
> less.
>
Well,
A FIOS backup battery, at least the one in my panel, is a 12 volt gel
cell rated at 7.2 amp hours, which provides 'UP TO' 8 hours of backup.
Remember, 2 hours is a subset of UP TO 8 hours. During this event, I
got about 9 hours out of the battery.
Anyway, I'm sure the charge could handle a bit bigger battery, say 10
AH, but to hook up a car battery to it would be asking a bit much of the
charger. On the other hand, when power is out those with some knowledge
can add in more battery to run the panel while power is out. I do
this, and I disconnect my external battery when I'm not at home, since
there is no reason to run the panel when it will go to the answering
system anyway.
Lastly, keep in mind that the backup is ONLY for phone, Video and
internet goes away when the AC power is lost, at least on my panel.
Regards,
Tim
Bristol Electronics
tm
Nov 5, 2012, 5:11:53 PM11/5/12
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"Tim Schwartz" <t...@bristolnj.com> wrote in message
news:k799e9$5n5$1...@dont-email.me...
micky
Nov 6, 2012, 11:58:25 AM11/6/12
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:00:56 -0500, Tim Schwartz <t...@bristolnj.com>
wrote:
Even though you weren't on the phone for most of that time? Maybe
you talked for an hour and it still went dead after 9?
yet, but I plan to get one. With DSL that I have now, that works
even when the power is out, right? (Assuming there is power at the
telephone company.)
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>Bristol Electronics
wrote:
>Well,
>
> A FIOS backup battery, at least the one in my panel, is a 12 volt gel
>cell rated at 7.2 amp hours, which provides 'UP TO' 8 hours of backup.
>Remember, 2 hours is a subset of UP TO 8 hours. During this event, I
>got about 9 hours out of the battery.
Posted and mailed, if you don't mind. .
>
> A FIOS backup battery, at least the one in my panel, is a 12 volt gel
>cell rated at 7.2 amp hours, which provides 'UP TO' 8 hours of backup.
>Remember, 2 hours is a subset of UP TO 8 hours. During this event, I
>got about 9 hours out of the battery.
Even though you weren't on the phone for most of that time? Maybe
you talked for an hour and it still went dead after 9?
>
> Anyway, I'm sure the charge could handle a bit bigger battery, say 10
>AH, but to hook up a car battery to it would be asking a bit much of the
>charger. On the other hand, when power is out those with some knowledge
>can add in more battery to run the panel while power is out. I do
>this, and I disconnect my external battery when I'm not at home, since
>there is no reason to run the panel when it will go to the answering
>system anyway.
>
> Lastly, keep in mind that the backup is ONLY for phone, Video and
>internet goes away when the AC power is lost, at least on my panel.
At first I didn't care about internet, because I don't have a laptop
> Anyway, I'm sure the charge could handle a bit bigger battery, say 10
>AH, but to hook up a car battery to it would be asking a bit much of the
>charger. On the other hand, when power is out those with some knowledge
>can add in more battery to run the panel while power is out. I do
>this, and I disconnect my external battery when I'm not at home, since
>there is no reason to run the panel when it will go to the answering
>system anyway.
>
> Lastly, keep in mind that the backup is ONLY for phone, Video and
>internet goes away when the AC power is lost, at least on my panel.
yet, but I plan to get one. With DSL that I have now, that works
even when the power is out, right? (Assuming there is power at the
telephone company.)
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>Bristol Electronics
micky
Nov 6, 2012, 12:01:07 PM11/6/12
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:11:53 -0500, "tm" <No_on...@white-house.gov>
wrote:
Wouldn't that depend on where all the power outages are? Are there
amplifers or whatever between the central station and one's home, that
require power, and might not have any?
Are there back-up generators at Bell and Verizon telephone exchanges?
Wired phones run on batteries at the central station with generators
to keep the batteries charged, but what about FIOS phone and Fios
Internet?
wrote:
amplifers or whatever between the central station and one's home, that
require power, and might not have any?
Are there back-up generators at Bell and Verizon telephone exchanges?
Wired phones run on batteries at the central station with generators
to keep the batteries charged, but what about FIOS phone and Fios
Internet?
George
Nov 6, 2012, 12:36:30 PM11/6/12
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On 11/3/2012 12:14 AM, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
> I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone over to fiber. Thus ensuring that in the event of a disaster nobody has phone service after a few hours. I asked about a bigger battery and was told that the charger they use isn't powerful enough for it.
copper plant and you have a new fiber system that can perform all of the
functionality of the copper plant plus add additional capabilities.
Would you continue to maintain the copper plant and also the fiber plant?
> I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone over to fiber. Thus ensuring that in the event of a disaster nobody has phone service after a few hours. I asked about a bigger battery and was told that the charger they use isn't powerful enough for it.
>
> They call this progress.
>
> By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so you can never go back to it.
>
If you were the phone company what would you do? You have an aging
> They call this progress.
>
> By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so you can never go back to it.
>
copper plant and you have a new fiber system that can perform all of the
functionality of the copper plant plus add additional capabilities.
Would you continue to maintain the copper plant and also the fiber plant?
George
Nov 6, 2012, 12:39:13 PM11/6/12
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wired phones and phone companies see the handwriting on the wall. Many
such as Verizon sold off a bunch of those systems (Verizon sold off 13
states) to companies that will run what remains on a shoestring budget.
Stuff that they do retain will never again see the TLC of old.
missin...@brainchampagne.com
Nov 6, 2012, 12:56:48 PM11/6/12
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DSL requires power to the modem.
And yes, if I were the phone company and saw that some customers wanted copper and some houses had copper and others had fiber, is it that much more complicated to service one OR the other?
Especially given what we've just seen, how communications falls apart in less than a day in an emergency situation.
And when they sold my elderly parents on fios they told my mother her computer would be faster- she thought that meant it would boot faster, not that her email would be 0.000001 second quicker. They never mentioned that if her power goes out her phone service is gone in less than half a day. They don't even give the option to have a huge battery and bigger charger, not even at an extra upfront fee (what'd that be, a hundred bucks?)
And yes, if I were the phone company and saw that some customers wanted copper and some houses had copper and others had fiber, is it that much more complicated to service one OR the other?
Especially given what we've just seen, how communications falls apart in less than a day in an emergency situation.
And when they sold my elderly parents on fios they told my mother her computer would be faster- she thought that meant it would boot faster, not that her email would be 0.000001 second quicker. They never mentioned that if her power goes out her phone service is gone in less than half a day. They don't even give the option to have a huge battery and bigger charger, not even at an extra upfront fee (what'd that be, a hundred bucks?)
denni...@gmail.com
Nov 6, 2012, 1:12:56 PM11/6/12
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On Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:14:34 AM UTC-4, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
> They call this progress.
Phone companies are not charities. They are losing money on copper land line service, so they either go out of business and leave you with NO phone service at all, or they switch to something that they can market, namely FIOS. Then they can upsell you for broadband Internet service.
Copper land line service is no good if the generators powering the switching equipment run out of fuel, or are flooded, or get knocked over by an earthquake too...
> They call this progress.
Phone companies are not charities. They are losing money on copper land line service, so they either go out of business and leave you with NO phone service at all, or they switch to something that they can market, namely FIOS. Then they can upsell you for broadband Internet service.
Copper land line service is no good if the generators powering the switching equipment run out of fuel, or are flooded, or get knocked over by an earthquake too...
denni...@gmail.com
Nov 6, 2012, 1:15:54 PM11/6/12
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On Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:35:57 PM UTC-4, Wes Groleau wrote:
> Phone, internet, TV--all digital signals through the same modem.
> similar power requirements. Bit-rate does make a tiny difference.
Both TV and Internet are continuous or near-continuous streams of data. Phone is intermittent. No data flowing == lower power requirements.
> Phone, internet, TV--all digital signals through the same modem.
> similar power requirements. Bit-rate does make a tiny difference.
Both TV and Internet are continuous or near-continuous streams of data. Phone is intermittent. No data flowing == lower power requirements.
denni...@gmail.com
Nov 6, 2012, 1:18:48 PM11/6/12
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On Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:35:30 PM UTC-4, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
> Although I'd like to tell Verizon that they can have my century-tested copper wiring when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Eventually they will take it from you because it will simply be too costly to maintain the entire infrastructure for your one line.
> Although I'd like to tell Verizon that they can have my century-tested copper wiring when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Besides, at best your copper runs to the nearest switching site. From there it's all digital and fiber-optics.
micky
Nov 6, 2012, 1:22:38 PM11/6/12
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:56:48 -0800 (PST),
missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>DSL requires power to the modem.
Oh, yeah. I forgot. Senior moment. I doubt I'll ever buy a
missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>DSL requires power to the modem.
generator but that still leaves the telephone.
>
>And yes, if I were the phone company and saw that some customers wanted copper and some houses had copper and others had fiber, is it that much more complicated to service one OR the other?
I wouldnt' think so.
>And yes, if I were the phone company and saw that some customers wanted copper and some houses had copper and others had fiber, is it that much more complicated to service one OR the other?
>Especially given what we've just seen, how communications falls apart in less than a day in an emergency situation.
>
>And when they sold my elderly parents on fios they told my mother her computer would be faster- she thought that meant it would boot faster, not that her email would be 0.000001 second quicker.
makes no difference. I have a problem with my in-house phone wiring
that comes and goes, and for the last 3 years or so, I have a wire
from my upstairs bedroom/office down the front of the house to the
NID.
I was getting DSL so slow I coudln't watch even Youtube in real time,
but I found out the (posssibly cheaper than average) indoor round
white 4-conductor phone line I was using was too thin, so I switched
to thicker than average round white 4-conductor (R,G,B,Y) wire and I
tripled my download speed. Now even for the web it's fast enough and
I don't need no stinkin' fios.
>They never mentioned that if her power goes out her phone service is gone in less than half a day. They don't even give the option to have a huge battery and bigger charger, not even at an extra upfront fee (what'd that be, a hundred bucks?)
antenna, but it works worse for me.
micky
Nov 6, 2012, 1:26:22 PM11/6/12
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:39:13 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
>
>> Wired phones run on batteries at the central station with generators
>> to keep the batteries charged, but what about FIOS phone and Fios
>> Internet?
>>
>You are talking about days of old. Less than 40% of the population has
>wired phones and phone companies see the handwriting on the wall. Many
>such as Verizon sold off a bunch of those systems (Verizon sold off 13
>states) to companies that will run what remains on a shoestring budget.
>Stuff that they do retain will never again see the TLC of old.
But what about FIOS. If there is a power failure at the exchange, do
they all have generators? Are there amps or something on phone poles
between the telephone exchange and my house that depend on a source of
power that's neither the exchange or my house?
wrote:
>
>> Wired phones run on batteries at the central station with generators
>> to keep the batteries charged, but what about FIOS phone and Fios
>> Internet?
>>
>You are talking about days of old. Less than 40% of the population has
>wired phones and phone companies see the handwriting on the wall. Many
>such as Verizon sold off a bunch of those systems (Verizon sold off 13
>states) to companies that will run what remains on a shoestring budget.
>Stuff that they do retain will never again see the TLC of old.
they all have generators? Are there amps or something on phone poles
between the telephone exchange and my house that depend on a source of
power that's neither the exchange or my house?
micky
Nov 6, 2012, 1:27:47 PM11/6/12
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:36:30 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
But they are supposed to have agreed with the Public Utility
Commission in some states not to remove the copper, for the sake of a
later owner, even if the current one promises to always want fios.
wrote:
Commission in some states not to remove the copper, for the sake of a
later owner, even if the current one promises to always want fios.
micky
Nov 6, 2012, 1:28:29 PM11/6/12
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:12:56 -0800 (PST), denni...@gmail.com wrote:
>On Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:14:34 AM UTC-4, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>> They call this progress.
>
>Phone companies are not charities. They are losing money on copper land line service, so they either go out of business
I don't think there is any chance they'll go out of business. If
>On Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:14:34 AM UTC-4, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>> They call this progress.
>
>Phone companies are not charities. They are losing money on copper land line service, so they either go out of business
FIOS is cheaper for them, and I don't know why it would be, they can
save money by putting in fios for those who want it (and leaving tghe
rest of us alone.)
>and leave you with NO phone service at all, or they switch to something that they can market, namely FIOS. Then they can upsell you for broadband Internet service.
>
>Copper land line service is no good if the generators powering the switching equipment run out of fuel, or are flooded, or get knocked over by an earthquake too...
Dan Espen
Nov 6, 2012, 2:09:20 PM11/6/12
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They have power, then backup generators, then big racks of backup
batteries.
The old copper system powered the phone from the switching office.
Your lights could be out but you could still use the phone.
With FIOS you have a few hours of battery power then you're dead.
In this last storm, my battery backup failed and had to be replaced
before I could use FIOS at all.
--
Dan Espen
George
Nov 6, 2012, 4:03:58 PM11/6/12
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On 11/6/2012 1:28 PM, micky wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:12:56 -0800 (PST), denni...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:14:34 AM UTC-4, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>>> They call this progress.
>>
>> Phone companies are not charities. They are losing money on copper land line service, so they either go out of business
>
> I don't think there is any chance they'll go out of business. If
> FIOS is cheaper for them, and I don't know why it would be, they can
> save money by putting in fios for those who want it (and leaving tghe
> rest of us alone.)
They have already lost 60% of their subscribers. Do you think it makes
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:12:56 -0800 (PST), denni...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:14:34 AM UTC-4, missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>>> They call this progress.
>>
>> Phone companies are not charities. They are losing money on copper land line service, so they either go out of business
>
> I don't think there is any chance they'll go out of business. If
> FIOS is cheaper for them, and I don't know why it would be, they can
> save money by putting in fios for those who want it (and leaving tghe
> rest of us alone.)
sense to maintain an entire end to end copper plant for say a handful of
users?
George
Nov 6, 2012, 4:07:44 PM11/6/12
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On 11/6/2012 1:22 PM, micky wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:56:48 -0800 (PST),
> missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>
>> DSL requires power to the modem.
>
> Oh, yeah. I forgot. Senior moment. I doubt I'll ever buy a
> generator but that still leaves the telephone.
>>
>> And yes, if I were the phone company and saw that some customers wanted copper and some houses had copper and others had fiber, is it that much more complicated to service one OR the other?
>
> I wouldnt' think so.
>
>> Especially given what we've just seen, how communications falls apart in less than a day in an emergency situation.
>>
>> And when they sold my elderly parents on fios they told my mother her computer would be faster- she thought that meant it would boot faster, not that her email would be 0.000001 second quicker.
>
> Exactly. For email and newsgroups, and mostly-text webpages it
> makes no difference. I have a problem with my in-house phone wiring
> that comes and goes, and for the last 3 years or so, I have a wire
> from my upstairs bedroom/office down the front of the house to the
> NID.
>
> I was getting DSL so slow I coudln't watch even Youtube in real time,
> but I found out the (posssibly cheaper than average) indoor round
> white 4-conductor phone line I was using was too thin, so I switched
> to thicker than average round white 4-conductor (R,G,B,Y) wire and I
> tripled my download speed. Now even for the web it's fast enough and
> I don't need no stinkin' fios.
You must have been in heybubs garage to get that. That cable was
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:56:48 -0800 (PST),
> missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>
>> DSL requires power to the modem.
>
> Oh, yeah. I forgot. Senior moment. I doubt I'll ever buy a
> generator but that still leaves the telephone.
>>
>> And yes, if I were the phone company and saw that some customers wanted copper and some houses had copper and others had fiber, is it that much more complicated to service one OR the other?
>
> I wouldnt' think so.
>
>> Especially given what we've just seen, how communications falls apart in less than a day in an emergency situation.
>>
>> And when they sold my elderly parents on fios they told my mother her computer would be faster- she thought that meant it would boot faster, not that her email would be 0.000001 second quicker.
>
> Exactly. For email and newsgroups, and mostly-text webpages it
> makes no difference. I have a problem with my in-house phone wiring
> that comes and goes, and for the last 3 years or so, I have a wire
> from my upstairs bedroom/office down the front of the house to the
> NID.
>
> I was getting DSL so slow I coudln't watch even Youtube in real time,
> but I found out the (posssibly cheaper than average) indoor round
> white 4-conductor phone line I was using was too thin, so I switched
> to thicker than average round white 4-conductor (R,G,B,Y) wire and I
> tripled my download speed. Now even for the web it's fast enough and
> I don't need no stinkin' fios.
commonly called "quad station wire" and hasn't been commonly used for
some time. The much preferred version is twisted pair especially when
DSL is involved.
>
>
>> They never mentioned that if her power goes out her phone service is gone in less than half a day. They don't even give the option to have a huge battery and bigger charger, not even at an extra upfront fee (what'd that be, a hundred bucks?)
>
> Sort of like digital tv they said would work better, even with an
> antenna, but it works worse for me.
>
George
Nov 6, 2012, 4:09:50 PM11/6/12
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On 11/6/2012 2:09 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
> micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:39:13 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Wired phones run on batteries at the central station with generators
>>>> to keep the batteries charged, but what about FIOS phone and Fios
>>>> Internet?
>>>>
>>> You are talking about days of old. Less than 40% of the population has
>>> wired phones and phone companies see the handwriting on the wall. Many
>>> such as Verizon sold off a bunch of those systems (Verizon sold off 13
>>> states) to companies that will run what remains on a shoestring budget.
>>> Stuff that they do retain will never again see the TLC of old.
>>
>> But what about FIOS. If there is a power failure at the exchange, do
>> they all have generators? Are there amps or something on phone poles
>> between the telephone exchange and my house that depend on a source of
>> power that's neither the exchange or my house?
>
> Took a tour of a switching office once.
> They have power, then backup generators, then big racks of backup
> batteries.
Thats how things used to be when everyone had a wired phone. Something
> micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:39:13 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Wired phones run on batteries at the central station with generators
>>>> to keep the batteries charged, but what about FIOS phone and Fios
>>>> Internet?
>>>>
>>> You are talking about days of old. Less than 40% of the population has
>>> wired phones and phone companies see the handwriting on the wall. Many
>>> such as Verizon sold off a bunch of those systems (Verizon sold off 13
>>> states) to companies that will run what remains on a shoestring budget.
>>> Stuff that they do retain will never again see the TLC of old.
>>
>> But what about FIOS. If there is a power failure at the exchange, do
>> they all have generators? Are there amps or something on phone poles
>> between the telephone exchange and my house that depend on a source of
>> power that's neither the exchange or my house?
>
> Took a tour of a switching office once.
> They have power, then backup generators, then big racks of backup
> batteries.
like 60% of the population doesn't anymore. Providers are running away
from and spending as little as possible on the sort of infrastructure
you described.
David Lesher
Nov 6, 2012, 6:54:42 PM11/6/12
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>>I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that
>>their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone
>>over to fiber.
regulated, the fiber is not. The Suits have been making noises
about "maximizing our investment" which means "coerce people
to giving up copper..." For example, I cannot upgrade my DSL
because FIO$ is available here.
>How can the charger not be powerful enough. It has weeks or
>months to charge the battery, however long it is between power
>failures.
75AH deep cycle battery....?
>>By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper
>>wire so you can never go back to it.
>I called about something and she started pushing me, over and
>over, to get FIOS. I said I couldn't afford it but she said it
>was cheaper.
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David Lesher
Nov 6, 2012, 7:01:08 PM11/6/12
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"tm" <No_on...@white-house.gov> writes:
>What about the rest of their network? Will it hold up for more than 8 hours?
There is nothing active between the FIOS CO and your ONT.
>What about the rest of their network? Will it hold up for more than 8 hours?
If your ONT has power, there's no reason for it to go down.
David Lesher
Nov 6, 2012, 7:02:15 PM11/6/12
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micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>But what about FIOS. If there is a power failure at the exchange, do
>they all have generators?
They better; a CO is required to have backup power and does.
>But what about FIOS. If there is a power failure at the exchange, do
>they all have generators?
missin...@brainchampagne.com
Nov 6, 2012, 7:24:35 PM11/6/12
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Verizon isn't a charity but it IS a public utility.
For what it's worth they gave us fios service (albeit with no long distance, and 10 cent local calls) for the price of what copper basic service should be, around $30/month (most of which is taxes or pseudo-taxes).
For what it's worth they gave us fios service (albeit with no long distance, and 10 cent local calls) for the price of what copper basic service should be, around $30/month (most of which is taxes or pseudo-taxes).
Wes Groleau
Nov 6, 2012, 8:39:57 PM11/6/12
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On 11-06-2012 16:07, George wrote:
> I wouldn't go back to analog low def TV if they paid me.
I would. I can see the local stations' antennas from my living room, so
> I wouldn't go back to analog low def TV if they paid me.
I figured I didn't need a fancy antenna. I didn't--until digital.
Before, in severe whether, we got just a trace of fuzz. After, fog or
drizzle kills it completely.
--
Wes Groleau
“Would the prodigal have gone home if
the elder brother was running the farm?”
— James Jordan
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 7, 2012, 12:01:58 AM11/7/12
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David Lesher wrote:
>
> >>I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that
> >>their plan is to start removing copper and transition everyone
> >>over to fiber.
>
> That's their wish, but they can not force. The copper is
> regulated, the fiber is not. The Suits have been making noises
> about "maximizing our investment" which means "coerce people
> to giving up copper..." For example, I cannot upgrade my DSL
> because FIO$ is available here.
>
> >How can the charger not be powerful enough. It has weeks or
> >months to charge the battery, however long it is between power
> >failures.
>
> Bingo, why do you care if it takes a week to fully recharge a
> 75AH deep cycle battery....?
down, if the charger design is any good.
> >>By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper
> >>wire so you can never go back to it.
>
> Unless you can make good threats...their legal basis is iffy.
'copper' circuits are only metallic for the last mile or less? IOW,
it's already mostly a fiber backbone. That last mile has the highest
maintenance costs, and will be replaced no matter what you want. The
line to my house has had an intermittent hum problem that they can't
find. When it shows up I call on a VOIP number to report it. The line
clears up about three to five minutes before they arrive, or it starts
working right after they verify that there is a problem.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 7, 2012, 12:04:44 AM11/7/12
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David Lesher wrote:
>
> micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>
> >But what about FIOS. If there is a power failure at the exchange, do
> >they all have generators?
>
> They better; a CO is required to have backup power and does.
switching centers that are being replaced with packet switching
hardware. Most are the size of a one car garage, to have room to store
spare boards & equipment.
Peter
Nov 7, 2012, 8:01:26 AM11/7/12
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into the majority of the country where it remains unavailable. The
reason VZ stopped building out FIOS service is because it has not been
profitable for them. However, as far as overall profits are concerned,
have you checked the annual reports of the major TELCOs? Almost all of
the them are making money hand over fist.
I'm getting into politics now but I consider phone service to be a
national security asset, which should not be an "unregulated" private
enterprise. I believe it should be heavily regulated, if not downright
managed by the government, just as I believe should be the post office.
the railroads, the airlines, and the energy utilities. It seems to me
that when those assets were heavily regulated or even government run,
back in the 1940s - 1980s, it didn't stop this nation from growing the
largest and financially strongest middle class in world history. Is it
only a coincidence that the market instability and closing of
opportunities for upward mobility in our society has coincided with
progressive deregulation of those same assets?
Mark Lloyd
Nov 7, 2012, 1:40:04 PM11/7/12
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batteries (they said some of the batteries were from old submarines).
The batteries were supposed to be able to power everything for at least
24 hours, with generators for longer outages.
That was about 31 years ago.
BTW, they had more operators come to work during snowstorms and after
football games.
--
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http://notstupid.us
"Holy Scripture: A book sent down from heaven.... Holy Scriptures
contain all that a Christian should know and believe, provided he adds
to it a million or so commentaries. [Voltaire]
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 7, 2012, 5:34:17 PM11/7/12
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
>
> On 11/06/2012 11:04 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > David Lesher wrote:
> >>
> >> micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> But what about FIOS. If there is a power failure at the exchange, do
> >>> they all have generators?
> >>
> >> They better; a CO is required to have backup power and does.
> >
> >
> > I haven't seen a real Central Office in decades. Just small
> > switching centers that are being replaced with packet switching
> > hardware. Most are the size of a one car garage, to have room to store
> > spare boards & equipment.
> >
>
> I remember seeing the Central Office in Ft. Worth, with a lot of big
> batteries (they said some of the batteries were from old submarines).
> The batteries were supposed to be able to power everything for at least
> 24 hours, with generators for longer outages.
>
> That was about 31 years ago.
>
> BTW, they had more operators come to work during snowstorms and after
> football games.
Central office if they were that out of date. My home town had it's
first generation ESS Central Office before that. It replaced some
1920's design junk. The batteries were designed for the application. I
doubt submarine batteries would last long in that application since C.O.
batteries are on float charge 99.9% of the time.
Wes Groleau
Nov 7, 2012, 8:30:34 PM11/7/12
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On 11-07-2012 17:34, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Operators, 3i years ago? they must have still been a Strowager type
> Central office if they were that out of date. My home town had it's
> first generation ESS Central Office before that. It replaced some
I operated a pull-out-out-the-cord-and-plug-it-in switchboard for a few
> Operators, 3i years ago? they must have still been a Strowager type
> Central office if they were that out of date. My home town had it's
> first generation ESS Central Office before that. It replaced some
days in 1973.
On Navy ships in the late 1970s, we still had click-click-click rotating
stepper switches.
--
Wes Groleau
I won't burn your Koran because I don't want you to burn my Bible;
but if you burn my Bible, no one's going to die.
— Robert Rhee
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 7, 2012, 8:37:19 PM11/7/12
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Wes Groleau wrote:
>
> On 11-07-2012 17:34, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > Central office if they were that out of date. My home town had it's
> > first generation ESS Central Office before that. It replaced some
>
> I operated a pull-out-out-the-cord-and-plug-it-in switchboard for a few
> days in 1973.
Not many were left by then.
> > first generation ESS Central Office before that. It replaced some
>
> I operated a pull-out-out-the-cord-and-plug-it-in switchboard for a few
> days in 1973.
> On Navy ships in the late 1970s, we still had click-click-click rotating
> stepper switches.
<http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1YMkG7qiygjslORZGAFHqGQzJE-4-IEcMxudCY1Nftoo6TKolEKcXApy8>
Wes Groleau
Nov 7, 2012, 9:40:08 PM11/7/12
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On 11-07-2012 20:37, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
but much smaller. Just served one building.
>> On Navy ships in the late 1970s, we still had click-click-click rotating
>> stepper switches.
>
> Strowger stepper.
>
> <http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1YMkG7qiygjslORZGAFHqGQzJE-4-IEcMxudCY1Nftoo6TKolEKcXApy8>
Well, same principle, I think, though it doesn't look the same. I
wasn't trained on it, but by watching it work, I think I figured it out.
I think we had two-digit numbers. Pick up a phone and a one-axis rotor
would step to the correct line of ten. Another would then select the
first rotor out of ten. Then one or two would connect that phone to
one of ten or a hundred lines to the other side, and the process in
reverse would select the right destination phone.
--
Wes Groleau
Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which
the only specification is that it should run noiselessly.
— unknown
> Wes Groleau wrote:
>> I operated a pull-out-out-the-cord-and-plug-it-in switchboard for a few
>> days in 1973.
>
> Not many were left by then.
Like <http://www.telephonetribute.com/images/fig3-2.gif>
>> I operated a pull-out-out-the-cord-and-plug-it-in switchboard for a few
>> days in 1973.
>
> Not many were left by then.
but much smaller. Just served one building.
>> On Navy ships in the late 1970s, we still had click-click-click rotating
>> stepper switches.
>
> Strowger stepper.
>
> <http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1YMkG7qiygjslORZGAFHqGQzJE-4-IEcMxudCY1Nftoo6TKolEKcXApy8>
wasn't trained on it, but by watching it work, I think I figured it out.
I think we had two-digit numbers. Pick up a phone and a one-axis rotor
would step to the correct line of ten. Another would then select the
first rotor out of ten. Then one or two would connect that phone to
one of ten or a hundred lines to the other side, and the process in
reverse would select the right destination phone.
--
Wes Groleau
Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which
the only specification is that it should run noiselessly.
— unknown
.-.
Nov 8, 2012, 10:17:55 AM11/8/12
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"Mark" <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9b5e0f1e-a3bb-4ffd...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> correct Fios has a battery at your home which is your responsibility
> to maintain.
>
> during a power failure, the battery powers your phone, for a few hours
> only.
>
> seems to me the lobbyists did their job convincing the govt that this
> is ok, and we loose..
>
> Mark
>
Sounds like keeping that battery charged is a perfect application for a
small solar panel.
Don't get the stab at the government or is that just an election leftover.
Tomsic
.-.
Nov 8, 2012, 10:28:17 AM11/8/12
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"George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:k7bhvj$g31$2...@dont-email.me...
> On 11/6/2012 12:01 PM, micky wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:11:53 -0500, "tm" <No_on...@white-house.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Tim Schwartz" <t...@bristolnj.com> wrote in message
>>> news:k799e9$5n5$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 11/3/2012 1:03 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:14:33 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan
>>>>>> is
>>>>> missin...@brainchampagne.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I spoke to someone from Verizon this morning who said that their plan
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> to start removing copper and transition everyone over to fiber. Thus
>>>>>> ensuring that in the event of a disaster nobody has phone service
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> a few hours. I asked about a [bigger backup battery for the FIOS
>>>>>> ensuring that in the event of a disaster nobody has phone service
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> phone]
>>>>>> and was told that the charger they use isn't powerful enough for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How can the charger not be powerful enough. It has weeks or months
>>>>> to charge the battery, however long it is between power failures.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a 2nd-hand UPS and the battery wore out, and I replaced it with
>>>>> to charge the battery, however long it is between power failures.
>>>>>
>>>>> a bigger one and it worked fine. I just broke out the plastic ribs
>>>>> that held the smaller one in place. Of course they didnt'
>>>>> specifically say a bigger battery wouldn't work, but how would the guy
>>>>> you talked to know? He only "knows" what they told him.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They call this progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can never go back to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, when they install fios they take away the copper wire so
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can never go back to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I called about something and she started pushing me, over and over,
>>>>> to get FIOS. I said I couldn't afford it but she said it was cheaper.
>>>>> I'm still on an introductory rate for DSL and FIOS would be more, not
>>>>> to get FIOS. I said I couldn't afford it but she said it was cheaper.
>>>>> less.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well,
>>>>
>>>> A FIOS backup battery, at least the one in my panel, is a 12 volt gel
>>>> cell rated at 7.2 amp hours, which provides 'UP TO' 8 hours of backup.
>>>> Remember, 2 hours is a subset of UP TO 8 hours. During this event, I
>>>> got
>>>> about 9 hours out of the battery.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'm sure the charge could handle a bit bigger battery, say 10
>>>> AH,
>>>> but to hook up a car battery to it would be asking a bit much of the
>>>> charger. On the other hand, when power is out those with some
>>>> knowledge
>>>> can add in more battery to run the panel while power is out. I do
>>>> this,
>>>> and I disconnect my external battery when I'm not at home, since there
>>>> is
>>>> no reason to run the panel when it will go to the answering system
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, keep in mind that the backup is ONLY for phone, Video and
>>>> internet
>>>> goes away when the AC power is lost, at least on my panel.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tim
>>>> Bristol Electronics
>>>>
>>>
>>> What about the rest of their network? Will it hold up for more than 8
>>> hours?
>>
>> Wouldn't that depend on where all the power outages are? Are there
>>>
>>> What about the rest of their network? Will it hold up for more than 8
>>> hours?
>>
>> amplifers or whatever between the central station and one's home, that
>> require power, and might not have any?
>>
>> Are there back-up generators at Bell and Verizon telephone exchanges?
>>
>> Wired phones run on batteries at the central station with generators
>> to keep the batteries charged, but what about FIOS phone and Fios
>> Internet?
>>
> You are talking about days of old. Less than 40% of the population has
> wired phones and phone companies see the handwriting on the wall. Many
> such as Verizon sold off a bunch of those systems (Verizon sold off 13
> states) to companies that will run what remains on a shoestring budget.
> Stuff that they do retain will never again see the TLC of old.
That's right and one of the things that has changed now is moving the
>> Wired phones run on batteries at the central station with generators
>> to keep the batteries charged, but what about FIOS phone and Fios
>> Internet?
>>
> You are talking about days of old. Less than 40% of the population has
> wired phones and phone companies see the handwriting on the wall. Many
> such as Verizon sold off a bunch of those systems (Verizon sold off 13
> states) to companies that will run what remains on a shoestring budget.
> Stuff that they do retain will never again see the TLC of old.
batteries that ran the wired telephone system from the central station to
the user's property. There's no reason to be content with limited battery
time or even in-house batteries though. The batteries could easily be set
up to charge with a solar cell and the battery could also be put into the
cabinet that services the neighborhood - also with a solar panel to charge
it. FIOS and U-Verse should be pushed to do that.
Tomsic
David Lesher
Nov 8, 2012, 12:26:54 PM11/8/12
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Mark Lloyd <non...@none.invalid> writes:
>I remember seeing the Central Office in Ft. Worth, with a lot
>of big batteries (they said some of the batteries were from old
>submarines). The batteries were supposed to be able to power
>everything for at least 24 hours, with generators for longer
>outages.
CO's are still around; it's just the switches in them are far smaller.
>I remember seeing the Central Office in Ft. Worth, with a lot
>of big batteries (they said some of the batteries were from old
>submarines). The batteries were supposed to be able to power
>everything for at least 24 hours, with generators for longer
>outages.
And they still have generators. And fuel. In the derecho in July,
the CO down the road was on generator for several days.
For whatever reason, FIOS always runs to a CO, not to a DLC in
the neighberhood.
You can't be forced to have FIOS for dialtone in any case I have
seen; as FIOS is not regulated. An obvious example: where there
is no AC power such as a building site. And while it is true the
DLC has only hours of batteries, the telco has an obligation to
keep it powered.
As for the ""too big a battery fable..."; it's not worth debunking
again.
missin...@brainchampagne.com
Nov 8, 2012, 12:51:30 PM11/8/12
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They give you fiber service at the regulated price, since the copper's been removed you can't have copper service anymore. And by 'copper' I include 'century-old, time-tested, reliable service.'
=
Nov 8, 2012, 1:48:14 PM11/8/12
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"Peter" <pk...@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:k7dm37$a7u$1...@news.albasani.net...
regulated; cell phone service much less so.
I'm wondering what would happen if regulations were to be removed from
conventional service. I'll guess that subscrber prices would rise rapidly
and traditional companies would exit asap. However, clever new companies
might well figure out how to keep the copper around if there were fewer
regulations.
Tomsic
k...@att.bizzz
Nov 8, 2012, 11:31:58 PM11/8/12
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:13:03 -0500, Frank
<frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 11/3/2012 9:29 AM, George wrote:
>> On 11/3/2012 6:59 AM, Frank wrote:
> >> Verizon put a fios line to my house to replace the copper wire. It
>>> connects back to the land line box. There is a battery back up in the
>>> fios line in the house. We had been having a lot of copper wire
>>> problems and Verizon did this to solve the problem. We do not have
>>> internet or TV with them.
>>>
>>> I also have Comcast and got the triple play (internet, TV and phone) as
>>> the cheapest package when I up graded to HD sets and DVR. The modem
>>> where phone is connected has battery backup but the internet is not
>>> backed up, only the Comcast phone.
>>
>> There was an interesting problem with comcast. The large area near here
>> fortunately only had some trees down but extensive power failures (and
>> of course the cable is down because there is no power for the various
>> system pieces). So if you had a generator and thought you were going to
>> watch all of stuff you recorded on your comcast DVR you weren't allowed
>> to do it because unless the cable box can talk to the mother ship you
>> can't use it for anything except maybe to prop a door open.
>
>Have not faced that problem. I do have a generator but it is not wired
>in to where I have my DVR. I had thought that the recorded shows were
>on a hard drive in the DVR and it always tells you how much space is
>being used. We've been lucky the last few years and I can't recall more
>than a half day's power outage since I bought the generator and cable or
>copper line signals were never lost.
When I moved, last spring, I thought I could take the cable box with
me and watch the recorded stuff until I got satellite hooked up. The
shows are recorded on the local disk drive but, he's right. Without
communications with the mothership, the box is no more than an
expensive door stop.
<frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 11/3/2012 9:29 AM, George wrote:
>> On 11/3/2012 6:59 AM, Frank wrote:
> >> Verizon put a fios line to my house to replace the copper wire. It
>>> connects back to the land line box. There is a battery back up in the
>>> fios line in the house. We had been having a lot of copper wire
>>> problems and Verizon did this to solve the problem. We do not have
>>> internet or TV with them.
>>>
>>> I also have Comcast and got the triple play (internet, TV and phone) as
>>> the cheapest package when I up graded to HD sets and DVR. The modem
>>> where phone is connected has battery backup but the internet is not
>>> backed up, only the Comcast phone.
>>
>> There was an interesting problem with comcast. The large area near here
>> fortunately only had some trees down but extensive power failures (and
>> of course the cable is down because there is no power for the various
>> system pieces). So if you had a generator and thought you were going to
>> watch all of stuff you recorded on your comcast DVR you weren't allowed
>> to do it because unless the cable box can talk to the mother ship you
>> can't use it for anything except maybe to prop a door open.
>
>Have not faced that problem. I do have a generator but it is not wired
>in to where I have my DVR. I had thought that the recorded shows were
>on a hard drive in the DVR and it always tells you how much space is
>being used. We've been lucky the last few years and I can't recall more
>than a half day's power outage since I bought the generator and cable or
>copper line signals were never lost.
When I moved, last spring, I thought I could take the cable box with
me and watch the recorded stuff until I got satellite hooked up. The
shows are recorded on the local disk drive but, he's right. Without
communications with the mothership, the box is no more than an
expensive door stop.
josephkk
Nov 12, 2012, 2:30:41 PM11/12/12
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Please see:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=PShCAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA2&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false
?-)
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 13, 2012, 2:57:28 AM11/13/12
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josephkk wrote:
>
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:37:19 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Wes Groleau wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11-07-2012 17:34, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >> > Operators, 3i years ago? they must have still been a Strowger type
> >> > Central office if they were that out of date. My home town had it's
> >> > first generation ESS Central Office before that. It replaced some
> >>
> >> I operated a pull-out-out-the-cord-and-plug-it-in switchboard for a few
> >> days in 1973.
> >
> >
> > Not many were left by then.
> >
> >
> >> On Navy ships in the late 1970s, we still had click-click-click rotating
> >> stepper switches.
> >
> >
> > Strowger stepper.
> >
> >
> ><http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1YMkG7qiygjslORZGAFHqGQzJE-4-IEcMxudCY1Nftoo6TKolEKcXApy8>
>
> Mike that is an ordinary stepper, not a Strowger
haven't seen the real thing since the mid '60s. :)
Jon Elson
Nov 14, 2012, 5:45:42 PM11/14/12
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micky wrote:
> But what about FIOS. If there is a power failure at the exchange, do
> But what about FIOS. If there is a power failure at the exchange, do
> they all have generators? Are there amps or something on phone poles
> between the telephone exchange and my house that depend on a source of
> power that's neither the exchange or my house?
There is no "exchange" anymore, in the way there used to be these
> between the telephone exchange and my house that depend on a source of
> power that's neither the exchange or my house?
central offices with a #5 ESS or whatever. It is all moving to ATM
backbone, which is essentially an internet backbone. They put
RT's in the neighborhood that are hooked to a fiber, and branch out
copper cable to the neighborhood. So, the switches are several hundred to
a thousand or so subscriber lines, and distributed all over the landscape,
instead of one building per town. If you drive around, you'll see these
boxes all over the place. There are usually 3 boxes, the RT unit itself,
a power entry module with an electric meter on it, and a wire cabinet.
We have Charter cable here as the only alternative to DSL (which doesn't
work well in our region due to the crappy phone cables) and they have
somewhere around 8 hours of batteries in each box, which serves a couple
blocks. When they have an extended outage, you see them bring out a
little gas generator to each pole with the Charter Pipeline box. Must
be a big pain to set up all those generators.
I can't answer to FIOS, but I'm sure there have to be neighborhood
concentrators, as they can't possibly run miles of fiber to EACH residence.
Fiber has insane capacity, so they can concentrate traffic for hundreds
of high-speed service customers onto one fiber. And, I'm sure those
concentrators only have so much backup battery capacity.
Jon
Jon Elson
Nov 14, 2012, 5:56:24 PM11/14/12
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micky wrote:
> At first I didn't care about internet, because I don't have a laptop
> yet, but I plan to get one. With DSL that I have now, that works
> even when the power is out, right? (Assuming there is power at the
> telephone company.)
No, you need power at your DSL modem/router. They will run off
DC, but the voltages vary by manufacturer.
Jon
> At first I didn't care about internet, because I don't have a laptop
> yet, but I plan to get one. With DSL that I have now, that works
> even when the power is out, right? (Assuming there is power at the
> telephone company.)
No, you need power at your DSL modem/router. They will run off
DC, but the voltages vary by manufacturer.
Jon
bob haller
Nov 14, 2012, 5:50:58 PM11/14/12
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I had some trees profesionally trimed, I could of died that day:( The
tree guy brought down a 15,000 volt main distribution line and knocked
out power for miles. had nice explosion One neighbor had no brains
and attempted to drive over the downed line so she could park her car
in her garage. Neighbors complained the outage messed up their dinner.
cable billed the tree trimers insurance for 15 grand since their main
hub was across the street. they had 50 trucks roll each to power one
amplifier repeater. the tree guys knocked over my pole light which
broke the underground power line. the whole mess took many hours to
correct, there was a burn mark in the asphalt street till it was
repaved. I stiffed the tree trimers for part of their bill for the
damage to my home....
I was going to direct traffic and would of been standing right where
that power line fell. no more bob.
Up till then I always wanted to see a high voltage short, after that I
never wanted to see one again
Arnie Goetchius
Nov 15, 2012, 5:08:25 PM11/15/12
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micky wrote:
>> could. A Verizon service technician told me that Verizon was not putting
>> any money into the maintenance of copper lines. The lines were getting
>> worse so outages were becoming more frequent.
>
> Some lines maybe, but I don't think any around here are going out more
> frequently.
>
>> The number of technicians
>> that could repair them was shrinking as they retired or left the company
>> since new technicians were not being trained, at least as thoroughly, as
>> they needed to be to service copper lines. Finally, Verizon offered to
>> install FiOS for free. I found it interesting that they were charging at
>> the start of the changeover several years ago. I read recently that
>> Verizon's desire to change over more quickly has subsided since they are not
>> making as much money on FiOS as they planned.
>>
>> I was told the battery lasts about eight hours of actual use time so
>> unless you make / receive calls lasting eight hours straight, the battery
>> should last for several days.
>
> IInteresting.
>
> http://www22.verizon.com/support/residential/phone/homephone/general+support/fios+phone/troubleshooting+fios+phone+service/95363.htm
> that Retired posted says " your back-up battery will provide you with
> power for voice service for up to 8 hours."
>
> Seems ambiguous. I'd be happier if it said voice usage. I"m under
> the impression that I have "phone service" even when I'm not using the
> phone. Still it is hard to believe that a " 12-Volt 7.2 Ah SLA
> Sealed Lead Acid battery" would run down in only 8 hours of non-use.
>
> Plus that's with a fully capable battery. Sealed lead acid
> batteries get old and hold less charge as time goes on.
>
>> I hate the idea of having to use a battery
>> for my phone in an emergency but I know that Radio Shack sells the
>> batteries. The batteries also last about five years at which time they
>> should be replaced as part of a PM program.
>
> One more thing I have to keep track of, and then do.
>
>> I have been thinking about
>> getting a backup battery and regularly topping off the charge with a trickle
>> charger but I have procrastinated on this.
>
> More things if I do all that.
>
>>
>
On some ONT's there is a power jack on the side of the battery pack
where you can plug power from an auto or marine battery which would give
you a couple of days of phone. In my case of 11 days without power,
Verizon automatically transferred all of my incoming land line calls to
my cell phone.
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:21:39 -0500, "Baron" <pfis...@comNGcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "Mark" <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:9b5e0f1e-a3bb-4ffd...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>>> correct Fios has a battery at your home which is your responsibility
>>> to maintain.
>>>
>>> during a power failure, the battery powers your phone, for a few hours
>>> only.
>>>
>>> seems to me the lobbyists did their job convincing the govt that this
>>> is ok, and we loose..
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You are absolutely correct! I hung onto my copper line as long as I
> wrote:
>
>> "Mark" <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:9b5e0f1e-a3bb-4ffd...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>>> correct Fios has a battery at your home which is your responsibility
>>> to maintain.
>>>
>>> during a power failure, the battery powers your phone, for a few hours
>>> only.
>>>
>>> seems to me the lobbyists did their job convincing the govt that this
>>> is ok, and we loose..
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>
>> could. A Verizon service technician told me that Verizon was not putting
>> any money into the maintenance of copper lines. The lines were getting
>> worse so outages were becoming more frequent.
>
> Some lines maybe, but I don't think any around here are going out more
> frequently.
>
>> The number of technicians
>> that could repair them was shrinking as they retired or left the company
>> since new technicians were not being trained, at least as thoroughly, as
>> they needed to be to service copper lines. Finally, Verizon offered to
>> install FiOS for free. I found it interesting that they were charging at
>> the start of the changeover several years ago. I read recently that
>> Verizon's desire to change over more quickly has subsided since they are not
>> making as much money on FiOS as they planned.
>>
>> I was told the battery lasts about eight hours of actual use time so
>> unless you make / receive calls lasting eight hours straight, the battery
>> should last for several days.
>
> IInteresting.
>
> http://www22.verizon.com/support/residential/phone/homephone/general+support/fios+phone/troubleshooting+fios+phone+service/95363.htm
> that Retired posted says " your back-up battery will provide you with
> power for voice service for up to 8 hours."
>
> Seems ambiguous. I'd be happier if it said voice usage. I"m under
> the impression that I have "phone service" even when I'm not using the
> phone. Still it is hard to believe that a " 12-Volt 7.2 Ah SLA
> Sealed Lead Acid battery" would run down in only 8 hours of non-use.
>
> Plus that's with a fully capable battery. Sealed lead acid
> batteries get old and hold less charge as time goes on.
>
>> I hate the idea of having to use a battery
>> for my phone in an emergency but I know that Radio Shack sells the
>> batteries. The batteries also last about five years at which time they
>> should be replaced as part of a PM program.
>
> One more thing I have to keep track of, and then do.
>
>> I have been thinking about
>> getting a backup battery and regularly topping off the charge with a trickle
>> charger but I have procrastinated on this.
>
> More things if I do all that.
>
>>
>
On some ONT's there is a power jack on the side of the battery pack
where you can plug power from an auto or marine battery which would give
you a couple of days of phone. In my case of 11 days without power,
Verizon automatically transferred all of my incoming land line calls to
my cell phone.
David Lesher
Nov 27, 2012, 12:02:02 AM11/27/12
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Jon Elson <jme...@wustl.edu> writes:
>There is no "exchange" anymore, in the way there used to be
>these central offices with a #5 ESS or whatever.
False. You can look up your Central Office location several
>There is no "exchange" anymore, in the way there used to be
>these central offices with a #5 ESS or whatever.
places. First, DSL Reports has a "find your CO" function. And
http://localcallingguide.com does as well.
Your FIOS and DSL and POTS are fed from that building.
Take the case of 314-935, a WashU prefix, that's CLLI
STLSMO07DSA at 6214 Delmar <http://goo.gl/maps/tgNWk>
Note the logo at the doorway.
Now, if you have POTS it's likely fed from a switch there.
If you get FIOS, (which you can't in SBC-land) it's fed from
there but all the "dial tone" is from one central switch in the
area; in DC's case, Reston VA. (You still get a 314-935 type
number...)
>It is all moving to ATM backbone, which is essentially an
>internet backbone.
>There are usually 3 boxes, the RT unit itself, a power entry
>module with an electric meter on it, and a wire cabinet.
the glass from it runs to ... a CO building. The DLC's are
pretty stupid; they are just muxes. The next step up is a
5ESS Remote; fed by a 5E. But the Remotes I have seen are in
buildings, not pedestals.
And FIOS is fed from a CO; I have yet to see one fed from a DLC.
>We have Charter cable here as the only alternative to DSL (which doesn't
>work well in our region due to the crappy phone cables) and they have
>somewhere around 8 hours of batteries in each box, which serves a couple
>blocks. When they have an extended outage, you see them bring out a
>little gas generator to each pole with the Charter Pipeline box. Must
>be a big pain to set up all those generators.
HFC; and if they leave them, they often grow legs.....
>I can't answer to FIOS, but I'm sure there have to be
>neighborhood concentrators, as they can't possibly run miles of
>fiber to EACH residence.
boxes.
>Fiber has insane capacity, so they can concentrate traffic for
>hundreds of high-speed service customers onto one fiber. And,
>I'm sure those concentrators only have so much backup battery
>capacity.
splitter needing power. Each fiber to the CO splits out to feed
32 house fibers. The splitting is done with a prism; there is
nothing powered in the box.
FIOS needs power at the house, and the CO...and nowhere else.
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