Can Lg Washer drain go up into the ceiling and over to sewer pipe ?
Ray
The manual says the drain pump will work to a max of 8 feet.
I'm wondering if I could relocate my washer to where there is no drain pipe,
then install plumbing in the basement ceiling over to a drain pipe.
In other words pump it up and over, rather than breaking up the basement
floor to extend the drain.
Ray
aemeijers
If all else fails, they sell plastic collector boxes with built in
pumps, that would do what you want. Essentially an above-the-floor sump
pit. I've been planning to buy one for my basement to make the abandoned
slop sink usable, and reduce the distance my washer has to pump uphill.
(Floor drains and old washer standpipe to graywater drywell have failed,
and would cost a fortune to fix. Washer is jammed into the collector for
the septic tank, along with the drain lines for furnace and water softener.)
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buffalobill
whether it says a maximum head (height) of 8 feet or a maximum
discharge hose length of 8 feet, washing machines pumps are not
generally built to accomplish what you describe. in the newer 2000
era machines you may find the speed of the discharge water is greater
than that of the top loader whirlpools of the 1970's, so snake out
your drains and washtubs and standpipes if you are installing a new
machine.
see also siphoning concerns:
http://fixitnow.com/wp/2004/08/27/appliance-repair-revelation-water-flows-into-the-washer-but-the-tub-never-fills-up/
Ray
" >
> If all else fails, they sell plastic collector boxes with built in pumps,
> that would do what you want. Essentially an above-the-floor sump pit. I've
> been planning to buy one for my basement to make the abandoned slop sink
> usable, and reduce the distance my washer has to pump uphill. (Floor
> drains and old washer standpipe to graywater drywell have failed, and
> would cost a fortune to fix. Washer is jammed into the collector for the
> septic tank, along with the drain lines for furnace and water softener.)
>
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> aem sends...
I googled 'plastic collector boxes with built in pumps", but nothing came
up..
Do you know what they are called, or where they can be bought ?
aemeijers
Here is one with a built-in box- I know there are others out there,
because I found them on previous searches, but I can't remember the
proper name for them either. 'Sink drain pump' produced some hits as well.
http://www.filterace.com/detail.aspx?ID=1300
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mfrencher
http://www.thestuccocompany.com/maintenance/Can-Lg-Washer-drain-go-up-into-the-ceiling-and-over-to-sewer-395641-.htm
:
Ray wrote:
> Ray
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Definitely go with the self contained tank/pump combo units. I like
Zurn's units and Little Giant versions best. Key word search= sewage
ejector pumps.
If the install is bad you will 100% flood you below grade room. Must be a
good
high capacity sewer line you hook into!!
aemeijers
Here's another one:
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=313498-48284-57339-LWS1&lpage=none
As much as I want to proceed with this project here, it isn't even in
the top half of the list of stuff this place needs... :^(
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LdB
drain with a water hose up and over to the old drain. If it works
fine. If it doesn't work then consult the rocket scientists.
LdB
Tony
I don't see any problem with that although most others don't like it.
Not sure why?
If it was mine I'd do your plan but set the washer op on a 16" to 24"
base. First it makes things easier on your back when you don't have to
bend so low. Second, it doesn't push your drain pump to it's max rating.
Ray
"Tony" <tony....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I will probably try something like that.....
With the pumping systems being between $300 - $800 and still a lot of
equipment to go wrong, it's either that, or break up the floor.
Smitty Two
frenchfamily5_at...@foo.com (mfrencher) wrote:
Stop posting from the fucking spam stucco site. This is usenet. Look it
up.
Smitty Two
LdB <L...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Try it. The manual says 8'. Your head will likely be less. Run a temp
> drain with a water hose up and over to the old drain. If it works
> fine. If it doesn't work then consult the rocket scientists.
>
Where does all the water in the uphill side of the hose go, when the
pump stops? Back into the washer?
Bob
>
> Where does all the water in the uphill side of the hose go, when the
> pump stops? Back into the washer?
That's right. There is usually a sump between the wash basket and pump.
The maximum head height specification takes that into consideration;
exceed it and you may still have standing water in the wash basket after
the machine stops.
Dymphna
Not to mention how the water in the hose is going to smell if it is not
run on a daily basis.
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jamesgangnc
wrote:
That's the case with all washers. The outside drum is deeper than the
one the clothes sit in so the remaining water doesn't reach them.
Dish washer does the same thing, water sits in the bottom. Using them
once a week or so is enough that the water doesn't get really stale.
Julia Thomas
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micky
>My son moved into a house with overhead drain in the basement about 10 months ago. The line is just under 8’ from the floor with a brass check valve at about 4’ high. His 27 year old Kenmore has been working fine with it for that time. It does have a P-trap in the line where it connects to the main feeder.
What is the question? Because of thread drift, one cannot at all
assume the question is the subject line.
Assuming the subject might be the question:
My understanding is that washing machines will indeed pump 8 feet above
the floor but if you're not sure, get a guarantee in writing from the
store selling you the machine that you can return it for cash. Or maybe
one replacemen4t and cash if that one won't work. No extra delivery or
installation charge, in writing.
If you already own it, connect an output hose that goes 8 feet up and
then back down into the laundry sink or a big garbage can and see how it
works. If it works, connect it permanently.
Bob F
long term. As soon as the siphon effect starts, the pressure the washer
is providing drops again.
micky
>On 2/20/2021 12:19 PM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:30:58 +0000, Trainkarr
>> <a3862a7c5dc578e5...@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My son moved into a house with overhead drain in the basement about 10 months ago. The line is just under 8’ from the floor with a brass check valve at about 4’ high. His 27 year old Kenmore has been working fine with it for that time. It does have a P-trap in the line where it connects to the main feeder.
>>
>> This post is not a question.
>>
>> What is the question? Because of thread drift, one cannot at all
>> assume the question is the subject line.
>>
>> Assuming the subject might be the question:
>>
>> My understanding is that washing machines will indeed pump 8 feet above
>> the floor but if you're not sure, get a guarantee in writing from the
>> store selling you the machine that you can return it for cash. Or maybe
>> one replacemen4t and cash if that one won't work. No extra delivery or
>> installation charge, in writing.
>>
>> If you already own it, connect an output hose that goes 8 feet up and
>> then back down into the laundry sink or a big garbage can and see how it
>> works. If it works, connect it permanently.
>>
>
>That only tests whether it can pump into that height for a moment, not
>long term. As soon as the siphon effect starts, the pressure the washer
>is providing drops again.
So make the output hose end just after it rounds the top at 8' and have
a second hose with a mouth big enough to catch all that comes out of the
first hose. That ends the siphon effect and more closely resembles what
will happen when the output is connected to the existing drain.
Or maybe just use one hose but put a substantial hole at the top, for
air, to end the siphon effect, maybe with a tube stuck in it to resemble
the air vent that all the drains in the house have, usually going up
through the roof. Of course if he's as high as the ceiling already, I'm
not sure where the tube will go. (It's purpose was to keep water from
splashing out of the hose. Otherwise a hole would be enough.)
I also see the hard-to-read subject line implies he wants to go more
than 8 feet high, to inside the ceiling. I guess he could knock a hole
where the hole will eventually be if this works and go up 8.5 feet for
the test hose.
I've mentioned in the past that the stream next to my house backs up
into the laundry sink when it rains the right way, so I have to keep it
plugged except when using the washing machine The 3 houses next to me
have the same problem. When my next door n'bor wanted to put a bathroom
in his basement, there is already (a light and) a drain under the
cement, but for some reason I looked into upwardly pumping toilets and
found that most washign machines also could go up 8 feet (and probably
8.5 feet.) His 27 year old kenmore does. So maybe he should write to LG
and ask them if 8 feet is the limit or what?
Ed Pawlowski
> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 20 Feb 2021 17:04:02 -0800, Bob F
> <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/20/2021 12:19 PM, micky wrote:
>>> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:30:58 +0000, Trainkarr
>>> <a3862a7c5dc578e5...@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My son moved into a house with overhead drain in the basement about 10 months ago. The line is just under 8’ from the floor with a brass check valve at about 4’ high. His 27 year old Kenmore has been working fine with it for that time. It does have a P-trap in the line where it connects to the main feeder.
>>>
>>> This post is not a question.
>>>
>>> What is the question? Because of thread drift, one cannot at all
>>> assume the question is the subject line.
>>>
>>> Assuming the subject might be the question:
>>
>
> into the laundry sink when it rains the right way, so I have to keep it
> plugged except when using the washing machine The 3 houses next to me
> have the same problem. When my next door n'bor wanted to put a bathroom
> in his basement, there is already (a light and) a drain under the
> cement, but for some reason I looked into upwardly pumping toilets and
> found that most washign machines also could go up 8 feet (and probably
> 8.5 feet.) His 27 year old kenmore does. So maybe he should write to LG
> and ask them if 8 feet is the limit or what?
>
strain off the washer and you get the handy tub .
https://tinyurl.com/1sgwk781
https://tinyurl.com/e2dez4ei
Bob F
long hose of water from draining back into the washer right after
getting pumped out. It would be best to have it be easily checked for
fouling by lint.
micky
first time the stream flooded, it didn't stop the water from filling the
sink and overflowing. Maybe it slowed it, I don't have any way to tell.
The stream only floods on average once a year. I suspect the check
valve was clogged with lint, but there is no way to check mine or clean
it. Maybe draining water from the sink does something, but it clearly
didnt' do enough.
My washing machine doesn't have a lint filter, only a lint chopper. It
says it chops the lint up into smaller pieces. but I have a sort of
lint filter in the drain hole of the sink (a tube of plastic with small
holes at the bottom and bigger holes at the top. I do find lint clogging
the smaller holes). And I used to have a mesh sock on the output hose
from the washer. I dont' remember why I stopped using that, but iow,
the check valve wasn't enough to stop the enormous back pressure from
the stream. That's not the same as the water in a pipe going to the
ceiling.
(My sump pump doesn't have a check valve either and every time it turns
off, I hear 9 feet of water flow back into the sump. In that case, I
assume I've wasted much less than a penny when the pump has to push it
up again the next time. If I installed a 2nd pump, like a battery
backup pump, I'd have to put check valves in both outputs)
Tekkie©
On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 13:37:30 -0500, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...
>
> On 2/21/2021 1:24 PM, micky wrote:
> > In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 20 Feb 2021 17:04:02 -0800, Bob F
> > <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/20/2021 12:19 PM, micky wrote:
> >>> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:30:58 +0000, Trainkarr
> >>> <a3862a7c5dc578e5...@example.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This post is not a question.
> >>>
> >>> What is the question? Because of thread drift, one cannot at all
> >>> assume the question is the subject line.
> >>>
> >>> Assuming the subject might be the question:
> >>
> >
> > I've mentioned in the past that the stream next to my house backs up
> > into the laundry sink when it rains the right way, so I have to keep it
> > plugged except when using the washing machine The 3 houses next to me
> > have the same problem. When my next door n'bor wanted to put a bathroom
> > in his basement, there is already (a light and) a drain under the
> > cement, but for some reason I looked into upwardly pumping toilets and
> > found that most washign machines also could go up 8 feet (and probably
> > 8.5 feet.) His 27 year old kenmore does. So maybe he should write to LG
> > and ask them if 8 feet is the limit or what?
> >
>
> Simple solution is to put in a laundry tub and one of these. Takes
> strain off the washer and you get the handy tub .
>
> https://tinyurl.com/1sgwk781
>
> https://tinyurl.com/e2dez4ei
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Tekkie