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gfre...@aol.com

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Oct 9, 2021, 12:52:41 AM10/9/21
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Lester Holt did a story tonight that centered on why it is so hard to
hire employees. One of the big problems is people are holding out for
a job they can do from home. I agree that is great work if you can get
it but the fact is, the jobs we need filled are ones where you have to
show up.
The other thing these people need to understand is if a job can be
done remotely, they will ship it offshore.
You only have to look at IBM.
IBM started pushing remote work in the mid 90s. A lot of people
thought it was great until they were told they weren't needed anymore.
Now the majority of IBM employees are working remotely from India.

"At least 70% of IBM employees are based outside the United States,
and the country with the largest number of IBM employees is India."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM

Now that is spreading.
Covid was a godsend for the bean counters. They actually were driven
to see what work could be done from home.
I know most companies like the idea of getting rid of office space any
way they could as a cost saving thing and they got a good taste of it.
Next will be reducing payroll.
Sanjay will do your tech/IT job in Mumbai for 385,000 rupees a year.
That is less than $100 a week.
http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=100&loctype=1&job=1&jobtype=1

Those people are going to have to resign themselves to putting their
clothes on and going in to work while there is still work for them to
do.

trader_4

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Oct 9, 2021, 8:48:48 AM10/9/21
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I saw that too. Which is why if the remaining 80 mil would get vaccinated
we could be in a better situation and closer to getting conditions back to
normal.

I used to like Holt, but my opinion is steadily declining. A few days ago
they ran a story on the "two sides" to the debate over passing the $3.5T
"infrastructure" spending. Ninety five percent of the time was on the lib side,
showing one story after another, how much a mom with three kids loves
the free child care, how great it is, etc. The 5% on the other side was
showing old turtle head Mitch saying it's wasteful and reckless for
ten seconds. That's a perfect example of how most of the mainstream
media is biased. It's not fake, but it is biased.



Ralph Mowery

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Oct 9, 2021, 10:11:27 AM10/9/21
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In article <in62mgt0c7fej4v3p...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...
>
> Now that is spreading.
> Covid was a godsend for the bean counters. They actually were driven
> to see what work could be done from home.
> I know most companies like the idea of getting rid of office space any
> way they could as a cost saving thing and they got a good taste of it.
> Next will be reducing payroll.
> Sanjay will do your tech/IT job in Mumbai for 385,000 rupees a year.
> That is less than $100 a week.
> http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=100&loctype=1&job=1&jobtype
>

Just before the covid hit my son was trying to get a job with Microsoft.
He had to freelance for a while,the virus hit, then he was hired over
the computer/telephone. Has not been to the Microsoft building sense
before he was hired. Talked to him a few days ago and last word from MS
was they would let the people know if they were ever needed back at the
ofice. He handles computer problems for the west coast from about noon
to 9 pm our time here in North Carolina. He works those hours by
choice. So his job could be done anywhere in the world there is
intenet.

Ed Pawlowski

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Oct 9, 2021, 12:01:19 PM10/9/21
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Great if you can but the majority of jobs are still in a workplace
together. Unless they start sending car arts home for assembly you have
to show up. When I was working I could do 20% of my work from home but
had to be there for most of it. Seems some are now spoiled and don't
want what is readily available.

gfre...@aol.com

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Oct 9, 2021, 12:07:22 PM10/9/21
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Things will get closer to normal when the media starts calling this
endemic and not pandemic. If you think the shot works, you shouldn't
be scared of Covid. I'm not.

>I used to like Holt, but my opinion is steadily declining. A few days ago
>they ran a story on the "two sides" to the debate over passing the $3.5T
>"infrastructure" spending. Ninety five percent of the time was on the lib side,
>showing one story after another, how much a mom with three kids loves
>the free child care, how great it is, etc. The 5% on the other side was
>showing old turtle head Mitch saying it's wasteful and reckless for
>ten seconds. That's a perfect example of how most of the mainstream
>media is biased. It's not fake, but it is biased.
>
>

Comcast still signs his paycheck and writes his script. They are
unabashedly in bed with the DNC. David Cohen just moved from executive
VP to senior advisor to the CEO at Comcast and he is traditionally the
largest DNC "bundler".
There is no question which way they lean.

Frank

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Oct 9, 2021, 12:31:49 PM10/9/21
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On 10/9/2021 10:11 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Same with our eldest son who is a data base manager. He said he could
live anywhere.

With our younger lawyer sons, one has been working out of the house and
the other out of the office. The bulk of their work is on line or
telephone.

Ralph Mowery

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Oct 9, 2021, 12:45:57 PM10/9/21
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In article <f1j8J.127501$z%4.5...@fx37.iad>, e...@snet.xxx says...
>
> Great if you can but the majority of jobs are still in a workplace
> together. Unless they start sending car arts home for assembly you have
> to show up. When I was working I could do 20% of my work from home but
> had to be there for most of it. Seems some are now spoiled and don't
> want what is readily available.
>
>

Many jobs that seem hard to fill now are the ones you actually have to
show up for work. The food service and factroies around the town I live
in have signs out wanting people . There is no excuse for able body
people not working. I worked several years in the past at a job I
almost hated . The work was not bad, the company good to work for, and
the pay was good, it was just a boring manual labor job. Not even that
fast or hard work. Had to do it before I could find a better job that
paid more as I did not want to take a job that required the skills I had
that paid less. I had offers of jobs that required the skills I had but
they did not want to pay much.

Sort of like someone mentioned that at one time the nurses left to be
bartenders . Bartending not that bad of a job, does not require many
years of education, not much responsibilities and if the pay is better,
why not work for the better pay.

In a way it is about time the labor market came back to the workers.
Before around 1975 to 1985 one could leave one job and get hired
somewhere else for about the same money. Then it got to the point many
jobs went over seas and good jobs were hard to find and the companies
could treat the workers most any way as they were afraid that if they
quit they could not find another job.

Maskless Sociopath

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Oct 9, 2021, 1:13:43 PM10/9/21
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On 10/9/2021 8:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> I saw that too. Which is why if the remaining 80 mil would get vaccinated
> we could be in a better situation and closer to getting conditions back to
> normal.


Bidenflation prices are so high, the American workforce will need monthly stimulus checks just to buy gasoline to go to work.

What I wouldn't give for some mean tweets and 99 cent gasoline!


https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_693cf4d4-73c7-11ea-b602-b70aca8738c8.html

Frank

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Oct 9, 2021, 1:17:20 PM10/9/21
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Not a single one of the orange man haters will admit their mistake.
Question is, will they do it again? They will say they will but will be
lying.

rbowman

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Oct 9, 2021, 2:12:43 PM10/9/21
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This week was the first time back in the office for most of our people.
It's damn noisy with all those people wandering around and chattering.
For a year and a half it was generally 4 people socially distanced at 50
feet or so. I could make a pot of coffee and have it all to myself.


rbowman

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Oct 9, 2021, 2:21:13 PM10/9/21
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On 10/09/2021 10:45 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <f1j8J.127501$z%4.5...@fx37.iad>, e...@snet.xxx says...
>>
>> Great if you can but the majority of jobs are still in a workplace
>> together. Unless they start sending car arts home for assembly you have
>> to show up. When I was working I could do 20% of my work from home but
>> had to be there for most of it. Seems some are now spoiled and don't
>> want what is readily available.
>>
>>
>
> Many jobs that seem hard to fill now are the ones you actually have to
> show up for work. The food service and factroies around the town I live
> in have signs out wanting people . There is no excuse for able body
> people not working. I worked several years in the past at a job I
> almost hated . The work was not bad, the company good to work for, and
> the pay was good, it was just a boring manual labor job. Not even that
> fast or hard work. Had to do it before I could find a better job that
> paid more as I did not want to take a job that required the skills I had
> that paid less. I had offers of jobs that required the skills I had but
> they did not want to pay much.

Even China Freight has a sign out on the sidewalk offering $15 an hour
to start. The Democrats were screaming for a $15 minimum wage. Now that
that's the de facto minimum people still don't want to work.

A local lib likes to say 700,000 people died which is why there aren't
any workers. Even stipulating that number, at least 40% were nursing
home residents and not part of the labor force.


> Sort of like someone mentioned that at one time the nurses left to be
> bartenders . Bartending not that bad of a job, does not require many
> years of education, not much responsibilities and if the pay is better,
> why not work for the better pay.

My mother was a private nurse at one point. She left for an office job
in a shirt factory. The pay was better and you didn't have some
not-quite-dead patient trying to grab your ass.



Ralph Mowery

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Oct 9, 2021, 3:14:19 PM10/9/21
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In article <ise4sk...@mid.individual.net>, bow...@montana.com
says...
>
> Even China Freight has a sign out on the sidewalk offering $15 an hour
> to start. The Democrats were screaming for a $15 minimum wage. Now that
> that's the de facto minimum people still don't want to work.
>
> A local lib likes to say 700,000 people died which is why there aren't
> any workers. Even stipulating that number, at least 40% were nursing
> home residents and not part of the labor force.
>
>
>

Maybe half of them would be in the working force.

There still seems to be around 300,000 filing for unemployment from what
I see. That looks like a lot of potential workers to me. So why are
they not employed ? Making too much money not working ? There may not
be the kinds of jobs they want,but as I mentioned I worked a job I did
not want for a few years before I could find a job I like that paid
better.

Peeler

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Oct 9, 2021, 3:32:35 PM10/9/21
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:21:07 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Even China Freight has a sign out on the sidewalk offering $15 an hour
> to start. The Democrats were screaming for a $15 minimum wage. Now that
> that's the de facto minimum people still don't want to work.

YOU would need a job where you get paid for gossiping profusely, senile
blabbermouth!

Peeler

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Oct 9, 2021, 3:34:22 PM10/9/21
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:12:39 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> This week was the first time back in the office for most of our people.
> It's damn noisy with all those people wandering around and chattering.

And you being the only silent one, senile gossip! Yeah, right! LMAO

rbowman

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Oct 9, 2021, 8:56:17 PM10/9/21
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I only ever collected unemployment for a couple of months. Then I came
home and found a note tacked to the door from my former boss. A company
that I'd done some design work for in my old job wanted to hire me.

No rest for the weary. It was summer and I still had some weeks of
unemployment left but it was back to the grindstone.


Jim Joyce

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Oct 10, 2021, 3:36:26 AM10/10/21
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When you start off with a couple of things that are clearly and
demonstrably false, it kind of throws shade on the rest of what you're
saying.

NBC employees don't work for Comcast, (please don't make me explain such a
simple and obvious thing), nor does Comcast have input to his so-called
script.

Even if the rest of what you wrote is technically true, and I don't care if
it is or not, starting off with total BS is just shooting yourself in the
foot.

Jim Joyce

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Oct 10, 2021, 3:43:29 AM10/10/21
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:45:53 -0400, Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net>
wrote:

>In article <f1j8J.127501$z%4.5...@fx37.iad>, e...@snet.xxx says...
>>
>> Great if you can but the majority of jobs are still in a workplace
>> together. Unless they start sending car arts home for assembly you have
>> to show up. When I was working I could do 20% of my work from home but
>> had to be there for most of it. Seems some are now spoiled and don't
>> want what is readily available.
>>
>>
>
>Many jobs that seem hard to fill now are the ones you actually have to
>show up for work. The food service and factroies around the town I live
>in have signs out wanting people . There is no excuse for able body
>people not working.
<snip>

Actually, there are lots of reasons why someone who seems able-bodied to
you might not be working. What is able-bodied, anyway? Do people with
physical disabilities get a free pass? Can you see everyone's complete life
story just by looking at them?

So I agree, no excuses, but plenty of possible reasons.

Peeler

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Oct 10, 2021, 4:54:33 AM10/10/21
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 18:56:12 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> I only ever collected unemployment for a couple of months. Then I came
> home and found a note tacked to the door from my former boss. A company
> that I'd done some design work for in my old job wanted to hire me.
>
> No rest for the weary. It was summer and I still had some weeks of
> unemployment left but it was back to the grindstone.

Another dramatic bullshit story from the ever so dramatic life of the
resident drama queen! LOL

gfre...@aol.com

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Oct 11, 2021, 8:07:15 AM10/11/21
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 02:36:21 -0500, Jim Joyce <no...@none.invalid>
wrote:
Comcast owns NBC. They certainly are in a position to guide them
politically.
How naive are you?
If you don't think NBC and particularly MSNBC has a left lean to it
you are only showing how partisan you are.


C

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Oct 11, 2021, 9:18:40 AM10/11/21
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They don't make car parts here anymore, that solved part of that problem.

Jim Joyce

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Oct 11, 2021, 12:43:42 PM10/11/21
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Backpedaling and baseless conjecture noted. Thank you.

>How naive are you?
>If you don't think NBC and particularly MSNBC has a left lean to it
>you are only showing how partisan you are.

Wilderness diversion attempt noted. No one said anything about left or
right leaning. I was simply pointing out that NBC employees don't work for
Comcast, which is something so basic that it shouldn't need to be
explained.

Troll much?

gfre...@aol.com

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Oct 11, 2021, 9:34:22 PM10/11/21
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 11:43:39 -0500, Jim Joyce <no...@none.invalid>
You really think the company that owns a company, doesn't influence
what they do. I guess you have too far from the private sector to
understand.

Dean Hoffman

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Oct 13, 2021, 11:16:45 AM10/13/21
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A record number quit in August. 4.3 million people or 2.9%.
<https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/12/economy/jolts-job-openings/index.html>
I didn't see anything about the age of the workers. Maybe some are close enough
to retirement age to call it good.

Ralph Mowery

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Oct 13, 2021, 11:47:49 AM10/13/21
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In article <24bb2588-6de8-4949...@googlegroups.com>,
dean...@gmail.com says...
>
> A record number quit in August. 4.3 million people or 2.9%.
> <https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/12/economy/jolts-job-openings/index.html>
> I didn't see anything about the age of the workers. Maybe some are close enough
> to retirement age to call it good.
>
>

Are they counting on actual job loss of the ones quiting ,or is it that
many of them are leaving one job to go to another ?

Around the town I live in many places have help wanted signs outside and
some are even posting the strting pay. Some companies like the
warehouses have developed the idea over the year that they hire people ,
work the crap out of them and before they are there long enough for many
benefits the people leave and mor eare waiting in line. Sooner or later
and it may be now they will have ran through all the people in the town
that want to work there and no one wants to work there.

For example say McDonalds was paying $ 12 an hout and another fast food
place put out a sign that says $ 13 an hour the people will leave one
and go to the other.


gfre...@aol.com

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Oct 14, 2021, 9:49:21 PM10/14/21
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They do seem to be people just quitting and assuming they can force
employers to pay more. In the short therm it might work but companies
are in the business of balancing labor costs to what customers are
willing to pay for the product so a lot of these jobs may just go
south or overseas.
I bet we are going to see a lot of "Juan" Deere tractors soon.

Dean Hoffman

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Oct 14, 2021, 10:15:31 PM10/14/21
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Funny you mention that. JD is on strike.
<https://nypost.com/2021/10/14/10000-john-deere-uaw-workers-go-on-strike/>

Ralph Mowery

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Oct 14, 2021, 11:14:44 PM10/14/21
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In article <q9nhmgpu678p018u5...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...
>
> They do seem to be people just quitting and assuming they can force
> employers to pay more. In the short therm it might work but companies
> are in the business of balancing labor costs to what customers are
> willing to pay for the product so a lot of these jobs may just go
> south or overseas.
> I bet we are going to see a lot of "Juan" Deere tractors soon.
>
>

Many of the jobs that are being forced to raise the wages are ones that
require someone on the job such as the fast food industry. Seems there
are not enough truck drivers to move items.

I would think that the workers would find a job paying more and then
quit the one they have. It is like I told my son to keep his head in
the job market and if he is offered more money in a field he likes, go
for it. I found out the companies do not care for the workers any more
and if they can do anything to cut the cost they will. Around here in
the 60's and 70's it was a worker could leave one place and to another
that paid about the same. The jobs got hard to get so the companies
could treat the workers like dirt. Now it seems the workers are back in
the drivers seat now.


gfre...@aol.com

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Oct 15, 2021, 9:53:39 AM10/15/21
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Uncanny. It's almost like I watched the news.

gfre...@aol.com

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Oct 15, 2021, 10:00:16 AM10/15/21
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That won't last long. I am sure there are people in board rooms
planning a strategy to deal with this as we speak. I already see one
restaurant here in town has a robot server.
It is a fine line in a lot of businesses where machines can replace
workers for less money and when you cross that line Robby the Robot*
steps in.

*(Forbidden Planet reference for you old folks)

Ralph Mowery

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Oct 15, 2021, 10:18:08 AM10/15/21
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In article <s02jmg5euu2a9d4g0...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...
>
> That won't last long. I am sure there are people in board rooms
> planning a strategy to deal with this as we speak. I already see one
> restaurant here in town has a robot server.
> It is a fine line in a lot of businesses where machines can replace
> workers for less money and when you cross that line Robby the Robot*
> steps in.
>
> *(Forbidden Planet reference for you old folks)
>
>

Better make the Robby the Robot reference for the young folks. That
movie came out in the 1950's.

Some things can be replaced by robots, but someone has to be in the area
to maintain the robots and feed them the raw materials.


gfre...@aol.com

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Oct 15, 2021, 11:44:29 AM10/15/21
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The number of employees is pretty low and the number of skilled
employees is even lower. Cheap offshore manufacturing has made
"maintenance" just cutting open the box and plugging in large FRUs
(sub assemblies). Thirty years ago or more, actually fixing things
became a lost art.

rbowman

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Oct 15, 2021, 8:59:36 PM10/15/21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oawxz57xkBE

https://www.fastcompany.com/3066169/the-toy-robot-sensation-that-time-forgot

Compared to modern R/C toys it was primitive but I thought it was a
pretty slick toy at the time.

In later years when installing an automated molding system for watt-hour
meters at GE Somersworth I'd wander down to the diecast area to watch
the Unimates.

https://www.automate.org/a3-content/joseph-engelberger-unimate

I saw the future, but the 1973 oil embargo put paid to that.
Manufacturers lost interest in robots when they could ship the jobs to
third world countries where human robots were cheaper than capital
investment. I took another career path as the US machine tool industry
collapsed.


Peeler

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Oct 16, 2021, 3:59:02 AM10/16/21
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:59:30 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Compared to modern R/C toys it was primitive but I thought it was a
> pretty slick toy at the time.
>
> In later years when installing an automated molding system for watt-hour
> meters at GE Somersworth I'd wander down to the diecast area to watch
> the Unimates.
>
> https://www.automate.org/a3-content/joseph-engelberger-unimate
>
> I saw the future, but the 1973 oil embargo put paid to that.
> Manufacturers lost interest in robots when they could ship the jobs to
> third world countries where human robots were cheaper than capital
> investment. I took another career path as the US machine tool industry
> collapsed.

Do you have the impression that you told us EVERYTHING about your life
already, senile gossip? Or are there still a few blank spots in your life we
don't -but should- know about yet? <BG>
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