17mm socket on a 10mm bolt?

[micky]

I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
on a 10mm bolt?

SAE bolts aren't this confused.

[N8N]

makes sense to me. The wrench size is the distance across the flats,
the nominal size of the bolt is related to the size of the threads.
SAE works the exact same way. e.g. a 3/8-16 UNC bolt or cap screw
typically requires a 9/16" wrench to tighten.

The only exception that I'm aware of is Whitworth, although I'm sure
that someone will correct me with an even more obscure example.

nate

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:56:08 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

They certainly are. What size socket do you use on a 1/4" bolt? The
advantage of metric is you don't have 29/32 and other little used
sizes.

[micky]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:04:38 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njn...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 31, 4:56�pm, micky <NONONOmis...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
>> �M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. � So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>> on a 10mm bolt?
>>
>> SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>
>makes sense to me. The wrench size is the distance across the flats,
>the nominal size of the bolt is related to the size of the threads.
>SAE works the exact same way.

Maybe you're right. Maybe I didnt' notice because SAE bolts are the
right kind of bolts, and not these alien bolts they sent me today.
Why can't they protect our border better?

Thanks.

[Stormin Mormon]

What size wrench do you use for a 1/4-20 bolt?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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.


"micky" <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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[Stormin Mormon]

You're being conditioned to accept the new world order,
which will be kinged by the Antichrist. Who will bring death
and desruction and horror, plagues, and famines.

Glad you asked?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"micky" <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message

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[Stormin Mormon]

A friend of mine used to say "great minds think alike". Ed
wrote nearly the same thing. I figure sheep think alike,
great minds go off in new directions. Hey, look! A squirrel!
Behind the sofa!

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:j8n4b2$v4v$1...@dont-email.me...

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:35:43 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>You're being conditioned to accept the new world order,
>which will be kinged by the Antichrist. Who will bring death
>and desruction and horror, plagues, and famines.

...and even worse; the metric system!

>Glad you asked?

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

16mm?

[Stormin Mormon]

+ 1.0 !

(formerly + 16/16ths.)

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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[Stormin Mormon]

I had to buy 17 MM socket, and combination wrench to change
the wheel berring hubs on my last Blazer. No such wrench or
English sub to be found.

I think 10 MM is the one that should be called the
Goldilocks of nut sizes. 7/16 is TOO BIG, and 3/8 is TOO
SMALL. But 10 MM is ..... JUST RIGHT. Hmm. I think I'll
take a couple Tylenol (R) PM, and lay down.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message

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[Doug Miller]

What, do you think that a 1/2" diameter SAE bolt has a head with flats
that are 1/2" across?

Bzzzzzzzt. Thanks for playing, though.

[Tegger]

micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
news:qj2ua7p165dlsrk29...@4ax.com:

> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
> on a 10mm bolt?

There are two dimensions at work here:
1) the bolt shaft, and
2) the bolt head.

The "10mm" refers to the diameter of the /shaft/ of the bolt.

The "17mm" refers to the flat-to-flat dimension of /head/ of the bolt.



--
Tegger

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:28:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

Except for such oddball sizes as 9mm.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:04:38 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njn...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Whitworth AND BSF used thread size nomenclature for their wrenches
instead of AF size

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:01:06 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I had to buy 17 MM socket, and combination wrench to change
>the wheel berring hubs on my last Blazer. No such wrench or
>English sub to be found.
>
>I think 10 MM is the one that should be called the
>Goldilocks of nut sizes. 7/16 is TOO BIG, and 3/8 is TOO
>SMALL. But 10 MM is ..... JUST RIGHT. Hmm. I think I'll
>take a couple Tylenol (R) PM, and lay down.

11/16 is "close enough" to 17mm for most assemblies. A 17mm is just a
tad too small for an 11/16" nut.

[micky]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:32:08 -0400, Doug Miller
<doug_at_mi...@example.com> wrote:

>On 10/31/2011 4:56 PM, micky wrote:
>> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
>> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>> on a 10mm bolt?
>>
>> SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>
>What, do you think that a 1/2" diameter SAE bolt has a head with flats
>that are 1/2" across?

No, but I think it takes a 1/2" wrench.

[micky]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:28:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:56:08 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
>> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>>on a 10mm bolt?
>>
>>SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>
>
>They certainly are. What size socket do you use on a 1/4" bolt? The

1/4" No?

[micky]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:53:59 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <inv...@example.com>
wrote:

You're a Communist, aren't you. Your explanation sounds
reasonsable, just like one a Communist would use.

And you sound helpful, just like a Communiist would be, until you
trust him.

But I'm not going to fall for that.

Maybe you're a Socialist. Everything I said about Communists applies
to them too.

[micky]

Exactly.

Inches for defense, not one millymeter for tribute.

>>Glad you asked?

[Larry W]

And to think that there was consideration of official adoption of the
metric system back when Thomas Jefferson was President. How much simpler
things would be if the chang was done then, before industrialization. The
country was still in a rebellious mood when a national currency based on
the decimal system was adopted, but by Jefferson's time had already
turned conservative enough that a change to metric was defeated.


--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:44:30 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>

wrote:

>On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:28:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:56:08 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
>>> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>>>on a 10mm bolt?
>>>
>>>SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>>
>>
>>They certainly are. What size socket do you use on a 1/4" bolt? The
>
>1/4" No?
>

7/16"

[micky]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:48:18 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

I apologize. That answer was intended for someone else, who had said
when I turned 65, I'd be eligible for Social Security.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:45:29 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

Nope. Guess again. A 5/16 bolt uses a 1/2 inch wrench. A 3/8" bolt
takes a 9/16" wrench. A 7/16 bolt takes a 5/8" wrench, and a 1/2 inch
bolt takes an 11/16 inch wrench. 9/16 uses 3/4, just off the top of my
head.

The issue with METRIC is there are several "standards" Japanese (JAS?)
standard uses 10mm on 6mm bolts, 12mm on 8, and 14mm on 10 and 17mm on
10
American Metric uses 11mm on 6, 13mm on 8, 15mm on 10 and 18? on 10.

European stuff can be either, from what I remember.(ISO)

[aemeijers]

So how come my damn tin shed uses nuts and bolts that take an 11/32"
wrench? Which NONE of my several sets of sockets or nutdrivers or box
wrenches includes, and nobody in town sells onesies in oddball sizes?
(except maybe Sears, who wants an arm and a leg for onesies, to make up
for their deep-discount sets.)

--
aem sends...

[micky]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:02:38 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:44:30 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:28:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:56:08 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
>>>> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>>>>on a 10mm bolt?
>>>>
>>>>SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>>>
>>>
>>>They certainly are. What size socket do you use on a 1/4" bolt? The
>>
>>1/4" No?
>>
> 7/16"

I wonder if this is why my old car rattled.

[Doug Miller]

On 10/31/2011 8:44 PM, micky wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:28:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski<e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:56:08 -0400, micky<NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
>>> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>>> on a 10mm bolt?
>>>
>>> SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>>
>>
>> They certainly are. What size socket do you use on a 1/4" bolt? The
>
> 1/4" No?

Apparently you have very little, if any, experience with wrenches and bolts.

No.

[Doug Miller]

Which is exactly the same as having a head with flats that are 1/2" across.

It doesn't, by the way. The head is *always* larger than the diameter of
the bolt.

[Doug Miller]

On 10/31/2011 8:48 PM, micky wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:53:59 +0000 (UTC), Tegger<inv...@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> micky<NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
>> news:qj2ua7p165dlsrk29...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
>>> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>>> on a 10mm bolt?
>>
>>
>>
>> There are two dimensions at work here:
>> 1) the bolt shaft, and
>> 2) the bolt head.
>>
>> The "10mm" refers to the diameter of the /shaft/ of the bolt.
>>
>> The "17mm" refers to the flat-to-flat dimension of /head/ of the bolt.
>
> You're a Communist, aren't you. Your explanation sounds
> reasonsable, just like one a Communist would use.
>
> And you sound helpful, just like a Communiist would be, until you
> trust him.

And you sound like an idiot.

<plonk>

[Erik]

> So how come my damn tin shed uses nuts and bolts that take an 11/32"
> wrench? Which NONE of my several sets of sockets or nutdrivers or box
> wrenches includes, and nobody in town sells onesies in oddball sizes?
> (except maybe Sears, who wants an arm and a leg for onesies, to make up
> for their deep-discount sets.)

Ha! Check some other tool Mfgs, like Snap-On, Mac and all those, and
you'll find Craftsman is a pretty good deal.

So if you work with a lot of 11/32" stuff, go get a socket or two...
perhaps a 1/4" drive 6pt standard and deep (Being so small, I'm not so
sure they're even made in 3/8" drive). An 11/32" combination wrench,
and/or long box end that includes that size, and your set up for most
anything. They won't run you much, add them to your set, and with
minimal care will out last you and the shed many times over.

Even though the shed may require a lot of 11/32" stuff, all in all it's
really not a very common size nationwide. 1/4" and 5/16" by far surpass
it as the head size for smaller screw wrench sizes.

Erik

PS, All this 11/16" stuff is hex head right? If not, get 8pt sockets.
Last I looked, a couple of years ago now, Craftsman still carried them.

[Harry K]

On Oct 31, 2:31 pm, micky <NONONOmis...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:04:38 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njna...@hotmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 31, 4:56 pm, micky <NONONOmis...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> >> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
> >> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
> >> on a 10mm bolt?
>

> >> SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>

> >makes sense to me.  The wrench size is the distance across the flats,
> >the nominal size of the bolt is related to the size of the threads.
> >SAE works the exact same way.
>

> Maybe you're right.  Maybe I didnt' notice because SAE bolts are the
> right kind of bolts, and not these alien bolts they sent me today.
> Why can't they protect our border better?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>

> >  e.g. a 3/8-16 UNC bolt or cap screw
> >typically requires a 9/16" wrench to tighten.
>
> >The only exception that I'm aware of is Whitworth, although I'm sure
> >that someone will correct me with an even more obscure example.
>

> >nate- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You mean you are just NOW finding out there are metric bolts out
there? Amazing! Even more amazing is that you weren't aware that
inch bolt wrenches measure the same way.

Harry K

[Erik]

In article <j8njgh$dro$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

lwas...@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org (Larry W) wrote:

> And to think that there was consideration of official adoption of the
> metric system back when Thomas Jefferson was President. How much simpler
> things would be if the chang was done then, before industrialization. The
> country was still in a rebellious mood when a national currency based on
> the decimal system was adopted, but by Jefferson's time had already
> turned conservative enough that a change to metric was defeated.

The metric system, once acclimated to, is so much simpler and straight
forward that it isn't even funny. It makes it VERY easy to figure things
in your head.

My only trivial complaint is that the Celsius degree is a tad large for
some things... but I can easily deal with that.

Erik

[Harry K]

On Oct 31, 2:28 pm, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:56:08 -0400, micky <NONONOmis...@bigfoot.com>

> wrote:
>
> >I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
> > M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts.   So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
> >on a 10mm bolt?
>
> >SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>

> They certainly are.  What size socket do you use on a 1/4" bolt? The

> advantage of metric is you don't have 29/32 and other little used
> sizes.

True except for that _one last_ bolt that you need to remove to get
the part out and that will be the 29/32. that wrench was last used 15
years ago and has disappeared.

Harry K

[Steve Barker]

On 10/31/2011 2:04 PM, N8N wrote:

> On Oct 31, 4:56 pm, micky<NONONOmis...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
>> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>> on a 10mm bolt?
>>
>> SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>

> makes sense to me. The wrench size is the distance across the flats,
> the nominal size of the bolt is related to the size of the threads.

> SAE works the exact same way. e.g. a 3/8-16 UNC bolt or cap screw

> typically requires a 9/16" wrench to tighten.
>
> The only exception that I'm aware of is Whitworth, although I'm sure
> that someone will correct me with an even more obscure example.
>
> nate

Like why do 7/16" bolts have 5/8" heads and their nuts take a 11/16th ??

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

[aemeijers]

Metric bolts I can handle. What enrages me are mixed bolts. First
encountered those on a '71 Pinto (belonging to a young lady, natch) with
the german engine, but an american alternator. Metric bolts with SAE
heads. Arrgh! Done for assembly line ease, I'm sure, but try finding a
replacement in ANY head, with correct shoulder length.

--
aem sends...

[aemeijers]

That one is easy- so you don't have to buy two wrench sets, for those
applications where you have to use a box wrench for both ends.

--
aem sends....

[micky]

That's not it, but I do have a very bad memory for numbers. Even 5
seconds is enough time to forget them.
>
>No.

[micky]

I thought you'd have a sense of hurmor about this.

It was a very nice post. Thank you, Tegger.

[Tegger]

micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
news:nn6va7du46iplgfc4...@4ax.com:

>
> It was a very nice post. Thank you, Tegger.

You're welcome.

At first I thought someone had hijacked your nym and was making bogus
posts.

--
Tegger

[N8N]

Same reason that if you have a double-open-end wrench set, the wrench
with 5/8" on one end will likely not have 11/16" on the other - so
that for most common combinations of bolt and nut you will be able to
tighten the assembly with only one wrench set.

nate

[Joe]

On Oct 31, 9:22 pm, aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net> wrote:
> On 10/31/2011 10:08 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:45:29 -0400, micky<NONONOmis...@bigfoot.com>

> > wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:32:08 -0400, Doug Miller

> >> <doug_at_milmacdot...@example.com>  wrote:

Some of the SAE sized hardware from China is being manufactured from
metric hex stock in the case of nuts: I have some 1/4-20 nuts with 10
mm flats. Normally these would be 7/16" or 11 mm. The plating is
pretty good, though. And they were quite low priced.

Joe

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:22:37 -0400, aemeijers <aeme...@att.net>
wrote:

Standard size nut for #8-32 machine screw nut. Part of any decent
1/4" drive socket set or nutdriver set. Or you can always use a 4"
crescent wrench. Or like a friend of mine does - he drives them with
his little electric dril - 3 jaw chucks work great on hex nuts.

[vdubv...@hotmail.com]

I don't get how someone can't understand that why an M10 bolt doesn't use a 10mm wrench!!!
Did you ever saw a bolt that had a same size head as the shaft??? Ex:1/2" bolt (shaft) with a 1/2" head! Man I think you need to stop turning wrenches before you kill someone!

[Pavel314]

On Monday, October 31, 2011 5:35:43 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> You're being conditioned to accept the new world order,
>
> which will be kinged by the Antichrist. Who will bring death
>
> and desruction and horror, plagues, and famines.
>
>
>

> Glad you asked?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
>
> Learn more about Jesus
>
> www.lds.org
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> "micky" <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>
> news:vr4ua7dfr04mua078...@4ax.com...

>
>
>
>
>
> Maybe you're right. Maybe I didnt' notice because SAE bolts
>
> are the
>
> right kind of bolts, and not these alien bolts they sent me
>
> today.
>
> Why can't they protect our border better?
>
>
>
> Thanks.

A foot has 12 inches; Jesus had 12 disciples.

The Beast in Revelations has 10 horns; the metric system is based on 10.

Seems pretty obvious to me.

Paul

[Stormin Mormon]

On 3/6/2014 7:34 PM, vdubv...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I don't get how someone can't understand that why an M10 bolt doesn't use a 10mm wrench!!!
> Did you ever saw a bolt that had a same size head as the shaft??? Ex:1/2" bolt (shaft) with a 1/2" head! Man I think you need to stop turning wrenches before you kill someone!
>

Jut got home from driving on the parkway.

--
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

[Stormin Mormon]

On 3/6/2014 8:54 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2011 5:35:43 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> You're being conditioned to accept the new world order,
>> which will be kinged by the Antichrist. Who will bring death
>> and desruction and horror, plagues, and famines.
>>
>> Glad you asked?
>>
>

> A foot has 12 inches; Jesus had 12 disciples.
>
> The Beast in Revelations has 10 horns; the metric system is based on 10.
>
> Seems pretty obvious to me.
>
> Paul
>

Makes more sense than anything I've heard
recently. Good one.

[micky]

On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 21:05:20 -0500, Stormin Mormon
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/6/2014 8:54 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
>> On Monday, October 31, 2011 5:35:43 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:

What's going on. I actually started this thread in October of 2011, like
it says, when I got a 2000 Solara and was putting on a trailer hitch,
and it was about sizes, and eventually you said this

And now Paul's replying to it and you and I are still on the newsgroup.

Pluse there are two other new posts in this 30 month old thread.

[hah]

On 03/06/2014 08:04 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Jut got home from driving on the parkway.
>

Did you park in the driveway?

[sam E]

On 03/06/2014 07:54 PM, Pavel314 wrote:

> A foot has 12 inches; Jesus had 12 disciples.

Which makes perfect sense, as long as the disciples are inches and
that's the only kind of inches there are.

[Stormin Mormon]

I'm also not sure why the old posts pop up
again. Some things are too good to let die
a peaceful death?

Why do you center post?

[Stormin Mormon]

Have to be a foot away from the road,
or I get toed.

[Steve F.]

What if they all had twelve inches?

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/6/2014 9:04 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

> Jut got home from driving on the parkway.
>

[Steve F.]

Nah, he's moored at the carport.

[Stormin Mormon]

I'm in line at the pier.

[micky]

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:42:56 -0500, Stormin Mormon

I post each of my sentences after the sentence I'm replying to. So
readers know what I'm talking about (if possible).

Would you go to a debate where one guy asked 30 questions in 15 minutes
and then the other guy got up and gave 30 answers: like, "No, Yes, No,
That's impossible, Maybe, No, Twice, Yes...................."

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 16:19:51 -0500, Stormin Mormon
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/7/2014 3:42 PM, Steve F. wrote:
>> On 3/7/2014 1:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 3/6/2014 9:04 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jut got home from driving on the parkway.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did you park in the driveway?
>>
>> Nah, he's moored at the carport.
>
>I'm in line at the pier.

Don't forget to flush when you are done, and don't drip on the
floor!!!

[Stormin Mormon]

On 3/7/2014 4:26 PM, micky wrote:
>>
>> Why do you center post?
>
> I post each of my sentences after the sentence I'm replying to. So
> readers know what I'm talking about (if possible).
>
> Would you go to a debate where one guy asked 30 questions in 15 minutes
> and then the other guy got up and gave 30 answers: like, "No, Yes, No,
> That's impossible, Maybe, No, Twice, Yes...................."
>

I've heard (read) that called "inline" posting. I've
learned to either break with my initials, or in case of
one reply, delete the trailing text.

[Stormin Mormon]

On 3/7/2014 5:04 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>>> Jut got home from driving on the parkway.
>>>> Did you park in the driveway?
>>> Nah, he's moored at the carport.
>> I'm in line at the pier.
> Don't forget to flush when you are done,
> and don't drip on the
> floor!!!
>

Hey, I don't do potty humor. Urinal kind of
trouble, now.

[Oren]

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 00:07:10 -0500, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>
>Pluse there are two other new posts in this 30 month old thread.

Some times, answers take a long time.
--
Definition of a camel: A horse designed by a committee

[HerHusband]

Micky,

>> Why do you center post?

> I post each of my sentences after the sentence I'm replying to.
> So readers know what I'm talking about (if possible).
> Would you go to a debate where one guy asked 30 questions in 15
> minutes and then the other guy got up and gave 30 answers

I agree. The style is called "interleaved" or "inline" replying. I wish
more people did that.

I hate top posting messages where there's a one line reply like "yeah, I
agree", and I have to scroll down through a hundred quoted lines to see
what they're replying to.

Bottom posting is just as bad when I have to scroll through a bunch of
quoted lines just to see what the reply was.

If people are going to take the time to reply, please trim the message down
to only include the point you are replying to. If I want to know more about
the conversation, any decent newsreader will let me look back through
previous associated posts. The entire conversation doesn't need to be
quoted in every single post.

Be quick to listen, slow to speak...

Anthony Watson
www.mountainsoftware.com
www.watsondiy.com

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 16:45:33 +0000 (UTC), HerHusband
<unk...@unknown.com> wrote:


>
>I agree. The style is called "interleaved" or "inline" replying. I wish
>more people did that.

It has a place.

>
>I hate top posting messages where there's a one line reply like "yeah, I
>agree", and I have to scroll down through a hundred quoted lines to see
>what they're replying to.
>

Ignorance, mostly.

>Bottom posting is just as bad when I have to scroll through a bunch of
>quoted lines just to see what the reply was.

Many people don't take the time to snip. I no longer scroll through
long posts to get tot he bottom. Rarely is it worth the time.

[Andy Rand]

There are 12 beers in a 12 pack of beer
There are 10 commandments liek metric horns
Without Jesus Satan would be nothing.

[Tekkie®]

cl...@snyder.on.ca posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP

Pilots with short motor mounts taxi up close.

--
Tekkie

[awi...@nucortusk.com]

On Monday, October 31, 2011 at 3:56:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
> on a 10mm bolt?
>
> SAE bolts aren't this confused.

Wrench size is dependent on bolt strength or grade. For UNC bolts, wrench size is 1.5 times the bolt diameter. For example, 3/8-16 course thread bolt, grade 3 or 5 is =1.5*3/8 or =3/8 + 3/16 which equals a 9/16" wrench. For a 1" bolt, again grade 3 or 5, the wrench size is 1.5 times diameter or 1.5 times 1" which is a 1 1/2" wrench. For extra heavy nuts, or 2H nuts, add 1/8" to wrench size. For example, a 5/8" bolt with a 2H nut will require a wrench sized as follows: 1.5 times 5/8 or 15/16" plus 1/8" or a 1 1/16" wrench.
Metric bolts are somewhat the same, as wrench size is dependent on bolt strength.

[devnull]

On 08/25/2015 02:27 AM, awi...@nucortusk.com wrote:
>I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>on a 10mm bolt?
>
>SAE bolts aren't this confused.

A 10mm head on a 10mm diameter bolt would be useless in most situations, no?

[Dean Hoffman]

A 7/16 bolt is a bit odd. The bolt takes a 5/8 wrench while the
nut is 11/16. I think those are grade 5.


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[Jesus Kikey]

"Dean Hoffman" wrote in message news:op.x3xbjtks6w0fur@deans-air...

1 nut + 1 nut = nutz

[Doug Miller]

awi...@nucortusk.com wrote in news:0b408e22-a52d-414b-82cc-1416513f8306
@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, October 31, 2011 at 3:56:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
>> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
>> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
>> on a 10mm bolt?
>>
>> SAE bolts aren't this confused.
>

> Wrench size is dependent on bolt strength or grade. [...]

It isn't the bolts that are confused, it's micky. Bolt size is the bolt diameter, not the head size.
1/4" bolts have 7/16" heads, for example -- the head size is *always* larger than the shaft
diameter, else the head wouldn't be of much use, would it?

[notbob]

On 2015-08-25, Doug Miller <doug_at_mil...@example.com> wrote:

> 1/4" bolts have 7/16" heads, for example -- the head size is
> *always* larger than the shaft diameter, else the head wouldn't be
> of much use, would it?

It would if it were a set screw.

nb

[Doug Miller]

nutjob <not...@nothome.com> wrote in news:d43em2...@mid.individual.net:

But then it wouldn't be a bolt.

*Do* try to pay attention.

[Kenny]

On Monday, October 31, 2011 at 3:56:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
> I finally bought the trailer hitch for my Solara and it came with
> M10 -1.25 x 30mm bolts. So how come I need to use the 17mm socket
> on a 10mm bolt?
>
> SAE bolts aren't this confused.

That ain't nuthin'! Take a look at the way them stoopid plummers fucked up pipe sizes. OMFG!

[rbowman]

On 08/25/2015 05:59 PM, Kenny wrote:
>
>
> That ain't nuthin'! Take a look at the way them stoopid plummers fucked
> up pipe sizes. OMFG!

To say nothing of the sexual problems I get into with plumbing projects.
It would be better if the fittings were all bisexual and would mate with
anything.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 25 Aug 2015 23:34:35 +0000 (UTC), Doug

Well what about a set screw with a hex head no larger than the shaft. I
might even have seen one once, but if not, it could be made. ;-)

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 24 Aug 2015 18:27:42 -0700 (PDT),

awi...@nucortusk.com wrote:

>On Monday, October 31, 2011 at 3:56:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:

It's very rare that one of you guys who answer posts that are years old
will reply to someone who is still here. I saw this post on Monday but
wanted to see what the other replies would be.

Are you saying that head size is dependent on bolt strength, and thus
wrench size will be diffeent when head size is different?

[Jerr...@spamblocked.com]

Just keep your bisexual hands off my ballcock!

[Jerr...@spamblocked.com]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 07:27:19 -0500, "Dean Hoffman"
<dh0...@windstream.net> wrote:

> A 7/16 bolt is a bit odd. The bolt takes a 5/8 wrench while the
>nut is 11/16. I think those are grade 5.
>
>

7/16 is kind of an oddball bolt size. Small hardware stores dont even
stock them! They skip from 3/8 to 1/2. Yet I've had to buy 7/16 bolts
several times and had to shop around to find them.

[Uncle Monster]

Well the courts say queer unions are legal. Perhaps that could make connections easier? ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Pipe Monster

[Tekkie®]

micky posted for all of us...

Try it, it won't work. Draw a circle, put a hex inside it of the same
diameter. There will be no shoulder strength. Applying the hex head wrench
will twist off the "castle". May as well put a slot in and use a flat blade
screwdriver, they are made for light applications but one can put plenty of
torque on a screwdriver and mangle it. The reason hex heads are used because
one can get more clamping force without cam out.

--
Tekkie

[Tekkie®]

rbowman posted for all of us...

How could one identify the male/female parts? Take it the veterinarian

--
Tekkie

[Tekkie®]

rbowman posted for all of us...


>

Hit send too fast.. Lot of heing and sheing going on in this.

--
Tekkie

[Tekkie®]

Uncle Monster posted for all of us...

As long as they pay their dues.

--
Tekkie

[Tekkie®]

micky posted for all of us...

Instead of asking here DAGS and learn something and don't be critical of
people trying to help you.

--
Tekkie

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:47:08 -0400, Tekkie®

He made the statement. It won't hurt him to say what he meant by it.

>and learn something and don't be critical of
>people trying to help you.

What was critical?

[notbob]

On 2015-08-25, Doug Miller <doug_at_mil...@example.com> wrote:

> notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote in news:d43em2...@mid.individual.net:

Whether or not it's a bolt was never the issue. You sed "else the head
wouldn't be of much use, would it?" Never mind..........

[Doug Miller]

nutjob <not...@nothome.com> wrote in news:d46qg8...@mid.individual.net:

> On 2015-08-25, Doug Miller <doug_at_mil...@example.com> wrote:
>

>> nutjob <not...@nothome.com> wrote in news:d43em2...@mid.individual.net:

>
>>> On 2015-08-25, Doug Miller <doug_at_mil...@example.com> wrote:
>
>>>> 1/4" bolts have 7/16" heads, for example -- the head size is
>>>> *always* larger than the shaft diameter, else the head wouldn't be
>>>> of much use, would it?
>
>>> It would if it were a set screw.
>
>> But then it wouldn't be a bolt.
>
> Whether or not it's a bolt was never the issue.

Really? Maybe you ought to check the title of the thread. The subject is bolts. Not set
screws.

*Do* try to pay attention next time.

[rbowman]

On 08/26/2015 02:35 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
> How could one identify the male/female parts? Take it the veterinarian

Like a guinea pig? When I was a kid I had a male and bought an alleged
female. I had visions of litters of guinea pigs to sell. After a fwe
months I concluded they were gay little piggies.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 18:27:42 -0700 (PDT), awi...@nucortusk.com wrote:

Not necessarily true. Metric bolt head size differs depending on the
standard - JIS, DIN,ISO or ANSI/ ISO or DIN/ISO.
A 10mm DIN uses 17mm, while ISO uses 16 and JIS uses 14mm. That's why
tool kits for European, Japanese, and American vehicles etc contain
different assortments of wrenches.
Only JIS (Japanese standard) uses 12mm and only DIN specific sets have
an 11mm (used on DIN 7mm bolts - no other standard even HAS a 7mm
bolt) Same for a 27mm wrench and 18mm bolt.

American vehicles tend to use DIN/ISO, so 11mm (same as 7/16) is
included in american sets for use on some 6mm bolts ---

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Not "always" - 12 point heads on "header bolts" and some cyl head
bolts can be the same size as the bolt thread diameter - but they are
"flanged" bolts. Some old "plough bolts" also used a square heas the
same size across flats as the thread size.