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How long does it take hazard lights to kill a vehicle's battery?
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DerbyDad03
Nov 20, 2013, 8:17:25 PM11/20/13
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The vehicle in question is this one:
http://www.halshydraulics.com/sites/halshydraulics.com/files/bulldozer03.jpg
Last night I came home from work around 5 PM and noticed that one of the
two Cats they're using for the gas main project in my neighborhood had its
hazard lights flashing. I tried the crew chief's cell phone, but it's his
work cell, and I guess he doesn't answer it after hours. I knew from
previous conversations that they are done at 3:30.
Later, around 9:30, when SWMBO and I were walking the dogs, we walked past
the Cat and I decided to try the door. It wasn't locked, so I climbed in
and turned the hazard lights off. The best I can guess is that they were on
for about 6 hours.
When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
hazard lights on?
http://www.halshydraulics.com/sites/halshydraulics.com/files/bulldozer03.jpg
Last night I came home from work around 5 PM and noticed that one of the
two Cats they're using for the gas main project in my neighborhood had its
hazard lights flashing. I tried the crew chief's cell phone, but it's his
work cell, and I guess he doesn't answer it after hours. I knew from
previous conversations that they are done at 3:30.
Later, around 9:30, when SWMBO and I were walking the dogs, we walked past
the Cat and I decided to try the door. It wasn't locked, so I climbed in
and turned the hazard lights off. The best I can guess is that they were on
for about 6 hours.
When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
hazard lights on?
Stormin Mormon
Nov 20, 2013, 8:47:01 PM11/20/13
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the flashers on, about 7 or 8 in the evening. The
next morning, it was stone cold dead. I believe your
kindness saved them a dead battery. And very often
a starting battery completely discharged never comes
back to life truly. So, you may have saved them from
having to replace the battery next week. You are a
good neighbor.
--
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Nightcrawler®
Nov 20, 2013, 9:35:13 PM11/20/13
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:lCdju.219570$9P6....@fx22.iad...
things have two batteries. I believe that they are designed with long
standby while not having the engine running and having full lights
on. Emergency flashers really do not pull that much. The small batteries
in cars are their primary liability.
DerbyDad03
Nov 20, 2013, 9:55:00 PM11/20/13
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big kid gets to do very often.
Erik
Nov 20, 2013, 9:57:52 PM11/20/13
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draw, what percentage of the time are they on while flashing, charge on
the feed battery at the beginning, condition of the feed battery at the
beginning, battery temperature and likely others...
Erik
Tony Hwang
Nov 20, 2013, 11:00:10 PM11/20/13
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If it were LED fhlasher, it'd last longer.
nestork
Nov 21, 2013, 2:29:54 AM11/21/13
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Nightcrawler®;3152562 Wrote:
>
> Not to discount the good Samaritan aspect of what was done, but those
> things have two batteries. I believe that they are designed with long
> standby while not having the engine running and having full lights
> on. Emergency flashers really do not pull that much. The small
> batteries
> in cars are their primary liability.
I was in my local battery shop when someone brought in a huge battery;
much larger than a car battery. Just out of interest I asked what it
was out of, and I was told it was from a Caterpiller Grader. They use
those a lot here in Winnipeg for clearing snow. The guy told me that
the grader doesn't just have one of those, but two of them. And, the
reason why they have two batteries is because they're often left at
construction sites overnight in the winter where there's no electricity
available for a block heater. So, they need both batteries to provide
the power needed to start their cold engines in the morning.
In fact, my understanding is that in Northern Ontario, they will often
collect wood and start a fire under the engine of the graders and
bulldozers to warm up the oil in the oil pan in order to start their
engines in the mornings in winter. I've never personally seen that
being done; I just heard that it is done.
--
nestork
Caulki...@work.com
Nov 21, 2013, 5:16:08 AM11/21/13
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of bulb in flasher, and so on. If they are LED they can go for days on
even a small battery.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 21, 2013, 7:21:38 AM11/21/13
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On 11/20/2013 9:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>
> Nah...I just wanted to climb into the
> cab of a Cat! It's not something this
> big kid gets to do very often.
>
I can understand that. I've talked to guys, and
>
>
> Nah...I just wanted to climb into the
> cab of a Cat! It's not something this
> big kid gets to do very often.
>
they say it takes ten minutes to learn how to use
such a machine. And ten years to get good.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 21, 2013, 7:22:17 AM11/21/13
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On 11/20/2013 9:57 PM, Erik wrote:
>
> There are a ton of variables as well... how much amperage do the lights
> draw, what percentage of the time are they on while flashing, charge on
> the feed battery at the beginning, condition of the feed battery at the
> beginning, battery temperature and likely others...
>
> Erik
And if the flashers are LED or incandescent.
>
> There are a ton of variables as well... how much amperage do the lights
> draw, what percentage of the time are they on while flashing, charge on
> the feed battery at the beginning, condition of the feed battery at the
> beginning, battery temperature and likely others...
>
> Erik
Fat-Dumb and Happy
Nov 21, 2013, 7:32:52 AM11/21/13
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The good old days, we didn't need no stinken hazard lights, we had
stinken road flares.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Road-Flares-Round-/171176450377
stinken road flares.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Road-Flares-Round-/171176450377
Percival P. Cassidy
Nov 21, 2013, 8:35:52 AM11/21/13
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the kerosene lamps I remember from my youth, I'm sure.
Perce
bob haller
Nov 21, 2013, 8:52:22 AM11/21/13
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LED bulbs draw much less current so battery would last longer
the batterys age makes a big difference too.
my 3 year old van battery died recently after the radio played for 2 to 3 hours.
i was cleaning and reorganizing my van.
I have a boost charger so it was no big deal, but it told me its time to replace the battery....
mine shouldnt of died so quickly, since i do the clean up the work van several times a year
the batterys age makes a big difference too.
my 3 year old van battery died recently after the radio played for 2 to 3 hours.
i was cleaning and reorganizing my van.
I have a boost charger so it was no big deal, but it told me its time to replace the battery....
mine shouldnt of died so quickly, since i do the clean up the work van several times a year
TimR
Nov 21, 2013, 11:50:48 AM11/21/13
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On Thursday, November 21, 2013 2:29:54 AM UTC-5, nestork wrote:
> In fact, my understanding is that in Northern Ontario, they will often
>
> collect wood and start a fire under the engine of the graders and
>
> bulldozers to warm up the oil in the oil pan in order to start their
>
> engines in the mornings in winter. I've never personally seen that
>
> being done; I just heard that it is done.
Many years ago I worked in northern Wisconsin. One of my coworkers would arrive, start the oil draining while he disconnected his battery, and bring both inside the building. He was so skilled at these tasks they hardly added any time to his commute.
> In fact, my understanding is that in Northern Ontario, they will often
>
> collect wood and start a fire under the engine of the graders and
>
> bulldozers to warm up the oil in the oil pan in order to start their
>
> engines in the mornings in winter. I've never personally seen that
>
> being done; I just heard that it is done.
At the end of the shift he'd pour the warm oil back in, reconnect the warm battery, and start his car. Then often he'd jump the rest of us before he went home himself.
That's no longer necessary with the improvements in cars.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 21, 2013, 1:59:29 PM11/21/13
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On 11/21/2013 11:50 AM, TimR wrote:
>
> Many years ago I worked in northern Wisconsin.
One of my coworkers would arrive, start the oil
draining while he disconnected his battery, and
bring both inside the building. He was so skilled
at these tasks they hardly added any time to his commute.
>
> At the end of the shift he'd pour the warm oil
back in, reconnect the warm battery, and start
his car. Then often he'd jump the rest of us
before he went home himself.
>
> That's no longer necessary with the improve-
>
> Many years ago I worked in northern Wisconsin.
One of my coworkers would arrive, start the oil
draining while he disconnected his battery, and
bring both inside the building. He was so skilled
at these tasks they hardly added any time to his commute.
>
> At the end of the shift he'd pour the warm oil
back in, reconnect the warm battery, and start
his car. Then often he'd jump the rest of us
before he went home himself.
>
ments in cars.
>
Sounds like a bit of extra work. But, it did
manage to get his car started when others would
not.
Robert Green
Nov 21, 2013, 4:06:01 PM11/21/13
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"nestork" <nestork...@diybanter.com> wrote in message
<stuff snipped>
> In fact, my understanding is that in Northern Ontario, they will often
> collect wood and start a fire under the engine of the graders and
> bulldozers to warm up the oil in the oil pan in order to start their
> engines in the mornings in winter. I've never personally seen that
> being done; I just heard that it is done.
I've seen film on NatGeo of Siberians doing something like that to keep
their trucks going. Looks a little dangerous. They don't actually light a
fire, but use a metal box filled with glowing coals (charcoal?) that has a
long handle attached. They position the box under the oil pan and replenish
the coals when required. An open flame is likely to burn cables and rubber
hoses, I would think.
German tank drivers did the same thing with their Panzers during the
invasion of Russia in WWII but the russkie's famous "General Winter" still
defeated the Nazis. The Germans were so low on fuel they couldn't keep the
engines idling all the time, which was another way to keep the engines from
getting so cold they couldn't be restarted.
Panther and Tiger tanks were plagued by constant mechanical failures that
many believe were the result of sabotage during their manufacture by the
slave and foreign laborers the Germans forced to build them. I recall
reading that more Panzers were lost to mechanical failure than enemy action.
--
Bobby G.
<stuff snipped>
> In fact, my understanding is that in Northern Ontario, they will often
> collect wood and start a fire under the engine of the graders and
> bulldozers to warm up the oil in the oil pan in order to start their
> engines in the mornings in winter. I've never personally seen that
> being done; I just heard that it is done.
their trucks going. Looks a little dangerous. They don't actually light a
fire, but use a metal box filled with glowing coals (charcoal?) that has a
long handle attached. They position the box under the oil pan and replenish
the coals when required. An open flame is likely to burn cables and rubber
hoses, I would think.
German tank drivers did the same thing with their Panzers during the
invasion of Russia in WWII but the russkie's famous "General Winter" still
defeated the Nazis. The Germans were so low on fuel they couldn't keep the
engines idling all the time, which was another way to keep the engines from
getting so cold they couldn't be restarted.
Panther and Tiger tanks were plagued by constant mechanical failures that
many believe were the result of sabotage during their manufacture by the
slave and foreign laborers the Germans forced to build them. I recall
reading that more Panzers were lost to mechanical failure than enemy action.
--
Bobby G.
Larry W
Nov 21, 2013, 4:39:54 PM11/21/13
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In article <1936436416406686168.548...@nntp.aioe.org>,
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>.... The best I can guess is that they were on
some construction equipment and heavy trucks have more than one) but
any automotive or heavy equipment battery in good condition could easily
run typical hazard lights for 6 hours. I've known of instances where
they ran 14-15 hours, and certainly even periods are possible.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>.... The best I can guess is that they were on
>for about 6 hours.
>
>When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
>jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
>
>Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
>hazard lights on?
Of course it would depend on the condition of the battery (or batteries,
>
>When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
>jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
>
>Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
>hazard lights on?
some construction equipment and heavy trucks have more than one) but
any automotive or heavy equipment battery in good condition could easily
run typical hazard lights for 6 hours. I've known of instances where
they ran 14-15 hours, and certainly even periods are possible.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
Robert Green
Nov 21, 2013, 5:39:21 PM11/21/13
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"DerbyDad03" <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in message
Any chance they had left the flashers on deliberately to alert motorists to
their presence in the roadway? Playing Advil's devocate here . . . (-:
I've seen that done before - leaving hazard lights flashing - when the
equipment takes up a lot of road space and is being left overnight.
I much more impressed that you have the crew chief's cell phone number.
You're a "total immersion" sort of guy. <g> Now the important question is
whether you call him during the day to find out whether you were a hero or
not. You've made me curious. I always vote for hero but I even wonder
whether you legally had a right to touch that equipment, even as a good
samaritan.
It's a tough call. I am not sure I would have done it but I would agree
there's a presumption it was accidental because both weren't flashing and
any flashing lights would have to have been turned on during daylight,
perhaps accidentally, and might not be noticed by a crew departing at
3:30PM.
There's always more than one possible explanation. The driver might have
been trying to get his boss to buy a new battery so he was deliberately
killing this one before the real cold sets in and it could be a big hassle
(that's for Clare - now I *am* grasping at straws, but for comedic effect).
So we have several questions for you to ask the crew chief:
Were they on by design/law/insurance requirement or on by accident?
Were they LED lights (you should be able to answer, flashing LEDs are very
stroboscopic - not so with incandescent hazard lights. I would bet they are
LEDs nowadays because they're on hazardous equipment and the extended run
time - thus avoiding a dead battery if they're lit for too long - is a
*real* benefit.
Third question is how long those batteries last in such situations?
Fourth question - should you have entered the cab (his perspective)?
A topic for another thread might be whether replacing the tungsten bulbs in
my old van with LEDs would preserve a significant amount of battery life in
an emergency. I am not even sure that LEDs are legal substitutes for hazard
bulbs or worse that they interact badly with the flasher electronics in this
rather elderly (over 10 years) car and cause them to fail.
It might be better and smarter to retrofit a completely secondard LED based
hazard light system, placing LED's inside the van's copious head and tail
light lenses and wiring them back to a 12V gel cell and flash controller.
I recently saw a car with an amber turn signal LED on the outboard edge of
the passenger side mirror. What a great idea. I might want that retrofit,
too. The turn signals embedded inside the aforementioned lenses aren't
anywhere near as visible as the tiny little outboard amber LED on the
mirror. See what you've started wandering around in the dark, Derby? (-:
Speaking of calling you Derby I have to protest that I'm seeing TV news
shows put up statements from totally made up names during "here's the buzz
on the internet" segments they seem to be doing more often. Probably
letting callers rant is about the cheapest form of programming available and
station owners just love it. Just lamenting the state of modern journalism.
When I watch the news and it tells me "ChickenMan23" said X about Y I wonder
if end is nigh.
More straws. The driver is at this moment making a phony insurance claim
for something he says was stolen from the Cat last night and the police are
dusting for your fingerprints on the cab door right now. Your neighbor has
already told police he saw you climbing on the equipment in the dark with
two accomplices standing by.
(Sorry, I couldn't resist after the thread's beginning where it was posited
that these men were out to rob you!)
Are you sure they didn't leave radio-controlled canisters of fentanyl sleep
gas so that they could invade your home, knock you out by remote control and
steal all your worldly possesions even if you were armed? Better start
sleeping with a gas mask, just so S feels safe about your reckless decision
to let them in your house. Dangerous Derby Dad, always living on the edge.
(0-:
--
Bobby G.
their presence in the roadway? Playing Advil's devocate here . . . (-:
I've seen that done before - leaving hazard lights flashing - when the
equipment takes up a lot of road space and is being left overnight.
I much more impressed that you have the crew chief's cell phone number.
You're a "total immersion" sort of guy. <g> Now the important question is
whether you call him during the day to find out whether you were a hero or
not. You've made me curious. I always vote for hero but I even wonder
whether you legally had a right to touch that equipment, even as a good
samaritan.
It's a tough call. I am not sure I would have done it but I would agree
there's a presumption it was accidental because both weren't flashing and
any flashing lights would have to have been turned on during daylight,
perhaps accidentally, and might not be noticed by a crew departing at
3:30PM.
There's always more than one possible explanation. The driver might have
been trying to get his boss to buy a new battery so he was deliberately
killing this one before the real cold sets in and it could be a big hassle
(that's for Clare - now I *am* grasping at straws, but for comedic effect).
So we have several questions for you to ask the crew chief:
Were they on by design/law/insurance requirement or on by accident?
Were they LED lights (you should be able to answer, flashing LEDs are very
stroboscopic - not so with incandescent hazard lights. I would bet they are
LEDs nowadays because they're on hazardous equipment and the extended run
time - thus avoiding a dead battery if they're lit for too long - is a
*real* benefit.
Third question is how long those batteries last in such situations?
Fourth question - should you have entered the cab (his perspective)?
A topic for another thread might be whether replacing the tungsten bulbs in
my old van with LEDs would preserve a significant amount of battery life in
an emergency. I am not even sure that LEDs are legal substitutes for hazard
bulbs or worse that they interact badly with the flasher electronics in this
rather elderly (over 10 years) car and cause them to fail.
It might be better and smarter to retrofit a completely secondard LED based
hazard light system, placing LED's inside the van's copious head and tail
light lenses and wiring them back to a 12V gel cell and flash controller.
I recently saw a car with an amber turn signal LED on the outboard edge of
the passenger side mirror. What a great idea. I might want that retrofit,
too. The turn signals embedded inside the aforementioned lenses aren't
anywhere near as visible as the tiny little outboard amber LED on the
mirror. See what you've started wandering around in the dark, Derby? (-:
Speaking of calling you Derby I have to protest that I'm seeing TV news
shows put up statements from totally made up names during "here's the buzz
on the internet" segments they seem to be doing more often. Probably
letting callers rant is about the cheapest form of programming available and
station owners just love it. Just lamenting the state of modern journalism.
When I watch the news and it tells me "ChickenMan23" said X about Y I wonder
if end is nigh.
More straws. The driver is at this moment making a phony insurance claim
for something he says was stolen from the Cat last night and the police are
dusting for your fingerprints on the cab door right now. Your neighbor has
already told police he saw you climbing on the equipment in the dark with
two accomplices standing by.
(Sorry, I couldn't resist after the thread's beginning where it was posited
that these men were out to rob you!)
Are you sure they didn't leave radio-controlled canisters of fentanyl sleep
gas so that they could invade your home, knock you out by remote control and
steal all your worldly possesions even if you were armed? Better start
sleeping with a gas mask, just so S feels safe about your reckless decision
to let them in your house. Dangerous Derby Dad, always living on the edge.
(0-:
--
Bobby G.
Robert Green
Nov 21, 2013, 5:44:53 PM11/21/13
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Re: How long does it take hazard lights to kill a vehicle's battery?
This made me think of "Blade Runner" where Deckard is asked by the Replicant
Leon:
"How long do I live?"
Deckard replies:
"4 years" and the Replicant says
"Longer than YOU!" and proceeds to try punching his lights out.
One of the greatest lines in all Sci Fi movie history.
--
Bobby G.
This made me think of "Blade Runner" where Deckard is asked by the Replicant
Leon:
"How long do I live?"
Deckard replies:
"4 years" and the Replicant says
"Longer than YOU!" and proceeds to try punching his lights out.
One of the greatest lines in all Sci Fi movie history.
--
Bobby G.
notbob
Nov 21, 2013, 6:31:09 PM11/21/13
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On 2013-11-21, DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
> hazard lights on?
Depends on too many variables. How old the battery, how big, how many
> Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
> hazard lights on?
haz lights, what kinda bulbs, etc. My '91 toyota p/u's fairly new
battery will go stone dead with haz lights flashing, overnight. All
my bulbs are incandescents.
nb
willshak
Nov 21, 2013, 6:45:41 PM11/21/13
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have the hazard lights on overnight.
If the battery died during the night and someone ran into the Cat, it
would be their fault. If you turned off the lights, it would be your fault.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @
k...@attt.bizz
Nov 21, 2013, 7:46:49 PM11/21/13
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:52:22 -0800 (PST), bob haller <hal...@aol.com>
wrote:
Modern car radios can take a surprising amount of juice. My vehicles
don't even have an "accessory" ignition position. There is no way to
play the radio with the engine off, once the door opens. But, yes, if
it killed your battery in 2 or 3 hours, the battery was past due for
replacement.
wrote:
don't even have an "accessory" ignition position. There is no way to
play the radio with the engine off, once the door opens. But, yes, if
it killed your battery in 2 or 3 hours, the battery was past due for
replacement.
DerbyDad03
Nov 21, 2013, 8:51:42 PM11/21/13
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"Robert Green" <robert_g...@yah00.com> wrote:
> "DerbyDad03" <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in message
>
>> The vehicle in question is this one:
>>
>>
> http://www.halshydraulics.com/sites/halshydraulics.com/files/bulldozer03.jpg
>>
>> Last night I came home from work around 5 PM and noticed that one of the
>> two Cats they're using for the gas main project in my neighborhood had its
>> hazard lights flashing. I tried the crew chief's cell phone, but it's his
>> work cell, and I guess he doesn't answer it after hours. I knew from
>> previous conversations that they are done at 3:30.
>>
>> Later, around 9:30, when SWMBO and I were walking the dogs, we walked past
>> the Cat and I decided to try the door. It wasn't locked, so I climbed in
>> and turned the hazard lights off. The best I can guess is that they were
> on
>> for about 6 hours.
>>
>> When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
>> jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
>
> Any chance they had left the flashers on deliberately to alert motorists to
> their presence in the roadway? Playing Advil's devocate here . . . (-:
> I've seen that done before - leaving hazard lights flashing - when the
> equipment takes up a lot of road space and is being left overnight.
The machines have been parked in the exact same location every night for
> "DerbyDad03" <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in message
>
>> The vehicle in question is this one:
>>
>>
> http://www.halshydraulics.com/sites/halshydraulics.com/files/bulldozer03.jpg
>>
>> Last night I came home from work around 5 PM and noticed that one of the
>> two Cats they're using for the gas main project in my neighborhood had its
>> hazard lights flashing. I tried the crew chief's cell phone, but it's his
>> work cell, and I guess he doesn't answer it after hours. I knew from
>> previous conversations that they are done at 3:30.
>>
>> Later, around 9:30, when SWMBO and I were walking the dogs, we walked past
>> the Cat and I decided to try the door. It wasn't locked, so I climbed in
>> and turned the hazard lights off. The best I can guess is that they were
> on
>> for about 6 hours.
>>
>> When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
>> jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
>
> Any chance they had left the flashers on deliberately to alert motorists to
> their presence in the roadway? Playing Advil's devocate here . . . (-:
> I've seen that done before - leaving hazard lights flashing - when the
> equipment takes up a lot of road space and is being left overnight.
close to 3 weeks now. They are off the road on a flat section of land along
side the wooded hill that overlooks the bay. This was the first time they
flashers were on.
It's interesting how they park the vehicles. They have been using 3 pieces
of equipment for the gas main project. A small Cat excavator, a larger Cat
with a dozer bucket and excavator bucket and some kind of a compressor
device that they tow around. Each night they position the trailer tightly
between the 2 Cats so it can't be moved back or forth. They place the
excavator bucket of the smaller cat on the street side of the compressor so
it can't be swung towards the street. There's no sense in swinging it away
from the street because it's too close to the wooded hill so you could
never get it out that way. Finally, they put the excavator bucket from the
>
> I much more impressed that you have the crew chief's cell phone number.
> You're a "total immersion" sort of guy. <g>
>
up my service. It seems like they have no real plan for the individual
services part of the project. Last Friday they were working down the block
when I came out to go to work. They waved me down and asked when they could
hook up my house. "It'll only take a couple of hours, we could do it
today." I told them I had to check my schedule at work. He gave me his
number so I could call and set it up a time. I called and and asked for a
Monday morning appt and they said fine. Seems like they have no pattern,
they're just hooking up services whenever the homeowner is available. Maybe
as the project winds down they'll have to be more organized, but as long as
they can do 2 or 3 houses a day, I guess it doesn't matter which house they
do when.
> Now the important question is
> whether you call him during the day to find out whether you were a hero or
> not.
the next day and I don't plan to call him.
> You've made me curious. I always vote for hero but I even wonder
> whether you legally had a right to touch that equipment, even as a good
> samaritan.
that if I had done something wrong, like started it up and crushed the
compressor or drove the Cat over the hill, my phone would have been ringing
real early that morning.
> It's a tough call. I am not sure I would have done it but I would agree
> there's a presumption it was accidental because both weren't flashing and
> any flashing lights would have to have been turned on during daylight,
> perhaps accidentally, and might not be noticed by a crew departing at
> 3:30PM.
>
> There's always more than one possible explanation. The driver might have
> been trying to get his boss to buy a new battery so he was deliberately
> killing this one before the real cold sets in and it could be a big hassle
> (that's for Clare - now I *am* grasping at straws, but for comedic effect).
>
> So we have several questions for you to ask the crew chief:
that were piled up inside the cab. Turned them all in for the nickel
deposit. My wife will deny the accomplices claim.
>
> (Sorry, I couldn't resist after the thread's beginning where it was posited
> that these men were out to rob you!)
>
> Are you sure they didn't leave radio-controlled canisters of fentanyl sleep
> gas so that they could invade your home, knock you out by remote control and
> steal all your worldly possesions even if you were armed? Better start
> sleeping with a gas mask, just so S feels safe about your reckless decision
> to let them in your house. Dangerous Derby Dad, always living on the edge.
> (0-:
>
houses and then get us all on the same day.
> --
> Bobby G.
DerbyDad03
Nov 21, 2013, 9:07:19 PM11/21/13
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night was the only night the flashers were on. They haven't been on for the
last 2 nights.
I guess someone could run into the machines since they are right near the
road, but drivers could also fall into ditches protected only by that
orange hazard fence or run into one of the many dirt or gravel piles that
are only marked by cones.
Heck for that matter, drivers could just drive off the road and roll down
the hill into the bay. There's no protection from that.
Nightcrawler®
Nov 21, 2013, 9:15:31 PM11/21/13
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get the vehicle/equipment inside.
nestork
Nov 21, 2013, 10:31:59 PM11/21/13
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Nightcrawler�;3153115 Wrote:
>
> Some places up there they never turn off their engines unless they can
> get the vehicle/equipment inside.
>
the driver is sleeping, but often that's because the engine is operating
the heating or air conditioning system in the sleeper behind the cab.
So, the truck is locked and the driver is right on site, albeit fast
asleep.
But, I'd say it's kinda pushing your luck to leave heavy equipment
idling and unattended all night long, even in the bush. Those big
diesel engines make a lot of noise, and out in the bush where you don't
have any other noise, sound carries for miles. The sound of a
continuously idling diesel engine is going to attract the attention of
people inclined to steal equipment like that. It might still be there
in the morning, but if you make a habit of leaving it idling and
unattended at night, it's not going to be there in the morning for very
long.
--
nestork
Nightcrawler®
Nov 21, 2013, 11:47:26 PM11/21/13
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that require an APU to fire up. I cannot fathom trying to fire up
an engine that was left overnight in sub-zero temps. I hear that any
equipment left for an amount of time out there needs to be towed and
heated up before they can be re-started.
Down here in the states some of the small internal combustion gen-sets
have heaters in their filter housings (1.5ft dia x 4.5ft) and circulate
the oil until a block temperature switch enables the start sequence.
They all have a pre-lube cycle, anyway, this is just another level of
protection in the event the grid kicks the plant offline for an extended
period of time, or if there is a step-up transformer/re-closure problem.
nestork
Nov 22, 2013, 2:00:51 AM11/22/13
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Nightcrawler�;3153141 Wrote:
>
> I imagine that the heavy equipment has some heavy duty engine heaters
> that require an APU to fire up. I cannot fathom trying to fire up
> an engine that was left overnight in sub-zero temps. I hear that any
> equipment left for an amount of time out there needs to be towed and
> heated up before they can be re-started.
>
that'd be the way to go, but often the equipment can't really be moved.
For example, the diesel engines in a mining drag line or oil drilling
rig. You can't move the diesel engine in an oil drilling rig without
moving the rig, and it takes several days to set up the rig and take it
down. Having to do all that just because an engine won't start isn't
economic when you have to pay the crew a daily wage even when they're
not working.
In those cases, there are still ways to start cold diesel engines. I've
seen one case where you can set up quick connect fittings (like the kind
on compressed air lines) on the engine of a pick up truck and the engine
of a bull dozer (for example). You connect the pick-up truck's engine
to the bulldozer engine with hoses so that hot engine oil from the pick
up truck's engine flows through the engine of the bulldozer. After a
while, all of the oil in both engines is hot, and the bulldozer will be
much easier to start.
On really large diesel engines, like the diesel engine in a locomotive,
they will typically use an electrically powered coolant preheater. The
coolant preheater is entirely electric and both heats and pumps hot
coolant through the diesel engines's water jacket, thereby warming up
the entire engine. If the engine can't be brought to the preheater, the
preheater can be brought to the engine, but in that case you also need
to take along a gasoline powered generator to provide the electrical
power the preheater needs.
'Machinery-Heavy Equipment Engine Heating Products | HOTSTART'
(http://tinyurl.com/o64xtkh)
--
nestork
Robert Green
Nov 22, 2013, 3:13:21 AM11/22/13
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> "Robert Green" <robert_g...@yah00.com> wrote:
<stuff snipped>
> > Any chance they had left the flashers on deliberately to alert motorists
to
> > their presence in the roadway? Playing Advil's devocate here . . . (-:
> > I've seen that done before - leaving hazard lights flashing - when the
> > equipment takes up a lot of road space and is being left overnight.
>
> The machines have been parked in the exact same location every night for
> close to 3 weeks now. They are off the road on a flat section of land
along
> side the wooded hill that overlooks the bay. This was the first time they
> flashers were on.
> It's interesting how they park the vehicles. They have been using 3 pieces
> of equipment for the gas main project. A small Cat excavator, a larger Cat
> with a dozer bucket and excavator bucket and some kind of a compressor
> device that they tow around. Each night they position the trailer tightly
> between the 2 Cats so it can't be moved back or forth. They place the
> excavator bucket of the smaller cat on the street side of the compressor
so
> it can't be swung towards the street. There's no sense in swinging it away
> from the street because it's too close to the wooded hill so you could
> never get it out that way. Finally, they put the excavator bucket from the
will often see a small compressor or generator unit left hanging in the air
from a crane to keep them from "sleepwalking" if you know what I mean. (-:
> > I much more impressed that you have the crew chief's cell phone number.
> > You're a "total immersion" sort of guy. <g>
> >
>
> He gave me his number so that I could set the appointment to have them
hook
> up my service. It seems like they have no real plan for the individual
> services part of the project. Last Friday they were working down the block
> when I came out to go to work. They waved me down and asked when they
could
> hook up my house. "It'll only take a couple of hours, we could do it
> today." I told them I had to check my schedule at work. He gave me his
> number so I could call and set it up a time. I called and and asked for a
> Monday morning appt and they said fine. Seems like they have no pattern,
> they're just hooking up services whenever the homeowner is available.
Maybe
> as the project winds down they'll have to be more organized, but as long
as
> they can do 2 or 3 houses a day, I guess it doesn't matter which house
they
> do when.
which makes sense when you consider all the variables in dealing with
homeowners during the workday.
> > Now the important question is
> > whether you call him during the day to find out whether you were a hero
or
> > not.
>
> I left him my number when I called about the lights. He didn't call me
back
> the next day and I don't plan to call him.
you really did do a mitzvah by turning off the flashers. Mazel Tov!
> > You've made me curious. I always vote for hero but I even wonder
> > whether you legally had a right to touch that equipment, even as a good
> > samaritan.
>
> Oh, I'm sure I had no legal right to be in the vehicle. I'm pretty sure
> that if I had done something wrong, like started it up and crushed the
> compressor or drove the Cat over the hill, my phone would have been
ringing
> real early that morning.
was left out on the street without any brakes on. The slope of the street
was small but noticeable (it took much more effort to pedal up the block
than down. Imperceptibly, the truck started to roll and within a short time
was moving at a very good clip. One of the neighbor teens managed to climb
up into the cab and stop the truck before it did considerable damage. He
became a neighborhood hero.
From what I've seen of the problems they often have starting heavy equipment
up, I can't imagine anything accidental you might have done that would have
resulted in a runaway Cat. IOW, I don't see any *real* downside to turning
off the flashers other than you might have fallen off while climbing down.
I suppose there could have been a "deadfall" set up to injure potential
thieves, but that would have been unlikely even though heavy equipment
thefts are on the rise:
http://www.edmondsun.com/local/x1666504562/Police-Theft-of-holiday-equipment-rises
<<"These high-dollar thieves like to strike during the holidays, when heavy
equipment may be more accessible because it is being used during bad
weather, or left unattended on vacated construction sites," said Glynda Chu,
spokeswoman for the Edmond Police Department.>>
Where do you sell a huge highway grader or bulldozer? Craig's list? (-;
> > It's a tough call. I am not sure I would have done it but I would agree
> > there's a presumption it was accidental because both weren't flashing
and
> > any flashing lights would have to have been turned on during daylight,
> > perhaps accidentally, and might not be noticed by a crew departing at
> > 3:30PM.
> >
> > There's always more than one possible explanation. The driver might
have
> > been trying to get his boss to buy a new battery so he was deliberately
> > killing this one before the real cold sets in and it could be a big
hassle
> > (that's for Clare - now I *am* grasping at straws, but for comedic
effect).
> >
>
> Now that's a stretch!
all this heavy equipment and performed actual maintenance work just to get
to burglarize your house, it's not a BIG stretch. (-:
> > So we have several questions for you to ask the crew chief:
>
> None of which will be asked. :-)
information you've supplied.
> > Were they on by design/law/insurance requirement or on by accident?
> > Were they LED lights (you should be able to answer, flashing LEDs are
very
> > stroboscopic - not so with incandescent hazard lights. I would bet they
are
> > LEDs nowadays because they're on hazardous equipment and the extended
run
> > time - thus avoiding a dead battery if they're lit for too long - is a
> > *real* benefit.
sharp blips with no dimming or slowly pulsating? Can you visualize the
blinking? I just read a fascinating article about people with Highly
Superior Autobiographical Memory:
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/how-many-of-your-memories-are-fake/281558/
Apparently even people with superb memories have trouble remembering things
they haven't concentrated on. Just another nail in the coffin of the
reliability of eye-witness testimony.
> > (Sorry, I couldn't resist after the thread's beginning where it was
posited
> > that these men were out to rob you!)
> >
> > Are you sure they didn't leave radio-controlled canisters of fentanyl
sleep
> > gas so that they could invade your home, knock you out by remote control
and
> > steal all your worldly possesions even if you were armed? Better start
> > sleeping with a gas mask, just so S feels safe about your reckless
decision
> > to let them in your house. Dangerous Derby Dad, always living on the
edge.
> > (0-:
> >
>
> We've been fine since Monday. They may be waiting until they finish all
the
> houses and then get us all on the same day.
I've read some scary stories about how bad the gas infrastructure is in the
US and how many major gas pipelines are showing signs of failure from
corrosion, ground movement and accidental punctures from earthmoving
equipment.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2013/09/30/aging-us-gas-pipeline-infrastructure-costs-consumers-billions/
<<An August 1, 2013 report prepared for Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts
illuminates the fact that gas companies have little incentive to replace
leaky aging pipes because they are able to pass along the cost of lost gas
to consumers. As a consequence, American consumers pay about a billion
dollars a year for natural gas that never reaches their homes . . . "Gas
distribution companies in 2011 reported releasing 69 billion cubic feet of
natural gas to the atmosphere, almost enough to meet the state of Maine's
gas need for a year.">>
That's a recipe for trouble if there ever was one . . .
--
Bobby G.
Robert Green
Nov 22, 2013, 3:31:10 AM11/22/13
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"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote in message
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Anyone know if there are approved LEDs that can be substituted.
Just recently I came across backup/reversing light replacements that have
built in beepers. With just a simple bulb changeout my van now has backup
beeping.
I'd consider replacing the flasher bulbs with LEDs if they met DOT specs
because they *have* to last longer in emergencies. I'd be a little
concerned that they might negatively impact the flasher module because of
their different electrical profile.
--
Bobby G.
news:bf7jdt...@mid.individual.net...
Just recently I came across backup/reversing light replacements that have
built in beepers. With just a simple bulb changeout my van now has backup
beeping.
I'd consider replacing the flasher bulbs with LEDs if they met DOT specs
because they *have* to last longer in emergencies. I'd be a little
concerned that they might negatively impact the flasher module because of
their different electrical profile.
--
Bobby G.
Robert Green
Nov 22, 2013, 3:32:41 AM11/22/13
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Good point but I think DD's already established they were left on by
accident since they were only flashing on one vehicle and they weren't
flashing on previous nights.
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Bobby G.
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accident since they were only flashing on one vehicle and they weren't
flashing on previous nights.
--
Bobby G.
Robert Green
Nov 22, 2013, 3:35:58 AM11/22/13
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"DerbyDad03" <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in message > willshak
<will...@00hvc.rr.com> wrote:
<stuff snipped>
> > If the Cat was parked in the street, it maybe a law in your state to
have
> > the hazard lights on overnight.
> > If the battery died during the night and someone ran into the Cat, it
> > would be their fault. If you turned off the lights, it would be your
fault.
> Both Cats have been parked in the same off-the-road spot for 3 weeks. That
> night was the only night the flashers were on. They haven't been on for
the
> last 2 nights.
>
> I guess someone could run into the machines since they are right near the
> road, but drivers could also fall into ditches protected only by that
> orange hazard fence or run into one of the many dirt or gravel piles that
> are only marked by cones.
>
> Heck for that matter, drivers could just drive off the road and roll down
> the hill into the bay. There's no protection from that.
It's much harder to sue a bay for negligence than it is to sue a
construction company. (-: Sadly, I'll bet that at least one avaricious
lawyer has already tried (to sue a body of water). <humor alert>
--
Bobby G.
<will...@00hvc.rr.com> wrote:
<stuff snipped>
> > If the Cat was parked in the street, it maybe a law in your state to
have
> > the hazard lights on overnight.
> > If the battery died during the night and someone ran into the Cat, it
> > would be their fault. If you turned off the lights, it would be your
fault.
> Both Cats have been parked in the same off-the-road spot for 3 weeks. That
> night was the only night the flashers were on. They haven't been on for
the
> last 2 nights.
>
> I guess someone could run into the machines since they are right near the
> road, but drivers could also fall into ditches protected only by that
> orange hazard fence or run into one of the many dirt or gravel piles that
> are only marked by cones.
>
> Heck for that matter, drivers could just drive off the road and roll down
> the hill into the bay. There's no protection from that.
construction company. (-: Sadly, I'll bet that at least one avaricious
lawyer has already tried (to sue a body of water). <humor alert>
--
Bobby G.
Ed Pawlowski
Nov 22, 2013, 8:16:17 AM11/22/13
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On 11/21/2013 11:50 AM, TimR wrote:
>
>
> Many years ago I worked in northern Wisconsin. One of my coworkers would arrive, start the oil draining while he disconnected his battery, and bring both inside the building. He was so skilled at these tasks they hardly added any time to his commute.
>
> At the end of the shift he'd pour the warm oil back in, reconnect the warm battery, and start his car. Then often he'd jump the rest of us before he went home himself.
>
> That's no longer necessary with the improvements in cars.
>
When I lived in Philadelphia in the earlyh 70's, I had a 1964 Karman
>
> At the end of the shift he'd pour the warm oil back in, reconnect the warm battery, and start his car. Then often he'd jump the rest of us before he went home himself.
>
> That's no longer necessary with the improvements in cars.
>
Ghia. I did bring the battery in the house at night. I did not have a
problem at work because I parked on a hill and could get rolling and
pop the clutch.
Robert Green
Nov 22, 2013, 9:39:13 AM11/22/13
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The Karman Ghia body design was as far ahead for it's time as the VW beetle
wasn't. I'll bet that body style could easily be revived today - it really
was a standout. Did you have the easy open (with a knife) ragtop, the
hardshell removable top or the hardtop?
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Bobby G.
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wasn't. I'll bet that body style could easily be revived today - it really
was a standout. Did you have the easy open (with a knife) ragtop, the
hardshell removable top or the hardtop?
--
Bobby G.
TimR
Nov 22, 2013, 10:51:30 AM11/22/13
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TimR
Nov 22, 2013, 10:53:21 AM11/22/13
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We lived in a small German town courtesy of the US Army.
Parked cars in some areas were required to have a taillight on all night. The German cars come with a low powered taillight and a separate switch. It easily works all night without draining the battery.
Parked cars in some areas were required to have a taillight on all night. The German cars come with a low powered taillight and a separate switch. It easily works all night without draining the battery.
DerbyDad03
Nov 22, 2013, 7:22:48 PM11/22/13
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terms of cars, Germany and the US Military.
I lived on the resort island of Sylt, Germany courtesy of the USCG. I
totaled a VW bug and it had to be disposed of. Since there was no junkyard
on the island, it had to be transported off of the island on the
auto-train. The metal and other salvageable parts were worth some money, so
a local handyman volunteered to take it off my hands - and off the island -
for nothing. I give him the car, he makes it disappear, we call it even.
We spent a full Saturday dismantling the bug and breaking it down into
parts that one person could carry, except for the engine of course. When we
were done, the entire car was put in the back of his tiny euro-style
pick-up truck and driven off base.
3 decades later and I still miss that car.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Nov 24, 2013, 10:52:15 PM11/24/13
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:17:25 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>The vehicle in question is this one:
>
>http://www.halshydraulics.com/sites/halshydraulics.com/files/bulldozer03.jpg
>
>Last night I came home from work around 5 PM and noticed that one of the
>two Cats they're using for the gas main project in my neighborhood had its
>hazard lights flashing. I tried the crew chief's cell phone, but it's his
>work cell, and I guess he doesn't answer it after hours. I knew from
>previous conversations that they are done at 3:30.
>
>Later, around 9:30, when SWMBO and I were walking the dogs, we walked past
>the Cat and I decided to try the door. It wasn't locked, so I climbed in
>and turned the hazard lights off. The best I can guess is that they were on
>for about 6 hours.
>
>When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
>jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
>
>Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
>hazard lights on?
That really depends on the lights and the battery. Generally a cat
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>The vehicle in question is this one:
>
>http://www.halshydraulics.com/sites/halshydraulics.com/files/bulldozer03.jpg
>
>Last night I came home from work around 5 PM and noticed that one of the
>two Cats they're using for the gas main project in my neighborhood had its
>hazard lights flashing. I tried the crew chief's cell phone, but it's his
>work cell, and I guess he doesn't answer it after hours. I knew from
>previous conversations that they are done at 3:30.
>
>Later, around 9:30, when SWMBO and I were walking the dogs, we walked past
>the Cat and I decided to try the door. It wasn't locked, so I climbed in
>and turned the hazard lights off. The best I can guess is that they were on
>for about 6 hours.
>
>When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
>jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
>
>Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
>hazard lights on?
will have a pretty heavy battery, and the cat will generally have only
2 lamps flashing. 35 watt flashersX2, with a 30% duty cycle would be
21 watts - if the cat is 12 volt, that is less than 2 amps - and a
deisel starting battery is usually WELL OVER 200 amp hours - which
would run that flasher for 100 hours.
My guess is the average cat crawler would still start in temperate
weather after 10 hours with the flashers on if the battery was in
decent shape - and quite possibly after 24 hours or more.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Nov 24, 2013, 10:57:25 PM11/24/13
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:53:21 -0800 (PST), TimR <timot...@aol.com>
wrote:
>We lived in a small German town courtesy of the US Army.
>
>Parked cars in some areas were required to have a taillight on all night. The German cars come with a low powered taillight and a separate switch. It easily works all night without draining the battery.
Called a side light or "parking" light, generally energized by
turning the signal lever to the "off side" with the key turned off - a
3 watt (more or less) lamp was lit.
wrote:
>We lived in a small German town courtesy of the US Army.
>
>Parked cars in some areas were required to have a taillight on all night. The German cars come with a low powered taillight and a separate switch. It easily works all night without draining the battery.
turning the signal lever to the "off side" with the key turned off - a
3 watt (more or less) lamp was lit.
DerbyDad03
Nov 25, 2013, 7:06:01 AM11/25/13
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...snip...
>>
>> Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
>> hazard lights on?
> That really depends on the lights and the battery. Generally a cat
> will have a pretty heavy battery, and the cat will generally have only
> 2 lamps flashing. 35 watt flashersX2, with a 30% duty cycle would be
> 21 watts - if the cat is 12 volt, that is less than 2 amps - and a
> deisel starting battery is usually WELL OVER 200 amp hours - which
> would run that flasher for 100 hours.
This Cat 420E had 6 lamps flashing. 2 front, 2 rear, 2 indicator lamp
inside the cab.
http://www.murrietadevelopment.com/images/420e-1.jpg
>>
>> Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
>> hazard lights on?
> That really depends on the lights and the battery. Generally a cat
> will have a pretty heavy battery, and the cat will generally have only
> 2 lamps flashing. 35 watt flashersX2, with a 30% duty cycle would be
> 21 watts - if the cat is 12 volt, that is less than 2 amps - and a
> deisel starting battery is usually WELL OVER 200 amp hours - which
> would run that flasher for 100 hours.
inside the cab.
http://www.murrietadevelopment.com/images/420e-1.jpg
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Nov 25, 2013, 3:36:25 PM11/25/13
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inside flasher - do the math. What does it have for batteries???
Likey a minimum of 2 large batteries of 400 plus amp hours each.
Now that we know WHAT cat you are talking about it gets easier. It
uses a group31 880cca starting battery. Approxemately 150 AH capacity.
The inside indicators will be led if it is a recent unit, so you can
pretty well count those out of the equasion, and 1157 bulbs are 26
watts each. 104 watts X 33% is 34 watts average draw - aprox 3 amps.
Half of 150 ah would be 75 ah, or 25 hours of flasher duty to half
charge.
Tekkie®
Dec 8, 2013, 6:42:33 PM12/8/13
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DerbyDad03 posted for all of us...
And I know how to SNIP
>
> The vehicle in question is this one:
>
> http://www.halshydraulics.com/sites/halshydraulics.com/files/bulldozer03.jpg
>
> Last night I came home from work around 5 PM and noticed that one of the
> two Cats they're using for the gas main project in my neighborhood had its
> hazard lights flashing. I tried the crew chief's cell phone, but it's his
> work cell, and I guess he doesn't answer it after hours. I knew from
> previous conversations that they are done at 3:30.
>
> Later, around 9:30, when SWMBO and I were walking the dogs, we walked past
> the Cat and I decided to try the door. It wasn't locked, so I climbed in
> and turned the hazard lights off. The best I can guess is that they were on
> for about 6 hours.
>
> When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
> jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
>
you are hungry? It depends...
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Tekkie
And I know how to SNIP
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> The vehicle in question is this one:
>
> http://www.halshydraulics.com/sites/halshydraulics.com/files/bulldozer03.jpg
>
> Last night I came home from work around 5 PM and noticed that one of the
> two Cats they're using for the gas main project in my neighborhood had its
> hazard lights flashing. I tried the crew chief's cell phone, but it's his
> work cell, and I guess he doesn't answer it after hours. I knew from
> previous conversations that they are done at 3:30.
>
> Later, around 9:30, when SWMBO and I were walking the dogs, we walked past
> the Cat and I decided to try the door. It wasn't locked, so I climbed in
> and turned the hazard lights off. The best I can guess is that they were on
> for about 6 hours.
>
> When I left for work this morning, both Cats were gone, so either they
> jumped one with the other or the battery was fine.
>
> Anybody know how long the battery in a Cat like that would last with the
> hazard lights on?
Sort of like asking how long does it take before
> hazard lights on?
you are hungry? It depends...
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Tekkie
Daring Dufas : Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare
Dec 8, 2013, 8:26:18 PM12/8/13
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They likely left the lights as a visual alert.
Mind your own fucking business. You had no right to interfere with their equipment.
Mind your own fucking business. You had no right to interfere with their equipment.
The Daring Dufas
Dec 8, 2013, 8:46:03 PM12/8/13
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farm animals. ^_^
TDD
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