OT: Trump is reforming the H1B visa program!

[T]

Trump Rewrites H-1B Program to Help American White-Collar Workers

https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2020/10/28/trump-rewrites-h-1b-program-help-american-white-collars/

And the swamp is PISSED!

YIPPEE!!!

USA USA USA USA USA

[gfre...@aol.com]

I'm sure that will be one of the first things Biden "fixes" when/if he
takes office. I doubt the $70 Million Biden/Harris took from Internet
and electronic companies this year will go unnoticed next year.

Trump got less than $4 million.

[Frank]

It is simple. Big business wants cheap labor. And, people are still
stupid wnogh to believe that all Trump supports is big business and the
democrats are still the working man's party.

[trader_4]

So after almost 4 years, Trump suddenly wakes up and decides to *start* the
process to change the H1B rules and just like he wanted, you're all excited.
Never mind that he didn't do it until less than a week before he needs your
vote and that because like 99% of what Trump has done, it's not being done
with legislation, but with exec branch action that can just as easily be
changed back by the next president. If Trump had done it early in 2017,
at least you would have had a 4 year ride with the clown. This is obviously
another sign that Trump knows he's losing, he's desperate and throwing
anything he can against the wall. Another example, Trump delivered on his
"covering pre-existing conditions with a new, wonderful health insurance plan
promise recently too. He issued an exec order that says it's the position
of the US govt that pre-existing conditions should be covered. There is
Trump's "solution". Another Trump shystering job well done.

[trader_4]

Why don't you point out that among the companies that uses H1B visas are
Trump companies? He uses H1B to bring in waiters and similar. He says he
can't find them here. Also, when running Trump flipped back and forth on
H1B, taking both sides. He;s running again, so with less than a week to go
before election, Trump suddenly decides to *start* the process on possibly
changing H1B and you're all impressed? The process starts with taking
input, it likely won't be complete until next year and won't be completed
at all if Trump loses. Why didn't Trump do this three years ago?

Maybe you should be asking why Trump suddenly woke
up about this a week before election? It's obvious. He must have a whole
dept there working night and day, desperately trying to find something,
anything that they can still do to save him from getting fired. That's
why Trump is saying he wants a stimulus package even bigger than Pelosi's,
he wants to try to buy votes. It also shows that after 4 freaking years,
Trump is still ignorant of the political process and reality. McConnell
can't get the GOP to come up from $1.8 bil to Pelosi's $2.2 bil, but Trump
thinks they will approve an even larger bill? Or maybe he does and he's
just lying again, knowing that it will never happen and he wants
to look like the guy who wanted a big bill.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

>Why don't you point out that among the companies that uses H1B visas are
>Trump companies? He uses H1B to bring in waiters and similar. He says he
>can't find them here.

I wouldn't want to let facts interrupt a good rant but waiters and
housekeepers come in on an H2B, not an H1B

The people exploiting H1Bs (tech and internet companies) are firmly in
the bag for the democrats giving them about 20 times as much money
this cycle.
The bribes account for $40 million in 2 sectors alone. (internet and
electronic manufacturing)

It is tough getting out of college with your brand new EE and a
$100,000 college loan, then finding out Sanjay from India will do the
job you want for Burger King wages as an indentured H1B employee.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Correct, that is why the Trump properties hires those people to staff
them. Stay at a Trump hotel and the person cleaning your room may be on
an H1B visa. I wonder if they will be exempt.

As for the Tech companies, I bet they have a plan. Instead of bringing
them here, just start a subsidiary in India, hire them even cheaper
there and import the finished product.

[trader_4]

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 11:23:02 AM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >Why don't you point out that among the companies that uses H1B visas are
> >Trump companies? He uses H1B to bring in waiters and similar. He says he
> >can't find them here.
>
> I wouldn't want to let facts interrupt a good rant but waiters and
> housekeepers come in on an H2B, not an H1B
>

Thanks for clarifying that. I thought it rather odd that Trump would be
applying his concerns about foreigners taking jobs away from Americans to
his own properties. The rest of us see it as pretty much a distinction
without a difference, whether it's H1B or H2B. Trump hires foreign
workers instead of Americans, that's OK, but not if someone else does it.

Oh and a year ago, here was Trump on H1B:


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.
7:40 AM · Jan 11, 2019

Can you spell shyster? Trump is just desperate because he's going down and
he's suckering in the Mr. T types, yet again.

[Frank]

Frank Jr was a data base manager at a bank and all his coworkers were
Indians. What was comical was one telling him that "Frank" was a
strange name. Probably was if everyone else has an Indian first name.

He quit the bank to do the same job elsewhere with better management.

I recalled this from the past if our company wanted to transfer someone
from the US to our Switzerland facility:

"What are the Eligibility Criteria for a Switzerland Work Visa?

As a non-EU/EFTA citizen, you are eligible to apply for a Switzerland
work visa if you meet the following conditions:

You are a skilled and qualified worker (manager, specialist) and you
have a university degree, several years of work experience, and specific
expertise.

You already have a job waiting for you.

There is no EU/EFTA citizen who could take the job instead.

The annual quotas for Swiss work visas allow it."

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:49:00 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 11:23:02 AM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
>> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Why don't you point out that among the companies that uses H1B visas are
>> >Trump companies? He uses H1B to bring in waiters and similar. He says he
>> >can't find them here.
>>
>> I wouldn't want to let facts interrupt a good rant but waiters and
>> housekeepers come in on an H2B, not an H1B
>>
>
>
>Thanks for clarifying that. I thought it rather odd that Trump would be
>applying his concerns about foreigners taking jobs away from Americans to
>his own properties. The rest of us see it as pretty much a distinction
>without a difference, whether it's H1B or H2B. Trump hires foreign
>workers instead of Americans, that's OK, but not if someone else does it.
>

H1B visas compete for US jobs that Americans will do. (typically
looking for college science or engineering degrees)

H2B visas generally are jobs Americans won't do, particularly the
Americans with any education at all. These are housekeepers, kitchen
help and landscapers. Not many American kids are willing to do that.
Trump is right about that.
All of the house keepers, kitchen help and landscape people at my
wife's club were Latino. That wasn't a bad job for unskilled labor in
Florida, $11-16 an hour with insurance and paid vacation for a worker
bee. Once they got into a leadership position the salary got better.
Insurance alone is a pretty good perc these days.

It is similar with construction.
The trades biggest gripe is finding decent labor if you want an anglo.
Latinos will work hard all day in the Florida sun. Most anglo kids
last a day or two and go away.
"It's too hard".

[Bob F]

Offer $25/hour and insurance and plenty of people will want the jobs.
Thjey are just not willing to pay what the market demands.

[T]

Actually, the good Comrade has a point. There are a lot
of shit jobs out there that have no trouble attracting
labor. They just are willing to pay for it.

As long as there is an endless supply of illegals, wages
will be held down.

Did I just here the comrade say "market demands"?
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[gfre...@aol.com]

You are confusing the labor market in the Pac NW with Florida.
Skilled trades get $25 an hour, we are talking about people with
shovels and mops.
I also doubt the people in those places would want to pay the HOA fees
a staff of 200+ making $25 an hour plus another $12,000 or so in
benefits.
That said, $25 an hour is still not going to get these anglo
snowflakes out in the sun on a summer day.

[gfre...@aol.com]

The cost of labor needs to reflect the value of labor. Do you really
want to tell your bookkeeper the person emptying their trash can is
making as much as they do?

OTOH there are also jobs that you just are not going to get people
here to do at any price. If you grew up in the AC, it is not likely
you are going to work outside long when it is 90 in the shade and
there is no shade. Then you have a guy who never saw an air
conditioner until he got here and he worked outside in Mexico all his
life. Who would you hire?
In construction, given the choice, a Latino wins every time for
"labor", no matter what you are paying.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

You are unnecessarily hard on the orange hero. He took both sides so
he could be sure of being right. I call that being thorough.

> He;s running again, so with less than a week to go
>before election, Trump suddenly decides to *start* the process on possibly
>changing H1B and you're all impressed? The process starts with taking
>input, it likely won't be complete until next year and won't be completed
>at all if Trump loses. Why didn't Trump do this three years ago?
>
>Maybe you should be asking why Trump suddenly woke
>up about this a week before election? It's obvious. He must have a whole
>dept there working night and day, desperately trying to find something,

Here, this is a little misleading. I've heard there are 300 unfilled
positions in the State Dept. Now I knew that was true 6 months in, but
I thought they'd be filled by now. But still, that is why they didn't
come up with this visa thing until this week. They're working as hard
as they can, but they're 300 people short.

Remember I said that his plan was to Make America Small Again, like
1880. That's why he's left unfilled 300 jobs. He's trying to get our
State Department back to the size it was in 1880. It's hard to do that
but he's trying. You can't blame a man who is trying.

>anything that they can still do to save him from getting fired. That's
>why Trump is saying he wants a stimulus package even bigger than Pelosi's,
>he wants to try to buy votes. It also shows that after 4 freaking years,
>Trump is still ignorant of the political process and reality. McConnell
>can't get the GOP to come up from $1.8 bil to Pelosi's $2.2 bil, but Trump
>thinks they will approve an even larger bill? Or maybe he does and he's
>just lying again, knowing that it will never happen and he wants
>to look like the guy who wanted a big bill.

I'm sure if he says he wants it, he wants it. I'm not sure he knows
what it is, but he would never lie about wanting it.
>

[Bob F]

The Senate doesn't have any time to approve trump's non appointees,
because they are too busy approving his incompetent highly political
judge appointments.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Most of the open positions are US Civil Service and that problem
predates Trump. The biggest hole is in security. Maybe Benghazi made
those jobs look less attractive. There is a web site where you can
find out how to apply if you want one of those jobs.

https://careers.state.gov/work/available-jobs/

They are not getting a lot of takers.

[Bob F]

Would you take a job from trump? Nobody with any self respect would.

[%%]

"Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It isnt Trump's job,. its Congress' job.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Evidently they didn't like Obama that much either. This predates
Trump.