60 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s handling of coronavirus: Gallup poll

[Bod]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus

I find that hard to believe.
Opinions?
--
Bod

[Cindy Hamilton]

My opinion: it doesn't matter what the public thinks. It's not a
popularity contest. If we were electing the Prom Queen, it might
be meaningful.

Here are the gory details:

<https://news.gallup.com/poll/300680/coronavirus-response-hospitals-rated-best-news-media-worst.aspx>

It represents a week during which COVID-19 numbers increased sharply. I
would imagine that results from early in the poll are move approving than
numbers later in the poll.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bod]

Having read that, I see what you mean. Thanks.

--
Bod

[trader_4]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 7:56:08 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:

People are stupid? A lot either don't watch the news or get their "news"
from wing nut sources, like Rush, Hannity, Fox, etc? In about two more
weeks if this continues on it's present course, NYC will be an epic disaster
with not enough ventilators and much of the rest of the country will be
hit hard, like where NYC is now. We'll see what happens then. Maybe when
the death toll passes the bad flu season number of 70K they will wake up?
Or will we still here that it's just like the flu? Cases are doubling
about every 3 days, we could be there in two more weeks. And if we cross
the line where we run out of ventilators, etc, the death rate will get much
worse.

[Dean Hoffman]

Would someone else have done better given the circumstances?
The U.S. was best prepared according to this
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019>
California had three 200 hundred bed mobile hospitals a few years ago
but dismantled them.
<https://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/california-once-had-mobile-hospitals-and-a-ventilator-stockpile-but/article_edc1f2a7-c399-5be0-8333-24afed2f5b79.html>
State vs. federal power and responsibility?

[ch...@epic-disasters.dnc]

On 3/28/2020 9:04 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> In about two more
> weeks if this continues on it's present course, NYC will be an epic disaster
> with not enough ventilators

You say that like it's a bad thing.


And FWIW:

GOV. ANDREW CUOMO ADMITS STOCKPILE OF THOUSANDS OF UNUSED VENTILATORS
Cuomo’s comments demonstrate there is not an immediate shortage in ventilators in the city

https://www.infowars.com/gov-andrew-cuomo-admits-stockpile-of-thousands-of-unused-ventilators/

[trader_4]

The lie repeated. Thanks for demonstrating exactly what I said. Cuomo
never said they had a ventilator shortage TODAY. He has clearly said over
and over that as case load increases, they will not have enough in just
a few weeks. Only lying shysters would misrepresent that.

We now have Trump and Hannity on video claiming that NYC is wrong, it will
be just fine. We'll see who's right. I hope Trump is right, but all the
best evidence and science says he's right. Can you read a graph? And when
Trump turns out to be wrong, NYC is a disaster, will you admit he's a
lying shyster?

[trader_4]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> On 3/28/20 6:56 AM, Bod wrote:
> > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus
> >
> > I find that hard to believe.
> > Opinions?
>
> Would someone else have done better given the circumstances?

Yes, I firmly believe a fit, competent president would have taken this
seriously, would have acted to get ahead of it as best as possible.
A competent president for example would have asked "where are the tests
coming from"? Upon learning that there was only one path, a competent
president would immediately have ordered them to come up with multiple
paths to millions of test kits. Even now, Trump refuses to do what even
a child can understand needs to be done, which is to determine the total
need for critical supplies across the whole country, what the supply is,
what the run rates are and then for the feds to ALLOCATE it where it's
needed. Instead Trump told the governors to have a good old cluster f***.

> The U.S. was best prepared according to this
> <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019>
> California had three 200 hundred bed mobile hospitals a few years ago
> but dismantled them.
> <https://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/california-once-had-mobile-hospitals-and-a-ventilator-stockpile-but/article_edc1f2a7-c399-5be0-8333-24afed2f5b79.html>
> State vs. federal power and responsibility?

Yes, the states are responsible adults. Trump is a lying shyster, more
concerned about his re-election. Why did he press the drug companies for
a vaccine by NOVEMBER?

[Jim Joyce]

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
wrote:

I currently live in a red state and can confirm that there is very little
urgency being shown by the local media here, by the local government here,
(they finally closed the schools, bars, and a few other places), and by the
local people here. I mostly stay home, but the other day I took a drive and
saw that the parking lots were full at Walmart and Lowes. My next door
neighbor runs about a dozen errands every day, and hasn't slowed down in
recent weeks. When the mailman comes by every day, he has conservative talk
radio blasting in his car. With his windows down, I can hear it, especially
when it's Rush, from a block away.

They won't take things seriously here unless and until the far right media
starts to take it seriously. It's still just a political issue around here.

[trader_4]

NJ is further ahead, but even here I see a mix. I went to the big supermarket
here yesterday. I'd say 10% of the people are wearing face masks or bandannas,
many wearing gloves. I have my list, get in and out as quickly as possible.
Meanwhile I see people picking over the vegetables, picking one up, putting
it back. Me, I reach for the back and just take one. Most aren't hurrying
up either. Example, I saw a woman with a Dunkin Donuts coffee in one hand,
cell phone in the other, yabbering away, trying to shop at the same time.
Store was in pretty good shape, except for the TP,paper/sanitizers stuff.
Whole aisle is bare, not even a box of Kleenex this time. It's as bad as
it's been. Last time, no chicken, but this time they had it.

The cops in nearby Lakewood busted up another Jewish wedding Thursday night.
Lakewood is full of Jews, they have been continuing to have weddings, kept
the schools open, doing as they please. If you look at a hotspot case map,
it stands out as the worst spot in NJ outside the very north. That early
Jewish lawyer in Westchester infected everybody there and it spread through
the Jewish communities in NYC and here. You'd think they'd learn,
but apparently not.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:

> On 3/28/20 6:56 AM, Bod wrote:
> > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus
> >
> > I find that hard to believe.
> > Opinions?
>
> Would someone else have done better given the circumstances?
> The U.S. was best prepared according to this
> <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019>

Although we might have been the best prepared, we could have been better
prepared and we could have acted much more quickly to isolate people.

> California had three 200 hundred bed mobile hospitals a few years ago
> but dismantled them.
> <https://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/california-once-had-mobile-hospitals-and-a-ventilator-stockpile-but/article_edc1f2a7-c399-5be0-8333-24afed2f5b79.html>
> State vs. federal power and responsibility?

What a pity. Still, you fight the war you have, not the one you want.

Cindy Hamilton

[rbowman]

On 03/28/2020 06:03 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 7:56:08 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus
>>
>> I find that hard to believe.
>> Opinions?
>> --
>> Bod
> My opinion: it doesn't matter what the public thinks. It's not a
> popularity contest. If we were electing the Prom Queen, it might
> be meaningful.

So much for democracy... I think we're in agreement.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:56:03 +0000, Bod

I don't konw about other people, but I am literal in my use of words and
if I weren't paying attention I might think he was doing a good job
about this, and I'd say so if I were asked on the telephone, and yet
still be totally committed to voting against him.

This virus stuff would normally be, for non-doctors and non-equipment
makers, iow for him, a simple administrative job, the kind that could
run by itself just using employees from the permanent government. There
have been 2 or 3 decisions they couldn't make that he would have to,
that should have been easy for the stable genius, and the average voter
may not be able to tell if he did them right or not, but may stil know
how many other bad things he's done.

[rbowman]

On 03/28/2020 08:52 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:
> I currently live in a red state and can confirm that there is very little
> urgency being shown by the local media here, by the local government here,
> (they finally closed the schools, bars, and a few other places), and by the
> local people here. I mostly stay home, but the other day I took a drive and
> saw that the parking lots were full at Walmart and Lowes. My next door
> neighbor runs about a dozen errands every day, and hasn't slowed down in
> recent weeks. When the mailman comes by every day, he has conservative talk
> radio blasting in his car. With his windows down, I can hear it, especially
> when it's Rush, from a block away.

This is a red state and the stay at home order went into effect at
midnight. The governor is a Democrat; we like to mix it up.

Many of our people started working from home last week but I still go
in. The company lawyer's opinion is it is an essential business and I
have a letter to that effect in the car j.i.c.

[Frank]

So, you would vote for Biden, who has never had a real full time job,
because he talks better?

[Jim Joyce]

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 07:10:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
wrote:

>On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> On 3/28/20 6:56 AM, Bod wrote:
>> > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus
>> >
>> > I find that hard to believe.
>> > Opinions?
>>
>> Would someone else have done better given the circumstances?
>
>Yes, I firmly believe a fit, competent president would have taken this
>seriously, would have acted to get ahead of it as best as possible.
>A competent president for example would have asked "where are the tests
>coming from"? Upon learning that there was only one path, a competent
>president would immediately have ordered them to come up with multiple
>paths to millions of test kits.

OK, this next part...

>Even now, Trump refuses to do what even
>a child can understand needs to be done, which is to determine the total
>need for critical supplies across the whole country, what the supply is,
>what the run rates are and then for the feds to ALLOCATE it where it's
>needed. Instead Trump told the governors to have a good old cluster f***.

That part is made even worse because Trump refuses to help Governors who he
says have been mean to him, including the Governors of Washington,
Michigan, and New York. What kind of childish a-hole holds a stupid grudge
when he's the President of the United States? Hell, I'd love to see him
impeached again, this time for not upholding his oath of office.

He has never understood that no one works for him; he works for the people.
He has it completely backwards.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Pretty simple. There is a 69 page manual for a Pandemic written a few
years back. It tells exactly what to do, who should do it, when to do
it. Trump ignored it and said he inherited a shambles.

[Shadow]

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:56:03 +0000, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Gallup = The best poll results money can buy.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

[Jim Joyce]

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 08:05:41 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>

The labs need to develop a marker vaccine that turns a person's entire
forehead bright red when the virus is present in their body.

Around here, we have random regular people being interviewed on TV and they
give a version of, "I feel fine, my friends are all here with me and they
feel fine, too." I figure a giant blotch on the forehead would help them
out.

[Jim Joyce]

Are you doing anything in the office that you couldn't do from home?

[Jim Joyce]

I'll happily vote for Biden if he's the nominee because he's far more
qualified than Trump. Also, having been in government since about forever,
he might actually know how to staff and run an administration, which would
be a welcome change from the current chaos.

Trump has been a disaster so far, and I see no reason to believe he'd do
any better if we gave him a second term. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a
good shit show now and then. I'd just prefer they not be held at the
Presidential level.

[Cindy Hamilton]

You want politicians to make public health decisions according to a
Gallup survey?

Might as well get rid of the legislature and have pure democracy.
Junk the Electoral College while we're at it.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Trump has never had a real, full-time job, either. Selling the Trump
brand isn't a real job.

Cindy Hamilton

[Jim Joyce]

Someone should have printed a copy with a giant TRUMP watermark across it
so that Trump would have taken it seriously.

Oh, look, it has my name on it. It must be good.

[Bod]

lol

--
Bod

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 7:56:08 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus
>>
>> I find that hard to believe.
>> Opinions?
>> --
>> Bod
>
>People are stupid? A lot either don't watch the news or get their "news"
>from wing nut sources, like Rush, Hannity, Fox, etc? In about two more
>weeks if this continues on it's present course, NYC will be an epic disaster
>with not enough ventilators and much of the rest of the country will be
>hit hard, like where NYC is now. We'll see what happens then. Maybe when
>the death toll passes the bad flu season number of 70K they will wake up?

If it doesn't I know you will be heart broken. The "2.2 million" guy
is walking that back.

[COVID is fake]

On 3/28/20 1:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>
> Pretty simple.  There is a 69 page manual for a Pandemic written a few years back.  It tells exactly what to do, who should do it, when to do it.  Trump ignored it and said he inherited a shambles.

69 pages?  Written a few years ago by Bathhouse Barry?

No wonder President Trump ignored it!  Good grief!

[Clare Snyder]

At least Joe actually finished school and got a degree (law) from
Syracuse University.He was far from the head of his class
accedemically, but doesn't clain any different. He worked his way
through school helping support his workingclass family. His dad worked
as a furnace repairman snd a car salesman.He wasn't born with a silver
spoon in hnis mouth. He was also a pretty good receiver on the
football team inspite of his small size, and had to fight a stutter
and the bullying that came with it throughout his school years.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:18:36 -0500, Jim Joyce

<no...@none.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 12:39:29 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>
>>On 3/28/2020 12:29 PM, micky wrote:
>>> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:56:03 +0000, Bod
>>> <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus
>>>>
>>>> I find that hard to believe.
>>>> Opinions?
>>>
>>> I don't konw about other people, but I am literal in my use of words and
>>> if I weren't paying attention I might think he was doing a good job
>>> about this, and I'd say so if I were asked on the telephone, and yet
>>> still be totally committed to voting against him.
>>>
>>> This virus stuff would normally be, for non-doctors and non-equipment
>>> makers, iow for him, a simple administrative job, the kind that could
>>> run by itself just using employees from the permanent government. There
>>> have been 2 or 3 decisions they couldn't make that he would have to,
>>> that should have been easy for the stable genius, and the average voter
>>> may not be able to tell if he did them right or not, but may stil know
>>> how many other bad things he's done.
>>>
>>
>>So, you would vote for Biden, who has never had a real full time job,
>>because he talks better?

Despite your use of the word "So", your question has nothing to do with
anything I said. And you're question makes foolish assumptions.

But unless something unexpected happens, I will definitely vote for Joe
Biden, with 100% confidence he'll be better than the lying doofus
hatemonger.

*I* would be a better prsident than the pile of crap in office now, and
this is the first time I would say that.

>I'll happily vote for Biden if he's the nominee because he's far more
>qualified than Trump. Also, having been in government since about forever,
>he might actually know how to staff and run an administration, which would
>be a welcome change from the current chaos.

+1

[rbowman]

Watering the plants? Rebooting machines for the people working from
home? Not going stir crazy?

I don't have the fastest internet connection and there is a 15GB / month
cap. Theoretically I could work from home. If push came to shove and I
had to work from home I'd try to take unpaid leave so I wouldn't feel
guilty about the drop in productivity.

[rbowman]

On 03/28/2020 12:18 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
> I'll happily vote for Biden if he's the nominee because he's far more
> qualified than Trump. Also, having been in government since about forever,
> he might actually know how to staff and run an administration, which would
> be a welcome change from the current chaos.
>

The Senator from MBNA? The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement
Act? Yeah, he's been in government forever and has all the baggage to
prove it.

[rbowman]

You're missing the point -- popularity contests are the way the
politicians get elected in the first place. From what I've seen over the
decades they don't know jack shit about anything other than getting
elected and how to ladle out the bread and circuses. They don't even do
that very efficiently.

[Terry Coombs]

  Our youngest son works for NCR repairing ATM's ... he has one of
those letters too . I'm happy as a clam to just stay home ... though I
think I'll hit WM early on Tuesday for a few items . We're not out of
anything , just wanting to keep it that way .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

[Jim Joyce]

Exactly. When was the last time Trump read more than a page?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Sorry. Didn't pick up on your tone.

Cindy Hamilton

[trader_4]

Will you, Rush, Hannity, Trump etc be walking back your "it's just the flu"
when the US death toll passes 70K? We used to hear, it's only 5 dead,
it's only 20, it's only 100. Now it's 2200 and cases are doubling about
every 3 days. You do the math.

[trader_4]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:

> > On 3/28/20 6:56 AM, Bod wrote:
> > > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus
> > >
> > > I find that hard to believe.
> > > Opinions?
> >

> > Would someone else have done better given the circumstances?

> > The U.S. was best prepared according to this
> > <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019>
>

> Although we might have been the best prepared, we could have been better
> prepared and we could have acted much more quickly to isolate people.

I don't see how the US could have been the best prepared when other countries
like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even China have managed to contain it,
while we had at least a month longer and did not, still have not. We were
prepared with the tests that failed? Prepared with a plan that relied on
one path to a test, CDC, and that failed? Prepared when even after CDC
failed, it took a couple more weeks for the govt to authorize private labs
to go ahead? That kind of prepared?

>
> > California had three 200 hundred bed mobile hospitals a few years ago
> > but dismantled them.
> > <https://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/california-once-had-mobile-hospitals-and-a-ventilator-stockpile-but/article_edc1f2a7-c399-5be0-8333-24afed2f5b79.html>
> > State vs. federal power and responsibility?
>

> What a pity. Still, you fight the war you have, not the one you want.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 9:17:29 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> > > On 3/28/20 6:56 AM, Bod wrote:
> > > > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus
> > > >
> > > > I find that hard to believe.
> > > > Opinions?
> > >
> > > Would someone else have done better given the circumstances?
> > > The U.S. was best prepared according to this
> > > <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019>
> >
> > Although we might have been the best prepared, we could have been better
> > prepared and we could have acted much more quickly to isolate people.
>
> I don't see how the US could have been the best prepared when other countries
> like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even China have managed to contain it,
> while we had at least a month longer and did not, still have not. We were
> prepared with the tests that failed? Prepared with a plan that relied on
> one path to a test, CDC, and that failed? Prepared when even after CDC
> failed, it took a couple more weeks for the govt to authorize private labs
> to go ahead? That kind of prepared?

What we weren't prepared for is a stunning failure of leadership. We have
the infrastructure to deal with a pandemic. Where we failed is in waiting
until the fire was raging out of control before we dialed 911.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/29/2020 12:15 AM, rbowman wrote:

>
> I don't have the fastest internet connection and there is a 15GB / month
> cap. Theoretically I could work from home. If push came to shove and I
> had to work from home I'd try to take unpaid leave so I wouldn't feel
> guilty about the drop in productivity.

You may want to check with your provider. Some have temporarily
eliminated the cap. Still could be limits on speed though.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/29/2020 9:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:

>>
>> Although we might have been the best prepared, we could have been better
>> prepared and we could have acted much more quickly to isolate people.
>
> I don't see how the US could have been the best prepared when other countries
> like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even China have managed to contain it,
> while we had at least a month longer and did not, still have not. We were
> prepared with the tests that failed? Prepared with a plan that relied on
> one path to a test, CDC, and that failed? Prepared when even after CDC
> failed, it took a couple more weeks for the govt to authorize private labs
> to go ahead? That kind of prepared?
>

Does not matter how prepared you are if the leader denies the problem
and does not start the drill as outlined.

Hey, don't worry, we are just a couple of days away from April when it
will all be over. Or so I've been told.

[Bod]

Trumpets seem to conveniently forget that Trump said that.

--
Bod

[Muggles]

We've already been social distancing for a couple of weeks. You can't
just shut down every business for an undetermined amount of time and
expect a virus to disappear when you come up for air. People have
already been exposed! Get back to real life.

--
Maggie

[Bod]

You seem to forget that Trump said it will all be over by April.
Will it?

--
Bod

[trader_4]

He's still failing. Dr. Birx, from team Trump was just on Face the Nation,
with no answers to anything. Asked about Trump's 15 day period with
measures to slow the spread ending
tomorrow and if we're going to need to continue it for another two weeks
or more, no answer. She said she's going to have to talk to Trump about
that. Asked what she thinks, what she will recommend, refused to answer.
Asked about why the states are being told to just compete with each other
and try to get critical supplies, as opposed to the feds taking control
of the supply and allocating, no answer. Instead of answering it, she
said that each state needs to determine how many ventilators, etc they
have at their hospitals. As if the governors are dummies and haven't already
done that. In short, the Trump cluster f*** shall continue.

Gov of Louisiana said that New Orleans will exceed their ventilator capacity
by April 4. I think he said the whole state will be there by April 10.

[trader_4]

That's stupid, even for you. Only a very small percentage of Americans
have been exposed so far, it's just in the early stages, as evidenced
by the data.

> Get back to real life.
>
> --
> Maggie

We can be like Italy and Iran or we can learn from China, SK, HK, Taiwan, etc.

[Muggles]

What will be over? The forcing people and businesses to stop functioning
normally, or something else?

--
Maggie

[Bod]

About the virus. You can watch the video where he said it here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-coronavirus-china-april-us-deaths-wuhan-outbreak-latest-a9328366.html

--
Bod

[Grumpy Old White Guy]

Maybe he meant April 2021?

--
Get off my lawn!

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 06:11:22 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

I never said it was just the flu, only that we really don't have a
plan to stop it and this "flattening the curve" will flatten the
economy long before we get over the hump. Plenty of people are going
to survive this virus but far more will be hurt by the depression that
is coming. It may already be here. We still don't have a fraction of
the unemployed counted. Simply printing trillions of dollars to hide
the problem makes it worse. If the dollar crashes, many more will die
in the war than would have ever died from this virus.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 06:17:24 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> > On 3/28/20 6:56 AM, Bod wrote:
>> > > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gallup-poll-trump-coronavirus
>> > >
>> > > I find that hard to believe.
>> > > Opinions?
>> >
>> > Would someone else have done better given the circumstances?
>> > The U.S. was best prepared according to this
>> > <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019>
>>
>> Although we might have been the best prepared, we could have been better
>> prepared and we could have acted much more quickly to isolate people.
>
>I don't see how the US could have been the best prepared when other countries
>like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even China have managed to contain it,
>while we had at least a month longer and did not, still have not. We were
>prepared with the tests that failed? Prepared with a plan that relied on
>one path to a test, CDC, and that failed? Prepared when even after CDC
>failed, it took a couple more weeks for the govt to authorize private labs
>to go ahead? That kind of prepared?
>

Make up your mind, did Italy "contain it" or is it still killing
people there. You really have to pick a side.

[gfre...@aol.com]

We traveled all over the west over the years and we saw, speed is
limited by the size of the pipe available to you. So is the total
throughput. That is why they put caps on it. One power user could
gobble up all of the bandwidth and the rest would think they were on
dial up.

[gfre...@aol.com]

... and no leader ever tried to encourage his people with unrealistic
expectations.
Churchill never got on the radio and said
"We are fucked. You people in London will be bombed every night for
the next 5 years and we can't stop them. You ain't seen nothing yet,
wait for the missiles. Suck it up buttercup".

Instead, he said
"These are not dark days, these are great days, the best days our
country ever lived".
What didn't get recorded was
"Oh damn, there goes the bloody air raid siren again, climb back down
into your holes".

[gfre...@aol.com]

The only thing worse than the states competing in the market for
supplies would be the government doling them out. We would have
warehouses stuffed with supplies while a committee decided who needed
them the most ... a committee of bureaucrats and elected officials.
You really need to make up your mind. Is this government (or any
government) basically incompetent or not?

BTW I am still waiting for an example of when they were prepared, even
for something as simple as a hurricane that we know, come every
summer. We spent $600 Billion dollars on the Pentagon in 1990-91 "to
be prepared" and it took us 6 months to prepare to kick a piss ant
like Saddam out of Kuwait.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:56:46 -0500, Muggles <cou...@wn2TkxG.vng>
wrote:

What will be over is the American dream. With 30 million out of work,
most small businesses gone forever and our big corporations on life
support while we watch the dollar crashing, we may wish we had just
got the virus and died.

Trump may have actually been right about the suicides
This is not infowars or Hannity saying it
<https://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20110414/suicides-go-up-when-economy-goes-down#1>

[rbowman]

I have heard something about the cap but didn't dig into it. At one time
I had a 5GB cap but if I exceeded it I would pay for additional 1 GB
chunks. The 15GB is 'unlimited' but starts to throttle. I probably could
work something out. For normal times 15 is enough to watch the Amazon
Prime shows, youtube, and so forth unless I'm downloading a big app like
Visual Studio.

Driving in does give me a structure. When I was self employed and
working on projects that I could do off site I found my work day got a
little strange. Programmers are notorious for keeping odd hours.
Currently there is an expectation I'll respond within normal working
hours and not at 3AM.

It's not like I'm rubbing fur with a lot of people. Last week it was a
couple of other mangers, the president and the maintenance crew.

[rbowman]

I've never bothered doing one of the speed tests. I can watch Ron
Perlman chewing scenery in 'Hand of God' and that's close enough. It's
Verizon 4G and the closest tower is about 8 miles away but other than
heavy snow or fog it's worked well.

It never was attractive for the cable people to run a line out here so
the TV watchers all have dishes. OTA TV is good enough for me to watch
Austin City Limits and some of the more interesting PBS shows when
they're in begging mode.

[rbowman]

I'm out of touch about things like that so it took me a while to notice
our stay at home order expires on the day before Easter. I have no idea
if that was a factor.

[Grumpy Old White Guy]

On 3/29/2020 9:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:

> I don't see how the US could have been the best prepared when other countries
> like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even China have managed to contain it,
> while we had at least a month longer and did not, still have not. We were
> prepared with the tests that failed? Prepared with a plan that relied on
> one path to a test, CDC, and that failed? Prepared when even after CDC
> failed, it took a couple more weeks for the govt to authorize private labs
> to go ahead? That kind of prepared?

Democrats are to the US economy what MCAS is to a jet.

[Ed Pawlowski]

We must have big pipes. Spectrum advertises 200 Mbps and lowest I ever
saw was about 190. Just tested now and I'm getting 275 or 272 depending
on site.

Last house I had DSL at 18 on a good day.
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/61341597

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <b9l18flhafi9ial3l...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com says...

> TW I am still waiting for an example of when they were prepared, even
> for something as simple as a hurricane that we know, come every
> summer. We spent $600 Billion dollars on the Pentagon in 1990-91 "to
> be prepared" and it took us 6 months to prepare to kick a piss ant
> like Saddam out of Kuwait.
>
>

Hard telling how much money and around 20 years and we still can't solve
the camel jockey problem. We would probably have been better off if we
could have just paid them off, or offered a bounty on then. So much for
a head.

[rbowman]

I doubt the BBC and other British media harped on Churchill's disaster
at Gallipoli that resulted in people yelling “What about the
Dardanelles?” when Churchill tried to speak in the Commons. I doubt they
had breathless headlines claiming the war was lost and everyone should
be studying German. I doubt they focused on the BEF's inglorious rout
from France.

[rbowman]

On 03/29/2020 11:20 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> Trump may have actually been right about the suicides
> This is not infowars or Hannity saying it
> <https://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20110414/suicides-go-up-when-economy-goes-down#1>

https://www.dw.com/en/german-state-finance-minister-thomas-sch%C3%A4fer-found-dead/a-52948976

Perhaps Schaefer was very tired and lay down for a little snooze.

[rbowman]

I just did Verizon's speed test and it reported 19.

[Frank]

Just now registered 932 but saw about 250 on a week day. The 932 us
about the highest I've seen. Usually runs about 500. I have Comcast's
highest speed.

[trader_4]

That is beyond silly, even for you. What did we do in WWII? The govt
RATIONED materials, including everyday items like food and gas. To not
do so leaves the CEO and VP of sales in every company making the decision
of where their limited supplies are going. Does it go to WA, CA, NYC
or KS? They don't have the information to even make those decisions.

We would have
> warehouses stuffed with supplies while a committee decided who needed
> them the most ... a committee of bureaucrats and elected officials.

I see, so you admit that Trump is totally incompetent. Roosevelt had no
such problems.

> You really need to make up your mind. Is this government (or any
> government) basically incompetent or not?

I never said all govts are incompetent, but I sure have pointed out that
Trump is a mental moron many times.


Instead of allocating critical materials, this is what Trump was doing today:



Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
7h
Because the “Ratings” of my News Conferences etc. are so high, “Bachelor finale, Monday Night Football type numbers” according to the
@nytimes
, the Lamestream Media is going CRAZY. “Trump is reaching too many people, we must stop him.” said one lunatic. See you at 5:00 P.M.!


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
7h
“President Trump is a ratings hit. Since reviving the daily White House briefing Mr. Trump and his coronavirus updates have attracted an average audience of 8.5 million on cable news, roughly the viewership of the season finale of ‘The Bachelor.’ Numbers are continuing to rise...


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
7h
...On Monday, nearly 12.2 million people watched Mr. Trump’s briefing on CNN, Fox News and MSNBC, according to Nielsen — ‘Monday Night Football’ numbers. Millions more are watching on ABC, CBS, NBC and online streaming sites, and the audience is expanding. On Monday, Fox News...



Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
7h
...alone attracted 6.2 million viewers for the president’s briefing — an astounding number for a 6 p.m. cable broadcast, more akin to the viewership for a popular prime-time sitcom...

[trader_4]

What lies and BS. Churchill didn't get on the radio and tell England
that the Germans will be defeated next month, that he has a feeling that
it will go away, that more Brits die in car accidents, that we will be
returning to business as usual, and then 3 days later, reverse and say
the opposite.

This is Trump from today. Was Churchill doing this?

[Dean Hoffman]

On 3/29/20 8:14 PM, trader_4 wrote

>> On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
>> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

Some cut.

>
> That is beyond silly, even for you. What did we do in WWII? The govt
> RATIONED materials, including everyday items like food and gas. To not
> do so leaves the CEO and VP of sales in every company making the decision
> of where their limited supplies are going. Does it go to WA, CA, NYC
> or KS? They don't have the information to even make those decisions.

More cut.

Wouldn't there be a big difference between rationing in WWII vs
what you're advocating?
The stuff rationed during WWII went to the collective military
instead of individual states or cities. You'd be asking a bureaucrat or
politicians to ration stuff, to send stuff to a city or state.
Elections coming up?
Don't private sector orders normally get filled in the order
they're submitted? Let it work that way for this. Let, say Kansas, send
stuff to other entities if it finds it ordered too much.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 18:14:53 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

bullshit, there were huge distribution problems during WWII and lots
of things were in short supply. There was also a thriving black market
in just about anything the government rationed, usually supplied out
the back door of those government controlled warehouses.

>
>
>> You really need to make up your mind. Is this government (or any
>> government) basically incompetent or not?
>
>I never said all govts are incompetent, but I sure have pointed out that
>Trump is a mental moron many times.

So this is just another Trump rant. OK