OT: New time zones?

[Commander Kinsey]

My phone just informed me of an update to time zones. So which country has changed and why?

[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 05:07:05 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

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Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again."
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[alan_m]

On 01/09/2022 05:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> My phone just informed me of an update to time zones.  So which country
> has changed and why?

England and Scotland. Scotland has decided to have a different daylight
saving time to that in England. It also means that in England the clocks
may be shifted by two hours for British Summer Time, although that may
be called something different now.



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[Rod Speed]

alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote

> Commander Kinsey wrote

>> My phone just informed me of an update to time zones. So which country
>> has changed and why?

> England and Scotland. Scotland has decided to havea different daylight

> saving time to that in England.

Quite right too, can't have more time for animals
like Jimbo to be able shag the haggises.

Not a problem for you poms...

> It also means that in England the clocks may be shifted by two hours for
> British Summer Time, although that may be called something different now.

It will now be called Summer McSummerTimeFace.

[Jim Stewart ...]

On 01/09/2022 07:51, alan_m wrote:
> On 01/09/2022 05:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> My phone just informed me of an update to time zones.  So which
>> country has changed and why?
>
> England and Scotland. Scotland has decided to have a different daylight
> saving time to that in England. It also means that in England the clocks
> may be shifted by two hours for British Summer Time, although that may
> be called something different now.
>
>
>

first I have heard

[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 17:03:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


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[Peeler]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 07:51:03 +0100, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:

> England and Scotland. Scotland has decided to have a different daylight
> saving time to that in England. It also means that in England the clocks
> may be shifted by two hours for British Summer Time, although that may
> be called something different now.

I still call you a sick troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, senile anal_m! <BG>

[Jim Stewart ...]

On 01/09/2022 08:03, Rod Speed wrote:
> alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote
>> Commander Kinsey wrote
>
>>> My phone just informed me of an update to time zones. So which
>>> country  has changed and why?
>
>> England and Scotland. Scotland has decided to havea different
>> daylight  saving time to that in England.
>
> Quite right too, can't have more time for animals
> like Jimbo to be able shag the haggises.
>

I got consent first I told you....

[Jim Stewart ...]

your talking bollox

[Brian Gaff]

Some of the US were going to change, and some of Canada were talking about
it. Not sure of the reasons though. There could of course be others. It all
makes work for the admin to do after all.
Brian

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[Brian Gaff]

I don't think this has actually been accepted yet. Why we change at all and
don't just adjust start and end times for things as required has always
eluded me.

Brian

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[alan_m]

On 01/09/2022 10:01, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Some of the US were going to change, and some of Canada were talking about
> it. Not sure of the reasons though. There could of course be others. It all
> makes work for the admin to do after all.
> Brian
>

The argument in Scotland is that school kids are still pissed in the
morning due to their alcohol intake in the previous evening and having
light mornings rather than light evenings will make their travel to
school safer.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 10:01:04 +0100, Brainless & Daft, the notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

> Some of the US were going to change, and some of Canada were talking about
> it. Not sure of the reasons though. There could of course be others. It all
> makes work for the admin to do after all.

> Brainless & Daft

Yep, YOU sick endlessly bullshitting disgusting blind mole had to open your
stupid troll-feeding big gob again, you pity-arousing, TV-watching,
deceptive "blind user"! <BG>

[Jim Stewart ...]

On 01/09/2022 10:36, alan_m wrote:
> On 01/09/2022 10:01, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Some of the US were going to change, and some of Canada were talking
>> about
>> it. Not sure of the reasons though. There could of course be others.
>> It all
>> makes work for the admin to do after all.
>>   Brian
>>
>
>
> The argument in Scotland is that school kids are still pissed in the
> morning due to their alcohol intake in the previous evening and having
> light mornings rather than light evenings will make their travel to
> school safer.
>

very true very true

[charles]

In article <jnbco2...@mid.individual.net>,

alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 01/09/2022 10:01, Brian Gaff wrote:
> > Some of the US were going to change, and some of Canada were talking about
> > it. Not sure of the reasons though. There could of course be others. It all
> > makes work for the admin to do after all.
> > Brian
> >


> The argument in Scotland is that school kids are still pissed in the
> morning due to their alcohol intake in the previous evening and having
> light mornings rather than light evenings will make their travel to
> school safer.

As a student I became a Christamas postie. It was still dark at 9am in
Edinburgh.

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[S Viemeister]

On 01/09/2022 17:38, charles wrote:
> In article <jnbco2...@mid.individual.net>,
> alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 01/09/2022 10:01, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> Some of the US were going to change, and some of Canada were talking about
>>> it. Not sure of the reasons though. There could of course be others. It all
>>> makes work for the admin to do after all.
>>> Brian
>>>
>
>
>> The argument in Scotland is that school kids are still pissed in the
>> morning due to their alcohol intake in the previous evening and having
>> light mornings rather than light evenings will make their travel to
>> school safer.
>
> As a student I became a Christamas postie. It was still dark at 9am in
> Edinburgh.
>

Even worse, up on the north coast.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 10:36:02 +0100, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 01/09/2022 10:01, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Some of the US were going to change, and some of Canada were talking about
>> it. Not sure of the reasons though. There could of course be others. It all
>> makes work for the admin to do after all.
>> Brian
>>
>
>
>The argument in Scotland is that school kids are still pissed in the
>morning due to their alcohol intake in the previous evening and having
>light mornings rather than light evenings will make their travel to
>school safer.

In that case the parents are not doing much of a job at parenting. Why
aren't these kids being offered speed or coke before setting off for
school to counteract their hangovers?

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 02:38:41 +1000, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

> In article <jnbco2...@mid.individual.net>,
> alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 01/09/2022 10:01, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> > Some of the US were going to change, and some of Canada were talking
>> about
>> > it. Not sure of the reasons though. There could of course be others.
>> It all
>> > makes work for the admin to do after all.
>> > Brian
>> >
>
>
>> The argument in Scotland is that school kids are still pissed in the
>> morning due to their alcohol intake in the previous evening and having
>> light mornings rather than light evenings will make their travel to
>> school safer.
>
> As a student I became a Christamas postie. It was still dark at 9am in
> Edinburgh.

But what is being discussed is SUMMER TIME, stupid.

[charles]

In article <op.1rtwp...@pvr2.lan>,

Yes, but there are serious proposals to adopt "Summer Time" for the whole
UK - ALL THE TIME. Then Scotland would opt out for the reason I mentioned.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 04:09:22 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 01 Sep 2022 05:07:05 +0100, "Commander

Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

>My phone just informed me of an update to time zones. So which country has changed and why?

I got a beep and a one line message at the top of the screen about time
zones, I think, but evn though it was only one line, I coudln't read t
he whole thing.

How do I find what they just sent me, in Android? There's nothing in
Texts.

I live in Baltimore and there is no way they are changing my time zone.
I'm too frar from the Central Time Zone, although maybe I'm close to the
Atlantic Time Zone and I can have the same daily schedule as the fishes.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 16:42:17 -0400, micky mouse, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered again:


> I got a beep

Yeah, the one you can hear inside your sick head all the time, you idiotic
troll-feeding senile moron!

[Commander Kinsey]

Indeed, even if they think time needs to be adjusted for more light hours at the right end of the day, just adjust it for winter and leave it there. there's plenty of light in sumer!

[Commander Kinsey]

Mine just said time zones updated please reboot. I'm in Scotland. i haven't rebooted, i see no urgent need.

[Kron]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:04:51 +1000, Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com>
wrote:

> Indeed, even if they think time needs to be adjusted for more light
> hours at the right end of the day, just adjust it for winter and leave
> it there. there's plenty of light in sumer!

Not for those that work and who aren't dole bludgers like you.

[Carlos E.R.]

Considering that Android is based in Linux, I can give you information
based on how Linux does this.

The information for all timezones (not only the one you live at) resides
in directory /usr/share/zoneinfo, and this "database" got an update in
March 2022 (I know that from doing "rpm -qi timezone" in my computer). See:

http://www.iana.org/time-zones

The changes were explained here:

http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz-announce/2022-March/000070.html

I see another two updates listed in August, so 2022b and 2022c.



Notice that you get updates to this database even if you don't live in
an affected area.

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Cheers, Carlos.

[Commander Kinsey]

Ahh, more complicated than I thought. if only governments would leave time as is. Somebody ought to add up all the man hours required throughout the world to cater for daylight savings time.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:59:18 +1000, Kron, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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[Peeler]

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 00:09:02 +0200, Carlos E.R., yet another troll-feeding
senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> Considering that Android is based in Linux, I can give you information
> based on how Linux does this.

Rather consider that you are feeding a PROVEN clinically insane and
attention-starved troll, troll-feeding senile IDIOT!

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make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again."
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[AK]

On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:42:21 AM UTC-5, Peeler wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 05:07:05 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
> "James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
> the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
> blathered again:
>
> <FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore's latest
> attention-baiting sick bullshit unread again>

>
>
> --
> Lewis about nym-shifting Birdbrain:
> "Typical narcissist troll, thinks his shit is so grand he has the right to
> try to force it on everyone
> MID: <slrnq16c27....@jaka.local>
>

> --
> damdu...@yahoo.co.uk about Birdbrain Macaw's (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL)
> trolling:
> "He is a well known attention seeking troll and every reply you
> make feeds him.
> Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
> with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
> the US groups for a new audience.
> This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
> to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
> noticed again."
> MID: <be195d5jh0hktj054...@4ax.com>

Dear Peeler,

I think an interdiction for your constant cussing is in order.

Start slow and easy.

Pick one day of the week where you will post no curse words in any of your posts.

If you have to post an empty message, so be it.

[williamwright]

On 01/09/2022 22:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> Indeed, even if they think time needs to be adjusted for more light
> hours at the right end of the day, just adjust it for winter and leave
> it there.  there's plenty of light in sumer!

It would be a good idea to set the clocks different so the solar panels
could work better.

Bill

[Commander Kinsey]

The treehuggers would actually believe that.

Mind you, with increasing electricity prices, solar panels might one day actually be worth buying.

[Chris in Makati]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 16:42:17 -0400, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 01 Sep 2022 05:07:05 +0100, "Commander
>Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>My phone just informed me of an update to time zones. So which country has changed and why?
>
>I got a beep and a one line message at the top of the screen about time
>zones, I think, but evn though it was only one line, I coudln't read t
>he whole thing.
>
>How do I find what they just sent me, in Android? There's nothing in
>Texts.

The update was probably due to Chile announcing that they're changing
the date of their daylight saving time.

It normally happens on the first Sunday in September, but this year
they're delaying it by one week. It will now take effect from Sunday
September 11 2022 instead of the previous Sunday, September 4.

[jon]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 17:38:41 +0100, charles wrote:

> In article <jnbco2...@mid.individual.net>,
> alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 01/09/2022 10:01, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> > Some of the US were going to change, and some of Canada were talking
>> > about it. Not sure of the reasons though. There could of course be
>> > others. It all makes work for the admin to do after all.
>> > Brian
>> >
>> >
>
>> The argument in Scotland is that school kids are still pissed in the
>> morning due to their alcohol intake in the previous evening and having
>> light mornings rather than light evenings will make their travel to
>> school safer.
>
> As a student I became a Christamas postie. It was still dark at 9am in
> Edinburgh.

My car clock is still on GMT.

[rbowman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indiana#Time_zone_division_of_Indiana

I lived in Ft Wayne IN in the '80s. If you asked someone what time it
was, they would answer '20 after' and leave you to figure out what hour
you wanted to use. It was so bad the welcome center on the interstate
had a three page flyer trying to explain time in Indiana.

I was in a diner in Virginia in the '60s when they didn't observe DST. I
asked the crusty old waitress about it and she answered 'We keep God's
time in Virginia!'

I didn't know God had a Rollex set to Virginia time but whatever.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 02.09.22 um 00:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:

> On 2022-09-01 23:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Mine just said time zones updated please reboot.  I'm in Scotland.  i
>> haven't rebooted, i see no urgent need.
>
> Considering that Android is based in Linux, I can give you information
> based on how Linux does this.

This is an Android group. Mentioning a real Linux is completely OT and
redundant. Dump your stuff there. Only the Kernel is based on Linux. The
whole rest is proprietary crap from Google.


--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[Commander Kinsey]

So, you defending the android group.....

You hate linux and prefer the proprietary crap?

[Andy Burns]

micky wrote:

> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
>> My phone just informed me of an update to time zones. So which country has changed and why?
>
> I got a beep and a one line message at the top of the screen about time
> zones

probably the phone has updated itself to the 2022c timezone database

<https://www.iana.org/time-zones>

recent changes

Chile's 2022 DST start is delayed from September 4 to September 11.

Iran plans to stop observing DST permanently, after it falls back

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 02.09.22 um 08:34 schrieb Commander Kinsey:

Check my header, dear.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 16:19:19 -0700 (PDT), AK, another laughable senile
troll-lover, blathered:

Another blathering senile idiot. LOL

[Peeler]

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 02:35:38 +0100, williamwright, another brain dead,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:

> It would be a good idea to set the clocks different so the solar panels
> could work better.
>
> Bill

It would even be a better idea if you stopped feeding the trolls, senile
twit!

[Peeler]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 22:17:22 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> I lived in Ft Wayne IN in the '80s.

Oh, fuck! The idiotic senile blather starts again...

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DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
'We keep God's time in Virginia.'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while."

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[charles]

In article <tes00s$2elgh$1...@dont-email.me>,

SWMBO's car clock lives on BST. Mine changes by itself.

[alan_m]

On 01/09/2022 22:59, Kron wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:04:51 +1000, Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Indeed, even if they think time needs to be adjusted for more light
>> hours at the right end of the day, just adjust it for winter and leave
>> it there.  there's plenty of light in sumer!
>
> Not for those that work and who aren't dole bludgers like you.

+1
Harvest time near a farm where I was staying recently the machinery was
out and working at 5am and still working with vehicle lights on at 11pm.

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[alan_m]

On 02/09/2022 08:31, charles wrote:

> SWMBO's car clock lives on BST. Mine changes by itself.
>

My car has a menu option to automatically adjust for BST but no matter
which way its set it just ignores it :)

[williamwright]

On 02/09/2022 08:31, charles wrote:

>> My car clock is still on GMT.
>
> SWMBO's car clock lives on BST. Mine changes by itself.
>

Car clock? What's that?

Bill

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 19:41:02 +1000, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 01/09/2022 22:59, Kron wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:04:51 +1000, Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, even if they think time needs to be adjusted for more light
>>> hours at the right end of the day, just adjust it for winter and leave
>>> it there. there's plenty of light in sumer!
>> Not for those that work and who aren't dole bludgers like you.
>
> +1
> Harvest time near a farm where I was staying recently the machinery was
> out and working at 5am and still working with vehicle lights on at 11pm.

And even for the average wage slave, much more time for a barby etc.

[Rod Speed]

williamwright <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote

> charles wrote

>>> My car clock is still on GMT.

>> SWMBO's car clock lives on BST. Mine changes by itself.

> Car clock? What's that?

Something you dinosaurs dont get.

[Peeler]

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 02:04:42 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Peeler]

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 02:21:45 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Commander Kinsey]

My god, one sensible country in the world.

[Commander Kinsey]

I'm not a geek, i don't check headers as a matter of course.

[Mark Lloyd]

On 9/1/22 23:15, jon wrote:

[snip]

> My car clock is still on GMT.

My mother had a Volvo with a clock that world keep time very well, but
was hard to set. Half the year, it'd be an hour off.

As to Daylight Saving Time / Summer Time, it's obvious nonsense. If
there's a problem getting to school because of darkness, then SCHOOL
SHOULD START LATER. This is what happens, but it could be done without
tricking people into thinking otherwise, and adding complexity to the
process of keeping time.

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[Mark Lloyd]

On 9/2/22 11:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

>>       Iran plans to stop observing DST permanently, after it falls back
>
> My god, one sensible country in the world.

Yes, I wish they'd get rid of that useless complexity here.

There should be 25 timezones in the world (not 24, consider that the
international date line runs through the middle of a timezone). A few
that use non-whole-hour offsets make that number closer to 35.

Consider DST and that number goes to around 500.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 12:13:08 -0500, Mark Lloyd, another absolutely brain
dead, troll-feeding, senile cretin, drivelled:

> Yes, I wish they'd get rid of that useless complexity here.

Yes, I wish you'd finally stop feeding the dumbest troll around,
troll-feeding senile shithead! <tsk>

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 02.09.22 um 19:13 schrieb Mark Lloyd:

> On 9/2/22 11:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>
>>>       Iran plans to stop observing DST permanently, after it falls back
>>
>> My god, one sensible country in the world.
>
> Yes, I wish they'd get rid of that useless complexity here.
>
> There should be 25 timezones in the world (not 24, consider that the
> international date line runs through the middle of a timezone). A few
> that use non-whole-hour offsets make that number closer to 35.
>
> Consider DST and that number goes to around 500.

Chatterbox.
Watch out you don't fall into the gap between the end of timezone 24 and
the beginning of timezone 1.

That is why the Brits say "Mind the gap".

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 20:45:41 +0100, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:

> Am 02.09.22 um 19:13 schrieb Mark Lloyd:
>> On 9/2/22 11:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>>>> Iran plans to stop observing DST permanently, after it falls back
>>>
>>> My god, one sensible country in the world.
>>
>> Yes, I wish they'd get rid of that useless complexity here.
>>
>> There should be 25 timezones in the world (not 24, consider that the
>> international date line runs through the middle of a timezone). A few
>> that use non-whole-hour offsets make that number closer to 35.
>>
>> Consider DST and that number goes to around 500.
>
> Chatterbox.
> Watch out you don't fall into the gap between the end of timezone 24 and
> the beginning of timezone 1.

The top bit is between Alaska and Russia. A nice refreshing swim.

> That is why the Brits say "Mind the gap".

No, it's because we copied the blame society bullshit from the yanks.

[NY]

"Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:op.1rvxz...@ryzen.home...

> On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 20:45:41 +0100, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>
>> Am 02.09.22 um 19:13 schrieb Mark Lloyd:
>>> On 9/2/22 11:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Iran plans to stop observing DST permanently, after it falls
>>>>> back
>>>>
>>>> My god, one sensible country in the world.
>>>
>>> Yes, I wish they'd get rid of that useless complexity here.

I wish the world would agree to shift their time half-way between their
winter and summer times and then stay there all year round - a good
compromise between winter and summer time.

Or else, if we *must* have the twice-yearly shift, at least make the spring
changeover towards the beginning of March rather than the end, so the two
changeover dates are equidistant from the summer solstice.

At least modern digital clocks adjust automatically (or else have a single
GMT/BST toggle that is operated manually) so there's no need to go round to
all the mechanical clocks, moving the hands forwards or backwards. However
we have three chiming clocks and it is a PITA having to move the hands
forwards in quarter-hour chunks, letting the clock go through its chiming
sequence before moving another quarter hour, so as not to disrupt the
chiming mechanism. In the autumn it's worse because you have to stop them
for an hour as the lesser evil than winding forwards by 23 hours ;-)

I'm surprised that even our 2015 Honda car still needs to be adjusted
manually (with a GMT/BST switch), rather than changing automatically based
on GPS data (eg date) from the satnav which allows the changeover date to be
calculated by the established formula (it's predictable by rule, not chosen
at random each year).

[Peeler]

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 21:50:45 +0100, NY, the really endlessly blathering,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered, yet again:

> I wish the world would agree to shift their time half-way between their
> winter and summer times and then stay there all year round - a good
> compromise between winter and summer time.

I wish you'd finally shut your big gob, you endlessly blathering
troll-feeding senile smartass!

<FLUSH another huge load of the smartass' senile crap>

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 9/2/2022 4:50 PM, NY wrote:

>
> I'm surprised that even our 2015 Honda car still needs to be adjusted
> manually (with a GMT/BST switch), rather than changing automatically
> based on GPS data (eg date) from the satnav which allows the changeover
> date to be calculated by the established formula (it's predictable by
> rule, not chosen at random each year).

Many cars have to be switched manually. Here in the US some states do
not change. In addition, the dates of the change have been different
during the life of the car. The sats do not change time, locals do.

[rbowman]

On 09/02/2022 11:04 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 9/1/22 23:15, jon wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> My car clock is still on GMT.
>
> My mother had a Volvo with a clock that world keep time very well, but
> was hard to set. Half the year, it'd be an hour off.
>
> As to Daylight Saving Time / Summer Time, it's obvious nonsense. If
> there's a problem getting to school because of darkness, then SCHOOL
> SHOULD START LATER. This is what happens, but it could be done without
> tricking people into thinking otherwise, and adding complexity to the
> process of keeping time.
>

Around here in December if school lasts more than about 8 1/2 hours it's
going to be dark on one end or the other.

[Peeler]

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 16:04:50 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Around here in December if school lasts more than about 8 1/2 hours it's
> going to be dark on one end or the other.

Beautifully phrased again, senile blabbermouth! Have a cookie! <BG>

--
Yet more of the very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you're going for a coronary might as well
do it right."
MID: <ivdi4g...@mid.individual.net>

[Mark Lloyd]

On 9/2/22 15:50, NY wrote:

[snip]

> At least modern digital clocks adjust automatically (or else have a
> single GMT/BST toggle that is operated manually) so there's no need to
> go round to all the mechanical clocks, moving the hands forwards or
> backwards. However we have three chiming clocks and it is a PITA having
> to move the hands forwards in quarter-hour chunks, letting the clock go
> through its chiming sequence before moving another quarter hour, so as
> not to disrupt the chiming mechanism. In the autumn it's worse because
> you have to stop them for an hour as the lesser evil than winding
> forwards by 23 hours ;-)
>
> I'm surprised that even our 2015 Honda car still needs to be adjusted
> manually (with a GMT/BST switch), rather than changing automatically
> based on GPS data (eg date) from the satnav which allows the changeover
> date to be calculated by the established formula (it's predictable by
> rule, not chosen at random each year).

Clocks that automatically switch (without using a time standard) could
make it so easy you don't correct for the inaccuracy of the clock (it
could have been a little slow of fast during the preceding 6 months or
so). For that reason, I don't set it an hour ahead or behind. I set it
RIGHT (usually according to my cell phone, which is set automatically).

BTW, when setting up the countdowns on my website, I discovered an odd
error. I was checking it this time of year and had defined Christmas as
12:00 AM on Dec 25. However, the countdown was changing at 1 AM rather
than midnight (because there is a 23-hour day in there). That problem
(which has now been fixed) is why I called DST Damn Stupid Time.

[Mark Lloyd]

IIRC, the sats transmit GMT.

[Mark Lloyd]

Obviously you can't fix that by just changing the clocks.

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 03/09/2022 00:53, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 9/2/22 17:04, rbowman wrote:
>> On 09/02/2022 11:04 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>> On 9/1/22 23:15, jon wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> My car clock is still on GMT.
>>>
>>> My mother had a Volvo with a clock that world keep time very well, but
>>> was hard to set. Half the year, it'd be an hour off.
>>>
>>> As to Daylight Saving Time / Summer Time, it's obvious nonsense. If
>>> there's a problem getting to school because of darkness, then SCHOOL
>>> SHOULD START LATER. This is what happens, but it could be done without
>>> tricking people into thinking otherwise, and adding complexity to the
>>> process of keeping time.
>>>
>>
>> Around here in December if school lasts more than about 8 1/2 hours
>> it's going to be dark on one end or the other.
>
> Obviously you can't fix that by just changing the clocks.
>

Well AFAICT school last about 3 hrs these days. Whereas we did 9 till 5,
modern schools seem to be out at 3 in the afternoon and the playgrounds
are full of screaming little cunts for what seems like two hours at
lunchtime.

I have never understood the magic of 9 till 5. In germany they used to
work 8 till 4, or 7:30 till 3:30.

Why not simply change the school hours to from 10 till 5 in the winter
and stick with GMT.?

--
A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on
its shoes.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 03.09.22 um 01:51 schrieb Mark Lloyd:

> On 9/2/22 16:34, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 9/2/2022 4:50 PM, NY wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm surprised that even our 2015 Honda car still needs to be adjusted
>>> manually (with a GMT/BST switch), rather than changing automatically
>>> based on GPS data (eg date) from the satnav which allows the
>>> changeover date to be calculated by the established formula (it's
>>> predictable by rule, not chosen at random each year).
>>
>> Many cars have to be switched manually.  Here in the US some states do
>> not change.  In addition, the dates of the change have been different
>> during the life of the car.  The sats do not change time, locals do.
>
> IIRC, the sats transmit GMT.

The satellites transmit UTC (=Universal Time Coordinated).
During summertime Greewich near London has UTC+1.

[williamwright]

Silly person.

Bill

[Rod Speed]

williamwright <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote

Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it,
dinosaur.

[Peeler]

On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 12:43:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

--

Pomegranate Bastard addressing the trolling senile cretin from Oz:
"Surely you can find an Australian group to pollute rather than posting
your unwanted guff here."
MID: <c1pqvgte5ldlo1rn3...@4ax.com>

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 02.09.22 um 22:50 schrieb NY:

> I wish the world would agree to shift their time half-way between their
> winter and summer times and then stay there all year round - a good
> compromise between winter and summer time.

There is no "compromise" needed. Just calibrate when the sun reaches the
highest point over the horizon at June 21st as 12:00 o'clock at
Greenwich. Add 1 hour every 15 degrees of longitude.

A good, objective and simple rule. Minor adjustments to the zones should
be possible as it is done today in Europe or the US for practical reasons.

[Carlos E.R.]

But the "navigation computer", having GPS, knows what is the current
time zone.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-09-02 22:50, NY wrote:

> I'm surprised that even our 2015 Honda car still needs to be adjusted
> manually (with a GMT/BST switch), rather than changing automatically
> based on GPS data (eg date) from the satnav which allows the changeover
> date to be calculated by the established formula (it's predictable by
> rule, not chosen at random each year).

My car can get the hour automatically from the radio (GPS is not
integrated, it uses Android Auto with an external phone). However, I
have that disabled because many stations transmit bad data (with several
definitions of "bad"). This could be worked around if I could tell the
car to use the time of a certain station only, but no such feature.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 03.09.22 um 14:06 schrieb Carlos E.R.:

> On 2022-09-03 02:14, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 03.09.22 um 01:51 schrieb Mark Lloyd:

>>> IIRC, the sats transmit GMT.
>>
>> The satellites transmit UTC (=Universal Time Coordinated).
>> During summertime Greewich near London has UTC+1.
>
> But the "navigation computer", having GPS, knows what is the current
> time zone.

That thing is so smart!
I'm impressed. ;-)

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 01.09.22 um 22:42 schrieb micky:
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 01 Sep 2022 05:07:05 +0100, "Commander

> Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> My phone just informed me of an update to time zones. So which country has changed and why?
>
> I got a beep and a one line message at the top of the screen about time

> zones, I think, but evn though it was only one line, I coudln't read t
> he whole thing.
>
> How do I find what they just sent me, in Android? There's nothing in
> Texts.
>
> I live in Baltimore and there is no way they are changing my time zone.
> I'm too frar from the Central Time Zone, although maybe I'm close to the
> Atlantic Time Zone and I can have the same daily schedule as the fishes.

Here the changlog from my updater in Linux Mint:

tzdata (2022c-0ubuntu0.22.04.0) jammy; urgency=medium

* New upstream release (LP: #1986984):
- Chile will spring forward on 2022-09-11, not 2022-09-04
- Iran no longer observes DST
* Update ICU data to latest (2022b)
* d/po/*.po: change Kiev msgids to Kyiv to reflect upstream change

-- Simon Chopin <sch...@ubuntu.com> Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:04:54 +0200

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 02.09.22 um 04:56 schrieb Chris in Makati:

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 16:42:17 -0400, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 01 Sep 2022 05:07:05 +0100, "Commander
>> Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My phone just informed me of an update to time zones. So which country has changed and why?
>>
>> I got a beep and a one line message at the top of the screen about time
>> zones, I think, but evn though it was only one line, I coudln't read t
>> he whole thing.
>>
>> How do I find what they just sent me, in Android? There's nothing in
>> Texts.
>

> The update was probably due to Chile announcing that they're changing
> the date of their daylight saving time.
>
> It normally happens on the first Sunday in September, but this year
> they're delaying it by one week. It will now take effect from Sunday
> September 11 2022 instead of the previous Sunday, September 4.

[SteveW]

Because many parents would be unable to change their work hours and
other childcare arrangements twice a year to compensate. The timing of
peak hours public transport fares would also have to change. And a whole
lot more. It is far simpler for the whole of society to change the
clocks, than for lots of parts of it to change their individual hours.

[williamwright]

On 03/09/2022 03:43, Rod Speed wrote:
> Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it,
> dinosaur.

Silly person.

Bill

[Rod Speed]

williamwright <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

> Silly person.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:37:25 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

--

FredXX to Rodent Speed:
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID: <plbf76$gfl$1...@dont-email.me>

[Mark Lloyd]

On 9/2/22 19:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[snip]

> Why not simply change the school hours to from 10 till 5 in the winter
> and stick with GMT.?

One advantage of changing the clocks is that if gives you 2 chances a
year to get your clocks set right. Still, it'd be simpler to change he
school hours.

--
113 days until the winter celebration (Sunday, December 25, 2022

12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

Power corrupts; Absolute power corrupts absolutely; God is all-powerful.
Draw your own conclusions

[Mark Lloyd]

Not quite. The sig separator is "-- ", there is a space at the end.

[Mark Lloyd]

On 9/3/22 09:31, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

[snip]

> tzdata (2022c-0ubuntu0.22.04.0) jammy; urgency=medium
>
> * New upstream release (LP: #1986984):
> - Chile will spring forward on 2022-09-11, not 2022-09-04

This year only? If not the general rule (like second Sunday in
September) would be more useful.

> - Iran no longer observes DST

Good. I know Russia has already done so. I hope more countries will do this.

> * Update ICU data to latest (2022b)
> * d/po/*.po: change Kiev msgids to Kyiv to reflect upstream change
>
> -- Simon Chopin <sch...@ubuntu.com> Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:04:54 +0200
>
>


--

[Rod Speed]

On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 07:28:04 +1000, Mark Lloyd <not....@all.invalid>
wrote:

> On 9/2/22 19:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Why not simply change the school hours to from 10 till 5 in the winter
>> and stick with GMT.?
>
> One advantage of changing the clocks is that if gives you 2 chances a
> year to get your clocks set right.

Dont have that problem anymore given that all the
computers and the mobiles always have perfect time.

> Still, it'd be simpler to change the school hours.

But not practical for the reason someone else spelt out.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 08:03:22 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

--

"Anonymous" to trolling senile Rodent Speed:
"You can fuck off as you know less than pig shit you sad
little ignorant cunt."
MID: <62dcaae57b421e2b...@haph.org>

[Commander Kinsey]

And my phone has to be restarted just to take account of this? ROTFPMSL!

[Chris in Makati]

On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 16:38:45 -0500, Mark Lloyd <not....@all.invalid>
wrote:

>On 9/3/22 09:31, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> tzdata (2022c-0ubuntu0.22.04.0) jammy; urgency=medium
>>
>> * New upstream release (LP: #1986984):
>> - Chile will spring forward on 2022-09-11, not 2022-09-04
>
>This year only? If not the general rule (like second Sunday in
>September) would be more useful.

It's this year only due the country holding a referendum on a new
constitution on September 4.

Next year it will back to normal; the first Sunday in September.

[Chris in Makati]

On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 02:14:00 +0200, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:

Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) isn't necessarily the local time in
Greenwich. It's the time at which the sun reaches it's highest
elevation over the Prime Meridian line in Greenwich Park.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 04.09.22 um 03:23 schrieb Chris in Makati:

> Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) isn't necessarily the local time in
> Greenwich. It's the time at which the sun reaches it's highest
> elevation over the Prime Meridian line in Greenwich Park.

That is exactly why GMT does not exist anymore. It is called UTC and is
completely independent of any interference of local authorities.

Technical installations including satellites are using UTC around the
globe. Some also call it Zulu-Time. Particularly military, aviation and
maritime organizations. Zulu is equivalent to UTC+0.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 04.09.22 um 01:52 schrieb Commander Kinsey:

Replacement of data is only possible when the file concerned is not in
use. That applies to all OSs.

[Commander Kinsey]

That shows a complete lack of decent programming. I remember the old Macs, you had to restart to install a printer driver! Stop using the flie, replace it, start using the file, why restart everything for one function?

[Peeler]

On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 08:55:54 +0200, Joerg Lorenz, yet another demented
troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

>> And my phone has to be restarted just to take account of this? ROTFPMSL!
>
> Replacement of data is only possible when the file concerned is not in
> use. That applies to all OSs.

Another senile troll-feeding idiot who doesn't get what's really going on
here! <BG>

[Scott Lurndal]

No, it does not apply to unix and unix-like systems. Including android.
The TZ database can be updated at any time. Applications may, or may
not reflect the updated database until restarted depending on the
quality of the application and whether it caches tz data.

[Carlos E.R.]

Unfortunately, Android is not using a Linux filesystem, but FAT.

In Linux, a file used by an application can be updated on disk; the
application holds the file open by a handle which points to the old data
on disk, which will actually be gone when that application closes or
restarts. That is, for some time both versions of the file are on disk.
This mechanism is what permits live updates.

I fear that FAT doesn't support this type of operation.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Commander Kinsey]

Why would it have to? Surely the OS can signal to those apps the file is being changed, so they reopen it when you've downloaded it.

[Carlos E.R.]

This is done when the update package lists those services that have to
be restarted when applying the update. Not as a generic "OS signals apps
that opened the file that the file has changed".

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Peeler]

On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 15:38:18 +0200, Carlos E.R., yet another mentally
deficient, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

> This is done when the update package lists those services that have to
> be restarted when applying the update. Not as a generic "OS signals apps
> that opened the file that the file has changed".

Yet another senile idiot who is too senile realize he's playing a PROVEN
sociopathic troll's game! LMAO

[Commander Kinsey]

So you restart some services, big deal, no need for a reboot.

[Carlos E.R.]

Which can not be done on Android, you do not have access to the services.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 6 Sep 2022 12:56:34 +0200, Carlos E.R., yet another mentally

deficient, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

> Which can not be done on Android, you do not have access to the services.

This senile idiot still doesn't get what's going on here! LOL