Flip Kwikset left-hand lock knob to right-hand keyhole reversal
MsMonar...@gmail.com
I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.
The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).
It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
Do you know how?
I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800
Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?
The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.
Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?
I should note this is a keyed "entry" lock, with no screws in the keyed
half of the lock. If the keyhole reverses, it must be via some sort of
lever or tab as there is no way I can even see to get the knob off.
I think the door entry lock part number is Kwikset 25513-001.
Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a right-handed lock?
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to flip a Kwikset
> entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a right-handed lock?
This PDF of the type of instructions that come with my Kwikset entry lock
does not explain how to reverse an upside down keyway.
http://tinyurl.com/ymefs4
Oh my, I just realized I have to REMOVE THE LOCK CYLINDER in order to
switch the Kwikset lock from a left-hand upside-down keyhole to a
right-hand right-side up keyway!
http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d
So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on the package! :(
Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand doors only?
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on the package! :(
> Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand doors only?
The knob entry lock looks much like the photograph here
http://www.inspectiondollars.com/kwiksetpuller.pdf
I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool just to
get the lock to fit a right hand door.
Assuming left hand and right hand doors are each half the doors in the
world, it seems inconceivable to me that we'd need a hundred dollar tool
for half the houses of the world!
I must be missing something simple.
Do YOU know where SIMPLE instructions might be for switching a Kwikset
entry lock keyway from upside down to right side up?
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool
> I must be missing something simple.
I give up.
I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right side up
instead of upside down in my right hand door.
It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.
http://www.lockpicks.com/browseproducts/Simple-Kwikset-Core-Removing-Tool.html
Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this 50 dollar
Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.
What I learned so far is to never ever again purchase any door entry lock
that doesn't SAY whether it's a right or left-handed lock!
Otherwise, half the time, we'd be buying the WRONG lock!
I suspect Kwikset did this on purpose but for the life of me, I can't
figure out what perverse thoughts were in their mind to torture us so.
kitchens etc.
degrees then reinstall lockset.
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| The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
| knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
| My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).
this theory holds true if the doors are "out-swing" doors
"in-swing" doors are hinged the opposite.
example:
in-swing door with hinge on right is a "left hinged" door.
Nate Nagel
I'm not sure, but...
...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob, heavier
metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way mechanically
inclined.
I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions that I could
easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair of boots
- I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off the door.
Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
nate
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or your hip and knee would give out, or maybe twist your ankle.
If this is a bet
I will take that bet and raise you $100 that you can not kick off a
kwikset lock.
even the firemen had to use an ax to get in my neighbors house when it
caught fire last year.
and yes they had kwikset locks.
|
| Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
about
| it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
not true
kwikset locks have an anti-theft pin so that can't happen.
do I hear another bet?
|
| nate
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|
locks are to keep the honest people honest.
criminals would just break a window, lock or no lock.
Stormin Mormon
trained me. I don't know of any web sites to help out.
Where did you buy the locks? Maybe someone there can help?
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Stormin Mormon
tool which I got from my wholesale parts house. You have to
remove the center shaft, and snap the cylinder out. Snap it back
in (right side up) and replace the center shaft.
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Stormin Mormon
They probably randomly ship right or left hand locks. So, it's
guess and miss if they will fit.
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different than the cylinder removal tool that I use. My cylinder
removal tool cost less than a dollar at my parts house.
You're missing that Kwikset sells a very simple tool for
reversing the cylinders. And you're also missing that some folks
work at locksmith shops and learn from other locksmiths.
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Stormin Mormon
knobs. The new ones with the one piece knob are garbage. I bought
a couple of them to install for a customer, and had to take em
back.
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Stormin Mormon
Home Depot. Well, that makes you a frugal home owner. If you were
interested in having it done, you could likely find a locksmith
who would come out and do the install for you. And then he (she?)
could do the cylinder removal for you. Actually, it doesn't
surprise me that you're not a locksmith customer. If you were,
you'd have the job all done by now. And you wouldn't be posting
repeatedly to usenet looking for free advice.
By trying to save a buck on buying your own lock, you wasted
several hours of your life. What is your life worth? What is your
time worth? Was that a good use of your time? Spend hours to
learn something you'll need twice in your life?
Just call a locksmith and be done with it.
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George
And even worse the Home depot Kwikset locksets are the total bottom of
whatever little quality Kwikset has.
Nate Nagel
You're on because I know I will win, because I actually had to break
into my last house once because my landlady inadvertantly locked the
front screen door on me and I didn't have a key to the back door. It is
a kwikset and I got into the house using only my library card. I've
done this before on other similar locks using a flexible plastic sheet
intended for protecting the little "in case of fire" placards you see
mounted over fire alarm pull stations. (it is so thoughtful of building
engineers to put just the tool you need to break into a space right near
the exit doors LOL)
> locks are to keep the honest people honest.
AGREED!
> criminals would just break a window, lock or no lock.
You've got a better chance of a neighbor hearing someone break a window
than you do having them hear someone "card" a lockset. And I can do it
with pretty much any lockset, not just kwikset. If you don't have a
deadbolt, you essentially have no security at all.
mm
>How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
>
>I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
>"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
>knobs and two deadbolts.
>
>The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
>knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
>My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).
You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side? :)
Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?
Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?
For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?
>It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
>lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
>the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
Where is it written what is up and what is down?
I believe the doorknob has to be turned the opposite direction also,
depending on what side of the door the lock is, and that that would be
true even if the keyhole were reversed top to bottom. Isn't that true
of your previous lock? People learn to do that automatically with
time.
DanG
door that swings away from you as you approach it with the hinges
on the right hand side, is a right hand door. The same door
pulling toward you is a right hand reverse.
If you don't know, here is a picture you can download and keep in
your pocket:
https://www.wolfebrass.com/handdoor.htm
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> It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
> lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
> the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
Kwikset probably thinks that it's crazy that anyone would care which
direction the keyhole would be. There isn't a "right-side-up" because
it's different on doors with the hole on the right than on the left.
> Do you know how?
If you buy the after-market Kwikset re-keying kit at Home Depot, it
comes with the tools, and instructions. You can put the cylinder back in
either way. The procedure is different for the doorknob and the
deadbolt. The deadbolt is easier, and no tools are needed. I've done
rekeying of Kwikset locks many times, I just did one a few weeks ago.
See:
"http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4vxnd/kwikrekey.html"
"http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf"
I think that you'll have the same issue with any brand of lock you buy.
You'll have to disassemble it to remove the cylinder and flip it over if
you want the keyhole in the opposite orientation.
Gary Heston
MsMonar...@gmail.com <MsMonar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob, deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up, and
you're done.
The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".
Gary
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just what is the difference between a right hand reverse and a left hand?
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DanG
started out as a cub (I am due to retire). I do not know the
origination.
In most residential settings it makes little or no difference. I
tell my fellas, to reduce confusion, to put their back to the
hinges and see which arm would be the door.
Right and left hand reverse makes huge differences in mortise
locks, panic bars, and closers; though most of these have become
more user friendly through the years.
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Nate Nagel
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "MsMonar...@gmail.com"
> <MsMonar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
>>
>>I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
>>"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
>>knobs and two deadbolts.
>>
>>The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
>>knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
>>My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).
>
>
> You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
> side is the right side? :)
>
> Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?
>
> Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
> every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
> from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
> they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
> side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?
>
> For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?
good. If the key's teeth point down, someday half a century down the
road when one of the tumbler springs breaks or loses tension, you could
be locked out of your house when one of the tumblers jams. If the teeth
point up, then gravity will help the springs and as long as the lock
isn't gummed up, it will open with the correct key even if there are
*no* springs inside.
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
> side is the right side? :)
> Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?
Hi mm,
Thank you for the advice.
Yes, I want the key to be "right side up". :)
That means the flat part of the key blade is downward and the notched part
of the key is upward.
If I rotate the whole lock/knob assembly 180 degrees laterally, the keyhole
is on the INSIDE of the house instead of the OUTSIDE. If I rotate 180
degrees horzontally, I'd need a two-foot-long entry door latch coming out
from the hinge side instead of a five-inch entry door latch protruducing
from the door-lock side of the door. :)
I hope that explains things a bit.
Good luck to you,
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> Ah, now we get some more information. You bought the locks at
> Home Depot. Well, that makes you a frugal home owner. If you were
> interested in having it done, you could likely find a locksmith
Hi there Stormin Mormom,
I do appreciate your expert advice.
The old lock jammed probably because the old five-inch long entry latch
bent inside somewhere.
So, just before Home Depot closed for the evening, I stopped by, asked for
help, and picked up a four-lock set (two deadbolts and two entry lock
knobs) for about fifty dollars. I figured it would take all of a half hour
to replace something as "simple" as a lock (I know.... I know ... it wasn't
so simple in the end but I didn't know that so it didn't play into my
decision tree).
To be frank, I could have bought just one lock or even just one five-inch
latch. The main reason I didn't buy just the latch is that I didn't know
what else would break so I wanted to replace the whole configuration. The
main reason I bought four locks instead of just one is I wanted to do a
good job by replacing them all, instead of just repairing the one broken
entry lock. I want one key for the whole house (including deadbolts and
entry knobs).
I started the job by nightfall assuming it would be done before dinner and
as you can tell, it was midnight before I finally gave up for the night.
I guess I COULD have called a locksmith to install the four locks, but
they'd have to get here before midnight to do me any good. Again, since I
erroneously believed the "fits all doors" and "easy installation" claims of
the package, I erred by not realizing that it didn't fit all doors (not
without removing the cylinder) and the installation instructions were
silent on this key task!
In the end, I simply installed a new five-inch latch and put the old lock
back on. It's not as good a job, but I will have to get the right tool
first.
Thank you for your expert advice.
My intention was to replace the lock and deadbolt on the outside door
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> You're missing that Kwikset sells a very simple tool for
> reversing the cylinders. And you're also missing that some folks
> work at locksmith shops and learn from other locksmiths.
Hi Stormin Mormom,
Thank you for your advice. I will try to buy the one-dollar
cylinder-reversing tool that is described at http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d
Following those instructions, I was easily able to pop out the center shaft
but I was unable, with a screwdriver, to pop out the cylinder.
I assume I can pick up the cylinder removal tool at a local hardware store?
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> ...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
> quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob, heavier
> metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way mechanically
> inclined.
I took the advice of the Home Depot salesman. I didn't inherently have any
gut feelings either way for Yale, Schlage, Kwikset, etc.
I do now have a very bad instinctive "feeling" about Kwikset. Basically,
they lied blatantly on their package. That puts them at the very bottom of
the pile now for me as that shows they don't have any ethics.
That in and of itself does not mean their locks are any worse than the
competition. It just means I deplore their marketing practices and I can
easily vote with my dollars in another direction.
The key question is whether the OTHER manufacturers are as bad?
Are they?
Which manufacture is most honest about how "easy" it is to install their
locks in the proper configuration?
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> And even worse the Home depot Kwikset locksets are the total bottom of
> whatever little quality Kwikset has.
Which lock manufacturer do you suggest we consider for ease of flipping
from a left hand configuration to a right hand configuration?
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> Where did you buy the locks? Maybe someone there can help?
I picked up the locks at Home Depot and the five-inch latch at OSH because
Home Depot doesn't carry them. I buy all my Craftsman tools at Sears.
That's about it for my general hardware needs. If I can't find it at one of
those three hardware stores, I call someone to do the work.
I did believe the package instructions which said "easy to install", and
"installs in minutes". My bad.
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> the key's teeth point down
Thank you Nate.
I can't stand locks lazily put in upside down.
The "teeth" should most definately point UP!
Anyone who does anything else, is paid too much!
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> The procedure is different for the doorknob and the
> deadbolt. The deadbolt is easier, and no tools are needed.
> "http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf"
THANK YOU SMS!
That was EXACTLY what I was looking for! Without the tool, I was able to
get to step 5 of your first web URL but no farther with just a screwdriver.
The only problem I see with your otherwise fantastic instructions is the
size of the pictures. Size does matter when your eyes are old like mine! :)
I need to print out your instrucdtions, which are perhaps the absoloute
BEST ON THE WEB bar none so far!
Thank you very much for helping us!
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4vxnd/kwikrekey.html
http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf
Doug Miller
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>MsMonar...@gmail.com <MsMonar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
> [ ... ]
>
>On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the lockset into
>the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the edge of
>the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in from the
>exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob, deadbolt,
>or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then spend a lot
>of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up, and
>you're done.
>
>The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
>plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
>No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
>only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".
DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.
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Kwikset.
Read Gary Heston's post -- he's the only one so far who has given the correct
answer to your question.
Ralph
Yep, that'l work.
There is a better tool but it is more costly and probably not available at
HD.
Make sure you pad the palm of your hand before trying to punch out the
cylinder.
MsMonar...@gmail.com
Not having done it, that was the hard part about the job that I failed at
last night.
I removed the stud easily by pressing on the "hidden" tab but when I
pressed on that hidden tab to push out the lock cylinder, nothing budged.
Of course, my one hand was pressing on the tab with the screwdriver, my
other hand was pushing with a pen stuck down the center hole, and my third
and fourth hands were trying to keep the whole thing from falling to the
floor for yet another umpteenth time. :)
I think the inexpensive tool is worth it. I just hope Sears has it or Home
Deport or Orchard Supply ...
MsMonar...@gmail.com
>>Which lock manufacturer do you suggest we consider for ease of flipping
>>from a left hand configuration to a right hand configuration?
> Kwikset. Read Gary Heston's post
Thank you for the advice. Gary Heston gave a good writeup and SMS provided
a fantastic set of photographs & documentation direct from Kwikset.
"http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4vxnd/kwikrekey.html"
"http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf"
These are wonderful and they won't only help me but they will help many
others install their locks correctly.
I still wonder about the ethics of Kwikset but I do not have any more than
a single data point so I do not know if the other lock companies are as
unethical as Kwikset in their "fits all doors" "installs in minutes"
"complete instructions" claims, all of which are not true for a very
average homeowner such as me.
MsMonar...@gmail.com
>>The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
>>plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
>>No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
>>only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".
>
> DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
> Finally, someone posts the correct answer.
Now I'm REALLY confused.
If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why are all the
OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in order to rotate
the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?
Please clarify if you can! Thanks!
DanG
up when you insert the key. This has to do with dust, dirt, and
debris not getting in the pin holes as much.
If you don't care, the lock will work without turning the cylinder
over.
I believe you said earlier that you considered it more
professional to turn the keyway over. I agree, unless the
owner/user says "I don't care".
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Don K
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:41:59 -0800, MsMonar...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool
>> just to get the Kwikset lock to fit a right hand door.
>> I must be missing something simple.
>
> I give up.
> I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right side up
> instead of upside down in my right hand door.
>
> It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.
> http://www.lockpicks.com/browseproducts/Simple-Kwikset-Core-Removing-Tool.html
>
> Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this 50 dollar
> Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.
>
Since you're going back anyway, see if the guy in the lock
department knows how to do it. Maybe he will do it for you.
If he can't, get your refund.
You have nothing to lose.
Don
Doug Miller
>Now I'm REALLY confused.
>
>If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why are all the
>OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in order to rotate
>the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?
I've never seen a deadbolt lock where installing it on either a right-hung or
a left-hung door depended on removing the lock cylinder.
>
>Please clarify if you can! Thanks!
A deadbolt lock has three main sections: the outdoor part (which contains the
lock cylinder), the indoor part (which has a knob for throwing the bolt), and
the deadbolt mechanism.
Remove the screws that hold the indoor part and the outdoor part together. Now
slide the indoor part and the outdoor part away from the deadbolt mechanism.
Put the indoor part where the outdoor part was, and the outdoor part where the
indoor part was. Put the screws back in.
Done.
Ralph
Beach, CA?
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> Proper lock installation / orientation has the bitting on the keys
> up when you insert the key. This has to do with dust, dirt, and
> debris not getting in the pin holes as much.
Thank you DanG for the analysis of why it's best to have the bitting
(teeth) up on the key.
I never knew why, but I never saw any professional install a lock any other
way. It's sort of like installing a three-pronged USA electrical outlet
upside down. The lock will still work but from a professional and esthetic
and functional standpoint, it's subpar to install a left-hand lock knob on
a right hand door.
Thank you for explaining why!
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> I've never seen a deadbolt lock where installing it on either a right-hung or
> a left-hung door depended on removing the lock cylinder.
My problem isn't with the deadbolt, it's with the entry lock knob.
Are you saying one can switch a Kwikset entry knob from a left-hand
configuration to a right-hand lock setup WITHOUT removing the lock
cylinder?
MsMonar...@gmail.com
> Are you anywhere near Seal Beach, CA?
Nope. I'm in the "colder" California. We actually had ice in the standing
water outside this morning. The kids went crazy over it, even as they were
outside with shorts on.
goma865
No pickle fork
No puller
No shit
Press on the little hidden thingy and wiggle the knob thingy till you
can get the shaft to drop.
Take the shaft and turn it upside down and put it down inside so it is
right on the end of the cylinder thingy.
Make sure there is room for the pop-out thingy to come out-hold the
key-knob thingy by the stem.
Now hit the other end of the shaft with a small ball-pien hammer-
Or invert the whole thingy, holding the shaft lightly and gently slam
it on a good hard surface.
POP.
Now you can reverse the cylinder thingy and put it back in so the
keyway will be right side up-or pins up.
All you have to do when you put it back together is nake sure the
little metal springy thingies are bent back to their original shape so
that they lock in good..
Steve
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> I didn't look at your link, but a "kwikset puller" is probably
> different than the cylinder removal tool that I use. My cylinder
> removal tool cost less than a dollar at my parts house.
They were having a sale on pipe wrenches and big hammers that day were they?
Ralph
Anyway. First time I tried to turn a kwikset keyway right-side up was
quite a learning experience. Can practically do it in my sleep now but
don't usually do much with Kwikset. Anyway, not a big thing to install the
lock with pins down for a while, anyway. Go ahead and do it. Gotta
think, though, that there is a good samaritan up your way that will guide
you through the process of changing the keyway. Go back to where you
bought it and ask. You might get lucky.
Stormin Mormon
one of them in the 21 years I've been a locksmith. I still have
one or two around some where, probably out in the service van.
Yes, replace the latch and put the old lock back is a valid thing
to do. Someday perhaps you can get the cylinders inverted.
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up.
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Stormin Mormon
right side up.
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Stormin Mormon
special tool.
I have no way to know what parts your local store stocks.
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Stormin Mormon
handed. Right or left.
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Stormin Mormon
cylinder, then why are all the
> >OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in
order to rotate
> >the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?
>
> I've never seen a deadbolt lock where installing it on either a
right-hung or
> a left-hung door depended on removing the lock cylinder.
CY: Doug, she's describing a knob lock.
> >
> >Please clarify if you can! Thanks!
>
> A deadbolt lock has three main sections: the outdoor part
(which contains the
> lock cylinder), the indoor part (which has a knob for throwing
the bolt), and
> the deadbolt mechanism.
CY: Doug, the customer is working on a knob lock.
>
> Remove the screws that hold the indoor part and the outdoor
part together. Now
> slide the indoor part and the outdoor part away from the
deadbolt mechanism.
> Put the indoor part where the outdoor part was, and the outdoor
part where the
> indoor part was. Put the screws back in.
CY: Doug, if you invert the indoor and outdoor parts, you lock
yourself into the house. And let anyone turn the knob and come
in. You're not sounding very knowledgable.
Stormin Mormon
with removing the cylinder.
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Doug Miller
Absolutely. Works the same way as I described for a deadbolt.
Doug Miller
>CY: Doug, if you invert the indoor and outdoor parts, you lock
>yourself into the house. And let anyone turn the knob and come
>in. You're not sounding very knowledgable.
Think about it a little while, and you might figure out where you went out to
lunch when you wrote this...
'Key
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> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:14:28 -0800,
> MsMonar...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to
>> flip a Kwikset
>> entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a
>> right-handed lock?
>
> This PDF of the type of instructions that come with my
> Kwikset entry lock
> does not explain how to reverse an upside down keyway.
> http://tinyurl.com/ymefs4
>
> Oh my, I just realized I have to REMOVE THE LOCK CYLINDER
> in order to
> switch the Kwikset lock from a left-hand upside-down
> keyhole to a
> right-hand right-side up keyway!
> http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d
>
> So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors"
> on the package! :(
>
> Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand
> doors only?
because Kwikset doesn't need to.
your links should be self explanatory.
once the cylinder is removed,
it can be re-installed any way needed..
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> outside door
home depot would have probably popped the cylinders out of
the entry locks for you,
if you would have just asked ?
then after you installed the locks on your doors, you could
have just popped them back in the way they needed to be.
g'day
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>I looked up the tool reference you provided.
>
> Yep, that'l work.
>
> There is a better tool but it is more costly and probably
> not available at HD.
>
> Make sure you pad the palm of your hand before trying to
> punch out the cylinder.
why use your palm ?
use the table, floor or any hard surface :-)
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> You can't pop the cylinder out with a screw driver. Takes
> a
> special tool.
hmmm?
I have poped out a cylinder with a screw driver before
when I misplaced the tool..
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> In article <hmcko30upmj9.j7wklsmpcvdz$.d...@40tude.net>,
> MsMonar...@gmail.com <MsMonar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a
>>right-hand door?
> [ ... ]
>
> On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the
> lockset into
> the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the
> edge of
> the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in
> from the
> exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob,
> deadbolt,
> or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then
> spend a lot
> of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up,
> and
> you're done.
>
> way the
> plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit
> either way.
> No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that.
> Locksets that
> only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only"
> or "r-h only".
>
>
guess you think its ok for a keyway to be upside down ?
(WRONG)
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> In article <12qkolq...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Finally, someone posts the correct answer.
>
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
not really :-)
an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can get
into the top springs,
and cause problems down the road.
an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can also
causes restriction on the pins movement.
not to mention the help of gravity to help allow the pins
manipulating freely.
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Doug Miller
>an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can get
>into the top springs,
>and cause problems down the road.
>an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can also
>causes restriction on the pins movement.
>not to mention the help of gravity to help allow the pins
>manipulating freely.
>
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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
Stormin Mormon
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http://www.berkeleysquarejazz.com/blog/archives/Pope%20John%20Paul%20II.jpg
However, if you really want to remove a Kwikky knob lock cylinder
without damaging the clips, you need two screw drivers. Thin
ones, like jewlers' screw drivers.
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Steve
<MsMonar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
>
&
> "Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
> knobs and two deadbolts.
>
> The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
> knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
> My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).
>
> It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
> lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
> the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
>
> Do you know how?
>
> I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock knob
> keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
> http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800
>
> Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock that is
> set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
> right-hand door?
>
> The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no room
to
> tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.
>
> Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?
The cylinder clips in place with two spring steel clips at 180 degrees to
one another. This allows it to be flipped for proper keyway orientation.
It's designed for removal with a special tool but you you can also probe the
clips from the rear with a sharp pick or other instrument. Note that this
lock is also vulnerable to a widely available tool that removes the cylinder
from the front even while locked so the security that it provides is next to
nill.
Steve
> Here's a guy telling you how to pope a cylinder:
>
>
http://www.berkeleysquarejazz.com/blog/archives/Pope%20John%20Paul%20II.jpg
>
> However, if you really want to remove a Kwikky knob lock cylinder
> without damaging the clips, you need two screw drivers. Thin
> ones, like jewlers' screw drivers.
You nitwitt you just said:
"You can't pop the cylinder out with a screw driver. Takes a
special tool."
Now after somebody who actually knows what he's talking about tells you it
can be you start going on about popping it with screwdrivers afterall. Go
get a job flipping burgers and quit butchering things as a 'locksmith' and
'HVAC tech'.
Steve
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
That's all true but the fact is since they sell their product, probably most
of it, at retail straight to consumers, who for the most part won't know how
to remove the cylinder, they should IMHO include good directions and the
tool and just add a couple bucks to the cost of the lockset. They could also
sell it with loose cylinders to be popped in at install once the handing was
known.
Steve
"Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking latch is
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> MsMonar...@gmail.com wrote:
> Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
> it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.
>
> nate
>
> --
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Steve
> I used to like Schlage, when they had the two piece exterior
> knobs. The new ones with the one piece knob are garbage. I bought
> a couple of them to install for a customer, and had to take em
> back.
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> You can't shout down a troll.
> You have to starve them.
> .
That fact that you couldn't figure them out isn't surprising and doesn't
mean they were garbage.
Steve
> MsMonar...@gmail.com <MsMonar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the lockset into
> the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the edge of
> the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in from the
> exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob, deadbolt,
> or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then spend a lot
> of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up, and
> you're done.
>
> The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
> plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
> No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
> only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".
>
>
That's wrong. The pins in the keyway should be on top. Following your
instructions they may or may not end up that way. If the Keyway orientation
is not right for the handing of the installation then the only way to
correct it is to flip the cylinder.
Steve
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> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:33:24 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
> >>plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
> >>No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
> >>only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".
> >
> > Finally, someone posts the correct answer.
>
>
> If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why are all the
> OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in order to rotate
> the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?
>
> Please clarify if you can! Thanks!
You don't absolutely need to pull the lock cylinder to install the lock and
have it work but the keyway may be upside down. The lock will still work and
the people who are saying you don't need to flip it probably don't even know
that the pins are supposed to be at the top of the keyway. If they aren't,
even on an interior install where water etc isn't a factor all debris from
normal operation winds up going right down the pin wells. A broken or
collapsed spring will also hang it up whereas if the pins are at the top
gravity is your friend.
Steve
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"MsMonar...@gmail.com" <MsMonar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:35:01 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
> >> I've never seen a deadbolt lock where installing it on either a
right-hung or
> >
> >> a left-hung door depended on removing the lock cylinder.
> >
> >My problem isn't with the deadbolt, it's with the entry lock knob.
> >
> >Are you saying one can switch a Kwikset entry knob from a left-hand
> >configuration to a right-hand lock setup WITHOUT removing the lock
> >cylinder?
>
> Absolutely. Works the same way as I described for a deadbolt.
The catch is that the pins may or may not be at the bottom as opposed to the
top. If they are at the bottom the only way to correct it is to pop out the
cylinder and turn it 180 degrees.
Steve
> "Doug Miller" <spam...@milmac.com> wrote in message
> news:Vtwqh.44570> >If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock
> cylinder, then why are all the
> > >OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in
> order to rotate
> > >the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?
> >
> > I've never seen a deadbolt lock where installing it on either a
> right-hung or
> > a left-hung door depended on removing the lock cylinder.
>
> CY: Doug, she's describing a knob lock.
Why the hell do you do this? The lack of a ">" in front of your text and the
presence of it in front of the quoted text as well as the information
following "from" tells everybody who is writing what.
Nate Nagel
Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
piece of flexible plastic. If you want anything that will cause someone
motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
jamb. Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch
and slide it down.
nate
Steve
> You can't pop the cylinder out with a screw driver. Takes a
> special tool.
This is total BS again showing how little you know about the trades you hack
at. It can be popped with a screwdriver (or two) of the right dimensions or
a sharp pick or anything that will physically fit for that matter.
Roger Cann
doesn't. :-)
Yes when installed wrong almost anybody with the knowledge of how to bend
that card just right can get in with a credit card. That's why we make the
big bucks... When we come across this at a customers location (via lock-out
or break-in) we'll realign the strike plate to bring the "DEADLATCH" back
into the picture and also encourage the purchase of a deadbolt and maybe a
strike protector as well. Hey it is all about the Benjamin's and public
safety is it not?
still in business,
Roger
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back. unless you can stop that from happening, you will always be able
to use the library card trick.
nate
DanG
depressed, you should not be able to push the strike back.
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'Key
didn't miss his point at all.
just added an important point.
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> Here's a guy telling you how to pope a cylinder:
>
> http://www.berkeleysquarejazz.com/blog/archives/Pope%20John%20Paul%20II.jpg
>
> However, if you really want to remove a Kwikky knob lock
> cylinder
> without damaging the clips, you need two screw drivers.
> Thin
> ones, like jewlers' screw drivers.
have to disagree,
done it many times with one screw driver.
"without damaging the clips"
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actually it can be popped out from the rear with a blunt
ended punch :-)
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agree, they shue could.
they use to include a tool in the box.
but that was many years ago...
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> How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking
> latches" - both Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and
> Schlage - with only a thin piece of flexible plastic. If
> you want anything that will cause someone motivated to get
> into your house to have to take more than a couple
> minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a
> library card can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you
> take other measures to keep them from doing so, like
> cutting a slot to catch the card in the door jamb. Even
> so they can sneak the card around the corner above the
> latch and slide it down.
>
> nate
it really depends on if the dead-latch is installed
correctly.
many incorrectly installed dead-latches doesn't allow the
dead-latch itself to be restricted.
as you probably already know,
it has to be restricted from extending all the way out
before the dead-latch function will even work.
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Steve
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
I've found when you knock it out it's the same as pulling it from the front.
Usually distorts the clips a little which granted is a small thing and
easily fixed, but it bugs me to even slightly damage something I'm being
paid to work on, if I don't absolutely have to. Then again some people
complain I'm a damn perfectionist and it drives them nuts....
Steve
> How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
> Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
> piece of flexible plastic.
That's because you either know a trick that works with SOME door/frame
combinations or (more likely) the deadlatch was already bottomed in the hole
along with the spring latch rendering it useless. You cannot credit card
shim a properly installed, dead latched (which is pretty much all of them
sold today) KIK used in a good solid door/frame.
If you want anything that will cause someone
> motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
> minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
> can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
> them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
> jamb.
No in many applications they can't (and neither can you) which tells me
most of your experience comes from watching Jim Rockford on TV. It always
worked great for him, of course there was never anything in the way when he
would do those cool J turns in the firebird either.
Steve
> How...? the little extra pin still retracts when you push the latch
> back. unless you can stop that from happening, you will always be able
> to use the library card trick.
>
> nate
Get a lockset. Push the deadlatch back to the point where it would be if it
rests against the face of the strike (not down in the hole next to the
spring latch like it will be on a crappy install like Stormy does all the
time because he doesn't know or care what it's for either) now, while
holding the deadlatch in that position try and push back the spring latch.
Steve
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
Before my time. I always thought they should put one in there. Cost to them
would be less than 50 cents (I can never remember the ASCII code for that
damn cent sign when I want it).
Steve
> I learned how to disassemble Kwikkies from the locksmiths who
> trained me.
Someone trained you? I thought you learned how to break stuff on your own.
> I don't know of any web sites to help out.
And you've been looking because you can't figure out how to get the damn
things apart either which is a problem given by your own admission it's all
you install.
>
> Where did you buy the locks? Maybe someone there can help?
You already know where the hell he/she bought the locks from because when
you were initially being an unhelpful prick in message-ID:
<45aa3343$0$18879$4c36...@roadrunner.com> you wrote:
"Ah, now we get some more information. You bought the locks at
Home Depot. Well, that makes you a frugal home owner."
Which I suppose was your attempt at sarcasm. You then went on to bitch and
whine that they didn't hire a locksmith, which I suppose I should agree with
since theoretically I stand to benefit financially but being that I do all
my own home repairs plumbing electrical etc I take issure with none the
less. Not to mention that exchange of information for anybody who wants it
is more or less why this forum exists. Now you come back sweet as candy
suggesting that the seller might be able to help.
I think you have a split personality. I would assume you were being forged
except you never post to complain that that's the case so after numerous
instances I ruled it out. That said both general methods to get the cylinder
out from the back have been posted several times. So you should know how by
now and so should the OP..
Steve
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
-lots of stuff from lots of people snipped-
> home depot would have probably popped the cylinders out of
> the entry locks for you,
> if you would have just asked ?
LOL I ran out of a blank a couple months ago and stopped in a Home Depot for
it. It took 20 minutes to find somebody "trained on keys" then another 10 to
find somebody "trained" well enough "on keys" to find it (actually let me
find it) without one to physically compare it to. Then alot of confusion
about how anybody could do anything useful with just a keyblank (no I'm not
kidding). If you are a homeowner and want a basic F lock Home Depot is as
good a place as any to get it but if you want technical
expertise.................
> then after you installed the locks on your doors, you could
> have just popped them back in the way they needed to be.
>
> g'day
> --
> "Key"
> ========
Even if Home depot had somebody who could do it LOL the average retail
customer doesn't know anything about it until they realize something doesn't
look right. If Kwikset didn't suck they would just include instructions and
a tool for people who buy their retail product which, yeah, I know, I
already harped on.
Steve
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
Forget it. He doesn't know. First he said couldn't be done with screwdriver
had to have a special tool. Then he said OK jewelers screwdrivers as long as
you have two and they are precisley engineered for the purpose bla bla bla.
Now he'll say one is Ok as long as it's a screwdriver made especially for
working on those super high tech kwikset locksets that require all those
special tools. You'd think it was the guidance system on the damn space
shuttle he was talking about. Anyway, he doesn't care about damaged clips
any more than he cared about ghost keys in that masterkey system he posted
about or somebody getting electrocuted when they touch their AC unit or
somebody's house blowing up from the gas leak he created when he 'fixed'
their furnace. As long as nobody figures out he screwed it up, or at least
as long as they can't prove it in court he's happy.
Speaking of the space shuttle: Chris did you by chance moonlight putting
insulating foam on the booster tanks used on that thing a couple years ago?
Steve
"mm" <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1pikq2divkrf6p00n...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "MsMonar...@gmail.com"
> <MsMonar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
> >
&
> >"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
> >knobs and two deadbolts.
> >
> >The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
> >knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
> >My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).
>
> You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
> side is the right side? :)
>
> Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?
Because it will then be backwards with respect to the latch mechanism.
>
> Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
> every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
> from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
> they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
> side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?
>
> For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?
It's good and reversing the lock cylinder is a 30 second operation if you
know how so it's not that big a deal for anybody who does many of them.
> >It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
> >lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
> >the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
>
> Where is it written what is up and what is down?
The pins are supposed to be up. It's been discussed to death already but the
short answer is if they are down they will collect debris. A broken spring
will also cause a lockout. In practice it will work for a long time pins
down backwards or not and if the OP hasn't figured out how to reverse it yet
they should just leave it like that.
Nate Nagel
> "Nate Nagel" <njn...@flycast.net> wrote in message
> news:eoghn...@news2.newsguy.com...
>
>>How...? the little extra pin still retracts when you push the latch
>>back. unless you can stop that from happening, you will always be able
>>to use the library card trick.
>>
>>nate
>
>
> Get a lockset. Push the deadlatch back to the point where it would be if it
> rests against the face of the strike (not down in the hole next to the
> spring latch like it will be on a crappy install like Stormy does all the
> time because he doesn't know or care what it's for either) now, while
> holding the deadlatch in that position try and push back the spring latch.
I'll be damned, you're right.
That must mean that there's a whole lot of crappy installs out there,
because I can think of at least 3x off the top of my head that I've had
to do the card trick and was able to pull it off in less than a minute.
Once at a house I used to live in and at least twice on a big, heavy
fire-rated door at a place I used to work. In fact, every time I've
*needed* to get in a door, I've been able to.
The Weiser locks on my current house do appear to be resistant to
"carding" as well as the metal weatherstrip would make it that much more
difficult.
Roger Cann
it in..
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Roger Cann
at times.. always the lock. IMHO
But I have used it in an emergency and no not on a titan! :-)
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Roger Cann
"Support your local sheriff"
Hell Rockford files is still in syndication. Don't you just love it when a
lock it picked on TV without the cylinder even moving and better yet
sometimes the knob isn't even turned either.. I've even seen "no latch" on
some of the doors and no bolts on safes.. got ta love tv and those comments
from people "didn't take that long on tv"
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Roger Cann
you key in a back door that hasn't been used in a while.
better have some wd-40 or the likes handy. You'll be lucky to even get the
key in.. at least around here anyway.. coastal environments a bitch! lube
lube lube.. preventative maintenance! Spray the internal parts down good
with some LokShot by strattec or similar non drying lube PRIOR to installing
it and it'll probably last as long as the manufacture thinks it's supposed
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