I tapped into the existing copper pipe with a copper T. Ran copper to
Black pipe which is what comes out of the floor in the Kitchen for the
Gas Stove to hookup to.
The copper fittings that I put in were soldered using standard plumbing
solder.
There have been no leaks and this has been in place a couple of months
now, but I've read somewhere that soldering is only for water and not
gas.
What are the problems with soldering for gas pipes? Is this setup
dangerous?
If I were in your situation, I'd begin by phoning my local zoning folks and
asking them about code requirements and zoning rules. These folks can be
extremely useful when seeking advise. Just recently I talked with them and got
good advise before I purchased my framing nailer which uses clipped-head nails.
(zoning varies with respect to accepting clipped-head nails).
Obviously, brazing is stronger and not much more difficult.
Copper *is* permitted in some parts of the country for gas lines.
But soldered (or brazed) joints are not allowed. Only flare-fitting
connections should be used and only soft copper tubing. The reasoning
is that soldered joints can be difficult to make leak-free (and leaks
don't show like they do with water) and the joint may break if the
pipe is subjected to bending/vibration, etc.
Jim
Most areas wont even allow copper or soldered lines for gas. Gas
causes copper to flake inside and that plugs up controls. Also, flames
and gas arent a real good combination either.
Bubba
> Most areas wont even allow copper or soldered lines for gas. Gas
> causes copper to flake inside and that plugs up controls. Also, flames
> and gas arent a real good combination either.
> Bubba
>
Then there are problems with leaky joints;bad news for gas,water is not
such a hazard.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
ONLY flare nuts with copper are allowed, compression isn't allowed either.
You are sitting on a bomb just waiting to go off. Fossil fuel gas attacks
copper and causes flaking which can cause a gas valve to stick open. Also,
since it flakes it attacks the copper itself which means that it attacks the
copper that was soldiered, which means the joint constanly get weaker by the
second until the joint fails. With a flare it is less likely to have such a
major leak since it is a mechanical joint, not dependant on a joint like
being 'glued' together.
Change it out, use Stainless steel. Better yet, since you dont know the
codes I would stick to painting and call a plumber to put it in correctly
We'll watch for you on the news. Set up a camera outside so we can watch the
big bang.
Eric
--
We are Pentium of Borg
Division is futile,
You will be approximated.
Did you live in a place where you have to pull a permit and have an inspection?
If so, and you didn't, keep in mind that your insurance is void if you get a
gas leak.
No place allows soldering. Some locals allow only flare, some allow flare
or compression. I don't know why; if solder is good enough for high
pressure water it ought to work for low pressure gas, but maybe solder just
isn't stable with gas.
Check with your town; they don't have code requirements for fun.
Never heard of any that permit compression fitting for gas.
That for real? About 6 years ago, I had a big underground gas tank
installed by the local gas company and they used copper throughout. Of
course, the lawn guy then promptly ran into the house feed and never told
me. Learned about that one went I went out back and smelled gas... That
installation was an accident waiting to happen...
Propane and copper...........Yes
Natural gas and copper......No
Speaking for myself, I prefer black iron. If you have black iron and copper
in the cellar, it is very easy to tell w hich is the water, and which is the
NG.
--
Christopher A. Young
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"Astro" <As...@spammenot.com> wrote in message
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Bingo! That was an LPG install.
I will be moving my outside grill soon, I will check to see what the inside
of the copper looks like as I am curious to the issues with flaking I am
hearing about copper and NG.
Nayone have any links to sites that can expain all these issues ?
Thanks,
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> Whats the point? If you got black pipe coming out the floor, all you
> need is a $10 gas flex pipe made for gas. You probably spent half
> that amount just on the copper pipe and all the soldering, etc.
> Now you are living in danger, because you were too cheap to spend $5
> more to do it right.
>
> ---
>
> On 7 Jan 2005 14:43:01 -0800, "sawtooth" <fabian...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
bill
"George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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I worked with a tech for a while that had done HVAC work in SE Minnesota. He
was telling me that some cities he worked in allowed copper for natural gas.
To the point that it was common practice to run hard copper and bazed
fittings, burried in the wall!
Seemed pretty crazy to me, but he assured me it passed code in that area!
Greg
Ive seen a ton of it. I also like that gate valve they installed on
them for a shut off. As soon as you turn it, the stem moves and it
starts leaking. I guess they didnt know any better back then.
Bubba
Pretty freaky!
Even using SST makes me a bit nervous! Nothing like good old black pipe for
gas!
Greg
>What are the problems with soldering for gas pipes? Is this setup
>dangerous?
>
Last time i checked only black threaded pipe can be used for inside gas
lines.it will last forever.