Kerosene in a plastic gasoline can
mm
(I assume the opposite is illegal, but I don't know about this.)
Is there any other reason not to put in in one?
If after I've emptied all the kerosene and want to use it for
gasoline, if there's a little bit of kerosene still in it, will that
be a problem for a lawn mower or a car?
I have a spare platic can and no room for a kerosene can, and I would
only need it for a few months anyhow.
Edwin Pawlowski
"mm" <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> Is it legal for a vendor to put kerosene in a plastic gasoline can?
> (I assume the opposite is illegal, but I don't know about this.)
>
> Is there any other reason not to put in in one?
>
> If after I've emptied all the kerosene and want to use it for
> gasoline, if there's a little bit of kerosene still in it, will that
> be a problem for a lawn mower or a car?
I don't know if it is a law, but gas cans are red, kero cans are blue. This
avoids potential problems from mix-ups. Putting gas in a kerosene heater
can be a disaster. It is legal to use a plastic can. If a slight residue
is left, it will easily mix with gas and you'll never see a problem in a
mower or car once diluted.
Eigenvector
gasoline cans in kerosene?
I don't see why it would be illegal, I think it would be a very dumb idea
for a dealer to do this - the two are NOT interchangible.
Toller
years.
I don't recommend it because it is too easy to make a mistake. I did it in
an emergency, and now am too cheap to do otherwise.
Al Bundy
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If you have no room for a kero can you just plain have too much shit.
Don't swap them <Period>
There are a bizillion different plastics/properties. Different liquids
will eat or not eat away at plastics at a very fast or very slow rate.
I'm sure you want gallons of fuel leaking out of a can that "I dunno wha
happen. I've been using that can for months. Must be a can defect.".
But why are gas cans red and kero cans blue? Think fireman. So when they
go to put out a fire they will know what's in the can from far away
without having to go up and sniff your can (no pun intended) or pull out
binoculars to read makeshift labels. Then they know what to put on it so
they put it out and not spread the flammable.
Sell $10 worth of that useless shit you have on ebay and buy a can.
Solves the space problem.
Richard J Kinch
> Different liquids
> will eat or not eat away at plastics at a very fast or very slow rate.
Don't be silly. If it holds gasoline it will hold kerosene. They're both
just petroleum distillates, with gasoline the lighter, more solvent
fraction.
Al Bundy
news:Xns981F12675FD...@216.196.97.131:
I'm confident it would. Just a general statement not to develop a bad
habit that could be nasty.
I've seen xylene melt "plastic" on contact before my eyes. I've seen it
clean other "plastics" like ammonia on glass. Obviously they were two
very different plastics. Long ago but I think one may have been Lexan?
The main point was the firefighter issue.
mm
Are you my long lost brother? I've been searching for you for 20
years!
Maybe I'll take a marker with me, and write kerosene if the guy
insists. Later I can change it to skerosene, so as not to confuse
anyone.
Richard J Kinch
> I've seen xylene melt "plastic" on contact before my eyes.
Know your solvents vs plastics:
http://www.omega.com/pdf/tubing/technical_section/chemical_chart_5.asp
Al Bundy
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Again, Red Green comes to the rescue...
Remember those things when you (me anyway) were a kid where you wrote on
the film over the silver/grey backing? You pulled the film up and it
erased the writing for a clean slate. Can't remember what it was called.
Just duct tape one of those to the can and change at will at the station.
mm
wrote:
>>>>
>>>I stenciled "kerosene" on a plastic gas can and have been using it for
>>>20 years.
>>>I don't recommend it because it is too easy to make a mistake. I did
>>>it in an emergency, and now am too cheap to do otherwise.
>>
>> Are you my long lost brother? I've been searching for you for 20
>> years!
>>
>> Maybe I'll take a marker with me, and write kerosene if the guy
>> insists. Later I can change it to skerosene, so as not to confuse
>> anyone.
>> >
>
>Again, Red Green comes to the rescue...
>
>Remember those things when you (me anyway) were a kid where you wrote on
>the film over the silver/grey backing? You pulled the film up and it
>erased the writing for a clean slate. Can't remember what it was called.
I had that and I liked it. I don't remember the name.
>Just duct tape one of those to the can and change at will at the station.
Great idea. I should have though of that. When in college I had keys
that were stamped on them Do Not Duplicate, I would put some paper
tape around the head of the key and write "Back Door" on the paper.
Stormin Mormon
might not start the mower.
Years ago, they used to use kerosene and gasoline for remote location
pump houses. Start the engine on gas, and then switch over to kero.
Because kero stores longer without going stale.
--
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You have to starve them.
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Harry K
Gas and Kero are basically the same. The only difference in the cans
is the color.
Firemen don't care what is in the can. If it is red or blue they will
be treating it as highly flammable.
I have three different gas cans. Regular, premium, chainsaw - all are
identified with magic marker. I also have my decoy 5 gal. I pity the
thief who grabs the first "gas" can he sees. He will get about 4
gallons of diesel, used paint thinner, gas that was used for cleaning
parts and some other stuff I forgot. That is my brush pile fire
starter.
Harry K
Chris Lewis
> Gas and Kero are basically the same. The only difference in the cans
> is the color.
> Firemen don't care what is in the can. If it is red or blue they will
> be treating it as highly flammable.
Firemen do care. I was one for a bit. ;-)
Gasoline is far more of a fire hazard than kerosene or diesel, and
depending on the circumstances will be treated differently.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
Jeff Wisnia
> Traces of kero won't hurt a gasoline engine. Half or a third kero
> might not start the mower.
>
> Years ago, they used to use kerosene and gasoline for remote location
> pump houses. Start the engine on gas, and then switch over to kero.
> Because kero stores longer without going stale.
>
And I remember that during WWII one of the DIY magazines like Pop
Science ran an article on how to adapt your car to start on gasoline and
then switch it over to kero or even #2 fuel oil which was easier to come
by during the war than rationed gasoline was.
IIRC they had you wrap a couple of feet of copper tubing loosely around
the exhaust manifold and ran the alternate fuel through it before it got
to the carb to make it easier to vaporize.
You had to switch back to gasoline for a short while before shutting
down, so the carb bowl was filled with gasoline for the next start.
You prolly would have a hell of a time trying to do that with one of
today's computerized fuel injected cars, but back then when all you
needed to make a car engine run was "fire and gas" and you could play
with thinkgs like ignition timing just by rotating the distributor,
stuff was a lot easier to tinker with. Hell, I swear my 2004 Lincoln
throws on its "Check Engine" light if I fart with the windows closed.
Jeff
--
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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."
George E. Cawthon
sold in plastic containers. Personally, I prefer
to keep it a gallon glass bottle on the floor, but
some may consider that dangerous.
mm
Lewis) wrote:
>According to Harry K <turnk...@hotmail.com>:
>
>> Gas and Kero are basically the same. The only difference in the cans
>> is the color.
>> Firemen don't care what is in the can. If it is red or blue they will
>> be treating it as highly flammable.
>
>Firemen do care. I was one for a bit. ;-)
>
>Gasoline is far more of a fire hazard than kerosene or diesel, and
>depending on the circumstances will be treated differently.
Isn't that why in cowboy** movies, a guy on horseback can go into a
cabin where no one has been for months, and light the kerosene
lantern?
Did they have gasoline in the second half of the 19th century\? If
they did, I think it would be wicked up by the lantern wick and
evaporate. Wouldn't be nearly as practical as kerosene for that
reason, and I don't think one could safely burn it in a lantern.
**BTW, did you ever notice that there are no movies afaicr with both
cowboys and Indians in the same movie. Maybe "cowboy and Indian
movies" refers to two kinds.
mm
<jwi...@conversent.net> wrote:
>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Traces of kero won't hurt a gasoline engine. Half or a third kero
>> might not start the mower.
>>
>> Years ago, they used to use kerosene and gasoline for remote location
>> pump houses. Start the engine on gas, and then switch over to kero.
>> Because kero stores longer without going stale.
>>
>
>
>And I remember that during WWII one of the DIY magazines like Pop
>Science ran an article on how to adapt your car to start on gasoline and
>then switch it over to kero or even #2 fuel oil which was easier to come
>by during the war than rationed gasoline was.
>
>IIRC they had you wrap a couple of feet of copper tubing loosely around
>the exhaust manifold and ran the alternate fuel through it before it got
>to the carb to make it easier to vaporize.
>
>You had to switch back to gasoline for a short while before shutting
>down, so the carb bowl was filled with gasoline for the next start.
Sounds very high tech, and I'm not kidding.
>
>You prolly would have a hell of a time trying to do that with one of
>today's computerized fuel injected cars, but back then when all you
You couldn't do it yourself, but they could make the computer handle
the switchover and the switch back. Would make it pretty easy.
Of course, this war isn't like WWII. No one is asking anyone to cut
back on gasoline use. High prices may discourage some, but we were
told to buy things, to spend money. This is supposed to be a painless
war on the home front. Well, home is not a front, except for those
with family members in the war.
Richard J Kinch
> Did they have gasoline in the second half of the 19th century\? If
> they did, I think it would be wicked up by the lantern wick and
> evaporate. Wouldn't be nearly as practical as kerosene for that
> reason, and I don't think one could safely burn it in a lantern.
Correct.
In the 19th century petroleum was distilled for kerosene lamp oil. They
threw out the gasoline (!) from the process, as there was no use for it
prior to the invention of the internal combustion engine.
Eigenvector
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:07:18 -0000, cle...@nortelnetworks.com (Chris
> Lewis) wrote:
>
>>According to Harry K <turnk...@hotmail.com>:
>>
>>> Gas and Kero are basically the same. The only difference in the cans
>>> is the color.
>>> Firemen don't care what is in the can. If it is red or blue they will
>>> be treating it as highly flammable.
>>
>>Firemen do care. I was one for a bit. ;-)
>>
>>Gasoline is far more of a fire hazard than kerosene or diesel, and
>>depending on the circumstances will be treated differently.
>
> Isn't that why in cowboy** movies, a guy on horseback can go into a
> cabin where no one has been for months, and light the kerosene
> lantern?
>
> Did they have gasoline in the second half of the 19th century\? If
> they did, I think it would be wicked up by the lantern wick and
> evaporate. Wouldn't be nearly as practical as kerosene for that
> reason, and I don't think one could safely burn it in a lantern.
They did have gasoline, it was sold in the drugstore as a cleaning
agent/solvent.
Harry K
Except that gasoline was used for the pump up lanterns. They had
mantles instead of wicks and you had to buy white gas as lead would
contaminate the mantle. Put out a harsh, bright light.
Using it in an 'oil' lamp would be very dangerous.
Gas was also used in the old blow torches.
Harry K
Chris Lewis
> mantles instead of wicks and you had to buy white gas as lead would
> contaminate the mantle. Put out a harsh, bright light.
Heh, back in those days, you just bought "gas".
TEL wasn't added to gasoline until _much_ later - first they
had to invent cars.
mm
Lewis) wrote:
>According to Harry K <turnk...@hotmail.com>:
>> Except that gasoline was used for the pump up lanterns. They had
>> mantles instead of wicks and you had to buy white gas as lead would
>> contaminate the mantle. Put out a harsh, bright light.
>
>Heh, back in those days, you just bought "gas".
>
>TEL wasn't added to gasoline until _much_ later - first they
>had to invent cars.
"Fill it up with ethyl." No one says that anymore. Most don't even
know what it means. :(
Al Bundy
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Ohhhhh, so that was the shit the old man used to drink.
Richard J Kinch
>> In the 19th century petroleum was distilled for kerosene lamp oil. They
>> threw out the gasoline (!) from the process, as there was no use for it
>> prior to the invention of the internal combustion engine
>
> Except that gasoline was used for the pump up lanterns.
Except they weren't invented until close to the 20th century:
Al Bundy
news:tu70e21cl3sb9qrmg...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:54:39 -0500, Al Bundy <postm...@127.0.0.1>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>I stenciled "kerosene" on a plastic gas can and have been using it for
>>>>20 years.
>>>>I don't recommend it because it is too easy to make a mistake. I did
>>>>it in an emergency, and now am too cheap to do otherwise.
>>>
>>> Are you my long lost brother? I've been searching for you for 20
>>> years!
>>>
>>> Maybe I'll take a marker with me, and write kerosene if the guy
>>> insists. Later I can change it to skerosene, so as not to confuse
>>> anyone.
>>> >
>>
>>Again, Red Green comes to the rescue...
>>
>>Remember those things when you (me anyway) were a kid where you wrote on
>>the film over the silver/grey backing? You pulled the film up and it
>>erased the writing for a clean slate. Can't remember what it was called.
>
> I had that and I liked it. I don't remember the name.
Some old memory bubbles have popped out saying Magic Slate" maybe. I think
I used a Magic Marker on it eventually. Figured they were both magic and I
wanted to see magically how this marker that won't come off anything came
off my Magic Slate. "Waaaaaahhhhh! Mommy, my Magic Slate is broke.
Wahhhhhhh!".
So mom tries to fix it by using fingernail polish remover and the film
melts big time.
Guess mom didn't "Know your solvents vs plastics:" and check the the MDS
sheet first, ehhh Richard :-)
mm
wrote:
>
>>>Remember those things when you (me anyway) were a kid where you wrote on
>>>the film over the silver/grey backing? You pulled the film up and it
>>>erased the writing for a clean slate. Can't remember what it was called.
>>
>> I had that and I liked it. I don't remember the name.
>
>Some old memory bubbles have popped out saying Magic Slate" maybe. I think
>I used a Magic Marker on it eventually. Figured they were both magic and I
>wanted to see magically how this marker that won't come off anything came
>off my Magic Slate. "Waaaaaahhhhh! Mommy, my Magic Slate is broke.
>Wahhhhhhh!".
LOL.
We didn't have Magic Markers when I was that age. I don't think
anyone did.
>
>So mom tries to fix it by using fingernail polish remover and the film
>melts big time.
>
>Guess mom didn't "Know your solvents vs plastics:" and check the the MDS
>sheet first, ehhh Richard :-)
Definitely, mom didn't know that chart.
>>
>>>Just duct tape one of those to the can and change at will at the station.
>>
>> Great idea. I should have though of that. ...
So I decided I should fill the other container too, but I only
labelled one. The guy didn't care at all and he filled both of them.
I ended up at a tool rental place. They sell the kerosene for
heaters, and it was 2.89 a gallon from a big tank. And they'll sell
as little as the customer wants.
Not 7 dollars a gallon in a pretty plastic bottle.
But it turns our there aren't many places around that sell it. Later
I thought I shoudl have gone to my favorite hardware store, and I was
there today and they don't sell it. The closest place he could think
of was 15 or 20 miles from here, almost in Pennsylvania. So I wasn't
a fool for not knowing where to go.
Years ago, I bought a quart can, just to spur the wood fire in the
fireplace (using an iron pan with a porous brick in it.) No one seems
to sell the quart can anymore, but I also refilled that, again.
Calvin Henry-Cotnam
>
>In the 19th century petroleum was distilled for kerosene lamp oil. They
>threw out the gasoline (!) from the process, as there was no use for it
>prior to the invention of the internal combustion engine.
<useless trivia mode>
1911 was the first year that the petroleum industry sold more gasoline
than kerosene.
</useless trivia mode>
--
Calvin Henry-Cotnam
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MasonJoshua wrote:
I have alot of knowledge with osha. One tip is plastic is not the way to
got. Look into grainger or northern tools for safety cans. Yes color does
matter but if your going to use plastic you might want to google the msds
ratings on each chemical you put in a can and buy a roll of right to know
stickers. They basically come blank and allow you to right what is in the
container and the values of its stability. If you have any questions feel
free to ask me at mason...@att.net or Jma...@trussway.com. Regulations
are hard to follow and as I learn id love to help others.
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "mm" <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:clqvd2ph2bec5ll8q...@4ax.com...
>> Is it legal for a vendor to put kerosene in a plastic gasoline
>> can?
>> (I assume the opposite is illegal, but I don\'t know about this.)
>>
>> Is there any other reason not to put in in one?
>>
>> If after I\'ve emptied all the kerosene and want to use it for
>> gasoline, if there\'s a little bit of kerosene still in it, will
>> that
>> be a problem for a lawn mower or a car?
> I don\'t know if it is a law, but gas cans are red, kero cans are blue.
> This
> avoids potential problems from mix-ups. Putting gas in a kerosene
> heater
> can be a disaster. It is legal to use a plastic can. If a slight
> residue
> is left, it will easily mix with gas and you\'ll never see a problem in
> a
> mower or car once diluted.
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Stormin Mormon
Of course, ideally, the proper color container for the
proper fuel. As you said, it's wise to label the container
if used in emergency for some other fuel.
A trace of kerosene won't hurt gasoline, if kerosene must be
hauled in a red container.
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Kero should go in a blue or gray can. Red is for gas.
However, in a
bind, you can use a red can without the kero causing the
plastic to
decay or melt. Gasoline is actually more destructive to
plastics than
kero. For example, never put gas in a styrofoam cup because
the cup
will melt in seconds. I have never out kero in a styrofoam
cup, and
would not recommend it, but I have a feeling it would not
melt as
quickly.
With that said, it's NOT LEGAL to put Kero in a red can, but
if you
must do it in an emergency, at least write KEROSENE on the
can with a
permanent marker, or affix some labelled paper with tape.
PS. I have a YELLOW gas can I got at an auction. Does
anyone know
what yellow is for? There is no label. I was going to just
spray
paint it red, but never done it yet.
Tony
> Yellow is for diesel fuel.
>
> Of course, ideally, the proper color container for the
> proper fuel. As you said, it's wise to label the container
> if used in emergency for some other fuel.
>
> A trace of kerosene won't hurt gasoline, if kerosene must be
> hauled in a red container.
I've heard more than one person say they mixed gasoline & kerosene 50-50
back during WWII when there was gasoline rationing. Smoked a bit but no
damage. In todays cars... who knows? I wouldn't want to risk it
killing a bunch of sensors. But like you say, a trace amount won't hurt
anything
hal...@aol.com
I believe yellow is for DIESEL FUEL
Stormin Mormon
Kerosene used to run in some gas enginese, after the motor
was warmed up. They did that at remote pump houses, years
ago. Might still do. Kerosene does go stale, but more slowly
than gasoline.
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terry
> On Sat, 08 May 2010 01:29:06 +0000, masonjoshua_at_att_dot_...@foo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> (MasonJoshua) wrote:
> >responding to
> >http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/Kerosene-in-a-plastic-gasoli...
> >MasonJoshua wrote:
> >I have alot of knowledge with osha. One tip is plastic is not the way to
> >got. Look into grainger or northern tools for safety cans. Yes color does
> >matter but if your going to use plastic you might want to google the msds
> >ratings on each chemical you put in a can and buy a roll of right to know
> >stickers. They basically come blank and allow you to right what is in the
> >container and the values of its stability. If you have any questions feel
> >are hard to follow and as I learn id love to help others.
> >Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> >>news:clqvd2ph2bec5ll8q...@4ax.com...
> >>> Is it legal for a vendor to put kerosene in a plastic gasoline
> >>> can?
> >>> (I assume the opposite is illegal, but I don\'t know about this.)
>
> >>> Is there any other reason not to put in in one?
>
> >>> If after I\'ve emptied all the kerosene and want to use it for
> >>> gasoline, if there\'s a little bit of kerosene still in it, will
> >>> that
> >>> be a problem for a lawn mower or a car?
>
> >> I don\'t know if it is a law, but gas cans are red, kero cans are blue.
> >> This
> >> avoids potential problems from mix-ups. Putting gas in a kerosene
> >> heater
> >> can be a disaster. It is legal to use a plastic can. If a slight
> >> residue
> >> is left, it will easily mix with gas and you\'ll never see a problem in
> >> a
> >> mower or car once diluted.
>
> >-------------------------------------
>
> bind, you can use a red can without the kero causing the plastic to
> decay or melt. Gasoline is actually more destructive to plastics than
> kero. For example, never put gas in a styrofoam cup because the cup
> will melt in seconds. I have never out kero in a styrofoam cup, and
> would not recommend it, but I have a feeling it would not melt as
> quickly.
>
> With that said, it's NOT LEGAL to put Kero in a red can, but if you
> must do it in an emergency, at least write KEROSENE on the can with a
> permanent marker, or affix some labelled paper with tape.
>
> PS. I have a YELLOW gas can I got at an auction. Does anyone know
> what yellow is for? There is no label. I was going to just spray
>
> - Show quoted text -
The only Yellow (plastic) can we have is part of a gadget we use for
vacuuming (sucking), for example, engine oil etc. from something which
ether does not have or has a drain plug that can't be reached!
It has a pump arrangement which screws onto what looks like a standard
filler. When operated it draws 'waste' oil int to yellow plastic
container. The black plastic tubular pump looks very much like those
small plastic ones for inflating an air mattress etc.
terry
>
> - Show quoted text -
Except that it 'sucks'!
April
> mycomputer3 wrote:
>
> On Sat, 08 May 2010 01:29:06 +0000, masonjoshua_a...@foo.com
> bind, you can use a red can without the kero causing the plastic to
> decay or melt. Gasoline is actually more destructive to plastics than
> kero. For example, never put gas in a styrofoam cup because the cup
> will melt in seconds. I have never out kero in a styrofoam cup, and
> would not recommend it, but I have a feeling it would not melt as
> quickly.
> With that said, it's NOT LEGAL to put Kero in a red can, but if you
> must do it in an emergency, at least write KEROSENE on the can with a
> permanent marker, or affix some labelled paper with tape.
> PS. I have a YELLOW gas can I got at an auction. Does anyone know
> what yellow is for? There is no label. I was going to just spray
> paint it red, but never done it yet.
BLUE: kerosene
YELLOW: diesel
I learned this while researching if I can put kerosene into a gasoline
container. I use an indoor kerosene heater to heat my home and I wanted
to purchase one of those fuel pump canisters that hold about 14 gallons at
a time. For some reason, the "diesel" fuel containers are a lot more
expensive than the gasoline ones, so I was trying to figure out why.
--
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Blue is WATER
If you are in the UK, leaded (4 star) gas is red, Unleaded is grean,
and diesel is black.
dpb
...
>> With that said, it's NOT LEGAL to put Kero in a red can, but if you
>> must do it in an emergency, at least write KEROSENE on the can with a
>> permanent marker, or affix some labelled paper with tape.
>> PS. I have a YELLOW gas can I got at an auction. Does anyone know
>> what yellow is for? There is no label. I was going to just spray
>> paint it red, but never done it yet.
>
>
> RED: gasoline
> BLUE: kerosene
> YELLOW: diesel
>
It's only the wondrous State of California thru their octopus CARB that
defines the color coding. CA is large enough it then becomes a de facto
standard, but there's no binding requirement anywhere than in CA.
US DOT, EPA, OSHA care not a whit about color, only the various pieces
of transportation safety design, workplace and environmental for the others.
A color coding isn't a bad thing but it's not mandated other than by CA...
<http://www.arb.ca.gov/consprod/fuel-containers/pfc/pfc.htm>
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bob haller
The amish around PA use kerosene for lamps etc.
Somewhere in the supply chain a mistake was made:( The mostly kerosene had a small amount of gasoline in it.......
Some amish died from exploding kerosene lamps.
Be smart and dont mix fuels or can colors, its just not worth the risk!!
Jerr...@spamblocked.com
>BLUE: kerosene
>YELLOW: diesel
>
>I learned this while researching if I can put kerosene into a gasoline
>container. I use an indoor kerosene heater to heat my home and I wanted
>to purchase one of those fuel pump canisters that hold about 14 gallons at
>a time. For some reason, the "diesel" fuel containers are a lot more
>expensive than the gasoline ones, so I was trying to figure out why.
traded in my diesel tractor for a gas model. (the fuel was always
gelling up in cold weather, even with additives). But aside from the
color, the container is made identical to a red gas can. Kero is almost
identical to diesel, just cleaner burning due to more refining.
Kero will not harm a plastic gas can. However, some places may refuse
to fill a RED can. (I suppose you could paint it blue???).
I used to store Kero in a plastic one gallon milk bottle. That plastic
was not harmed. NOT LEGAL to fill by a seller, though.
Stormin Mormon
>
> I used to store Kero in a plastic one gallon milk bottle. That plastic
> was not harmed. NOT LEGAL to fill by a seller, though.
>
fluid are much stronger. And they can be had
for free out of gas station trash cans. Shake
em out good, and let them dry with the cap off.
Label with permanant marker, so you don't by
accident fill your kero heater with a jug of
water by accident (DAMHIKT)
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.
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cl...@snyder.on.ca
wrote:
>NEVER mix nt of gasoline with kerosene. EXTREME EXPLOSION HAZARD!
>The amish around PA use kerosene for lamps etc.
and some on Naptha or "white gas".
The atmospheric pressure "wick" lamps run kero or lamp oil. The
pressurised mantle lamps run "white gas" and the aladdins run Kero.
Petrmax lanterns are pressure mantle lamps than can be run on alcohol,
as could some Primus and Radius lanterns and lamps.
Stormin Mormon
>>
>> The amish around PA use kerosene for lamps etc.
> And some of their lamps also run on methyl Hydrate (or even ethanol),
> and some on Naptha or "white gas".
>
> The atmospheric pressure "wick" lamps run kero or lamp oil. The
> pressurised mantle lamps run "white gas" and the aladdins run Kero.
> Petrmax lanterns are pressure mantle lamps than can be run on alcohol,
> as could some Primus and Radius lanterns and lamps.
puts out very little light. Kerosene and
petroleum products put out more light.
Not sure about Coleman fuel benzine. I've
got a mantle lamp that uses Coleman fuel,
though I do like propane better.
dpb
> "dpb"<no...@non.net> wrote in message news:m84gpq$u76$1...@dont-email.me...
>> It's only the wondrous State of California thru their octopus CARB that
>> defines the color coding. CA is large enough it then becomes a de facto
>> standard, but there's no binding requirement anywhere than in CA.
>>
>> US DOT, EPA, OSHA care not a whit about color, only the various pieces of
>> transportation safety design, workplace and environmental for the others.
>>
>> A color coding isn't a bad thing but it's not mandated other than by CA...
>>
>> <http://www.arb.ca.gov/consprod/fuel-containers/pfc/pfc.htm>
>>
>
> I don't see anything about color.
doc would be prominent but gotta' look a little.
<https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/pfc/2005/cp501.pdf&sa=U&ei=H_-lVJnvLMP3yQSVuYCoAw&ved=0CAYQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFyyZwBwVHxyTTNoaRzG2ryoLJxyw>
I'm not sure (not being in CA) how they proceeded from the 2005
document; it appears various pieces have been turned into actual
regulations somewhat piecemeal instead of the whole thing in one swell
foop...but there's where the color codes originated, whatever their
actual legal status may be...
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burning fuel that makes the light, it is the flourescing of the
radioactive mantle material. In a lamp designed for alcohol fuel the
mantle is every bit as bright as a propane of gasoline mantle lamp.
Stormin Mormon
> What you need to understand with a mantle lamp is it is NOT the
> burning fuel that makes the light, it is the flourescing of the
> radioactive mantle material. In a lamp designed for alcohol fuel the
> mantle is every bit as bright as a propane of gasoline mantle lamp.
>
"whatever" in Real Coleman (TM) mantles.
That kind of thing?
cl...@snyder.on.ca
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 1/1/2015 9:24 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> What you need to understand with a mantle lamp is it is NOT the
>> burning fuel that makes the light, it is the flourescing of the
>> radioactive mantle material. In a lamp designed for alcohol fuel the
>> mantle is every bit as bright as a propane of gasoline mantle lamp.
>>
>
>I remember some thing about radioactive
>"whatever" in Real Coleman (TM) mantles.
>That kind of thing?
>
Amonia - and then coated with nitrocellulose. Sometimes Berryilium is
also added to strengthen the burned ash. The nitrocellulose stabilizes
the mantle before it is burned, and helps it "burn in"
It is the thorium that makes the mantle glow very bright white - and
over 4 times as bright as the flame that heats it.
Stormin Mormon
> On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 21:27:24 -0500, Stormin Mormon
> <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/1/2015 9:24 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> What you need to understand with a mantle lamp is it is NOT the
>>> burning fuel that makes the light, it is the flourescing of the
>>> radioactive mantle material. In a lamp designed for alcohol fuel the
>>> mantle is every bit as bright as a propane of gasoline mantle lamp.
>>>
>>
>> I remember some thing about radioactive
>> "whatever" in Real Coleman (TM) mantles.
>> That kind of thing?
>>
> Yes. They have Thorium and cerium nitrate in them, precipitated with
> Amonia - and then coated with nitrocellulose. Sometimes Berryilium is
> It is the thorium that makes the mantle glow very bright white - and
> over 4 times as bright as the flame that heats it.
>> -
>> .
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>> .
>
cl...@snyder.on.ca
twice the cost of the standard mantle but they are much more durable.
I used to replace a few mantles a year when camping untill I started
buying the gold mantles - now they go for YEARS.
micky
>On 01/01/2015 12:44 PM, April wrote:
>...
>
>>> With that said, it's NOT LEGAL to put Kero in a red can, but if you
>>> must do it in an emergency, at least write KEROSENE on the can with a
>>> permanent marker, or affix some labelled paper with tape.
>>> PS. I have a YELLOW gas can I got at an auction. Does anyone know
>>> what yellow is for? There is no label. I was going to just spray
>>> paint it red, but never done it yet.
>>
>>
>> RED: gasoline
>> BLUE: kerosene
>> YELLOW: diesel
>>
>...
>
>It's only the wondrous State of California thru their octopus CARB that
>defines the color coding. CA is large enough it then becomes a de facto
>standard, but there's no binding requirement anywhere than in CA.
>
>US DOT, EPA, OSHA care not a whit about color, only the various pieces
>of transportation safety design, workplace and environmental for the others.
antifreeze bottle, maybe yellow for Prestone, and before anyone notices,
fill it with a gallon of gasoline, paid for by credit card in the pump.
Is anyone going to try to stop you before you leave? A policeman who
notices just after you finish filling?
micky
>
>Kero will not harm a plastic gas can. However, some places may refuse
>to fill a RED can. (I suppose you could paint it blue???).
Baltmore, not California.
>I used to store Kero in a plastic one gallon milk bottle. That plastic
>was not harmed. NOT LEGAL to fill by a seller, though.
last 5 years. Hasn't leaked yet.
Stormin Mormon
>
> What happens if you need gas, walk to a gas station with say, an
> antifreeze bottle, maybe yellow for Prestone, and before anyone notices,
> fill it with a gallon of gasoline, paid for by credit card in the pump.
> Is anyone going to try to stop you before you leave? A policeman who
> notices just after you finish filling?
Stormin Mormon
>>
>> I used to store Kero in a plastic one gallon milk bottle. That plastic
>> was not harmed. NOT LEGAL to fill by a seller, though.
>
> I have 32 ounces stored in a clear plastic apple juice bottle, for the
> last 5 years. Hasn't leaked yet.
>
Clean motor bearings? Heat a tent?
Ralph Mowery
"micky" <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> antifreeze bottle, maybe yellow for Prestone, and before anyone notices,
> fill it with a gallon of gasoline, paid for by credit card in the pump.
> Is anyone going to try to stop you before you leave? A policeman who
> notices just after you finish filling?
>>
person selling single cigaretts. They won't go after the big crime, just
the little fellows.
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trader_4
> On 1/2/2015 2:09 AM, micky wrote:
> >
> > What happens if you need gas, walk to a gas station with say, an
> > antifreeze bottle, maybe yellow for Prestone, and before anyone notices,
> > fill it with a gallon of gasoline, paid for by credit card in the pump.
> > Is anyone going to try to stop you before you leave? A policeman who
> > notices just after you finish filling?
>
> Need more information. Are you black?
>
>
Stormin Mormon
>>> Is anyone going to try to stop you before you leave? A policeman who
>>> notices just after you finish filling?
>>
>> Need more information. Are you black?
>>
>>
>
>
> Now that was a good one Stormin. :)
>
Harry K
> "mm" <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > Is it legal for a vendor to put kerosene in a plastic gasoline can?
> > (I assume the opposite is illegal, but I don't know about this.)
> >
> > Is there any other reason not to put in in one?
> >
> > If after I've emptied all the kerosene and want to use it for
> > gasoline, if there's a little bit of kerosene still in it, will that
> > be a problem for a lawn mower or a car?
> >
> > only need it for a few months anyhow.
> >
> I stenciled "kerosene" on a plastic gas can and have been using it for 20
> years.
> I don't recommend it because it is too easy to make a mistake. I did it in
> an emergency, and now am too cheap to do otherwise.
Yep, easy to mistake:
I heat with wood, cut my own. Went out to burn my brush piles one day, stopped filled up two cans, gas (for lawn mower) and diesel (to start fires) both in red cans but one with big yellow spout.
Fire piles were a bit stubborn starting so I was going back and forth adding diesel. Toss a bit WHOOSH!. About the third time I looked down and I was using the gas can and it had a flame flickering at the spout. Slapped my glove on it, retired to the truck for a cup of coffee while my nerves recovered.
Diesel is now in a yellow can (as it should have been then).
Harry K
Harry K
> According to Harry K >
> > Gas and Kero are basically the same. The only difference in the cans
> > is the color.
> > Firemen don't care what is in the can. If it is red or blue they will
> > be treating it as highly flammable.
>
> Firemen do care. I was one for a bit. ;-)
>
> Gasoline is far more of a fire hazard than kerosene or diesel, and
> depending on the circumstances will be treated differently.
> --
> Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
> It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
Actually the part you quoted was by Bundy. I did a poor job of editing.
Yes firemen care greatly!!
Harry K
Frank
garbage can.
I guess we would laugh today if he painted "gas" on his gas can ;)
Oren
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What does a man do with a quart of kero?
>Clean motor bearings? Heat a tent?
micky
>>>
>>> I used to store Kero in a plastic one gallon milk bottle. That plastic
>>> was not harmed. NOT LEGAL to fill by a seller, though.
>>
>> I have 32 ounces stored in a clear plastic apple juice bottle, for the
>> last 5 years. Hasn't leaked yet.
>>
>
>What does a man do with a quart of kero?
>Clean motor bearings? Heat a tent?
Hadn't been ridden since 1979 iirc.
Oh yeah, I also have a cast iron "dish", 3x8", 2" tall with a porous
brick inside, and you pour kerosene on that and use itto start a wood
fire in the fireplace. Works quite well. But sometimes I just use
newspapers, and I don' t have that many fires, so the kerosene will last
a long time.
I might have also saved the dirty half gallon for starting the
fireplace. What does it matter if it's dirty or not.
micky
hand cleaner.
Oren
>On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 15:57:08 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 08:48:43 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What does a man do with a quart of kero?
>>>Clean motor bearings? Heat a tent?
>>
>>Wash his hands to remove grease & grime.
>
>For that I like waterless cleaner in a tube or can, or Boraxo powdered
>hand cleaner.
day we were poor folk and paid less than 25 cents for a gallon of
kerosene.
Stormin Mormon
>>>> What does a man do with a quart of kero?
>>>> Clean motor bearings? Heat a tent?
>>>
>>> Wash his hands to remove grease & grime.
>>
>> For that I like waterless cleaner in a tube or can, or Boraxo powdered
>> hand cleaner.
>
> Sure. Today we have citrus based hand cleaner. I use it. Back in the
> day we were poor folk and paid less than 25 cents for a gallon of
> kerosene.
>
for cleaning hands. Later, we learned it is wicked
toxic. Oops. Known, to the State of California, to
cause cancer.
Ralph Mowery
"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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>>>Wash his hands to remove grease & grime.
>>
>>For that I like waterless cleaner in a tube or can, or Boraxo powdered
>>hand cleaner.
>
> Sure. Today we have citrus based hand cleaner. I use it. Back in the
> day we were poor folk and paid less than 25 cents for a gallon of
> kerosene.
kerosene. That is used to clean the hands.
Oren
<rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>news:m8keaat6flr410r64...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>Wash his hands to remove grease & grime.
>>>
>>>For that I like waterless cleaner in a tube or can, or Boraxo powdered
>>>hand cleaner.
>>
>> Sure. Today we have citrus based hand cleaner. I use it. Back in the
>> day we were poor folk and paid less than 25 cents for a gallon of
>> kerosene.
>
>I have not looked at what is in it, but the GO-JO smells like it is soap and
>kerosene. That is used to clean the hands.
>
had pumice, too. I'm now using _Fast Orange_ citrus based hand cleaner
with aloe, lanolin & glycerin - contains no solvents. Permatex makes
it. Smells like oranges.
DaveT
Tekkie®
>
> NEVER mix nt of gasoline with kerosene. EXTREME EXPLOSION HAZARD!
> The amish around PA use kerosene for lamps etc.
>
>
> Some amish died from exploding kerosene lamps.
>
> Be smart and dont mix fuels or can colors, its just not worth the risk!!
Cite please.
--
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bob haller
Stormin Mormon
>>> Some amish died from exploding kerosene lamps.
>>>
>>> Be smart and dont mix fuels or can colors, its just not worth the risk!!
>>
>> Cite please.
>>
>> --
>> Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*
>
> http://1490newsblog.blogspot.com/2008_08_24_archive.html
>
ceiling high flames, or space heaters gone
nova.
One guy I knew, his less than admirable relative
put coleman fuel in a wick lantern. Not sure if
it was glass base, or metal frame. It went nova,
some how they managed to get it out of the house
to the driveway. I'd ask some details, but no
longer in contact.
-
.
Christopher A. Young
. www.lds.org
.
.
Tekkie®
from the local paper where this supposedly happened and I'll confirm it and
get back.
bob haller
feel free to research this as much as you want. be my guest.
it happened some amish died, and I learened amish are allowed to have internet and fax machines along with electric in their businesses but not their homes.
learned this when news reported the amish were being notified by e mail and fax. I was very surprised
Ordnung Meidung
> it happened some amish died, and I learened amish are allowed to have internet and fax machines along with electric in their businesses but not their homes.
>
> learned this when news reported the amish were being notified by e mail and fax. I was very surprised
A: An Amish drive-by shooting.
Sunrise_2009
Yellow is for diesel
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Cheryl Grosso
Ok so how do I clean out an old gas can to transport kerosene as a temporary
solution. Cold snap hit, and I dire need of heat, kerosene heaters and one
fire place are all I have and the fire place alone is not sufficient. I plan
to purchase proper container when I can but now I need the money to pay for
the kerosene to heat my house.
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rbowman
> replying to Harry K, Cheryl Grosso wrote:
> Ok so how do I clean out an old gas can to transport kerosene as a
> temporary
> solution. Cold snap hit, and I dire need of heat, kerosene heaters
> and one
> fire place are all I have and the fire place alone is not sufficient. I
> plan
> to purchase proper container when I can but now I need the money to pay for
> the kerosene to heat my house.
have to find a colorblind supplier if they're picky.
mako...@yahoo.com
It is spooky to read "Stormin's" old posts...
m
Thomas
Jennifer Nieto
Yellow is for diesel fuel
backhoe
> replying to mycomputer3, Jennifer Nieto wrote:
> Yellow is for diesel fuel
>
* American Public Works Association Uniform Color Codes.
*
* RED – Electric Power Lines, Cables, Conduit, and Lighting Cables.
* YELLOW – Gas, Oil, Steam, Petroleum, or Gaseous Material.
* ORANGE – Communication, Alarm or Signal Lines, Cables, or Conduit.
* BLUE – Potable Water.
* GREEN – Sewers and Drain Lines.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
wrote:
Jennifer
Ed Pawlowski
indicating direction of flow.