hardwood floor finish not applied under DW or fridge
BobC
noticed:
a)that the polyurethane stopped just in front of the dishwasher and the
refrigerator. In other words, the two appliances are sitting over unsanded,
bare wood (this is a new oak floor that replaces many layers of old
vinyl).
b) two wood thresholds, bridging bathroom tile floors and hardwood
hallways, have uncoated areas on the bathroom side, where they meet the
flor.
Q: These are places likely to get pretty wet, and I think they should be
fully coated, or am I being finicky?
c)unlike the floors, which have a smooth finish, the staircase threads are
quite rough and appear to have received fewer finish coats.
Q: would this be on purpose, to make them less slippery?
Many thanks.
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Gordon Shumway
wrote:
No, you are not being finicky. The entire floor, thresholds and
stairs should be finished to the same color, sheen and smoothness. If
this requires moving the kitchen appliances out of the way then that
needs to be done.
If you had your rooms carpeted would you be satisfied if the new
carpet went up to your furniture and stopped? I certainly hope you
haven't paid for this job yet.
jamesgangnc
I agree with sealing the floor under the appliances. Ask the floorer
ro come back and do those places as well. And have him put anopther
coat on the stairs as well if you are not happy with them.
Steve Barker
My question would be why were the appliances in there before the floor
was done? You don't really expect the floor guys to "uninstall" a
dishwasher do you? And where would they move the frige to? They are
not equipped to move a frige.
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Steve Barker
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jamesgangnc
> On 8/18/2010 7:01 AM, BobC wrote:
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> > We just had our hardwood floors finished and while inspecting the work I
> > noticed:
> > a)that the polyurethane stopped just in front of the dishwasher and the
> > refrigerator. In other words, the two appliances are sitting over unsanded,
> > bare wood (this is a new oak floor that replaces many layers of old
> > vinyl).
> > b) two wood thresholds, bridging bathroom tile floors and hardwood
> > hallways, have uncoated areas on the bathroom side, where they meet the
> > flor.
> > Q: These are places likely to get pretty wet, and I think they should be
> > fully coated, or am I being finicky?
> > c)unlike the floors, which have a smooth finish, the staircase threads are
> > quite rough and appear to have received fewer finish coats.
> > Q: would this be on purpose, to make them less slippery?
> > Many thanks.
>
> > _________________________
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> My question would be why were the appliances in there before the floor
> was done? You don't really expect the floor guys to "uninstall" a
> dishwasher do you? And where would they move the frige to? They are
> not equipped to move a frige.
>
> --
> Steve Barker
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Both of those appliances basically just slide out. There may be a
couple screws at the top of the dishwasher and the fridge probably has
something behind the bottom grill to "lower" the front wheels. The
floor guys will br familiar with both. You clearly don't know what
you are talking about. It's common to install finished level floor
under both of them because they are difficult to r&r if they are
sittting below floor level. No doubt the floorer put them back to
make it easier to finish the exposed floor. He didn't want to wait
for the poly to dry so he didn't put any under them. He's trying to
maximize the work he can do in a day and minimize the number of
visits. His other option would have been to move the appliances
completely off the new floor and that was probably a pain as well.
Steve Barker
My point was that they shouldn't have been there to begin with. And yes
i know what i'm talking about. I remodel houses and do most of the work
myself. And yes all appliances "just slide out". After you disconnect
plumbing lines, disconnect electrical, disconnect drains, disconnect
water supply lines, disconnect gas lines. Yes, it's all quite easy
ain't it? Seems to me it would have been easier to just finish the
fucking floor before the appliances went in, that's all.
RicodJour
Since you're asking these questions, I have a question for you - are
you acting as your own general contractor and did you hire the floor
finisher? If so, you didn't communicate properly and you relied on an
assumption.
The floor should definitely be finished under the appliances, and the
floor should be finished before the appliances are installed. If the
floor is refinished, then there's usually no need to remove the
appliances to refinish an area that has seen no wear.
As far as the stairs, they're harder to do smoothly than an open
floor, but they shouldn't be rough, and, if anything, they should have
more coats of finish rather than fewer. Did you count the coats or
are you basing it on how it looks?
R
RicodJour
I've gotta agree with you on this one. In the union world it's simple
- you can't touch other people's areas of work. In the residential
world it gets a bit muddier.
R
jamesgangnc
Neither of those have anything other than electrical and water/drain.
No gas. You asked why the appliances were there, the appliances were
already there before the guy started. Any contractor doing flooring
in kitchens is going to deal with the appliances. Most homeowners are
not going to relocate the appliances themselves.
A contractor would prefer to do all the poly at once and be done. He
doesn't want to do a few small spaces and then have to wait a day. He
also doesn't want to have to move the appliances very far. So the
appliances probably got pulled out while they put down the hardwood
and then put back right away. Might not have even been disconnected.
Since the appliances were there before he started, he just tried to
minimize his handling of them.
For someone at home it is easier to finish the floor before putting
them back in. Or moving them out of the room completely. But that's
because most of us don't mind waiting another day and are not looking
for shortcuts.
RES
"BobC" <rdc9@n_o_s_p_a_m.me.com> wrote in message
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Why were appliances returned to the kitchen before the flooring was
finished. They obviously had to be removed for the flooring to be
installed. My guess is that the finisher had not planned on removing them
prior to finishing the floor.
The "holidays" on the thresholds are inexcusable and need a return visit by
the finisher.
The stair treads need to be smooth. If they're not satisfactory, the a
return visit by the finisher is needed. They are not left rough for any
reason I know of.
Nonny
RicodJour
>
> Neither of those have anything other than electrical and water/drain.
> No gas. You asked why the appliances were there, the appliances were
> already there before the guy started. Any contractor doing flooring
> in kitchens is going to deal with the appliances. Most homeowners are
> not going to relocate the appliances themselves.
Any contractor doing floors does not like messing with plumbing,
electrical, etc. It's not their business. The guys finishing the
floor are getting paid fifteen or twenty an hour - maybe, and their
experience is in finishing floors, not plumbing or moving appliances.
They probably could move the appliances..and _almost_ without ever
having a problem. If there is a problem, the downside is a lot
steeper than the upside.
> A contractor would prefer to do all the poly at once and be done. He
> doesn't want to do a few small spaces and then have to wait a day. He
> also doesn't want to have to move the appliances very far. So the
> appliances probably got pulled out while they put down the hardwood
> and then put back right away. Might not have even been disconnected.
> Since the appliances were there before he started, he just tried to
> minimize his handling of them.
>
> For someone at home it is easier to finish the floor before putting
> them back in. Or moving them out of the room completely. But that's
> because most of us don't mind waiting another day and are not looking
> for shortcuts.
Shortcuts? Who made the decision to put appliances on an unfinished
floor? THAT was the shortcut, and it backfired. Whoever installed
the appliances ahead of time and out of the normal schedule, should
have been called back to remove them, and then replace them after the
floor is finished. If the owner created the problem and told them to
do it, or allowed them to do it (inexperience), it's his nut.
R
hr(bob) hofmann@att.net
Have you already paid for the whole job, if not, make a phone call
quickly, and be prepared to do without the appliances installed for a
day while the urethane dries. If you already paid, about the best you
are likely to get is a can of urethane and a brush and be told to do
it yourself.
jamesgangnc
Some of you guys are idiots. The op hired someone to replace some
flooring with hardwood including the kitchen. That flooring
contractor is not going to sub out moving two appliances. The
flooring contrator is going to do it himself.
RicodJour
Interesting. I did not realize you were clairvoyant, oh mighty
Swami! The OP posted once, never mentioned the contracting
arrangement (hence my asking him in my first post what the situation
was) and you have no more information than I do. Yet, you seem
confident enough to start calling people idiots. Please.
A reasonably intelligent flooring contractor is not going to be stupid
enough to remove the appliances, install the floor, then put the
appliances back before they've finished the floor. I could come up
with about five or six likely scenarios, but I have no real clue what
happened. Again, that's why I asked.
Here's the deal - I don't need you telling me what you _know_ what
happened as you don't have any more information than I do. Let's wait
for the OP to reply. Sound fair?
R
benick
news:0830fa30-d142-4687...@p7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
R
DITTO..The appliances should NOT be installed before the floor is done and
the finish CURED but I bet they were at the homeowners request...It's kind
of a bitch going without them for a week or more but that's part of the
price you pay for the real stuff..The fridg and microwave could have been
plugged in anywhere such as the garage or spare room , ect. and used...Good
excuse to BBQ all week and doing dishes by hand in the bathroom or laundry
room ain't that bad...LOL....Perhaps we will get the rest of the story from
the OP....
hr(bob) hofmann@att.net
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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He has been strangely quiet
Smitty Two
<8bbf84d2-53e1-4407...@z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
"hr(bob) hof...@att.net" <hrho...@att.net> wrote:
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> He has been strangely quiet
Not strange at all. He posted from one of those mother-fucking scam
websites, the ones that mirror newsgroups in order to generate income
for themselves. Half of the posts from those places are fake, posted by
the site owner to generate discussion and boost site visibility. The
other half are from idiots too stupid to find their way back to the site
for a follow-up. If y'all would quit engaging them, the sites would die
out.
RicodJour
> "hr(bob) hofm...@att.net" <hrhofm...@att.net> wrote:
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> > He has been strangely quiet
>
> Not strange at all. He posted from one of those mother-fucking scam
> websites, the ones that mirror newsgroups in order to generate income
> for themselves. Half of the posts from those places are fake, posted by
> the site owner to generate discussion and boost site visibility. The
> other half are from idiots too stupid to find their way back to the site
> for a follow-up. If y'all would quit engaging them, the sites would die
> out.
I hadn't noticed that. Hmmm. I just checked and this is a _brand_
new web site meant to hoover up newsgroups. Anyone for a little
http://www.BetterHomePortal.com bashing? You know, welcome the stupid
mofos to the neighborhood.
R
BobC
I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to reply to my posting. This
forum is a great resource, especially for a (slightly wiser now) first-time
renovator. Your input is very valuable in helping me decide how to
proceed--- and I hope to post a positive follow-up sometime soon.
aemeijers
I'll throw in on the stair treads- you don't want them glossy-smooth
like a piano top. More of a satin finish is what to shoot for.
Otherwise, anybody on those stair just wearing socks on their feet is at
risk of falling on their ass. Kids and older folks especially. BTDT, etc.
--
aem sends...
BobC
aem, thanks for your opinion.
evanee...@gmail.com
Uncle Monster
[8~{} Uncle Space Monster
Ed Pawlowski
were out of the way to install the floor. Those spots should have had
finish applied before they were put back. If you look at the original
post, spots were missed on a bathroom threshold too. Sounds like shoddy
work.
The question is, sho put the appliances back? Homeowner may have been
part of it but the flooring guy should have contacted them before doing
a crap job. As a foreman, what would your company have done?
trader_4
And what did the contract say? I can move my own appliances, but for sure
if you're a flooring company and you refuse to do so, you're going to lose
business to competitors who do, even if they charge a bit more, with
customers who can't or won't move the appliances themselves.