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Caulki...@work.com
Dec 9, 2013, 4:28:36 AM12/9/13
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*** THE BIG QUESTION ***
Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
They always used lamps, which meant stumbling around in the dark to get
to the lamp switch. My own house had the same issue, I added a light
immediately after I movd in. Few homes that I've been in which were
built before the 1990s had them.
Once again, I'm reminded of this stupidity in a trailer house I'm
redoing. It was built in 1979. The main door enters the living room,
and the only two switches at that door control the outside light and a
small hallway light, which is a long ways from the door, and does little
to illuminate the living room.
I already intend to install a light right above the door, and another
one in the middle of the living room. But in a trailer, it's not easy
to remove the interlocking ceiling panels. I'll likely end up using
Wiremold right over the ceiling rather than rip the ceiling apart and
fishing wire is near impossible on a trailer..
Sure, lamps have their place, and some people, especially women seem to
like them. But why not have a ceiling light ALSO. I'm curious how this
practice came to exist. Does anyone know? In this case I can not see
saving money as a good enough reason. 20 feet of wire, a switch and a
cheap fixture is all that is needed. It almost seems like there was
some evil curse regarding having a ceiling light in a living room, or
some religious reasoning. I'm glad most new homes have stopped this
stupidity.
Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
They always used lamps, which meant stumbling around in the dark to get
to the lamp switch. My own house had the same issue, I added a light
immediately after I movd in. Few homes that I've been in which were
built before the 1990s had them.
Once again, I'm reminded of this stupidity in a trailer house I'm
redoing. It was built in 1979. The main door enters the living room,
and the only two switches at that door control the outside light and a
small hallway light, which is a long ways from the door, and does little
to illuminate the living room.
I already intend to install a light right above the door, and another
one in the middle of the living room. But in a trailer, it's not easy
to remove the interlocking ceiling panels. I'll likely end up using
Wiremold right over the ceiling rather than rip the ceiling apart and
fishing wire is near impossible on a trailer..
Sure, lamps have their place, and some people, especially women seem to
like them. But why not have a ceiling light ALSO. I'm curious how this
practice came to exist. Does anyone know? In this case I can not see
saving money as a good enough reason. 20 feet of wire, a switch and a
cheap fixture is all that is needed. It almost seems like there was
some evil curse regarding having a ceiling light in a living room, or
some religious reasoning. I'm glad most new homes have stopped this
stupidity.
Bill
Dec 9, 2013, 5:16:09 AM12/9/13
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On 12/09/2013 04:28 AM, Caulki...@work.com wrote:
> *** THE BIG QUESTION ***
>
> Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
>
How about some nice track lighting?
> *** THE BIG QUESTION ***
>
> Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
>
(No, not that cheap shit at McLowesDepot)
Check this out:
http://www.inmygarage.com/porsche-guys-night-in-the-man-cave/
Ed Pawlowski
Dec 9, 2013, 6:09:19 AM12/9/13
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On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 03:28:36 -0600, Caulki...@work.com wrote:
>*** THE BIG QUESTION ***
>
>Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
>
>When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
>They always used lamps, which meant stumbling around in the dark to get
>to the lamp switch. My own house had the same issue, I added a light
>immediately after I movd in. Few homes that I've been in which were
>built before the 1990s had them.
>
>
>*** THE BIG QUESTION ***
>
>Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
>
>When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
>They always used lamps, which meant stumbling around in the dark to get
>to the lamp switch. My own house had the same issue, I added a light
>immediately after I movd in. Few homes that I've been in which were
>built before the 1990s had them.
>
>
>Sure, lamps have their place, and some people, especially women seem to
>like them. But why not have a ceiling light ALSO. I'm curious how this
>practice came to exist. Does anyone know? In this case I can not see
>saving money as a good enough reason.
Probably money saving started it. Personally, I hate a ceiling light
>like them. But why not have a ceiling light ALSO. I'm curious how this
>practice came to exist. Does anyone know? In this case I can not see
>saving money as a good enough reason.
in a living room. They are too harsh for extended use, watching TV,
or just simple conversation. Too shadowy for reading. Some LR do have
a receptacle on a switch so entering the room you have light. Rarely
have a problem as my light is on a timer. Just like this morning, it
went on for a while when I got up and will come on again at dusk.
Nate Nagel
Dec 9, 2013, 7:33:38 AM12/9/13
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Art Todesco
Dec 9, 2013, 9:28:57 AM12/9/13
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20s, there were ceiling lights in both the dining room and the living
room. The units were very similar in design, except that the one in the
dining room hung from a chain and the one in the living room was snug
against the ceiling. Each room had 2 wall sconces which matched the
ceiling lights. In the late 40s they had a problem with the living room
ceiling and had to have it re-plastered. They removed the fixture.
Years later (I was born in 1947), I found a semi hidden box in the
unfinished attic and asked my mother about it. Sure enough, it was from
the ceiling light. The reason I call it semi hidden was that the box
was still in place. You couldn't get to the wiring without making a
hole in the living room ceiling. Anyway, the fixture is long gone and
so are the sconces. I remember when the "out-of-date" sconces were
removed in the 50s. Now people would love to have the sconces and it
would be easy to put them back. The wiring and boxes are all still
hidden behind the plaster. : ) In the 70s, I put sconces in my living
room (new house) and when selling in 2007-2008, the real estate agent
said they were 'dated'. Now I see them again in homes. Also, in my
parents house, there were lights on the bedroom ceilings, with a pull
chain, no less. I later put wall switches in the bedrooms in the late
60s. When buying my home in the early 70s, virtually none had ceiling
lights in the bedrooms. Now, many do, however, they usually have fans
attached, but, personally, I really don't know for what reason.
badgolferman
Dec 9, 2013, 10:04:23 AM12/9/13
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room although every other room does. It does however have receptacles
that are controlled by wall switches so a lamp can be turned on/off in
that way.
My wife wanted recessed lights installed in the living room so I put
six halogens on a dimmer spaced evenly up there. She always turns
those on but I hate them and revert back to the lamps. They produce
too much glare and bother me when watching TV. The only time I use
them is when I set up the ping-pong table. Even then I must turn on
the free standing halogen lamp to get adequate lighting in the room.
NotMe
Dec 9, 2013, 10:30:00 AM12/9/13
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micky
Dec 9, 2013, 11:18:56 AM12/9/13
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>*** THE BIG QUESTION ***
>
>Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
I don't think it was cost cutting. I think it was style. I've seen
>
>Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
too many LRs that have, where the fixture had been, a sort of ornate,
almost victorian, plaster? thing, the same color as the ceiling, 8 or
10" across, with a cone, even more tapered at the top, with maybe 12
grooves around the circumference, ending 4 to 6" below the ceiling in
a little nipple. IIRC sometimes there are 4 little nipples only an
inch below the ceiling two or three inches from the center. I don't
know the name or have a picture of this.
>
>When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
>They always used lamps, which meant stumbling around in the dark to get
When I read this I had a clear recolllection, for the first time in
>When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
>They always used lamps, which meant stumbling around in the dark to get
maybe 40 years, of there being a light switch at the entrance to our
living room, house built just before wwii. What a strange feeling to
think of this. In 1945, my parents must have been the second owners.
But the switch did't do anything afaict. Maybe it turned off a lamp
or more but I couldnt' tell because it was already off. We never
used the switch, just the switches on the lamps. I guess because
there was light from the hall or dining room, if not the windows.
After all, the LR had no door to the outside, so someone had to have
come through another room.
>to the lamp switch. My own house had the same issue, I added a light
>immediately after I movd in. Few homes that I've been in which were
>built before the 1990s had them.
on the ceiling in the LR or 3 BRs. I put one in my BR and the br I
use as an office. I like them very much, use them all the time,
would hate to have to live without them. The LR would have been
much harder to do becaue the space above it is finished.
=
Dec 9, 2013, 11:36:20 AM12/9/13
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"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
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Center-of-ceiling lights in the living room provide general light, not "task
light" for reading, TV, etc. and it hard to control the glare.
But home builders are increasingly using down lights (cans, pot lights or
whatever you want to call them). They're less glaring and typically less
expensive than suspended or surface-mounted fixtures. The number of lights
in the average U.S. home has gone from 37 (2002) to 67 (2010), but some of
that increase is due to larger home size. Another thing is that building
practice varies quite a bit. Lamps per living room vary from 4 to 8
depending upon the state according to a DOE report. In my area (midwest),
it would be hard to find any home new or 20-30 years old without a downlight
or two in the living room.
Tomsic
Mark Lloyd
Dec 9, 2013, 12:16:24 PM12/9/13
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On 12/09/2013 03:28 AM, Caulki...@work.com wrote:
> *** THE BIG QUESTION ***
>
> Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
>
> When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
[snip]
> *** THE BIG QUESTION ***
>
> Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
>
> When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
My parents bought a new house in 1969, it was still under construction
and had just been wired but the wiring hadn't yet been covered. The
living room had a switched outlet and NO ceiling light. My father
insisted on a normal light fixture. Now, there are 2 switches by the
door: one for the light and one for the switched outlet.
I now live in a different house, built at about that time. It had the
same problem. I added a ceiling light / fan.
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Ralph Mowery
Dec 9, 2013, 12:51:46 PM12/9/13
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"Mark Lloyd" <ma...@this.is.not.email.invalid> wrote in message
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> My parents bought a new house in 1969, it was still under construction and
> had just been wired but the wiring hadn't yet been covered. The living
> room had a switched outlet and NO ceiling light. My father insisted on a
> normal light fixture. Now, there are 2 switches by the door: one for the
> light and one for the switched outlet.
>
center. I now live in a house built about 1985. It has both, a light in
the center of the room and one outlet that is switched.
I lived in a duplex apartment , not sure when it was built but it was before
1950. It was old enough that in the living room there was a brass plate
with radio antenna terminals on it. One went to a wire that ran the length
of the apartment and the other went to a rod in the ground. It had a living
room, bed room, another big room and a kitchen and bath. The living room
had only the switch for the over head light. The fuse box only had 2 20 amp
fuses in it.
Not sure how the electric stove or electric water heater was fused or hooked
in.
Higgs Boson
Dec 9, 2013, 4:22:50 PM12/9/13
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On Monday, December 9, 2013 1:28:36 AM UTC-8, Caulki...@work.com wrote:
> *** THE BIG QUESTION ***
>
>
>
> Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
>
>
> When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
>
> They always used lamps, which meant stumbling around in the dark to get
>
> to the lamp switch. My own house had the same issue, I added a light
>
> immediately after I movd in. Few homes that I've been in which were
>
> built before the 1990s had them.
My LR also did not have ceiling lights and I wouldn't have wanted to install them. Doesn't suit my "style". I simply use a timer off a wall switch to put lights on at dusk and off at bedtime (just gotta remember to adjust the timer to the season). So no need to "stumble around in the dark". I also have one torchiere to light a rocker in a corner if needed.
> *** THE BIG QUESTION ***
>
>
>
> Why did they always neglect to install living room lights in the past?
>
>
> When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
>
> They always used lamps, which meant stumbling around in the dark to get
>
> to the lamp switch. My own house had the same issue, I added a light
>
> immediately after I movd in. Few homes that I've been in which were
>
> built before the 1990s had them.
[...]
HB
willshak
Dec 9, 2013, 4:23:38 PM12/9/13
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ceiling outlets in all rooms, except the kitchen and bathrooms. They
were mainly for ceiling fans, except for the dining room which only has
a chandelier. The living room and bedroom fans had light fixtures
attached. The lights are barely used.
They just don't have the ambiance of table lamps.
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DerbyDad03
Dec 9, 2013, 4:26:33 PM12/9/13
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My house was built in 1956. It had no ceiling fixtures except in the eat-in
kitchen, with one above the table area and one above the main work area.
The bedrooms all had 1 switched receptacle, the living room had one
switched receptacle controlled by 2 three-way switches, one by the front
door and one in the kitchen by the opening between the LR and kitchen.
Soon after moving in I made the switched receptacles in the bedrooms
permanently hot and installed ceiling fixtures controlled by the original
switches. The switched receptacle in the LR is still there, but we don't
ever use it. We have lamps with dimmers built in that we prefer to operate
manually.
I also made a lot of other electrical changes to the house, mainly because
of the convenience factor. Some of the things that the previous 6 person
family put up with for 30 years made no sense to me. A switch in the
kitchen controlled one light fixture at the bottom of the basement stairs.
Once you were down there you had to use pull chain fixtures in various
locations to turn on the other lights, even within the main room of the
basement. I replaced the fixtures with better ones for more even lighting
and wired them so they all come on at the same time. Such a simple fix...I
can't believe they dealt with individual pull chain fixtures for 30 years.
There was a switch by the front door that controlled the light in the foyer
closet. You had to turn one way to flip the switch and then turn around to
use the closet, repeating the process in reverse when you were done. I
jumped around the wall switch and added a switch in the closet. Open door,
flip switch. So much easier.
Oh yeah, this isn't electrical, but the previous family (4 kids) could
_see_ the backyard through 2 side-by-side double hung windows in the family
room, but the only way to get to the backyard was to go out the front door
and then around the house to the back or go down the basement stairs (to
the front of the house), make a U-turn and go through the basement to the
back door. Our first summer there I built a deck off of the family room
with stairs to the backyard and replaced the windows with a patio door. My
4 kids had a much easier time getting to the backyard than their 4 kids
did.
willshak
Dec 9, 2013, 4:49:16 PM12/9/13
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I got lost in thinking about ceiling fans in the kitchen and bathrooms
and made a mistake.
The bathrooms and kitchen certainly had ceiling outlets installed for
lights.
They are used all the time.
nestork
Dec 9, 2013, 6:06:38 PM12/9/13
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Caulki...@work.com;3162923 Wrote:
>
> When I was a kid, my parents home did not have a living room light.
> They always used lamps, which meant stumbling around in the dark to get
> to the lamp switch.
switch.
Whenever a ceiling light fixture isn't provided in a room, there will be
switched receptacles available for plugging lamps into. So, you leave
the lamps on all the time, and simply use the wall switch to turn power
on and off to them.
I really don't know where that practice of not having a ceiling light
fixture in a living room started, but in all 21 of my living rooms,
there isn't a single ceiling light fixture. But, every bedroom, dining
room, kitchen and bathroom in my building has a light fixture.
--
nestork
k...@attt.bizz
Dec 9, 2013, 7:12:57 PM12/9/13
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a ceiling light in our livingroom and I hate the thing. It's ugly and
we haven't found anything that would work better. I haven't been able
to find any decent ceiling lights that are powerful enough to do any
good (the ceiling is 15'). Floor and table lamps are a much better
solution.
Stormin Mormon
Dec 9, 2013, 7:17:43 PM12/9/13
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On 12/9/2013 4:22 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
>
> My LR also did not have ceiling lights and I
wouldn't have wanted to install them. Doesn't
suit my "style". I simply use a timer off a wall
switch to put lights on at dusk and off at bedtime
(just gotta remember to adjust the timer to the
season). So no need to "stumble around in the
dark". I also have one torchiere to light a
rocker in a corner if needed.
>
> [...]
>
> HB
>
>
You should do some research. There should be a
>
> My LR also did not have ceiling lights and I
wouldn't have wanted to install them. Doesn't
suit my "style". I simply use a timer off a wall
switch to put lights on at dusk and off at bedtime
(just gotta remember to adjust the timer to the
season). So no need to "stumble around in the
dark". I also have one torchiere to light a
rocker in a corner if needed.
>
> [...]
>
> HB
>
>
government guideline, how to set the timer to
reduce your carbon foot print, and cut down on
energy usage. I do hope you are using CFL and LED
bulbs, to further reduce our dependance on oil?
Please print out the guidelines, and tack them
to the wall next to the switch, in case the
inspectors arrive.
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Cindy Hamilton
Dec 10, 2013, 10:27:59 AM12/10/13
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In article <l85ccs$3sj$4...@dont-email.me>,
one of the bedrooms when we moved in. One other bedroom had a
cheap bigbox ceiling fan, with lights (certainly a retrofit);
the other bedroom has an ordinary light fixture. The dining room
had what may charitably be called a chandelier; it's gone now
(succumbed to extreme ugliness). The kitchen had a 2-ft square
fluorescent oak box kind of thing--the oak box prevented any
light from bouncing around the ceiling and the room always looked
dark and dismal.
At this point it would be difficult to say what the original
configuration was. We typically use the living room and bedroom
ceiling fixtures only when cleaning. Otherwise we use a variety of
lamps.
I like the ceiling fans that we now have in the living room and two
of the bedrooms. Good to keep that air moving, especially after
broccoli has been consumed.
Cindy Hamilton
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willshak <will...@00hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>When I built my house in 1984, I had the electrician install center
>ceiling outlets in all rooms, except the kitchen and bathrooms. They
>were mainly for ceiling fans, except for the dining room which only has
>a chandelier. The living room and bedroom fans had light fixtures
>attached. The lights are barely used.
>They just don't have the ambiance of table lamps.
Our house was built in 1948. No ceiling fixture in the living room or
>
>When I built my house in 1984, I had the electrician install center
>ceiling outlets in all rooms, except the kitchen and bathrooms. They
>were mainly for ceiling fans, except for the dining room which only has
>a chandelier. The living room and bedroom fans had light fixtures
>attached. The lights are barely used.
>They just don't have the ambiance of table lamps.
one of the bedrooms when we moved in. One other bedroom had a
cheap bigbox ceiling fan, with lights (certainly a retrofit);
the other bedroom has an ordinary light fixture. The dining room
had what may charitably be called a chandelier; it's gone now
(succumbed to extreme ugliness). The kitchen had a 2-ft square
fluorescent oak box kind of thing--the oak box prevented any
light from bouncing around the ceiling and the room always looked
dark and dismal.
At this point it would be difficult to say what the original
configuration was. We typically use the living room and bedroom
ceiling fixtures only when cleaning. Otherwise we use a variety of
lamps.
I like the ceiling fans that we now have in the living room and two
of the bedrooms. Good to keep that air moving, especially after
broccoli has been consumed.
Cindy Hamilton
--
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Mark Lloyd
Dec 10, 2013, 5:25:36 PM12/10/13
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On 12/09/2013 03:22 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
[snip]
> My LR also did not have ceiling lights and I wouldn't have wanted to install them. Doesn't suit my "style". I
> simply use a timer off a wall switch to put lights on at dusk and off at bedtime (just gotta remember to adjust
> the timer to the season). So no need to "stumble around in the dark".
>
> [...]
>
> HB
>
>
I use such a timer. I have a list of average sunset times for each month
(14 months because of Damn Stupid Time).
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[snip]
> My LR also did not have ceiling lights and I wouldn't have wanted to install them. Doesn't suit my "style". I
> simply use a timer off a wall switch to put lights on at dusk and off at bedtime (just gotta remember to adjust
> the timer to the season). So no need to "stumble around in the dark".
>
>
> HB
>
>
I use such a timer. I have a list of average sunset times for each month
(14 months because of Damn Stupid Time).
--
15 days until The winter celebration (Wednesday December 25, 2013 12:00
"With soap, baptism is a good thing." [Robert G. Ingersoll]
sam E
Dec 10, 2013, 5:27:34 PM12/10/13
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On 12/09/2013 03:23 PM, willshak wrote:
>The lights are barely used.
> They just don't have the ambiance of table lamps.
>
Ambiance? I'd rather have light (-:
>The lights are barely used.
> They just don't have the ambiance of table lamps.
>
Caulki...@work.com
Dec 10, 2013, 7:01:57 PM12/10/13
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relax and watch tv, during which times a table lamp may be preferred,
but it's also a place I use to work on projects, do paperwork, and a lot
of other things. If the room had a ceiling light (which I wish it did),
I'd use it when I wanted it, and turn it off when not desired. Plus, in
my case, the LR is the room where the entry door is. When I walk into
the house with a bunch of groceries or other stuff in my hands, I want
to be able to flip a switch and see instantly.
More is not always "the best", but in this case, MORE LIGHT and more
lighting options, are best & preferred. Give me a ceiling light AND
some lamps, and I'm happy.
Ed Pawlowski
Dec 10, 2013, 9:17:55 PM12/10/13
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On 12/10/2013 7:01 PM, Caulki...@work.com wrote:
>
> There you go..... I feel the same way. My living room is a place to
> relax and watch tv, during which times a table lamp may be preferred,
> but it's also a place I use to work on projects, do paperwork, and a lot
> of other things. If the room had a ceiling light (which I wish it did),
> I'd use it when I wanted it, and turn it off when not desired. Plus, in
> my case, the LR is the room where the entry door is. When I walk into
> the house with a bunch of groceries or other stuff in my hands, I want
> to be able to flip a switch and see instantly.
>
> More is not always "the best", but in this case, MORE LIGHT and more
> lighting options, are best & preferred. Give me a ceiling light AND
> some lamps, and I'm happy.
>
Let there be light.
>
> There you go..... I feel the same way. My living room is a place to
> relax and watch tv, during which times a table lamp may be preferred,
> but it's also a place I use to work on projects, do paperwork, and a lot
> of other things. If the room had a ceiling light (which I wish it did),
> I'd use it when I wanted it, and turn it off when not desired. Plus, in
> my case, the LR is the room where the entry door is. When I walk into
> the house with a bunch of groceries or other stuff in my hands, I want
> to be able to flip a switch and see instantly.
>
> More is not always "the best", but in this case, MORE LIGHT and more
> lighting options, are best & preferred. Give me a ceiling light AND
> some lamps, and I'm happy.
>
I have the LV and FR lights on timers so they will be on when we get
home with the groceries. I get up at 5:30 AM and a light goes on in the
living room.
Driveway has a light with motion detector. Outdoor light is also on a
timer.
We also have had an under counter light in the kitchen that never gets
turned off. Been a homeowner for 47 years and that light has been on all
that time, day and night. I just put an LED light there.
In spite of all those light we do not have, nor do we want a ceiling
light in the LR.
superman...@gmail.com
Nov 8, 2017, 2:10:36 PM11/8/17
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Everyone has answered this question. Not realizing they’ve answered it.
“Tv”
Back when TVs became commercially available for homes many people couldn’t afford more than one. So the single television in the home would go in the “family room” (hence the name) where everyone in the family would gather to watch the tele.
Since the tele emitted light, there was no point in putting a light in there. Plus light would interfere with being able to view the tele.
So it saved builders money to not put them in there. It worked well for the buyer because they didn’t have the light in there to interfere with tv viewing.
Ed Pawlowski
Nov 8, 2017, 4:25:15 PM11/8/17
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Ceiling lights give harsh lighting and people prefer to use lamps with
shades for easy on the eyes lighting with less shadowing. Even with a
TV is is usually best to have some other light on.
Thomas
Nov 8, 2017, 5:32:14 PM11/8/17
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How about gas lines running in all rooms for light.
Younguns
Younguns
Bobby Axelrod
Nov 8, 2017, 6:33:36 PM11/8/17
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I don't lie to myself, and I don't hold on to a loser.
Ed Pawlowski
Nov 8, 2017, 7:07:00 PM11/8/17
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On 11/8/2017 5:32 PM, Thomas wrote:
> How about gas lines running in all rooms for light.
> Younguns
>
Never saw them lit, but my one grandmother's house built in 1910 had
> How about gas lines running in all rooms for light.
> Younguns
>
them. No central heat back then. Coal stove in the kitchen. When my
father was a kid (1920as) they would warm a brick on the stove and put
it in the bed at night.
Thomas
Nov 8, 2017, 8:08:30 PM11/8/17
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I am an Aladdjn oil lamp fan. One burnnng 28 jnches from me.
Mark Lloyd
Nov 8, 2017, 8:48:20 PM11/8/17
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On 11/08/2017 03:25 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
[snip]
> Not true. They did not put lights in even before TV was invented.
> Ceiling lights give harsh lighting and people prefer to use lamps with
> shades for easy on the eyes lighting with less shadowing. Even with a
> TV is is usually best to have some other light on.
But not in the middle of the room, where it's likely between you and the
TV. The middle of the room is also a bad place for a light, when you're
reading.
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"Q: 'Let us pray for understanding and for compassion.' Picard: 'Let us
do no such damn thing.'"
[snip]
> Not true. They did not put lights in even before TV was invented.
> Ceiling lights give harsh lighting and people prefer to use lamps with
> shades for easy on the eyes lighting with less shadowing. Even with a
> TV is is usually best to have some other light on.
TV. The middle of the room is also a bad place for a light, when you're
reading.
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47 days until the winter celebration (Monday December 25, 2017 12:00:00
AM for 1 day).
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/
Mark Lloyd
"Q: 'Let us pray for understanding and for compassion.' Picard: 'Let us
do no such damn thing.'"
Bill Gill
Nov 9, 2017, 9:06:28 AM11/9/17
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On 11/8/2017 7:48 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 11/08/2017 03:25 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Not true. They did not put lights in even before TV was invented.
>> Ceiling lights give harsh lighting and people prefer to use lamps with
>> shades for easy on the eyes lighting with less shadowing. Even with a
>> TV is is usually best to have some other light on.
>
> But not in the middle of the room, where it's likely between you and the
> TV. The middle of the room is also a bad place for a light, when you're
> reading.
>
That's why they sold TV lights. A lamp with a solid front that
> On 11/08/2017 03:25 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Not true. They did not put lights in even before TV was invented.
>> Ceiling lights give harsh lighting and people prefer to use lamps with
>> shades for easy on the eyes lighting with less shadowing. Even with a
>> TV is is usually best to have some other light on.
>
> But not in the middle of the room, where it's likely between you and the
> TV. The middle of the room is also a bad place for a light, when you're
> reading.
>
sat on top of the TV, so the light shone on the wall.
Bill
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
Nov 9, 2017, 9:38:49 AM11/9/17
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On 11/8/2017 11:10 AM, superman...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> “Tv”
>
> Back when TVs became commercially available for homes many people couldn’t afford more than one. So the single television in the home would go in the “family room” (hence the name) where everyone in the family would gather to watch the tele.
>
> Since the tele emitted light, there was no point in putting a light in there. Plus light would interfere with being able to view the tele.
>
> So it saved builders money to not put them in there. It worked well for the buyer because they didn’t have the light in there to interfere with tv viewing.
>
Well, that don't make much sense to anybuddy with a brain, but oh well...
>
> “Tv”
>
> Back when TVs became commercially available for homes many people couldn’t afford more than one. So the single television in the home would go in the “family room” (hence the name) where everyone in the family would gather to watch the tele.
>
> Since the tele emitted light, there was no point in putting a light in there. Plus light would interfere with being able to view the tele.
>
> So it saved builders money to not put them in there. It worked well for the buyer because they didn’t have the light in there to interfere with tv viewing.
>
The correct answer is there are no lights in uh living room (Pleasance and I call it a salon) until some feller puts some lights in there.
See, the correct answer is usually the simple one.
Questions?
Ed Pawlowski
Nov 9, 2017, 10:04:57 AM11/9/17
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https://www.amazon.com/Luminoodle-TV-Bias-Lighting-Backlight/dp/B01BKU7B7I
gfre...@aol.com
Nov 9, 2017, 12:36:36 PM11/9/17
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On Wed, 8 Nov 2017 11:10:32 -0800 (PST), superman...@gmail.com
wrote:
The NEC still requires a "lighting outlet" in every habitable room.
That can be an actual wall or ceiling mounted luminaire or it can just
be a switched receptacle.
wrote:
That can be an actual wall or ceiling mounted luminaire or it can just
be a switched receptacle.
gfre...@aol.com
Nov 9, 2017, 12:39:48 PM11/9/17
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that comes on with the TV (an SSR connected to the USB port)
It works great.
TimR
Nov 9, 2017, 1:49:02 PM11/9/17
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Could it be that we need more light now because we are more near sighted?
It is a fact that many more of us wear glasses than previously had to. I just don't know if that had any impact on choice of lighting.
It is a fact that many more of us wear glasses than previously had to. I just don't know if that had any impact on choice of lighting.
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
Nov 10, 2017, 1:16:59 PM11/10/17
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Mark Lloyd
Nov 10, 2017, 3:04:06 PM11/10/17
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On 11/09/2017 08:06 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
[snip]
>> But not in the middle of the room, where it's likely between you and
>> the TV. The middle of the room is also a bad place for a light, when
>> you're reading.
>>
> That's why they sold TV lights. A lamp with a solid front that
> sat on top of the TV, so the light shone on the wall.
So the light comes to you from the same direction as the TV picture? I'd
expect that to be even worse. The light should be behind me.
BTW, I remember working behind a TV, where there was little light but it
was adequate. Then a "helpful" friend turned on a nearby lamp and the
area behind the TV went totally black.
> Bill
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"It is possible to pay another man's debts on his behalf, but it is not
possible to make a guilty man innocent by suffering in his place." [Carl
Lofmark, _What is the Bible?_]
[snip]
>> But not in the middle of the room, where it's likely between you and
>> the TV. The middle of the room is also a bad place for a light, when
>> you're reading.
>>
> That's why they sold TV lights. A lamp with a solid front that
> sat on top of the TV, so the light shone on the wall.
expect that to be even worse. The light should be behind me.
BTW, I remember working behind a TV, where there was little light but it
was adequate. Then a "helpful" friend turned on a nearby lamp and the
area behind the TV went totally black.
> Bill
--
45 days until the winter celebration (Monday December 25, 2017 12:00:00
"It is possible to pay another man's debts on his behalf, but it is not
possible to make a guilty man innocent by suffering in his place." [Carl
Lofmark, _What is the Bible?_]
Ed Pawlowski
Nov 10, 2017, 4:38:29 PM11/10/17
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On 11/10/2017 3:04 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 11/09/2017 08:06 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> But not in the middle of the room, where it's likely between you and
>>> the TV. The middle of the room is also a bad place for a light, when
>>> you're reading.
>>>
>> That's why they sold TV lights. A lamp with a solid front that
>> sat on top of the TV, so the light shone on the wall.
>
> So the light comes to you from the same direction as the TV picture? I'd
> expect that to be even worse. The light should be behind me.
>
> BTW, I remember working behind a TV, where there was little light but it
> was adequate. Then a "helpful" friend turned on a nearby lamp and the
> area behind the TV went totally black.
>
>> Bill
>
>
It does seem counter intuitive, but yes, the light is behind the TV.
> On 11/09/2017 08:06 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> But not in the middle of the room, where it's likely between you and
>>> the TV. The middle of the room is also a bad place for a light, when
>>> you're reading.
>>>
>> That's why they sold TV lights. A lamp with a solid front that
>> sat on top of the TV, so the light shone on the wall.
>
> So the light comes to you from the same direction as the TV picture? I'd
> expect that to be even worse. The light should be behind me.
>
> BTW, I remember working behind a TV, where there was little light but it
> was adequate. Then a "helpful" friend turned on a nearby lamp and the
> area behind the TV went totally black.
>
>> Bill
>
>
I've never tried one, but the idea is to soften the dark contrast
between room and screen.
Uncle Monster
Nov 10, 2017, 6:48:47 PM11/10/17
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https://www.amazon.com/LED-Backlight-Normal-Bright-White/dp/B00390GFJS
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