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trader_4
May 25, 2015, 10:38:40 AM5/25/15
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Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool
multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who
says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise
it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the
valve. But I don't see how that can happen. The valve uses a
spring to push the disc inside down onto that spider gasket/seal.
To move the valve, you push the handle down, which moves the disk
up so you can rotate it. At that point, nothing is even touching
the gasket/seal, so I don't see how which direction you turn it
matters. I do see how if you try to turn it without pressing
the handle all the way down, that would rub against the gasket
and could dislodge it, screw it up, etc.
I've also seen threads about this online, with some alleged pool
experts also giving the "only turn it one way" advice. But the
manual for the valve says nothing. Nor is there any arrow or
indication of this issue on the valve itself.
Here's it the type of valve:
http://i45.tinypic.com/5xr582.jpg
multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who
says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise
it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the
valve. But I don't see how that can happen. The valve uses a
spring to push the disc inside down onto that spider gasket/seal.
To move the valve, you push the handle down, which moves the disk
up so you can rotate it. At that point, nothing is even touching
the gasket/seal, so I don't see how which direction you turn it
matters. I do see how if you try to turn it without pressing
the handle all the way down, that would rub against the gasket
and could dislodge it, screw it up, etc.
I've also seen threads about this online, with some alleged pool
experts also giving the "only turn it one way" advice. But the
manual for the valve says nothing. Nor is there any arrow or
indication of this issue on the valve itself.
Here's it the type of valve:
http://i45.tinypic.com/5xr582.jpg
Oren
May 25, 2015, 10:51:55 AM5/25/15
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either direction. I mean why turn from backwash to close by turning
all the way around (left) in one direction when you can change to
close with a simple move to the right?
bob_villa
May 25, 2015, 10:56:40 AM5/25/15
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
> Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool
> multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who
> says...
> Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool
> multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who
Frankly, I'm surprised you HAVE any friends...and since when do you need validation?
trader_4
May 25, 2015, 11:02:02 AM5/25/15
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valid threads into insults.
trader_4
May 25, 2015, 11:08:41 AM5/25/15
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bottom doesn't like getting rubbed both ways..... But like I said,
when you push the handle down, it lifts the plate gizmo completely
off the seal, by probably 1/4" so I don't see how it can happen.
Here's a diagram of the valve:
http://www.poolcenter.com/images/PC_Products/SP_0598/Parts_SP_0598.jpg
The gasket/seal is #11, the plate that presses down on it is #10.
The plate has a spring that pushes it against the seal. When you
push the handle down to move it, it pulls the plate up off the
seal, compressing the spring.
Oren
May 25, 2015, 11:51:34 AM5/25/15
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On Mon, 25 May 2015 08:08:37 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
SWAG is the "believers" have read to much into the operation of the
valve. If it was intended to operate in one direction - there would
some type of stop to prevent both directions, no? If 10 is clearing
11, it can't rub, best I can tell.
valve. If it was intended to operate in one direction - there would
some type of stop to prevent both directions, no? If 10 is clearing
11, it can't rub, best I can tell.
bob_villa
May 25, 2015, 12:05:10 PM5/25/15
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trader_4
May 25, 2015, 12:06:00 PM5/25/15
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trader_4
May 25, 2015, 12:18:26 PM5/25/15
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came in here, didn't post anything to do with the question
and instead started a personal attack. That's because
you obviously don't know anything about pool valves or anything
else. As for the Micky thing, no tirade, just asked for a link
to his ridge vent product that has the impossible characteristics
he listed, that's all. You're just sore because whenever anyone
ask you to back up anything here, you can't and you wind up
embarrassing yourself. Again, just the facts.
Don Phillipson
May 25, 2015, 1:59:30 PM5/25/15
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"trader_4" <tra...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:0e1dc5c3-5044-474c...@googlegroups.com...
> Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool
> multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who
> says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise
> it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the
> valve. But I don't see how that can happen.
What did the pool store (or manufacturer) say when you asked?
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
news:0e1dc5c3-5044-474c...@googlegroups.com...
> Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool
> multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who
> says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise
> it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the
> valve. But I don't see how that can happen.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
trader_4
May 25, 2015, 2:31:30 PM5/25/15
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manual. Pool stores, in my experience are full of BS, unless
you think a pimple faced summer HS student is an expert.
Thanks for the usual, what does the MF say stuff. And I gather,
like some others here, you don't even know WTG this valve is,]
do you?
bob_villa
May 25, 2015, 3:52:22 PM5/25/15
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trader_4
May 25, 2015, 5:30:55 PM5/25/15
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of yourself? I know. That's what you libs like to do.
thekma...@gmail.com
May 25, 2015, 5:42:45 PM5/25/15
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The only time you do not want to turn a multiport pool valve
in either direction is when the PUMP IS ON.
I made that mistake 4 years ago, replaced the whole
Hayward head, and never repeated it.
Other than that, it's just like a TV tuner knob - can
be turned either way.
in either direction is when the PUMP IS ON.
I made that mistake 4 years ago, replaced the whole
Hayward head, and never repeated it.
Other than that, it's just like a TV tuner knob - can
be turned either way.
Oren
May 25, 2015, 5:52:31 PM5/25/15
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On Mon, 25 May 2015 14:42:42 -0700 (PDT), thekma...@gmail.com
wrote:
>The only time you do not want to turn a multiport pool valve
>in either direction is when the PUMP IS ON.
>
I manually turn Jandy valves all the time while the pump is on. I can
purge air from the skimmer line or the cleaner side port line in the
pool. One Jandy has a actuator that turns on the solar panels when
temps fall below the settings.
>I made that mistake 4 years ago, replaced the whole
>Hayward head, and never repeated it.
>
hmm?
wrote:
>The only time you do not want to turn a multiport pool valve
>in either direction is when the PUMP IS ON.
>
purge air from the skimmer line or the cleaner side port line in the
pool. One Jandy has a actuator that turns on the solar panels when
temps fall below the settings.
>I made that mistake 4 years ago, replaced the whole
>Hayward head, and never repeated it.
>
thekma...@gmail.com
May 25, 2015, 6:01:59 PM5/25/15
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Oren:
(Kmanrocks puts on his best full metal jacket)...
PRIVATE PYLE, YOU JUST LIKE TO BE
DIFFERENT!!!
The instruction manual for the Haywards,
at least, says that DAMAGE CAN RESULT
from moving the valve selector while the
pump is ON, under pressure of water passing
through it.
Why do IDIOTS always have to challenge and
refute everything I say on Usenet??
(Kmanrocks puts on his best full metal jacket)...
PRIVATE PYLE, YOU JUST LIKE TO BE
DIFFERENT!!!
The instruction manual for the Haywards,
at least, says that DAMAGE CAN RESULT
from moving the valve selector while the
pump is ON, under pressure of water passing
through it.
Why do IDIOTS always have to challenge and
refute everything I say on Usenet??
bob_villa
May 25, 2015, 6:02:05 PM5/25/15
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 4:30:55 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
> Again, you don't know the subject material, so why make an ass
> of yourself? I know. That's what you libs like to do.
Why would I need to know...I'm giving YOU advice though? You won't take it and you don't like it, but it is advice! And then it goes political, because you know I have a point.
> Again, you don't know the subject material, so why make an ass
> of yourself? I know. That's what you libs like to do.
Oren
May 25, 2015, 6:34:55 PM5/25/15
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On Mon, 25 May 2015 15:01:55 -0700 (PDT), thekma...@gmail.com
wrote:
Why do you start name calling. All I said was I turn Jandy valves on
while the pump is running - manually and with an actuator.. Maybe you
can explain your Hayward valve and give a model number? Or would you
like to continue calling people idiots. I can call people names with
the best of them, dumb fuck!
You are a lefty liberal right?
wrote:
while the pump is running - manually and with an actuator.. Maybe you
can explain your Hayward valve and give a model number? Or would you
like to continue calling people idiots. I can call people names with
the best of them, dumb fuck!
You are a lefty liberal right?
Stormin Mormon
May 25, 2015, 7:27:07 PM5/25/15
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On 5/25/2015 5:30 PM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:52:22 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:18:26 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:02:02 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool
>>>>>>> multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who
>>>>>>> says...
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> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:52:22 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:18:26 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:02:02 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool
>>>>>>> multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who
>>>>>>> says...
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thekma...@gmail.com
May 25, 2015, 7:29:53 PM5/25/15
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Oren:
How about just taking my word for it? I f___d it up changing
modes while the motor was running, despite labeling to the
contrary. Your particular brand may allow mode changes
while pump is running. I was just giving general advice.
I don't make this stuff up, especially considering the orig. poster
is looking for advice. Do I look like I have FOX NEWS' logo
on my forehead?!
How about just taking my word for it? I f___d it up changing
modes while the motor was running, despite labeling to the
contrary. Your particular brand may allow mode changes
while pump is running. I was just giving general advice.
I don't make this stuff up, especially considering the orig. poster
is looking for advice. Do I look like I have FOX NEWS' logo
on my forehead?!
Stormin Mormon
May 25, 2015, 7:31:59 PM5/25/15
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Wearing my seat belt, driving my state inspected
vehicle, under the speed limit, and sober. With
two license plates, inspection sticker, registration
sticker in the windshield, after eating USFDA
inspected and approved hot dogs, drinking chlorinated
water, and associating with people in ATF approved
religion. I wore inspected and safety insured clothes
made in union shops, and didn't display any type of
weapon openly (much less a firearm).
Calling you a total blithering drunken fool
idiot is the only freedom I have left!
-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.
gonjah
May 25, 2015, 8:49:24 PM5/25/15
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only turn one way. He's always given me good advice.
I admit that it doesn't seem to matter but it may have something to do
with not pushing the handle all the way down when twisting. I replaced
mine Nov 2013 and I'm not having any spider gasket issues. As I recall
there is a ridge that can get worn fairly easily. You can see the ridge here
http://www.inyopools.com/howtoimages/34/329/7_P1060238.JPG?format=jpg&maxwidth=800
rebel
May 26, 2015, 12:46:00 AM5/26/15
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On Mon, 25 May 2015 19:32:00 -0400, Stormin Mormon
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I just got back from a Memorial Day picnic.
> Wearing my seat belt, driving my state inspected
> vehicle, under the speed limit, and sober. With
> two license plates, inspection sticker, registration
> sticker in the windshield, after eating USFDA
> inspected and approved hot dogs, drinking
> chlorinated
> water, and associating with people in ATF approved
> religion. I wore inspected and safety insured clothes
> made in union shops, and didn't display any type of
> weapon openly (much less a firearm).
That was just funny to read!
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I just got back from a Memorial Day picnic.
> Wearing my seat belt, driving my state inspected
> vehicle, under the speed limit, and sober. With
> two license plates, inspection sticker, registration
> sticker in the windshield, after eating USFDA
> inspected and approved hot dogs, drinking
> chlorinated
> water, and associating with people in ATF approved
> religion. I wore inspected and safety insured clothes
> made in union shops, and didn't display any type of
> weapon openly (much less a firearm).
--
rebel
Stormin Mormon
May 26, 2015, 6:59:12 AM5/26/15
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This message approved by NSA.
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trader_4
May 26, 2015, 9:15:02 AM5/26/15
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This time it's the shaft seal that has a slow leak. When
the pump shuts off, you can hear air going in and over hours,
the filter tank winds up draining back into the pool. I have
a seal kit coming.
I agree that not pushing the handle all the way down could
be a problem. Some of those gaskets apparently aren't even
glued in. If the plate is still against it, not only would
it wear it, but could also pull it out of the gap it sits in.
PatOne
Apr 19, 2017, 12:35:11 PM4/19/17
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Oren
Apr 19, 2017, 1:57:05 PM4/19/17
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:35:05 -0700 (PDT), PatOne <pato...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Jandy multi port valves have a "defuser" <sp?>, turned one way it
shuts water flow off for that line. Same when turned the other
direction. It isn't a "ball valve".
Sample; #9 is the defuser.
<http://www.discountpoolzone.com/multiports/jandypic.gif>
Ball valves work differently.
wrote:
shuts water flow off for that line. Same when turned the other
direction. It isn't a "ball valve".
Sample; #9 is the defuser.
<http://www.discountpoolzone.com/multiports/jandypic.gif>
Ball valves work differently.
pablo...@gmail.com
Jan 16, 2018, 10:51:56 AM1/16/18
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