OT: Trump makes six promises

[T]

In Ohio, Donald Trump Makes Six Promises to American Workers for His
Second Term

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/06/in-ohio-donald-trump-makes-six-promises-to-american-workers-for-his-second-term/


1) Defeat the China Virus (commie flu):

2) Rebuild American manufacturing:

3) Build America into a Center of Medical Manufacturing

4) Move Millions of Manufacturing Jobs Back to America

5) Using Tariffs to Fight for Fair Trade

6) Put Workers First (first Blue Collar president in my memory)

[Stuart]

Why couldn't he do any of those things during his first term? He seems to
be struggling to provide a reason for people to vote for him.

[T]

You seriously thing American Pravda would give
Trump credit for ANYTHING. American Pravda has
an agenda and that is EVERYTHING Trump does
is wrong. Trump has a lot of wonderful
accomplishments

[Ed Pawlowski]

Please list 10 of them. OK, how about five?

He was going to rebuild manufacturing last term. How is that going?
How is the China Virus going?

[Bod]

Also the 7 new steel plants and Mexico paying for the wall...etc....etc.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 6 Aug 2020 23:30:00 -0700, T

<T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 2020-08-06 22:31, Stuart wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 21:25:49 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In Ohio, Donald Trump Makes Six Promises to American Workers for His
>>> Second Term
>>>
>>> https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/06/in-ohio-donald-trump-makes-six-promises-to-american-workers-for-his-second-term/
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Defeat the China Virus (commie flu):
>>>
>>> 2) Rebuild American manufacturing:
>>>
>>> 3) Build America into a Center of Medical Manufacturing
>>>
>>> 4) Move Millions of Manufacturing Jobs Back to America
>>>
>>> 5) Using Tariffs to Fight for Fair Trade
>>>
>>> 6) Put Workers First (first Blue Collar president in my memory)
>>
>> Why couldn't he do any of those things during his first term? He seems to
>> be struggling to provide a reason for people to vote for him.
>>
>
>You seriously thing American Pravda would give
>Trump credit for ANYTHING.

What does Fox give him credit for? Not when they quote him talking
about himself but what does Fox itself say he accomplished.

[Snag]

Because he's been up to his ass in alligators . Considering how badly
he's been harassed since even before he was inaugurated he's done a
fantastic job . "If Trump walked on water the headlines would scream
'Donald Trump can't swim!' " . First they screamed that he cut off
travel too soon , then they said he didn't do it soon enough . No matter
what he does they find a way to try to make him look bad . The average
American isn't nearly as stupid as the Dems think ...
--
Snag

[trader_4]

Interesting. So, because you allege that the media would not give Trump
credit for anything, that's why he didn't do those things on his new list?
And what about his old list:

Build wall
Mexico pays for wall
Deport 11 mil illegals in one or two years.
Immigration reform
Repeal and replace Obamacare with something tremendous
Solve the trade deficits with Mexico, China, etc
Get a new nuclear deal with Iran that was better than JCPA
Stop NK from developing nukes and ICBMs
Fix the deficits, address the national debt
Lock her up


Trump has failed at all that, much of it he never even tried to do.
The only thing we got were good conservative court judges and a
marginally better economy. The latter came at the cost of huge tax
cuts in an already growing economy and those helped double the deficits
from $500 bil to $1 tril. The first $1 tril deficits since the economic
disaster of 2008/09. The small boost in the economy came at a high cost,
one to be paid by future generations, maybe sooner if all this debt comes
home to roost.

And don't give us excuses. Real leaders, competent leaders, lead.
Reagan got almost all his agenda through Congress and he never had control
of the House and only control of the Senate for part of his two terms.
And he had a lib media that was hostile to him too. The difference is he
could sell his ideas, win people over, lead. Trump just divides, insults,
and doesn't even try. Where for example is his health insurance plan that
he promised in 2016? We never saw it. He just punted everything to Congress
and did nothing. Or look at LBJ or Clinton. Look how they worked the phones
endlessly, using every means to get backing for what they where trying to
get through Congress. Trump just lets Congress do it, ignores it, then
he starts attacking the people involved. Failure is inevitable. If this
moron was CEO of any Fortune 500 company he would have been removed in his
first year.

[Jim Joyce]

On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 06:34:31 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
wrote:

+1

I saw a youtube clip last night of all the times Trump claimed "only I can
fix it". For a guy who can fix things, he hasn't fixed anything. Latest
example, when Covid-19 came along, he punted to the Governors. Punting
doesn't make one a leader.

[trader_4]

The 7 new steel plants are a good example of how Trump deals with his promises.
Instead of him getting them accomplished, he just lies and pretends that
they are done. That Axios interview was an example of how Trump can be
dealt with and exposed for the liar and fool he was. It's the first real
good sign that the teflon is falling off.

Oh, and about promises, what about the two huge, crazy promises Trump
made in the last two weeks? Ones that are obvious whopping lies.
He told Telemundo that he was issuing an exec order "bill", within 30 days
that will give DACA a path to citizenship! He was questioned to make
sure that's what he said and meant and he confirmed it several times.
Not only is it a lie, but there is no such thing as an exec order bill.

Then he told Chris Wallace that he was doing a national health insurance
big deal the same way, that it was coming in just two weeks. He told both
reporters that he could do that because the Supreme Court had given him
some new powers. Actually what they did was smack down his try at repealling
DACA, they said he did it improperly.

So, what about those promises? In less than two weeks, both should be done.
We all know it's just BS, that neither will. So much for his promises.
This moron is so incredibly stupid that he even destroys any possible
credibility by wading into things needlessly and then spinning lies.
Like the other day he claimed that his great generals had told him that
this was a bomb, not an accident. No one leader or authority had put that
forth anywhere in the world. Then his own Sec of Defense had to come out
and protect the military, saying that the military does no believe it was
a bomb, has no evidence it was a bomb. Now Trump will likely fire Esper.
So, why should anyone ever believe Trump? If there is some world crisis,
he has to convince people some action needs to be taken against some
threat, eg NK, Iran, why would anyone in the world believe him? This
is the awful state that Trump has brought the American presidency to.
It's now just a joke, which was expected when you elect a lying, evil
orange clown.

Just another day in Crazytown.

[trader_4]

That's a good point. They blow a lot of pro-Trump smoke up their viewer's
asses. They certainly give him credit for the economy, ignoring that
the economy has been continually improving since 2009 on a straight line.
And that Trump's improvement came with the cost of tax cuts that helped
double the deficits from $500 bil to $1 tril, and that's before Covid.

They give him credit for killing JCPOA with Iran, even though it's
made things worse. Iran is now enriching again and there is no sign they
are coming to negotiate a new deal with Trump. Why would they when he
reneged on America's existing deal?

They give him credit for getting tough with China, even though it's produced
mostly bad results, eg it hasn't helped the deficits and crops are rotting
in America.

They give him credit for appointing conservative judges, that one he does
deserve, but how hard is that? The GOP controls the Senate. Those
judges sure came at a terrible price and we'll likely have 8 years of
Democrats controlling everything now, which will undo much or all of it.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Does he have a plan, or just those 6 slogans?

Cindy Hamilton

[Bob F]

trump has never presented a plan for anything. He just dictates, then
gets shot down by the courts time after time.

[T]

Here you go. Have fun:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+accomplishments&t=brave&ia=web

[T]

Two coup attempts. An activist judiciary. A democratic
controlled hate spewing congress that will not compromise
or negotiate on anything. Add to that a press that is as
biased as biased gets and runs a constant drum beet of
trash at him. Where he gets the strength, I do not
know. And he keeps on going. That man has some cajoles.

[T]

You have not been paying attention. He has a lot
of plans. Trump is eating your lunch.

[Bob F]

And last, an election, and he will be gone. Along with lots of other
repubs that will not do their jobs to protect the American public.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 8/7/2020 5:56 PM, T wrote:

>
> Two coup attempts.  An activist judiciary.  A democratic
> controlled hate spewing congress that will not compromise
> or negotiate on anything.

Wrong. Your bias is showing.

Democrats control the house, Republicans control the Senate and neither
side is willing to compromise.

The United States Congress is the bicameral legislature of the federal
government of the United States and consists of two chambers: the House
of Representatives and the Senate. The Congress meets in the United
States Capitol in Washington, D.C.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Much of that is fluff and would have happened if a monkey was in the WH.
Some are not necessarily good. Yeah, the sun came up today too.
Supreme court is good or bad depending on your perspective but it had to
be done.

Where are those steel plants? What did the tariff actually help?

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 8/7/2020 5:57 PM, T wrote:

>>>
>>
>> trump has never presented a plan for anything. He just dictates, then
>> gets shot down by the courts time after time.
>>
>
> You have not been paying attention.  He has a lot
> of plans.  Trump is eating your lunch.

Where is the promised healthcare plan?

[T]

Ask the dems why hey won't even speak to
the other side.

When "the zipper" was in the white house, he
negotiated until all the oxygen was used up
and then negotiated some more.

If you want a new health plan, you have to vote
republican and get both houses back.

[Bob F]

Laughable.

The repubs had 3 1/2 years, most of which they had control of both
houses and the WH, and they never even proposed a plan. They never even
discussed the possibility with the Democrats. All they did was vote to
try to kill what Obama brought us.

Vote repub and there will NEVER be a plan, and the voters know it.

[Jim Joyce]

On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:56:29 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 2020-08-07 05:59, Snag wrote:
>> On 8/7/2020 12:31 AM, Stuart wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 21:25:49 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Ohio, Donald Trump Makes Six Promises to American Workers for His
>>>> Second Term
>>>>
>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/06/in-ohio-donald-trump-makes-six-promises-to-american-workers-for-his-second-term/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1) Defeat the China Virus (commie flu):
>>>>
>>>> 2) Rebuild American manufacturing:
>>>>
>>>> 3) Build America into a Center of Medical Manufacturing
>>>>
>>>> 4) Move Millions of Manufacturing Jobs Back to America
>>>>
>>>> 5) Using Tariffs to Fight for Fair Trade
>>>>
>>>> 6) Put Workers First (first Blue Collar president in my memory)
>>>
>>> Why couldn't he do any of those things during his first term? He seems to
>>> be struggling to provide a reason for people to vote for him.
>>>
>>
>>   Because he's been up to his ass in alligators . Considering how badly
>> he's been harassed since even before he was inaugurated he's done a
>> fantastic job . "If Trump walked on water the headlines would scream
>> 'Donald Trump can't swim!' " . First they screamed that he cut off
>> travel too soon , then they said he didn't do it soon enough . No matter
>> what he does they find a way to try to make him look bad . The average
>> American isn't nearly as stupid as the Dems think ...
>
>Two coup attempts.

Coup attempts? Is that like the war you keep saying you're having? You
know, those words have specific meanings and they don't mean what you think
they do. Formal impeachment is not a coup, even if your right wing talking
points say otherwise.

> An activist judiciary. A democratic
>controlled hate spewing congress that will not compromise
>or negotiate on anything. Add to that a press that is as
>biased as biased gets and runs a constant drum beet of
>trash at him. Where he gets the strength, I do not
>know. And he keeps on going. That man has some cajoles.

On that last point, we agree fully. To commit serious crimes, right out in
the open for all to see, day after day, takes some serious balls. Sure, you
could say he only does it because he knows he's above the law, but it's
still stunning. When he loses his bid for reelection this fall, he may have
some serious legal liabilities opening up. Let's see how that plays out.

[Jim Joyce]

That's not my lunch. I don't exist on a steady diet of KFC.

[trader_4]

+1

Trump deserves credit for appointing conservative judges. But we've had
that from all Republican presidents, this time we had to pay an unacceptable,
horrific price. The economy was on a straight line improvement from 2009.
Unemployment, for example, went down many points during the Obama years,
it went down further under Trump, but less than ONE point. And that's no
surprise, any fool can do that when recklessly cutting taxes, doubling the
deficits from $500 bil to $1 tril and that's before Covid.

[Jim Joyce]

I'm hoping Lindsay Graham gets the boot. He has really lost his way since
losing his buddy and mentor, John McCain. It wouldn't hurt to wave goodbye
to Moscow Mitch, as well. I'd also add Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan, and a host
of others who aren't in DC to do their jobs.

[trader_4]

Ahh, the "poor widdle Trump" defense. Perhaps Trump wouldn't have had all
those so opposed to him if he had reached out to those that didn't vote for
him, had been president of America, instead of president of the trumptards?
Again, Reagan had the press against him, never had a Republican House, only
had the Senate part of his two terms. Yet he got almost all of his agenda
done. Trump, it's just lame excuses from a flaming orange schmuck.

[trader_4]

+1

Like George Will said, what Trump has done is far worse than Nixon. Nixon
knew what he was doing was wrong, he kept it hidden and once it was discovered
it was the end for him. Trump does all his wrongdoing out in the open,
he's normalized it, made it acceptable. GW said it will take us much
longer to recover from this.

I was watching the new Midway movie last night. Those young aviators flying'
off against dismal odds, offering their lives to defend America. Bush 41
was one in WWII, he was one of the youngest naval aviators. They really
were our greatest generation. We've gone from men
like him as president, to this POS. And during WWII, everyone willingly
made sacrifices. People didn't say, screw you, it's my right to have as
much gas, sugar and bacon as I want, you can't tell me what to do.
Now, asking people to just wear a simple
god damned mask, these imbeciles that claim to be Republicans, that claim
to be patriots, look at what they are doing. Instead of cooperating for
the greater good, they've turned it into another nasty, stupid, political
divide. I'm afraid we are witnessing the rapid decline of the American empire.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Personally, I'd like to toss them all and start over.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'm a little mystified as to how he's going to bring millions of
manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. Unless he can find Americans
who are willing to work for $10,000 a year, those jobs are going
to stay offshore.

Cindy Hamilton

[rbowman]

As long as the health care industry generously funds politicians on both
sides of the aisle they will write the legislation. The Dems had their
chance at single payer but Max Baucus scuttled it at the git go. He was
rewarded with an ambassadorship to China and his aide, who did all the
heavy lifting, now has a plum job in the industry.

The first step is campaign financing reform but that will happen as soon
as unicorns crap diamonds. The side that's out of power can babble about
it but they're not dumb. Sooner or later they'll be in power and want
corporate cash, no term limits, filibusters, and all the other
conditions ensuring the health and wealth of politicians.

[rbowman]

On 08/08/2020 10:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> I'm a little mystified as to how he's going to bring millions of
> manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. Unless he can find Americans
> who are willing to work for $10,000 a year, those jobs are going
> to stay offshore.

First he has to find CEOs and other executives willing to work for less
that $1,000,000,000 a year...

[Peeler]

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Less than $1,000,000,000, eh, senile bullshit artist? <BG>

[Peeler]

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Ooops! Nothing's left! LOL

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 7 Aug 2020 21:39:13 -0700, T

<T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>
>If you want a new health plan, you have to vote
>republican and get both houses back.

What heatlh plan is this? Stumpie said he had one but he hasn't said
what it is.

It's like Nixon's plan to "end the war". Except Nixon didn't lie
about everything, Nixon didn't sexually molest women.

[Jim Joyce]

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 07:26:52 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net>
wrote:

Oh, I totally think we're witnessing the rapid decline of the American
empire. As Trump pulls us off of the world's stage, other countries like
China and Russia are quick to step in.

[Jim Joyce]

My guess is that the key is immigrant labor, like the kind he employs at
his hotels and resorts. You know, the illegal kind, because they tend to
bitch less about making that kind of a wage.

[Bod]

This Pew research of Americans opinions (sadly) agrees with you:

Majorities predict a weaker economy, a growing income divide, a degraded
environment and a broken political system.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/03/21/public-sees-an-america-in-decline-on-many-fronts/

[Jim Joyce]

I think it's somewhat humorous to look back at the 2016 debates when Trump
was asked about the specifics of the health plan that he'd been hawking at
his rallies. His response was essentially, "I'm not telling you. You'll
have to elect me first." So now here we are, it's 4 years later, and he'll
surely pull the same old trick.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 22:58:30 -0500, Jim Joyce

Yes, that is what I said a couple years ago, Make America Small Again,
like 1880.

[T]

Those 3-1/2 years were Repubs and RINOs. RINO's and Dems are the same
thing. Trump still managed to achieve a lot. Proof:
how pissed you are at him. Means he is doing a great job.

[T]

A great reform would be a part time congress

[devnull]

Spending your stimulus check at Harbor Freight won't lead the US to prosperity.

[trader_4]

Ah, the poor widdle Trump defense again. You trumptards are amazing. We're
first told that Trump is a great negotiator, the Art of the Deal genius,
an extremely capable and successful executive. Then when it's obvious he's
just a lying shyster, that he was really an unfit, mental case moron and
he accomplishes little, why then it's all the fault of RINOs. Or is it
the deep state? The swamp? How pathetic. It was obvious what Trump was
from the beginning, I and many others warned you.

It's also laughable that all the Republicans are RINOS, but Trump, the orange
interloping evil clown, is the one that embodies Republican values and
principles? The Trump that kisses the asses of dictators like Putin, KJU,
and Duterte? The Trump that attacks and insults our allies, undermines NATO?
The Trump that sided with Putin and Russia over the USA, that lies for Putin,
while attacking his own govt? The Trump that said there were very fine
people together with Nazis and the KKK at a white supremacist rally, organized
by white supremacists? Those have become the Republican Party? Oh,
wait, you're right! That is the GOP today, but it's because Trump has
made it into that.

As to accomplishments, other than conservative appointments to the Supreme
Court that we could have had with just about any GOP president, the only
thing Trump has accomplished is an endless, moronic, shit show.

[trader_4]

And we had that, for the first two years Trump had both a GOP House and
Senate. They didn't deliver a new health plan, in fact, Trump never
put forth the mythical plan he claimed he would deliver. Trump never put
forth any plan at all. He just did what he does with everything else,
he punted it to others, in this case to Congress and did nothing. Look
at the successful presidents, LBJ, Reagan, Clinton. They got involved,
worked the process, worked the phones. Trump just sits by tweeting insults.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-4, devnull wrote:

> Spending your stimulus check at Harbor Freight won't lead the US to prosperity.

I haven't spent mine on anything. They should have given fewer
people more money.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

He's lazy and undisciplined. Even his reality TV show was run
by others.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bod]

Have seen any of the English version of the Apprentice with Alan Sugar?
If so, how did it compare IYO?

[trader_4]

I saw someone the other day giving Trump credit for being the creator and
coming up with the content of The Apprentice. IDK how much Trump had to
do with any of it, but from what I know, Mark Burnett got the reality TV
show idea from Europe, put it into use here with Survivor which was a huge
success. Then, AFAIK, he came up with the idea for The Apprentice. How
much Trump was actually involved in any of the creative work, IDK, but
given what we see, I doubt it was much.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Sorry, I've never seen either. I don't watch very many reality shows.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bod]

Ok.

[rbowman]

I suppose I could say I gave mine to the food bank but there was no
direct causality, money being fungible.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Fair enough.

I think my point was that I didn't need it and someone who's
already spending all or nearly all of their paycheck would
stimulate the economy much more than me.

Maybe I'll donate it to Amy McGrath or Jaime Harrison or
something.

Cindy Hamilton

[Rod Speed]

"Cindy Hamilton" <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:67aeb815-a5db-4fc2...@googlegroups.com...

It isnt always about plans. Syria is a very useful result, much better than
Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Peeler]

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"Cindy Hamilton" <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 1:19:14 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
>> On 08/09/2020 06:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-4, devnull wrote:
>> >
>> >> Spending your stimulus check at Harbor Freight won't lead the US to
>> >> prosperity.
>> >
>> > I haven't spent mine on anything. They should have given fewer
>> > people more money.
>>
>> I suppose I could say I gave mine to the food bank but there was no
>> direct causality, money being fungible.
>
> Fair enough.

> I think my point was that I didn't need it and someone
> who's already spending all or nearly all of their paycheck
> would stimulate the economy much more than me.

Trouble is that there is no way to work out who to give
the handout to who will use it to stimulate the economy.

Even giving it to the spendthrifts who have maxed out
all their cards wouldn’t be viable given that today most
of their extra spending would be on chinese imports.

While the british approach of having the govt pay for
half the bill for food in a restaurant makes no sense.
Yes that will certainly stimulate the economy but it
also encourages people to do what is stupid with
so much virus around and with masks impossible.

> Maybe I'll donate it to Amy McGrath
> or Jaime Harrison or something.

I guess you could give it to someone you know
personally who is certain to spend it on something
that will stimulate the economy like say house reno etc.

[Peeler]

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[rbowman]

On 08/09/2020 12:11 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Maybe I'll donate it to Amy McGrath or Jaime Harrison or
> something.

McGrath is a Democrat I could live with but I don't think she has a
snowball's chance. I don't care for Old Fishmouth but he's on the right
committees to bring home the bacon.

[Peeler]

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> McGrath is a Democrat I could live with

Thanks for letting us know, senile gossip! <BG>