Bread Machine recommendation. Want one NOT made in China.

[Ook]

I have four bread machines, and they are all candidates for the trash
can. One has motor problems, three have bread pans that don't last
(the shaft seizes). None of them have lasted me a year. Not
surprisingly, all of them are made in China.

So, what is a good quality bread machine not made in China? I'm
willing to pay a bit extra for it, I've certainly paid enough for the
junk machines I already have. I don't need bells and whistles, I just
need something that I can run 3-4 times a week. I seldom let it bake
the bread, I just use it to nead the dough. I prefer to take the ready
dough and shape it myself - I have a couple of nice Ecko french bread
shaped pans that work nicely.

Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that
can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.

[Harry Johnson]

On 1/31/2012 11:03 PM, Ook wrote:

>
> Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
> recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
> are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that
> can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.

Most people buy the cheapest product on the shelf. To deliver the lowest
price possible, US manufacturing has forced to move to China.

Consequently, the remaining 5% of us that are willing to pay extra for a
high-quality product are screwed.

About all you can do is buy the cheapest machine, use it till it craps
and then toss it on the heap at your local landfill.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:03:31 -0800 (PST), Ook <zoo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> None of them have lasted me a year. Not
>surprisingly, all of them are made in China.
>
>So, what is a good quality bread machine not made in China?
>

>Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
>recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
>are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that
>can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.

Don't always blame China. Blame the (often US) designers that
specified the material. It was probably designed and engineered here
and them made for cheap in China, to the specifications they were
given.

Get a Made in the USA Kitchen Aid mixer for the dough and use the oven
for baking. Your hands make good dough kneading implements barring a
lot of arthritis.

[Duesenberg]

On 2/1/2012 5:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
.
>
> Don't always blame China. Blame the (often US) designers that
> specified the material. It was probably designed and engineered here
> and them made for cheap in China, to the specifications they were
> given.
>
> Get a Made in the USA Kitchen Aid mixer for the dough and use the oven
> for baking. Your hands make good dough kneading implements barring a
> lot of arthritis.
>
>

Or consider trying a couple no-knead recipes? Just a thought...

[Jules Richardson]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:35:43 -0500, Harry Johnson wrote:

> On 1/31/2012 11:03 PM, Ook wrote:
>
>
>> Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
>> recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
>> are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that
>> can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.
>
>
> Most people buy the cheapest product on the shelf. To deliver the lowest
> price possible, US manufacturing has forced to move to China.
>
> Consequently, the remaining 5% of us that are willing to pay extra for a
> high-quality product are screwed.

Yes, all too common unfortunately :-(

I'm not sure when home-use bread machines really started appearing; my
usual solution to these kinds of problems is to find something that was
built years ago, but was designed well, then do any necessary restoration
work on it.

cheers

Jules

[Attila.Iskander]

"Ook" <zoo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I have migrated away from the bread machines (Panasonic) that did a good job
for me
Bought them used at the Goodwill for peanuts. ( House & Cabin)
I have since bought a Cuisinart Stand Mixer
The big one can do dough for 2# loaves at a time.
A bit more time involved in making the bread, but far more options of the
results

[Attila.Iskander]

"Duesenberg" <a...@123.com> wrote in message
news:jgbfbm$rt7$2...@dont-email.me...

A good mixer will do most of the kneading for you .

[Peter]

On 1/31/2012 11:03 PM, Ook wrote:

I don't think you are going to find a home use bread machine that has
sealed, permanently lubricated, ball bearing type bearings. They all
seem to use some variant of rubber/plastic friction fit seals where the
shaft of the beater blade penetrates the bread pan. I've had 2 cheap
bread machines each last more than 8 years by (1) minimizing the amount
of water soak time I use (generally about 5 minutes) to soften the
residual crust around the shaft and seal after each bake job, (2)
manually rotating the shaft by inserting the blade and rotating it for
about 1 minute after drying and before storing, and (3) repeating step
#2 immediately prior to adding ingredients for another loaf. I
generally make 5-6 loafs/month. Although the shaft sometimes starts
with considerable friction, a minute or so of manual rotation always
seems to free it up. If the shaft is really seized, put a small puddle
of cooking oil in the bottom of the pan and let it soak for about 20
minutes, pour out the oil, put on the blade and try to force the shaft
to rotate.

If all else fails, I found that even after I badly damaged a seal by
using WD-40 on the underside of the pan, to the point where the shaft
was vertically loose, there was no leakage when preparing a loaf if I
added most of the dry ingredients before adding the water to the pan.
Even early in the kneading process, the dough is too viscous to creep
through the damaged seal.

My main gripe is that after using each new machine for only a few
months, the finished loaf tears from the beater blade when you dump the
finished loaf out of the pan. Well lubricating surface of the blade
with cooking oil doesn't seem to help. Very mysterious given that I
don't see any surface defects in the "no-stick" coating on the blade.

[Bill]

> Don't always blame China. Blame the (often US) designers that
> specified the material.
>

Baloney! It is CHINA which substitutes inferior materials for what is
specified. They will switch to cheaper components in the middle of a
production run without telling the U.S. manufacturer! U.S.
manufacturers have to watch them like a hawk.

I have stopped buying anything made in China. Too much crap. Too many
returns.

[Bill]

> can anyone
> recommend a good bread dough neading machine?
>

KitchenAid stand mixers with the dough hook will do the job!

Still made in USA...
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/appliances.html

Main page...
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com

[missin...@brainchampagne.com]

My philosophy, unfortunately, has been to buy the $80 machine and throw it out when it breaks. I think I'm on my fifth or sixth machine by now but I use it a lot and I got the first one when they first came out in the mid eighties.

[Stormin Mormon]

6 x 80 = 480

What kind of good bread machine can you buy for $480?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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[tra...@optonline.net]

On Feb 1, 9:50 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Don't always blame China.  Blame the (often US) designers that
> > specified the material.
>
> Baloney! It is CHINA which substitutes inferior materials for what is
> specified. They will switch to cheaper components in the middle of a
> production run without telling the U.S. manufacturer! U.S.
> manufacturers have to watch them like a hawk.

That may happen in 5% of the cases. In the other 95%,
the US company knows damn well what they're getting.
And if any of it makes it to the consumer, it's mostly
the US company's fault anyway. They are supposed to
have the appropriate quality control processes in place
to prevent crap from getting through. And a responsible
US company would stop
doing business with any vendors that try to pull such
stunts.

>
> I have stopped buying anything made in China. Too much crap. Too many
> returns.

Some how I don't believe that.

[Steve Barker]

http://bit.ly/zo8L19



--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

[DerbyDad03]

I understand that this Zojirushi unit is supposed to be the Top Choice
in bread machines for home use.

Pricey, but supposed well worth it.

I was going to buy one, but my daughter bought me a Panasonic unit for
my birthday and by the time I returned to the on-line vendor and paid
the shipping and re-stocking fees, the overall out of pocket expense
to end up with the Zojirushi unit would have been too much.

The feature I like the best is the fact that it makes "regular shaped"
loaves, not the tall ones like most bread machines.

http://www.bestbreadmachinereviews.com/zojirushi-bb-cec20-home-bakery-supreme-breadmaker-review

[missin...@brainchampagne.com]

A $480 bread machine that will last 30 years? I don't think any of them. Certainly no non-stick coating will last that long.

Can also probably find used ones really cheap; a lot of people buy them and don't like the result so they sell them almost brand-new.

[Edge]

I used to work for a customer service company that took the complaints
of consumers through their 800 numbers. Each complaint was classified,
grouped and analyzed by the parent company. Any deviation from normal
stats were flagged. The defective products could be tracked by
production runs to the manufacturers country, factory, date, time,
shift. All products would have records of the materials used as well
as the labor. I agree with Trader4. With the multi-national
manufacturers like Panasonic, nobody can just substitue inferior
material and get away with it for long. It is the parent company that
specifies a plastic cog or a metal one. Ryobi uses plastic parts in
their drills. DeWalt uses metal parts.

[DerbyDad03]

All that stuff about tracking complaints and tracing them back to the
shift sounds good on paper.

However, if you've ever heard the term "garbage in, garbage out" so
then you shouldn't put much faith in the process.

I recently called Panasonic about a bread machine I received as a
gift. I gave them the model number and asked a question about the
relationship between their loaf sizes of "Medium, Large and Extra-
Large" and some recipes I had that listed the size in weights (1.5 lb
and 2 lb).

The rep repeated the model number back to me and then looked something
up and said that "Medium, Large and Extra-Large" meant 1 lb, 1.5 lb
and 2 lb loafs.

Since I still had the box right in front of me I asked her: "So why
does the box says it makes "up to 2.5 lb loaves"?

She put me on hold and came back to tell me that she had looked up the
wrong model number and should have told me 1.5, 2 and 2.5.

The point here is that unless the reps really know what they are
doing, the data they enter will not be accurate and the trcking data
will not be accurate. We've all had situations where we knew more
about the product that we were calling about than the CSR at the 800
number, so I don't put much faith in the accuracy of their 'tracking"
systems.

Garbage In, Garbage Out, Garbage Tracking

[tra...@optonline.net]

On Feb 1, 12:46 pm, DerbyDad03 <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 12:11 pm, Edge <wmoy1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I used to work for a customer service company that took the complaints
> > of consumers through their 800 numbers. Each complaint was classified,
> > grouped and analyzed by the parent company. Any deviation from normal
> > stats were flagged. The defective products could be tracked by
> > production runs to the manufacturers country, factory, date, time,
> > shift. All products would have records of  the materials used as well
> > as the labor. I agree with Trader4. With the multi-national
> > manufacturers like Panasonic, nobody can just substitue inferior
> > material and get away with it for long. It is the parent company that
> > specifies a plastic cog or a metal one. Ryobi uses plastic parts in
> > their drills. DeWalt uses metal parts.
>
> All that stuff about tracking complaints and tracing them back to the
> shift sounds good on paper.
>
> However, if you've ever heard the term "garbage in, garbage out" so
> then you shouldn't put much faith in the process.

That is just totally bogus. There is a whole process of
qualifying vendors. A responsible company doesn't just
find a company in China or anywhere and then take and
ship their product. You inspect their facitlities, see what
they are doing, do random quality inspection of incoming
product. This isn't anything new. This is how business has been done
for a LONG time.

You ship me garbage and you're out

>
> I recently called Panasonic about a bread machine I received as a
> gift. I gave them the model number and asked a question about the
> relationship between their loaf sizes of "Medium, Large and Extra-
> Large" and some recipes I had that listed the size in weights (1.5 lb
> and 2 lb).
>
> The rep repeated the model number back to me and then looked something
> up and said that "Medium, Large and Extra-Large" meant 1 lb, 1.5 lb
> and 2 lb loafs.
>
> Since I still had the box right in front of me I asked her: "So why
> does the box says it makes "up to 2.5 lb loaves"?
>
> She put me on hold and came back to tell me that she had looked up the
> wrong model number and should have told me 1.5, 2 and 2.5.
>
> The point here is that unless the reps really know what they are
> doing, the data they enter will not be accurate and the trcking data
> will not be accurate.

We've all had situations where we knew more
> about the product that we were calling about than the CSR at the 800
> number, so I don't put much faith in the accuracy of their 'tracking"
> systems.
>
> Garbage In, Garbage Out, Garbage Tracking

Customer service is a whole different process than
making sure what's coming in meets the company's
quality specs.

[DerbyDad03]

On Feb 1, 1:28 pm, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>

> quality specs.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

trader4,

I'm not sure who you are "bogusing" here.

I was responding to Edge's comment that these Customer Service
organizations tally consumer complaint data and use it to trace
problems all the way back to the shift that built the unit.

Based on my experience with CSR's representing countless companies,
and having worked on the management side of IT help desks, I would put
no faith in the assertion that they can pinpoint a problem that
(allegedly) occurred during C shift on March 3, 2011 at the Yung Min
Teng factory. I just don't believe that the folks wearing the headsets
are entering data accurate enough to do that. I've experienced it as a
consumer and I've seen it in practice at work.

My "Garbage In, Garbage Out" referred to the data entered by the
CSR's, not to any product.

[chaniarts]

it depends upon the company. i'm a csr for a computer company, and yes,
we can track hardware problems down that far.

[chaniarts]

not only that, but we know which other customers have it, and can (and
have) proactively contacted them to arrange for a replacement part to be
installed.

[Steve]

Ook <zoo...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0f05cc4a-7b03-4f3a-a740-4c31dfc31146
@n8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:

I bought my wife one of the Zojirushi machines two years ago. This is her
third one and is by far the best one she has ever had. I seems absolutely
bulletproof in the two years that she has been using it. Look at Amazon
and they get great reviews.

[Bill]

> They are supposed to
> have the appropriate quality control processes in place
> to prevent crap from getting through. And a responsible
> US company would stop
> doing business with any vendors that try to pull such stunts.

Companies don't find out a China manufacturer switched something until
the products have already been imported and sold. They will NOT allow
inspection. Or they set up phony assembly lines for quality
inspectors. Out and out deception and fraud! See for yourself...

Read the book: Poorly Made in China: An Insider's Account of the
Tactics Behind China's Production Game...
http://www.amazon.com/Poorly-Made-China-Insiders-Production/dp/0470405589

Lethal tampering with food or drug ingredients (to say nothing of lead
paint in toys and poisonous toothpaste) from China seems to be
business as usual....
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2009/jan/08/lz1e8miller221626-dangerous-products-china/

[Caesar Romano]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:40:07 -0500, Duesenberg <a...@123.com> wrote Re
Re: Bread Machine recommendation. Want one NOT made in China.:

>Or consider trying a couple no-knead recipes? Just a thought...

How about buying Wonder Bread?
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:28:16 -0800 (PST), "tra...@optonline.net"
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:



>That is just totally bogus. There is a whole process of
>qualifying vendors. A responsible company doesn't just
>find a company in China or anywhere and then take and
>ship their product. You inspect their facitlities, see what
>they are doing, do random quality inspection of incoming
>product. This isn't anything new. This is how business has been done
>for a LONG time.
>
>You ship me garbage and you're out

One of our customers provides us with a fabricated metal part
consisting of some steel wire welded in a grid and a couple of thin
steel strips and it is bent to a "U" shape. We use it in a product we
mold for them.

They have two suppliers, one in Ohio, the other in China. One arrives
perfectly stacked in crates on pallets and every part is identical and
usable. The other arrives tacked on pallets falling over, bottom
parts are bent and scrap and sometimes have to be slightly bent to fit
right. Would you prefer to buy the cheaper and better?

We also buy some tooling from China. Quality is as good, delivery is
half the time and half the price. I'd rather buy US products, but our
customers will not pay the price.

Yes, some junk comes from China, but it is often the crappy designs
the US management is sending over in search of bigger profits. Thinner
metal, smaller bearings, you've seen it. Appliances have been
downgraded for years , both here and abroad.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:02:35 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

>
>Based on my experience with CSR's representing countless companies,
>and having worked on the management side of IT help desks, I would put
>no faith in the assertion that they can pinpoint a problem that
>(allegedly) occurred during C shift on March 3, 2011 at the Yung Min
>Teng factory. I just don't believe that the folks wearing the headsets
>are entering data accurate enough to do that. I've experienced it as a
>consumer and I've seen it in practice at work.
>
>My "Garbage In, Garbage Out" referred to the data entered by the
>CSR's, not to any product.

I'm sure that varies by company. Some will care, others less so. On
many of our products we have no traceability one it is removed from
the package it is shipped in. Others, as required, can be traced to
the shift, operator, raw material. Individual parts are marked.

[Jim Elbrecht]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:08:22 -0600, Caesar Romano <Sp...@uce.gov>
wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:40:07 -0500, Duesenberg <a...@123.com> wrote Re
>Re: Bread Machine recommendation. Want one NOT made in China.:
>
>>Or consider trying a couple no-knead recipes? Just a thought...
>
>How about buying Wonder Bread?

I'm betting you've never tried any of the no-knead recipes. I've
done a couple and they are surprisingly good. [though I still
usually use my Kitchen Aid to do required kneading-- made in USA & a
lot more versatile than a bread machine]

No-knead is not a quick bread-- it usually lets time take the place of
sweat.

This one doesn't even do that-- and it isn't bad.
http://www.thekitchn.com/noknead-bread-i-35556

Jim

[tra...@optonline.net]

> CSR's, not to any product.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I thought you were referring to product, not CSRs.
Quality control goes well beyond what CSRs enter.
Have you heard of ISO 9000? If it were impossible
to control quality from foreign sources like China,
companies like Boeing would have planes falling out
of the air. IMO, US companies that are shipping crap
Chinese product are doing it because they don't
care and know perfectly well what they are getting
and shipping.

[tra...@optonline.net]

On Feb 1, 10:25 pm, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:28:16 -0800 (PST), "trad...@optonline.net"

Yes, I agree. You can't just blame it on the foreign
vendor, as if the US company has no control. The
US company comes up with the spec for the product
and should be able to measure the incoming product
against it using standard quality control practices.

[Kuskokwim]

On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 06:50:58 -0800, Bill wrote:

> I have stopped buying anything made in China. Too much crap. Too many
> returns.

How did you manage to buy a computer with no components made in China??

[Han]

Steve <hamme...@nowhere.net> wrote in
news:Xns9FEC91D56F89re...@216.151.153.49:

> I bought my wife one of the Zojirushi machines two years ago. This is
> her third one and is by far the best one she has ever had. I seems
> absolutely bulletproof in the two years that she has been using it.
> Look at Amazon and they get great reviews.

KingArthurflour.com also speaks highly of the Zojirushi and sells it. For
me, with a household of me and my wife and visits by kids and grandkids
occasionally, a $2-300 machine isn't cost-effective as long as my 30 year-
old Welbilt still works.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

[RonB]

On Jan 31, 10:03 pm, Ook <zoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have four bread machines, and they are all candidates for the trash
> can. One has motor problems, three have bread pans that don't last
> (the shaft seizes). None of them have lasted me a year. Not
> surprisingly, all of them are made in China.
>
> So, what is a good quality bread machine not made in China? I'm
> willing to pay a bit extra for it, I've certainly paid enough for the
> junk machines I already have. I don't need bells and whistles, I just
> need something that I can run 3-4 times a week. I seldom let it bake
> the bread, I just use it to nead the dough. I prefer to take the ready
> dough and shape it myself - I have a couple of nice Ecko french bread
> shaped pans that work nicely.
>
> Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
> recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
> are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that

> can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.

Why is everyone blaming China, Mexico, India and other offshore
manufacturers and service providers? It is American Corporate and
worker greed that is causing the problem. Stockholders demand more
return and union workers demand higher wages. Sometime ridiculously
higher wages.

[Jules Richardson]

buy used computer in US, take apart, reassemble - at which point it's all
made in the US, not China? ;)

[tra...@optonline.net]

On Feb 1, 5:31 pm, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >  They are supposed to
> > have the appropriate quality control processes in place
> > to prevent crap from getting through.  And a responsible
> > US company would stop
> > doing business with any vendors that try to pull such stunts.
>
> Companies don't find out a China manufacturer switched something until
> the products have already been imported and sold. They will NOT allow
> inspection.

Oh, please, that's just pure BS. There are numerous quality control
strategies that any company with a pulse can use to prevent
that from happening.

Or they set up phony assembly lines for quality
> inspectors. Out and out deception and fraud! See for yourself...

And when you do normal quality control sampling of the incoming
product that is made like crap, you find it. Or if the product
won't fit on the assembly line or breaks you know you have a
problem. Then you figure
out what they pulled and you send it back, don't pay for it,
and cut them off your vendor list.

>
> Read the book: Poorly Made in China: An Insider's Account of the

> Tactics Behind China's Production Game...http://www.amazon.com/Poorly-Made-China-Insiders-Production/dp/047040...

They can have a tactics they want. Any decent US company
that is concerned about quality won't let them get away with it.
On the other hand, there are US companies that don't give a
damn, and know perfectly well what they are buying. If you're
a US company shipping crap that is made in China, it's not
because of the Chinese, it's because of YOU.

[denni...@gmail.com]

On Jan 31, 11:03 pm, Ook <zoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
> recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
> are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that
> can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.

You want a classic KitchenAid stand mixer with a dough hook. I believe
I saw John Ratzenberger go through the factory where these are made,
so they're made in the USA.

[denni...@gmail.com]

On Feb 1, 5:31 pm, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Companies don't find out a China manufacturer switched something until
> the products have already been imported and sold. They will NOT allow
> inspection.

So does each container of product come with its own platoon of armed
Chinese soldiers to prevent inspection? If there are armed Chinese
soldiers on US soil holding manufacturer representatives at gunpoint,
why are we not doing something about it?

In other words, the US importer could inspect the product and send it
back, but they CHOOSE not to. It's cheaper to deal with the failures
than it is to send a load of shoddy product back to China.

They KNOW damn well what they're getting, but they CHOOSE to sell it
anyway, and they CHOOSE to continue to import it.

Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to continue
importing junk. They could say, "No more. Contract canceled." yet for
some reason they don't. I wonder why......

[The Daring Dufas]

The Chinese can make good stuff when they want to or are encouraged to
by the company they're manufacturing for. ^_^

TDD

[missin...@brainchampagne.com]

When I worked for Chrysler the senior executives got a new car every four months (all maintenance was included). Since they had to fill out a survey at the end they were considered product evaluators and this made the loaner cars tax-free.

I suggested that instead of having executives drive new cars, they be forced to drive ten year old Chryslers and pay for their own repairs, so they'd see what their customers actually went through.

You can imagine how little attention they paid to my idea...

[Juan Deere]

On 2/2/2012 9:57 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

>
> The Chinese can make good stuff when they want to or are encouraged to
> by the company they're manufacturing for. ^_^
>
> TDD

I suppose that's true but it still leaves us with the trade deficit problem.

US residents that buy Chinese products must really hate their children.

[The Daring Dufas]

Personally I love children, they're great with barbeque sauce and the
toes are the crunchy part. As far as purchasing Chinese products, it's
very difficult to find commodities that are not made in China. It seems
to me that every time I buy screws, nuts, bolts or pipe fitting it has
China stamped on the box or item itself. I've had to replace a lot of
capacitors in air conditioning units and it's almost impossible to find
a replacement part that's not made in China. I imagine that most of the
manufacturers would rather be in the U.S. if not for over regulation by
the government and the outrageous behavior of some labor unions that
make production costs unbearable. Most of our manufacturers have been
run off to China and other countries that are not hostile toward
businesses. I remember when personal computers were manufactured in The
United States, a desktop PC would cost around $5,000.00 and was state of
the art at the time but nowhere near the value you can get today just
about anywhere. O_o

TDD

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

...but will turn around and shaft you with crap if given a two second window
in which to do it.

[ocf...@gmail.com]

Japanese company.... But made in chi- nah

[Clare Snyder]

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 09:16:01 -0700 (PDT), ocf...@gmail.com wrote:

>Japanese company.... But made in chi- nah

Rots a ruck.

[mjph...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, January 31, 2012 at 11:03:31 PM UTC-5, Ook wrote:
> I have four bread machines, and they are all candidates for the trash
> can. One has motor problems, three have bread pans that don't last
> (the shaft seizes). None of them have lasted me a year. Not
> surprisingly, all of them are made in China.
>
> So, what is a good quality bread machine not made in China? I'm
> willing to pay a bit extra for it, I've certainly paid enough for the
> junk machines I already have. I don't need bells and whistles, I just
> need something that I can run 3-4 times a week. I seldom let it bake
> the bread, I just use it to nead the dough. I prefer to take the ready
> dough and shape it myself - I have a couple of nice Ecko french bread
> shaped pans that work nicely.
>

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 4/8/2020 9:50 AM, mjph...@gmail.com wrote:

>> Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
>> recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
>> are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that
>> can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.
>

My wife used the KitchenAid mixer. After the rise she did thenext step
by hand. Looks easy to me but I never did it.

[Betty Lu]

On 4/8/2020 9:50 AM, mjph...@gmail.com wrote:

I've never been disappointed with a Panasonic product...though they do cost a lot of dough.

[niedersach...@gmail.com]

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/26/2020 5:37 PM, niedersach...@gmail.com wrote:

>> Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
>> recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
>> are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that
>> can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.
>

Hands. Unless you are Chinese they are not made in China and they work
well. Last for years, easy to clean, never get lost in the back of a
cabinet.

[Clare Snyder]

My mom used a "Kenwood Chef" with a dough hook - got it in about 1959
- made in North America

[kelown]

>>>> Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
>>>> recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
>>>> are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that
>>>> can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.

Even if the mixer isn't made in China, the parts probably are.

[Shadow]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:03:31 -0800 (PST), Ook <zoo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Failing to find a good bread machine not made in China, can anyone
>recommend a good bread dough neading machine? I'm not sure what they
>are called - I've seen them from time to time, heavy duty mixers that
>can make bread dough. Again - I want one NOT made in China.

I make my own bread every week. My mixer was made in Brazil.
I call it my hands.
Yours will probably be American.
How hard is it to knead a kilo or two of flour? Your arthritis
is worse than mine? Use the no-knead method.
Flavor and texture are better too. (I do sourdough, a
breadmaker machine rarely gets that right).
[]'s

PS If you are looking for an industrial mixer, AHR is probably
not the best place to ask.
Another PS This thread is over EIGHT years old. LOL. Gotta
love Glugle newsgroups.
--
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We have a new policy - Google 2012

[cshenk]

Hi Nieder, I make all our bread (except crackers and a rare loaf) and
have for over 2 decades now, with a bread machine to do the mixing.
Takes about 1.5 hours in dough mode the turn it out to my own pans for
rising and then baking.


One not made in China is Panasonic. It's simple with no frills but I
had one for quite a few years and it worked well. They have a scale of
models from simple to quite complex.

Fancier but very nice is also from Japan, Zojirushi. I caught a
screaming sale at Amazon a bit ago and snagged the last one. It's a
dual paddle system that gives a functional bake shape if I want to use
that (and I have twice).

Probably more critical is what type of doughs are you making? That may
be the reason for your failing machines. You need a special one if
making 100% whole wheat, heavy rye mixes and so on.

Here's a standard 2lb dough run I use often:

1 1/3 c Buttermilk (or water and buttermilk powder)
1/3 c water
2-3 TB cut up butter (real butter)
4 c 'fluffed' white flour (spooned to fluff then to the cup)
2 TB sugar
1-2 ts salt
2 ts Active dry yeast (SAF yeast right now in 1lb bags)
Optional: I like to add herbs and spices, or crushed seeds

Because of Covid impact on our community, I have been distributing free
1lb loaves to help others with the food bill. I am estimating it's
been 230 of them now but that's a lowball estimate.

[cshenk]

Oh man! I missed that and replied too! 2012....

[Bob F]

I looked up the Zojirushi, knowing it was a Japanese brand. The
reference I found said that was manufactured in China. May be so for the
Panasonic also.

[cshenk]

Panasonic, Malasia, same for Zojirushi.

[katw...@gmail.com]

I may be too late on this...
Our West Bend bread machine has been a work horse for over 25 years. We have the Homestead model. Probably discontinued by now. Made in West Bend, WI; at least it was 26 years ago.

[sadf]

replying to Harry Johnson, sadf wrote:
8 years later see where your answer got us to

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[bluegras...@gmail.com]

I refuse to buy China made products.
My last machine was a Panasonic, and worked beautifully for 20 years.
Although a lot more trouble, researching products made in USA is challenging. Which, by the way, should not be.

[bluegras...@gmail.com]

A KitchenAid mixer is an excellent way to prepare your dough. The bread ‘hook’ comes with the unit.
Most bread recipes will suggest the mixer method for handmade or artisan bread.

[Rod Speed]

<bluegras...@gmail.com> wrote

> A KitchenAid mixer is an excellent way to prepare your dough.

A proper bread machine is a lot more convenient.

> The bread ‘hook’ comes with the unit.
> Most bread recipes will suggest the mixer
> method for handmade or artisan bread.

The best bread machines do those too.

[Rod Speed]

<bluegras...@gmail.com> wrote

> I refuse to buy China made products.

Then you will have a hell of a problem finding one you can buy.

> My last machine was a Panasonic, and worked beautifully for 20 years.
> Although a lot more trouble, researching products made in USA is
> challenging.

Bet there are none now. Guess you might be
able to find one on ebay or in a facebook buy
swap sell group that hasn’t been used much.

> Which, by the way, should not be.

You are free to start making them in the USA and go broke doing that.

[Peeler]

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[Peeler]

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[Kristine]

I am looking for a bread maker/s made in USA. Can you help me. I'm done with China!!!!!!!

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[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/24/2021 1:31 PM, Kristine wrote:
> I am looking for a bread maker/s made in USA. Can you help me.  I'm done
> with China!!!!!!!
>

No one has replied with on since this started 9 years ago so I guess
not. Mix by hand like your grandmother did.

[Dean Hoffman]

Is Panasonic building its stuff in Japan, at least?

[Ed Pawlowski]

Looks like the high end models are. Could still contain some China made
parts though.

https://tinyurl.com/2b3cxndm

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:31:07 +0000, Kristine
<0714a1d81a4652c7...@example.com> wrote:

>I am looking for a bread maker/s made in USA. Can you help me. I'm done with China!!!!!!!

Buy one that is 40 years old.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote

> Kristine <0714a1d81a4652c7...@example.com> wrote

>> I am looking for a bread maker/s made in USA.
>> Can you help me. I'm done with China!!!!!!!

> Buy one that is 40 years old.

Fat chance it will still be working.

[rbowman]

On 03/24/2021 11:31 AM, Kristine wrote:
> I am looking for a bread maker/s made in USA. Can you help me. I'm done
> with China!!!!!!!
>

When I bake bread the maker is definitely made in the USA and I have the
ID to prove it.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Which is crustier, the bread or the maker?

[Snag]

Tossup .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:43:01 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

>> Buy one that is 40 years old.
>
> Fat chance it will still be working.

Do you get some sort of senile, tiny orgasm whenever you find an opportunity
to auto-contradict, senile Arsetralian cretin?

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[Peeler]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:56:51 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>> I am looking for a bread maker/s made in USA. Can you help me. I'm done
>> with China!!!!!!!
>>
>
> When I bake bread the maker is definitely made in the USA and I have the
> ID to prove it.

We know, senile gossip, but that doesn't answer her question.

[rbowman]

The maker, definitely.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 07:50:13 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,

troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

>> Which is crustier, the bread or the maker?
>
> The maker, definitely.

Are you sure? Senilely sure? <BG>

[Oupai]

Is anybody here going to answer the bloody question? Are the any bread makers NOT MADE IN CHINA!?

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 3:31:17 PM UTC-4, Oupai wrote:
> Is anybody here going to answer the bloody question? Are the any bread makers NOT MADE IN CHINA!?

Why should we do your homework for you? Start googling.

It should be blindingly obvious that the people here either have a bread machine
that works for them or they aren't interested in bread machines.

Cindy Hamilton

[hub...@ccanoemail.ca]

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-09/01/c_138355421_7.htm

John T. ;-)

[Dean Hoffman]

On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 2:31:17 PM UTC-5, Oupai wrote:
> Is anybody here going to answer the bloody question? Are the any bread makers NOT MADE IN CHINA!?
> --

> For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/bread-machine-recommendation-want-one-not-made-in-china-682818-.html

Maybe the best way to guarantee All American bread would be to use traditional methods like my mom and
countless other women like her used. You might have to go to a yard sale or two to get some old pans. That would
leave the question of where your oven was made.

[Rod Speed]

Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote

It doesn’t want all american bread, it wants a bread maker NOT MADE IN CHINA

[Dean Hoffman]

I got that. Making bread in the traditional way would eliminate the need for a fancy
gizmo.

[Rod Speed]

Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote

But is a hell of a lot more work with no gizmo.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Buy a KitchenAid mixer. They come with a bread hook and they are made
in the USA
https://askinglot.com/are-all-kitchenaid-products-made-in-the-usa
There are also plenty of other attachments for them that do all sorts
of stuff.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote

> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> > Oupai wrote

>>> >> Is anybody here going to answer the bloody question? Are the any
>>> >> bread
>>> >> makers NOT MADE IN CHINA!?
>>> >> --
>>> >> For full context, visit
>>> >> https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/bread-machine-recommendation-want-one-not-made-in-china-682818-.html
>>>
>>> > Maybe the best way to guarantee All American bread would be to
>>> > use traditional methods like my mom and countless other women
>>> > like her used. You might have to go to a yard sale or two to get some
>>> > old pans. That would leave the question of where your oven was made.
>>> It doesn’t want all american bread, it wants a bread maker NOT MADE IN
>>> CHINA
>>
>> I got that. Making bread in the traditional way would eliminate the
>> need for a fancy
>>gizmo.
>
> Buy a KitchenAid mixer. They come with a bread hook and they are made
> in the USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KitchenAid
Today, some KitchenAid products are manufactured in Ohio, South Carolina,
Iowa, Mississippi, Indiana, Arkansas, Ontario, and Quebec while others are
manufactured in China,[13]

[gfre...@aol.com]

White goods may come from China.
The mixers are made in Ohio.

[Clare Snyder]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 19:31:12 +0000, Oupai
<48421405f81189a4...@example.com> wrote:

>Is anybody here going to answer the bloody question? Are the any bread makers NOT MADE IN CHINA!?

Some are made in VietNam if that helps

[Clare Snyder]

That one is made in China too - Mongolia is still part of China last
time I checked

[Rod Speed]

Clare Snyder <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote

You need to check again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolia#Post-Cold_War

[Peeler]

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[Peeler]

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[Buck Fiden]

On 8/30/21 10:42 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> Buy a KitchenAid mixer. They come with a bread hook and they are made
> in the USA
> https://askinglot.com/are-all-kitchenaid-products-made-in-the-usa
> There are also plenty of other attachments for them that do all sorts
> of stuff.

Those things are built.  I think you could mix concrete in a KitchenAid stand mixer and not hurt it. Easily pour your own sidewalks.

[Retirednoguilt]

Whoever asked the original question probably owns something (probably
lots of things) with electronic circuit parts. How many of those
contain NO parts made in China? Very likely none. So, does he/she
refuse to buy a tv, cell phone, automobile, etc. Why pick on bread
machines as the target of a personal boycott? Both our political
parties have advocated for and promoted world trade. Even North Korea
imports things.

[gfre...@aol.com]

I don't think there are any significant electronics in a KitchenAid
mixer. It is just a bad ass motor in a really tough case. The speed
control is probably PWM tho.

[Retirednoguilt]

Agreed. But not to be argumentative, the OP asked about a Bread Maker,
not a mixer.

[Marilyn Manson]

What's your definition of "significant"?

https://www.genuinereplacementparts.com/kitchenaid-kb26g1xob3-speed-control-assembly-genuine-oem

(My definition makes that a pretty significant part)

[angelica...@yahoo.com]

Probably depends on the age and model in question. I have a 1980s
Kitchenaid stand mixer and it's quite obviously all mechanical.

Cindy Hamilton

["\"Re...@home.com]

On 8/30/21 3:31 PM, Oupai wrote:
> Is anybody here going to answer the bloody question? Are the any bread
> makers NOT MADE IN CHINA!?
>

According to the author of this "Top Ten (or 11) Breadmakers" article,
here is her response to the question:
"Are any bread makers made in the USA?

Reply

Hi Mary,
I don’t know of any and I’m always looking because buyers want the
USA made products! I’ve checked a few brands that say made in America,
but after further research, I find that was a lie.
Best regards,
Anna"

All listed in the Top Ten are all made in China.

https://www.cookwarenews.com/top-10-best-bread-maker-reviews-buying-guide.html

[Marilyn Manson]

Not arguing...just curious...

What makes it "quite obviously all mechanical"?

I ask because there were models from the early 80's, such as the K5SS,
which is the upgraded version of the K5A and has a solid state motor,
so it's not really "all mechanical".

What model do you have? We have a 2011 Artisan with a whole bunch
of attachments. 2 people teaming up to make pasta usually leads to a
lot of laughs.