Why does Russia announce when they retreat from Unkranian areas?

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micky

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Oct 2, 2022, 6:53:57 PMOct 2
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OT Why does Russia announce when they retreat from Unkranian areas?
Since when to warring armies announce retreats? What usually happens is
the other side announces their victories, and mayyybe there is some
press around to announce it, but that's not what the news says, that
some press person is announcing it. They say Russia has.


Also Ambassador nnnnn is having his face and voice imitated on zoom
calls, but I couldn't get details. ????

Dean Hoffman

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Oct 2, 2022, 7:34:48 PMOct 2
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I forget which city it was. Putin was announcing that the city had been annexed while the
Russian military was leaving.

danny burstein

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Alas, "Baghdad Bob" (Muhammad [Saeed] al-Sahhaf) has faded from
public view. Supposedly still alive at age 85, but I couldn't
find any English language references to him any recent time.


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micky

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Oct 2, 2022, 8:01:15 PMOct 2
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:34:44 -0700 (PDT), Dean
Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 5:53:57 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
>> OT Why does Russia announce when they retreat from Unkranian areas?
>> Since when to warring armies announce retreats? What usually happens is
>> the other side announces their victories, and mayyybe there is some
>> press around to announce it, but that's not what the news says, that
>> some press person is announcing it. They say Russia has.
>>

This part is sepearate from the first part. A two minute interview on
the radio where someone whose name was probably given at the beginning
when I wasn't listenting and should have been given at the end
>> Also Ambassador nnnnn is having his face and voice imitated on zoom
>> calls, but I couldn't get details. ????
>
> I forget which city it was. Putin was announcing that the city had been annexed while the
>Russian military was leaving.

I understand why he and the Russians woudl want to announce the
annexation, but on more than one occasion they've announced retreats or
moving troops to another area. Since when do armies do this? It seems
counter-productive from their pov.

rbowman

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Oct 2, 2022, 10:32:04 PMOct 2
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Lyman, a charming town of 20,000. It is a railway junction but how
important is open to question. It's also 85% ethnic Ukrainians so it
might be a lot more trouble that it's worth as disgruntled Ukes sabotage
the rolling stock.


rbowman

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Oct 2, 2022, 10:33:11 PMOct 2
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On 10/2/22 18:01, micky wrote:
> I understand why he and the Russians woudl want to announce the
> annexation, but on more than one occasion they've announced retreats or
> moving troops to another area. Since when do armies do this? It seems
> counter-productive from their pov.

Rope-a-dope?

T

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Oct 2, 2022, 11:48:51 PMOct 2
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It is face saving. When the whole world knows
your got your sorry ass kicked, you turn around and
say "I meant to do that".

They did the same thing when they got their asses
kicked on way to Kiev.

Peeler

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On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 20:33:02 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
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> Rope-a-dope?

Is that obnoxious grandiloquent juggler with words awake in you again,
blabbermouth?

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Peeler

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On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 20:31:54 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Lyman, a charming town of 20,000. It is a railway junction but how
> important is open to question. It's also 85% ethnic Ukrainians so it
> might be a lot more trouble that it's worth as disgruntled Ukes sabotage
> the rolling stock.

How do you know it's a "charming" town, blabbermouth? Or did you only want
to write another flowery, "special" sentence for your enthused readership on
Usenet? <BG>

zall

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Oct 3, 2022, 4:47:08 PMOct 3
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2022 09:53:47 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:

> OT Why does Russia announce when they retreat from Unkranian areas?

They don't.

> Since when to warring armies announce retreats?

They don't announce their own.

> What usually happens is the other side announces their victories,

Always happens in fact.

> and mayyybe there is some
> press around to announce it, but that's not what the news says, that
> some press person is announcing it. They say Russia has.

Just more shit journalism.

zall

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Oct 3, 2022, 4:59:01 PMOct 3
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I don't recall them ever doing that and I do check the news every day.

> Since when do armies do this?

Never that I have seen.

> It seems counter-productive from their pov.

Not really, the opposition would have noticed that they did that.

Peeler

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rbowman

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Oct 3, 2022, 10:58:16 PMOct 3
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On 10/3/22 14:58, zall wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2022 11:01:06 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:34:44 -0700 (PDT), Dean
>> Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 5:53:57 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
>>>> OT Why does Russia announce when they retreat from Unkranian areas?
>>>> Since when to warring armies announce retreats? What usually happens is
>>>> the other side announces their victories, and mayyybe there is some
>>>> press around to announce it, but that's not what the news says, that
>>>> some press person is announcing it. They say Russia has.
>>>>
>>
>> This part is sepearate from the first part. A two minute interview on
>> the radio where someone whose name was probably given at the beginning
>> when I wasn't listenting and should have been given at the end
>>>> Also Ambassador nnnnn is having his face and voice imitated on zoom
>>>> calls, but I couldn't get details. ????
>>>
>>>     I forget which city it was.  Putin was announcing that the city
>>> had been annexed while the
>>> Russian military was leaving.
>>
>> I understand why he and the Russians woudl want to announce the
>> annexation, but on more  than one occasion they've announced retreats or
>> moving troops to another area.
>
> I don't recall them ever doing that and I do check the news every day.


https://www.rt.com/russia/563866-krasny-liman-withdrawal-troops/

Try something other than CNN.

Dateline 3 Oct:

https://www.rt.com/russia/563979-kiev-kherson-attack-repelled/
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22#h_437069baeda2395df6c3aa109f511add

Who to believe? I wonder if Selenskyj can spell Pyrrhic?

Peeler

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> https://www.rt.com/russia/563866-krasny-liman-withdrawal-troops/

Is that about troops withdrawal now, you endlessly driveling grandiloquent
senile blabbermouth?

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zall

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Oct 4, 2022, 5:01:34 AMOct 4
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That's not announcing, just confirming.
Neither of those are the russians announcing a retreat.

Peeler

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bruce bowser

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Oct 5, 2022, 6:05:55 PMOct 5
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The international defense industry has its own quirks and foibles peppered with secrecy, that are naturally hard to explain.

micky

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Oct 6, 2022, 12:04:51 AMOct 6
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In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 04 Oct 2022 07:46:58 +1100, zall
<zal...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Oct 2022 09:53:47 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> OT Why does Russia announce when they retreat from Unkranian areas?
>
>They don't.

I think they do.
>
>> Since when to warring armies announce retreats?
>
>They don't announce their own.

Long established, respected news sources have said they do.

>> What usually happens is the other side announces their victories,
>
>Always happens in fact.

I'm sure it doesn't happ always.

>> and mayyybe there is some
>> press around to announce it, but that's not what the news says, that
>> some press person is announcing it. They say Russia has.
>
>Just more shit journalism.

I discount almost all statements with vulgarities in them. If people
have a point to make and they can't make it with polite language, they
don't understand the world very well.

zall

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 15:04:43 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:

> In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 04 Oct 2022 07:46:58 +1100, zall
> <zal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Oct 2022 09:53:47 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OT Why does Russia announce when they retreat from Unkranian areas?
>>
>> They don't.
>
> I think they do.

Then you will be able to produce examples of when they have done that.

>>> Since when to warring armies announce retreats?
>>
>> They don't announce their own.
>
> Long established, respected news sources have said they do.

They have got that wrong.

>>> What usually happens is the other side announces their victories,
>>
>> Always happens in fact.
>
> I'm sure it doesn't happ always.

Corse it does.

>>> and mayyybe there is some
>>> press around to announce it, but that's not what the news says, that
>>> some press person is announcing it. They say Russia has.
>>
>> Just more shit journalism.

> I discount almost all statements with vulgarities in them.

More fool you.

> If people
> have a point to make and they can't make it with polite language, they
> don't understand the world very well.

Even sillier that you usually manage and that's saying something.

Peeler

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Oct 10, 2022, 6:29:01 AMOct 10
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On 10/5/22 21:04, micky wrote:
>>> OT Why does Russia announce when they retreat from Unkranian areas?
>> They don't.

> I think they do.

My experience too.

Although I did try to locate a Russian news outlet
to see if they had anything and search.brave.com
drew a blank.



trader_4

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Oct 10, 2022, 10:09:34 AMOct 10
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I'm pretty sure the British let their people know about Dunkirk right after that
retreat. Biden let Americans know about his hasty, badly mismanaged retreat
from Afghanistan, even as it was happening, so your premise is incorrect. The
reason the Russians are doing it is the same, the people know it's happening,
both from the world news and from soldiers involved, so the Russians think it's
better to have a story and get it out and try to make it look better.

zall

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Oct 10, 2022, 4:43:22 PMOct 10
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Not in the announce sense tho, more how well they did that.

They certainly didnt announce the retreat to the coast before
they to use lots of small boats to get back across the channel.

> Biden let Americans know about his hasty, badly mismanaged retreat
> from Afghanistan, even as it was happening,

Again, that wasnt ANNOUNCED.

> so your premise is incorrect. The
> reason the Russians are doing it is the same,

No they are not, JUST admitting that they have retreated
after that has been reported by others.

Peeler

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