Why some Mike ‘Holmes Approved Homes’ are now being demolished

[Oscar]

CBC News has learned two homes in a Meaford, Ont., development promoted by celebrity contractor Mike Holmes have been demolished because of alleged defects.
CBC News’s Sophia Harris breaks down what went wrong and Holmes’s company’s response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEEljb-_3OE

Is Mike Holmes as full of shit as a Canada goose?

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <49buN.56964$24ld....@fx07.iad>, os...@127.0.0.1 says...
> Newsgroups: alt.home.repair

>
> CBC News has learned two homes in a Meaford, Ont., development promoted by celebrity contractor Mike Holmes have been demolished because of alleged defects.

> CBC News?s Sophia Harris breaks down what went wrong and Holmes?s company?s response.

>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEEljb-_3OE
>
> Is Mike Holmes as full of shit as a Canada goose?
>
>
>
>

He probably is.

I bet that he is more of a businessman and show off than a 'real' home
expert builder.

Many of the reality TV show people are actually actors or paid to act
instead of the experts they seem to be.

[Clare Snyder]

You need to look at this a little closer.Mike Holmes did not build
the houses. Yes, he advertised them and approved the development - I
would assume this included approving the plans.

The builder/ developer, Third Line Homes, built the homes and the
municipality presumably inspected the buildings throughout the
construction. Mike Holmes apparently did not. The inspectors obviously
missed something

His financial involvement was providing mortgage financing to buy the
empty lots.
He IS a builder in his own right - and from all previous reports is
"better than average" and "detail oriented"

What I would LIKE to see is him stepping up and getting involved in
replacing the houses for the displaced owners and owning up to having
msfe amistake in promoting the development without his "eyes on the
job" to ensure the quality was up to his high standards.

[Ed P]

On 1/30/2024 10:40 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:

> You need to look at this a little closer.Mike Holmes did not build
> the houses. Yes, he advertised them and approved the development - I
> would assume this included approving the plans.
>
> The builder/ developer, Third Line Homes, built the homes and the
> municipality presumably inspected the buildings throughout the
> construction. Mike Holmes apparently did not. The inspectors obviously
> missed something
>
> His financial involvement was providing mortgage financing to buy the
> empty lots.
> He IS a builder in his own right - and from all previous reports is
> "better than average" and "detail oriented"
>
> What I would LIKE to see is him stepping up and getting involved in
> replacing the houses for the displaced owners and owning up to having
> msfe amistake in promoting the development without his "eyes on the
> job" to ensure the quality was up to his high standards.

So he WAS a better than average builder now he is a huckster for
sub-standard housing. Given his past reputation from the TV show many
people got sucked into buying what they thought to be top notch housing.

This is something a sharp builder with his reputation for inspection
should have caught. He was associated with it. I'd not be surprised if
people went after him for being a shyster.

Proof that celebrity endorsements are just crap.

[kelown]

> Mike Holmes did not build the houses.
>

> The builder/ developer, Third Line Homes, built the homes and the
> municipality presumably inspected the buildings throughout the
> construction. Mike Holmes apparently did not. The inspectors obviously
> missed something

Sounds like Mike Holmes isn't to blame here.

[Ed P]

Maybe. Depends on what he actually said in the sales pitch. He is
definitely involved in the marketing. He has a reputation for quality
and if he says they are good and they do not meet code, he is guilty of
deception. People bought because of his reputation.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <9pfjridf69lhn5o7p...@4ax.com>,
cl...@snyder.on.ca says...

>
> You need to look at this a little closer.Mike Holmes did not build
> the houses. Yes, he advertised them and approved the development - I
> would assume this included approving the plans.
>
> The builder/ developer, Third Line Homes, built the homes and the
> municipality presumably inspected the buildings throughout the
> construction. Mike Holmes apparently did not. The inspectors obviously
> missed something
>
>
>

It is difficult for me to see how an inspector could miss things on
several homes so badly that the homes were less expensive to tare down
instead of repairing them. Maybe an inspector pay off ? Or inspectors
that were not really qualified in the first place.

I had one of the metal garages built a few years ago and the inspector
even caught that only 2 screws were used in some places where the plans
called for 4 screws, 2 on each side instead of just 1.
They were 10 feet from the ground at the top of the walls. The
inspector made several trips out during each phase of the $ 8500
building. One would think on a home costing several hundred thousand
would be worth a good inspection.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2024-01-31, Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
> In article <9pfjridf69lhn5o7p...@4ax.com>,
> cl...@snyder.on.ca says...
>>
>> You need to look at this a little closer.Mike Holmes did not build
>> the houses. Yes, he advertised them and approved the development - I
>> would assume this included approving the plans.
>>
>> The builder/ developer, Third Line Homes, built the homes and the
>> municipality presumably inspected the buildings throughout the
>> construction. Mike Holmes apparently did not. The inspectors obviously
>> missed something
>>
>>
>>
>
> It is difficult for me to see how an inspector could miss things on
> several homes so badly that the homes were less expensive to tare down
> instead of repairing them. Maybe an inspector pay off ? Or inspectors
> that were not really qualified in the first place.

I imagine that when an entire subdivision is going up, inspections
are not as detailed as we might wish.

I don't know how many subdivisions I've seen built where they
put up OSB and leave it to weather all winter, getting back to
the job in the spring. Those houses must be _creaky_ from the
get-go.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Robert L Peters]

It looks to me like Mike is just like a typical politician,
says one thing but does another.

[Scott Lurndal]

I'd say that drawing conclusions on a legal case from an
article on the web is fraught.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 31 Jan 2024 10:12:37 -0500, Ralph Mowery

<rmow...@charter.net> wrote:

>In article <9pfjridf69lhn5o7p...@4ax.com>,
>cl...@snyder.on.ca says...
>>
>> You need to look at this a little closer.Mike Holmes did not build
>> the houses. Yes, he advertised them and approved the development - I
>> would assume this included approving the plans.
>>
>> The builder/ developer, Third Line Homes, built the homes and the
>> municipality presumably inspected the buildings throughout the
>> construction. Mike Holmes apparently did not. The inspectors obviously
>> missed something
>>
>>
>>
>
>It is difficult for me to see how an inspector could miss things on
>several homes so badly that the homes were less expensive to tare down
>instead of repairing them. Maybe an inspector pay off ? Or inspectors
>that were not really qualified in the first place.
>
>I had one of the metal garages built a few years ago and the inspector
>even caught that only 2 screws were used in some places where the plans
>called for 4 screws, 2 on each side instead of just 1.
>They were 10 feet from the ground at the top of the walls. The

Wow.

>inspector made several trips out during each phase of the $ 8500
>building. One would think on a home costing several hundred thousand
>would be worth a good inspection.

You'd think.

[Ed P]

Legality of it? Sure. Moral and ethical situation? He is a shyster.
IMO, his reputation is gone.

[Scott Lurndal]

But you've not heard the whole story from both sides. Just one side.

Not saying he's not a shyster, just that it hasn't been proven.

I don't watch reality TV so I've never heard of the guy.

[Ed P]

I've watched his show. His thing is to find and correct the errors of
others and make it right. From the TV show he has a good reputation.
If he is marketing houses by a builder, he should have checked them out
before his approval.

When a celebrity gives their imprimatur there is an implication that is
is good and can be trusted. He failed. Big time. People trusted him.

[Scott Lurndal]

According to the article I read, he offered to inspect the properties
for a price, but no homeowner took him up on the offer.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <Q1xuN.131491$q3F7....@fx45.iad>, sc...@slp53.sl.home
says...

>
> >When a celebrity gives their imprimatur there is an implication that is
> >is good and can be trusted. He failed. Big time. People trusted him.
>
> According to the article I read, he offered to inspect the properties
> for a price, but no homeowner took him up on the offer.
>
>

With him knowing how badly home repairs and building has been done he
should have inspected the homes or at least one at random to see if they
met his seal of approval.

I hope he looses his shows on TV for endorsing a product that is a
failure to the tune of probably several million dollars.

There aree many celeberties that endorse products that I will never try
like all those vitimens that do all kind of wonderful things.

[Ed P]

Well, why should you? He endorsed the product so it must be good. They
did not state the cost of the inspection either, I bet it was more than
the typical home inspection people get.

[Scott Lurndal]

Tom Selleck[*] endorses reverse mortgages on TV. That doesn't mean they're good.

If someone relies on a celebrity endorsement about anything, they
should take responsibility for their irresonsibility and perform
due diligence, particularly on a home purchase.

Regardless, until all sides have been aired, drawing conclusions
based on an article is premature.

[Clare Snyder]

Cuilding inspectors aren't much better than hone inspectors half blind
and lazy in many cases. The situation isn't much different than the
"boeing fiasco" The "government" is too cheap to hire inspectors to do
the job

[Clare Snyder]

There is also the question od if the defective materials would have
been obvious upon visual inspection - or if faulty installation would
have been ocvious. Id the builders were shysters, instead of
incompetent, they could have "cheaped out" where it was difficult to
catch.

[Clare Snyder]

and most home inspectors would be overpaid if you bought them a
burger and fries

[Hiram T Schwantz]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:03:41 -0500, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...

> and most home inspectors would be overpaid if you bought them a
> burger and fries
>

HAAAAA good one!

--
Hiram