nails or screws?

[leza wang]

Hi

I am going to use this type of siding for my front

http://www.homedepot.ca/product/lp-smartside-3-8-inch-4-feet-x-8-feet-8-inch-oc-panel/935905

I am not sure what is the best way to install it, should I use nails or screws? what type? what size?

I am thinking for 8x3 deck screw?

http://www.homedepot.ca/product/8x3-green-deck-screws-1-500-pieces/957466

Do I need special tool? like nail gun etc or it can be done manually?

Thanks a lot.

[Tony Hwang]

Hmmm,
Whatrever you use, don't forget to make sure the siding has some ability
to move. For example. it can expand and shrink when cold or hot. Don't
drive the nail or screw TOO tight.

[DerbyDad03]

You say you are thinking of using deck screws and then ask if you need nail
gun. You do know that a nail gun is for nails, not screws, right?

Assuming you are going to use screws, there's no way you want to it
"manually". You want a powered driver like you asked for in your other
thread. However, the screw heads will be more visible than nails. I've used
screws with Smart Side and they definitely show more than nails would.

Nails can certainly be done manually - it's been done that way for
centuries - but you might want to consider renting a nail gun.

[tra...@optonline.net]

Maybe it's just me, but when I have a new product I'm not familiar
with, I read the manufacturer's installation instructions....

http://www.lpcorp.com/smartside/lap/resources/

They talk about using nails, no mention of screws. I would think
the issue with screws would be they take more work, cost more,
are more difficult to hide and don't offer any compelling advantage.
There is also a lot more there about how it to correctly install
it besides fastening.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

PL adhesive on the studs - slap up the siding and hit it with the
nail gun.. No less than every 18 inches. Twice that won't hurt, but
not required with the glue.

[hrho...@sbcglobal.net]

On Monday, July 22, 2013 11:36:31 PM UTC-5, leza wang wrote:
> Hi I am going to use this type of siding for my front http://www.homedepot.ca/product/lp-smartside-3-8-inch-4-feet-x-8-feet-8-inch-oc-panel/935905 I am not sure what is the best way to install it, should I use nails or screws? what type? what size? I am thinking for 8x3 deck screw? http://www.homedepot.ca/product/8x3-green-deck-screws-1-500-pieces/957466 Do I need special tool? like nail gun etc or it can be done manually? Thanks a lot.

Don't use abbreviations like PL adhesive, Leza need to have things spelled out so there is no misunderstanding. I'm not even sure what PL adhesive is. and I've owned sever houses and do a LOT of repairs myself. Last outsider we had in our house for any type of repairs or appliance installation was 25 years ago

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

PL adhesive is PL adhesive - it is a generic term like "kleenex" for
construction adhesive and any building supply will carry several
versions. I'm not sure which number you would use for this application
- but even Home Despot has the applications listed.

[DerbyDad03]

PL isn't an abbreviation...it's a product line.

http://www.loctiteproducts.com/loctite-pl-construction-adhesives-sealants.shtml

[Tony Hwang]

Hi,
Naturally when I think siding, screws do not even register in my head.
I don't remember anyone doing siding job wielding drill to screw. I saw
pop,pop nail gun or tap, tap hammer.

[bnl...@gmail.com]

The manufacture recommended nails. Look at www.lpcorp.com/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2762 for the installation instructions.

[Bob F]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> PL adhesive is PL adhesive - it is a generic term like "kleenex" for
> construction adhesive and any building supply will carry several
> versions.

I'm pretty sure that the manufacturer would strongly disagree with this
assesment.

[Oren]

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:21:35 -0600, Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>Naturally when I think siding, screws do not even register in my head.
>I don't remember anyone doing siding job wielding drill to screw. I saw
>pop,pop nail gun or tap, tap hammer.

Given my eyesight now days, I'd miss the nail with a hammer and damage
the siding. I would use my trusty nail gun.

[man...@toolshed.com]

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:36:31 -0700 (PDT), leza wang <leza...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I wouldn't even consider screws. If you apply them with a power tool,
they will likely go in too deep in some places and leave ugly holes.
You could put them in by hand if you want to do a lot of work, and that
way you can control the depth. But screws will be more noticable.

If this was my job, I'd use gavanized nails, probably a 6 penny size,
and drive them in by hand with a hammer, which will yield the best
results. Power nailers can tend to drive nails in too deep just like
screws, or not deep enough, which will require using a hammer to fix. I
may be old fashioned, but those are small nails and not that hard to
hammer in.

Since that siding appears to be pre-finished, do they make a colored
nail for it, to match the color? I'd ask about that. But galvanized
nails wont be all that bad of a look either. And maybe you'll still
paint the finished wall????

[DerbyDad03]

<man...@toolshed.com> wrote:


>
> Since that siding appears to be pre-finished, do they make a colored
> nail for it, to match the color? I'd ask about that. But galvanized
> nails wont be all that bad of a look either. And maybe you'll still
> paint the finished wall????

The Smart siding is pre-primed, not pre-finished.

[Robert Green]

<pilgrim> wrote in message
news:g360v859iuluosalc...@4ax.com...

> Marketing major at work: "You gonna want fries with that?"

Reminds me of the old joke. What's the difference between an English major
and a pizza?

A pizza can feed a family of four.

--
Bobby G.

[David Harmon]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 05:41:24 -0500 in alt.home.repair,
man...@toolshed.com wrote,

>results. Power nailers can tend to drive nails in too deep just like
>screws, or not deep enough, which will require using a hammer to fix.

Aren't they adjustable?

[Oren]

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:38:10 -0700, David Harmon <sou...@netcom.com>
wrote:

Yes Sir, they are.

[6ko...@gmail.com]

The question is "Can you use screws instead of nails on LP smart Siding. " After not seeing any intelligent answers to this question I called LP (Louisiana Pacific) as there is no mention of screws in the literature. YES- you can use screws, just be sure they are either galvanized or stainless steel. Still need to penetrate 1.5 inch into studs. Would be nice if they would put this in their literature. My projects are small DIY at home things and I frequently disassemble to re use or alter what I build, so I have stopped using nails as much as possible. Also, good to know-- Smart Side is different from Hardi as it is not a cement boared; it is an engineered wood product, so much easier to work with using conventional wood tools.

[dpb]

Well, it's in the installation detail documents under alternative
fastening section p 3ff...

• 38 Series Strand Substrate lap must be fastened with:
-Minimum #8 hot dip galvanized tapered head wood screw, spaced a
maximum of 12 inches (305 mm) o.c. or...
-Minimum 6d (0.092 inch shank diameter) hot-dipped galvanized ring shank
nail, spaced a maximum of 8 inches (203 mm) o.c.

• 76 Series Strand Substrate lap must be fastened with:
-Minimum #8 hot dip galvanized tapered head wood screw, spaced a maximum
of 16 inches (406 mm) o.c. or...
-Minimum 6d (0.092 inch shank diameter) hot-dipped galvanized ring shank
nail, spaced a maximum of 12 inches o.c.

--

[Ed Pawlowski]

To me, that is saying "buy a nail gun" I don't see that a 3" screw is
needed, but nailing will save a lot of time.

[dpb]

On 10/14/2019 2:55 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/14/2019 1:39 PM, dpb wrote:
>> On 10/14/2019 11:06 AM, 6ko...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 22, 2013 at 11:36:31 PM UTC-5, leza wang wrote:

...

>>>     The question is "Can you use screws instead of nails on LP smart
>>> Siding. "  After not seeing any intelligent answers to this question
>>> I called LP (Louisiana Pacific) as there is no mention of screws in
>>> the literature. YES- you can use screws, just be sure they are either
>>> galvanized or stainless steel. Still need to penetrate 1.5 inch into
>>> studs. Would be nice if they would put this in their literature. My
>>> projects are small DIY at home things and I frequently disassemble to
>>> re use or alter what I build, so I have stopped using nails as much
>>> as possible. Also, good to know--  Smart Side is different from Hardi
>>> as it is not a cement boared; it is an engineered wood product, so
>>> much easier to work with using conventional wood tools.
>>
>> Well, it's in the installation detail documents under alternative
>> fastening section p 3ff...
>>
>> •    38 Series Strand Substrate lap must be fastened with:
>> -Minimum  #8 hot dip galvanized tapered head wood screw, spaced a
>> maximum of 12 inches (305 mm) o.c. or...
>> -Minimum 6d (0.092 inch shank diameter) hot-dipped galvanized ring
>> shank nail, spaced a maximum of 8 inches (203 mm) o.c.
>>
>> •    76 Series Strand Substrate lap must be fastened with:
>> -Minimum #8 hot dip galvanized tapered head wood screw, spaced a
>> maximum of 16 inches (406 mm) o.c. or...
>> -Minimum 6d (0.092 inch shank diameter) hot-dipped galvanized ring
>> shank nail, spaced a maximum of 12 inches o.c.
>>

> To me, that is saying "buy a nail gun"  I don't see that a 3" screw is
> needed, but nailing will save a lot of time.

Indeed. We just finished residing the whole house plus the new entryway
w/ the product. Nailed, using nail gun. Driving nail by hand is
possible but difficult; the surface is hardened and so not like starting
nail in cedar or even fir siding--you gots to whack it hard which most
nonprofessionals can't do well starting.

We'll have to see how it holds up to SW KS weather...looks good
initially, anyways...

--

[dpb]

On 10/14/2019 2:55 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 10/14/2019 1:39 PM, dpb wrote:

...

>> Well, it's in the installation detail documents under alternative
>> fastening section p 3ff...
>>
>> •    38 Series Strand Substrate lap must be fastened with:
>> -Minimum  #8 hot dip galvanized tapered head wood screw, spaced a
>> maximum of 12 inches (305 mm) o.c. or...
>> -Minimum 6d (0.092 inch shank diameter) hot-dipped galvanized ring
>> shank nail, spaced a maximum of 8 inches (203 mm) o.c.
>>
>> •    76 Series Strand Substrate lap must be fastened with:
>> -Minimum #8 hot dip galvanized tapered head wood screw, spaced a
>> maximum of 16 inches (406 mm) o.c. or...
>> -Minimum 6d (0.092 inch shank diameter) hot-dipped galvanized ring
>> shank nail, spaced a maximum of 12 inches o.c.
>>
>> --
>>
>
> To me, that is saying "buy a nail gun"  I don't see that a 3" screw is
> needed, but nailing will save a lot of time.

A 6d is 2" which will be ~1.25" penetration of stud w/ 1/2" substrate.
3" screw is overkill fer shure...

--

[ryan meyer]

Nailing may save time during install but how much time will you spend hammering nails down that work their way out over the years? In places like Sacramento, CA where Summers ca be 110+ in the day and 57 degrees at night the nails tend to work their way out from the siding expanding and contracting. I've never seen a screw back out like nails do.