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InsaneDIY
Jul 12, 2012, 11:57:56 AM7/12/12
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We are in the process of purchasing a 1987 condo in the panhandle of
Florida. It is going to be a complete remodel... even the cabinets are
original and in very sad shape.
While we are looking forward to this next project (we built our home in
2006) we have no idea what products can be put on a concrete ceiling.
It is currently covered in the dreaded popcorn. I understand why
popcorn was used that doesn't make us like it any better. We have every
intention of removing it. My question lies after removal. I have no
idea if it is cast concrete, beams or what. It is the penthouse so the
actual building ceiling is above us. I have no idea how that effects us.
I was hoping we could remove the popcorn and do something similar to
Spanish knife but on a larger scale (using a larger blade and a little
less texture) My question is what product would be the best to use.
What products should we avoid. Should we seal the concrete first. We
have done plenty of DIY projects just never dealt with concrete ceilings
before. Any advice or pointing me in the right direction would be
highly appreciated.
Thanks so much in advance...
(for what it's worth the ceilings are rather low so any drop ceiling
application is out of the question!)
Heidi
--
InsaneDIY
hr(bob) hofmann@att.net
Jul 12, 2012, 4:20:52 PM7/12/12
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On Jul 12, 10:57 am, InsaneDIY <InsaneDIY.a44e...@diybanter.com>
wrote:
First, do you mean (I think) that your unit is the penthouse? If so,
can you get onto the roof and get an idea of how thick the ceiling
structure is? You at least don't have to worry about noisy upstairs
neighbors, except when it rains really hard.
If the current ceiling isn't peeling or scaling, take a sample and
have it tested for lead and asbestos before you do anything. If it is
peeling or scaling, taake a sample and have it tested.for lead and
asbestos before you do anything. No sense shortening a life that
sounds like you are having fun. Once you (or your hired lead and
asbestos experts) start scraping, you'll have a better idea af what
you are dealing with. My guess is precasat concrete ceiling panels
with the popcorn paint applied directly over the concrete, the popcorn
hides a multitude of sins.
I'll let others here tell you which products stick well to ceilings, I
have always just used mud to get a texture when I wanted one, and
plain old off-white ceiling paint has always stuck to anything I ever
painted, which includes a condo ceiling in Colorado, but it was a
sheetrock ceiling.
,
wrote:
can you get onto the roof and get an idea of how thick the ceiling
structure is? You at least don't have to worry about noisy upstairs
neighbors, except when it rains really hard.
If the current ceiling isn't peeling or scaling, take a sample and
have it tested for lead and asbestos before you do anything. If it is
peeling or scaling, taake a sample and have it tested.for lead and
asbestos before you do anything. No sense shortening a life that
sounds like you are having fun. Once you (or your hired lead and
asbestos experts) start scraping, you'll have a better idea af what
you are dealing with. My guess is precasat concrete ceiling panels
with the popcorn paint applied directly over the concrete, the popcorn
hides a multitude of sins.
I'll let others here tell you which products stick well to ceilings, I
have always just used mud to get a texture when I wanted one, and
plain old off-white ceiling paint has always stuck to anything I ever
painted, which includes a condo ceiling in Colorado, but it was a
sheetrock ceiling.
,
tra...@optonline.net
Jul 12, 2012, 4:24:14 PM7/12/12
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On Jul 12, 11:57 am, InsaneDIY <InsaneDIY.a44e...@diybanter.com>
wrote:
to apply a decorative coating to replace the popcorn,
I don't see any reason to seal the concrete first. I'd
read the directions from the material manufacturer that
you're planning to use. But then since you're here
asking what material to use for "spanish knife", I'd recommend calling
a pro.
I'd also say that if the condo was built in 1987 you
should be OK with the popcorn not containing
asbestos, but you might want to check further into
when it was no longer used.
wrote:
> We are in the process of purchasing a 1987 condo in the panhandle of
> Florida. It is going to be a complete remodel... even the cabinets are
> original and in very sad shape.
>
> While we are looking forward to this next project (we built our home in
> 2006) we have no idea what products can be put on a concrete ceiling.
> It is currently covered in the dreaded popcorn. I understand why
> popcorn was used that doesn't make us like it any better. We have every
> intention of removing it. My question lies after removal. I have no
> idea if it is cast concrete, beams or what. It is the penthouse so the
> actual building ceiling is above us. I have no idea how that effects us.
>
> I was hoping we could remove the popcorn and do something similar to
> Spanish knife but on a larger scale (using a larger blade and a little
> less texture) My question is what product would be the best to use.
> What products should we avoid. Should we seal the concrete first.
I have no idea what "spanish knife" is. But if you're going
> Florida. It is going to be a complete remodel... even the cabinets are
> original and in very sad shape.
>
> While we are looking forward to this next project (we built our home in
> 2006) we have no idea what products can be put on a concrete ceiling.
> It is currently covered in the dreaded popcorn. I understand why
> popcorn was used that doesn't make us like it any better. We have every
> intention of removing it. My question lies after removal. I have no
> idea if it is cast concrete, beams or what. It is the penthouse so the
> actual building ceiling is above us. I have no idea how that effects us.
>
> I was hoping we could remove the popcorn and do something similar to
> Spanish knife but on a larger scale (using a larger blade and a little
> less texture) My question is what product would be the best to use.
> What products should we avoid. Should we seal the concrete first.
to apply a decorative coating to replace the popcorn,
I don't see any reason to seal the concrete first. I'd
read the directions from the material manufacturer that
you're planning to use. But then since you're here
asking what material to use for "spanish knife", I'd recommend calling
a pro.
I'd also say that if the condo was built in 1987 you
should be OK with the popcorn not containing
asbestos, but you might want to check further into
when it was no longer used.
tra...@optonline.net
Jul 12, 2012, 4:29:24 PM7/12/12
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On Jul 12, 4:20 pm, "hr(bob) hofm...@att.net" <hrhofm...@att.net>
wrote:
It's a penthouse, so what difference does the ceiling
make with regard to noisy upstairs neighbors? The only upstairs
neighbor is the occasional pigeon. And even if it does,
how by going up on the roof does one figure out what the distance
is or what's between there and the ceiling in their penthouse below?
>
> If the current ceiling isn't peeling or scaling, take a sample and
> have it tested for lead and asbestos before you do anything. If it is
> peeling or scaling, taake a sample and have it tested.for lead and
> asbestos before you do anything. No sense shortening a life that
> sounds like you are having fun. Once you (or your hired lead and
> asbestos experts) start scraping, you'll have a better idea af what
> you are dealing with. My guess is precasat concrete ceiling panels
> with the popcorn paint applied directly over the concrete, the popcorn
> hides a multitude of sins.
>
> I'll let others here tell you which products stick well to ceilings, I
> have always just used mud to get a texture when I wanted one, and
> plain old off-white ceiling paint has always stuck to anything I ever
> painted, which includes a condo ceiling in Colorado, but it was a
> sheetrock ceiling.
> ,- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
wrote:
make with regard to noisy upstairs neighbors? The only upstairs
neighbor is the occasional pigeon. And even if it does,
how by going up on the roof does one figure out what the distance
is or what's between there and the ceiling in their penthouse below?
>
> If the current ceiling isn't peeling or scaling, take a sample and
> have it tested for lead and asbestos before you do anything. If it is
> peeling or scaling, taake a sample and have it tested.for lead and
> asbestos before you do anything. No sense shortening a life that
> sounds like you are having fun. Once you (or your hired lead and
> asbestos experts) start scraping, you'll have a better idea af what
> you are dealing with. My guess is precasat concrete ceiling panels
> with the popcorn paint applied directly over the concrete, the popcorn
> hides a multitude of sins.
>
> I'll let others here tell you which products stick well to ceilings, I
> have always just used mud to get a texture when I wanted one, and
> plain old off-white ceiling paint has always stuck to anything I ever
> painted, which includes a condo ceiling in Colorado, but it was a
> sheetrock ceiling.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Evan
Jul 12, 2012, 5:50:29 PM7/12/12
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On Jul 12, 11:57 am, InsaneDIY <InsaneDIY.a44e...@diybanter.com>
wrote:
So you think you understand why the popcorn texture
was applied to the ceiling surface of the concrete plank
flooring structure system ?
I think you have not the first clue as to why that particular
treatment is applied to the exposed underside of the
concrete plank flooring structure... The planks do not
mate up perfectly flat and squarely to each other due
to variations in the materials and they are often grouted
together which looks rather "ugly" in an exposed situation...
If the underside of the concrete was merely painted you would
be able to see all of the detail of those grouted joints wherever
they may be located.. Other ceiling treatment methods are not
as effective at concealing all of that process as the popcorn
texture is...
The popcorn texture is added to obfuscate all the imperfections
that nit-picky people would otherwise go bat shit insane
looking at and is a MUCH cheaper option compared
with furring out a wall board ceiling system of any kind
just to ensure the ceiling appears perfectly flat...
If you for whatever bat shit crazy reason need to have a
ceiling treatment other than the popcorn texture, then
leave what is there alone and fur out the ceiling with
a system like the one made by Chicago Metallic Corporation
and apply whatever treatment you like to the wallboard
you hang from that grid... You will only find yourself
nit picking the results of trying to apply a new treatment
to the existing surface of the concrete planking and the
grouting if and when you attempt to remove the popcorn
texture wasting time and money only to give up in frustration
and reapply the most hated popcorn texture because
you will never get a perfectly flat appearance with any
other method... Trust me, if there was a cheaper or better
looking method of treating such ceilings that didn't take
away from the ceiling height you would see it universally
adopted by the hotel lodging industry which often utilizes
concrete planking floor structural systems, but there isn't...
You will of course reduce your ceiling height slightly by
installing such a ceiling system, but it is a trade off between
having those few extra inches of height verses how much
you hate the popcorn..
wrote:
was applied to the ceiling surface of the concrete plank
flooring structure system ?
I think you have not the first clue as to why that particular
treatment is applied to the exposed underside of the
concrete plank flooring structure... The planks do not
mate up perfectly flat and squarely to each other due
to variations in the materials and they are often grouted
together which looks rather "ugly" in an exposed situation...
If the underside of the concrete was merely painted you would
be able to see all of the detail of those grouted joints wherever
they may be located.. Other ceiling treatment methods are not
as effective at concealing all of that process as the popcorn
texture is...
The popcorn texture is added to obfuscate all the imperfections
that nit-picky people would otherwise go bat shit insane
looking at and is a MUCH cheaper option compared
with furring out a wall board ceiling system of any kind
just to ensure the ceiling appears perfectly flat...
If you for whatever bat shit crazy reason need to have a
ceiling treatment other than the popcorn texture, then
leave what is there alone and fur out the ceiling with
a system like the one made by Chicago Metallic Corporation
and apply whatever treatment you like to the wallboard
you hang from that grid... You will only find yourself
nit picking the results of trying to apply a new treatment
to the existing surface of the concrete planking and the
grouting if and when you attempt to remove the popcorn
texture wasting time and money only to give up in frustration
and reapply the most hated popcorn texture because
you will never get a perfectly flat appearance with any
other method... Trust me, if there was a cheaper or better
looking method of treating such ceilings that didn't take
away from the ceiling height you would see it universally
adopted by the hotel lodging industry which often utilizes
concrete planking floor structural systems, but there isn't...
You will of course reduce your ceiling height slightly by
installing such a ceiling system, but it is a trade off between
having those few extra inches of height verses how much
you hate the popcorn..
DerbyDad03
Jul 12, 2012, 6:38:23 PM7/12/12
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Which one of these is correct?
A - Did you not read what the OP posted?
B - Did you not understand what the OP posted?
C - Did you simply choose to ignore what the OP posted so you could
waste bandwidth by responding?
Show us where she said she wanted a "perfectly flat appearance".
You claim that she has "no clue" as to why the popcorn texture was
applied.
I ask you this:
Do you have any clue what a "Spanish Knife" texture is?
tra...@optonline.net
Jul 12, 2012, 6:47:41 PM7/12/12
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"concrete plank", whatever that is. It sounded to me
like the ceiling was just concrete, likely poured, which
isn't unusual in some condos.
As for A, B, C, I vote all of the above. Another example of
Evan taking a simple post and running away in some
bizarre direction with it. It seems he's incapable of giving
a direct, helpful answer. I'm surprised he didn't ask if
she has the permission of the landlord or a building
permit.
>
> You claim that she has "no clue" as to why the popcorn texture was
> applied.
>
> I ask you this:
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have no clue either, which is why I limited my answer to
> - Show quoted text -
saying that whatever coating is put on there, I don't
see the need for a sealer and would just follow the
product directions. I'm assuming spanish knife is some
kind of freeform troweling done in stucco like surfaces
and probably popular in FL and rarely seen in these
parts, NJ.
recycl...@gmail.com
Jul 12, 2012, 7:09:33 PM7/12/12
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On Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:57:56 AM UTC-7, InsaneDIY wrote:
> We are in the process of purchasing a 1987 condo in the panhandle of
> Florida. It is going to be a complete remodel... even the cabinets are
> original and in very sad shape.
>
>
> While we are looking forward to this next project (we built our home in
> 2006) we have no idea what products can be put on a concrete ceiling.
> It is currently covered in the dreaded popcorn. I understand why
> popcorn was used that doesn't make us like it any better. We have every
> We are in the process of purchasing a 1987 condo in the panhandle of
> Florida. It is going to be a complete remodel... even the cabinets are
> original and in very sad shape.
>
>
> While we are looking forward to this next project (we built our home in
> 2006) we have no idea what products can be put on a concrete ceiling.
> It is currently covered in the dreaded popcorn. I understand why
> intention of removing it. My question lies after removal. I have no
> idea if it is cast concrete, beams or what. It is the penthouse so the
> actual building ceiling is above us. I have no idea how that effects us.
>
>
> I was hoping we could remove the popcorn and do something similar to
> Spanish knife but on a larger scale (using a larger blade and a little
> less texture) My question is what product would be the best to use.
> What products should we avoid. Should we seal the concrete first. We
> have done plenty of DIY projects just never dealt with concrete ceilings
> before. Any advice or pointing me in the right direction would be
> highly appreciated.
>
> Thanks so much in advance...
>
> (for what it's worth the ceilings are rather low so any drop ceiling
> idea if it is cast concrete, beams or what. It is the penthouse so the
> actual building ceiling is above us. I have no idea how that effects us.
>
>
> I was hoping we could remove the popcorn and do something similar to
> Spanish knife but on a larger scale (using a larger blade and a little
> less texture) My question is what product would be the best to use.
> What products should we avoid. Should we seal the concrete first. We
> have done plenty of DIY projects just never dealt with concrete ceilings
> before. Any advice or pointing me in the right direction would be
> highly appreciated.
>
> Thanks so much in advance...
>
> application is out of the question!)
>
> Heidi
>
>
>
>
> --
> InsaneDIY
One of the reasons you have a popcorn ceiling is to prevent sounds from reverberating or echoing. I myself find it very annoying when the slightest sounds reflect back and you feel like you’re living in a cave. I would advise that if you remove the popcorn you replace it with something very soft and thick or start hanging tapestries or rugs on your walls like they do in other countries.
>
> Heidi
>
>
>
>
> --
> InsaneDIY
Oren
Jul 12, 2012, 7:31:57 PM7/12/12
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:57:56 +0000, InsaneDIY
<InsaneDI...@diybanter.com> wrote:
>We are in the process of purchasing a 1987 condo in the panhandle of
>Florida. It is going to be a complete remodel... even the cabinets are
>original and in very sad shape.
Spray mist the popcorn and scrape it off after a few minutes.
<InsaneDI...@diybanter.com> wrote:
>We are in the process of purchasing a 1987 condo in the panhandle of
>Florida. It is going to be a complete remodel... even the cabinets are
>original and in very sad shape.
Later, use a heavy nap roller and paint, color of choice, and roll
paint onto the ceiling.
Done. Then go fishing for speckled trout. Take an adult beverage.
Where are you in North Florida (Redneck Riviera), Ft. Walton,
Niceville, Destin? Panama City?
After all that get on Usenet.
Oren
Jul 12, 2012, 7:33:39 PM7/12/12
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT), "hr(bob) hof...@att.net"
<hrho...@att.net> wrote:
>have it tested for lead and asbestos before you do anything.
1987? Don't think so.
<hrho...@att.net> wrote:
>have it tested for lead and asbestos before you do anything.
Oren
Jul 12, 2012, 7:43:31 PM7/12/12
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:47:41 -0700 (PDT), "tra...@optonline.net"
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Another example of
>Evan taking a simple post and running away in some
>bizarre direction with it. It seems he's incapable of giving
>a direct, helpful answer. I'm surprised he didn't ask if
>she has the permission of the landlord or a building
>permit.
... or if the condo was on close proximity to the beach front.
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Another example of
>Evan taking a simple post and running away in some
>bizarre direction with it. It seems he's incapable of giving
>a direct, helpful answer. I'm surprised he didn't ask if
>she has the permission of the landlord or a building
>permit.
The OP can do as they please.
The ceiling are a solid poor, easy to do-dad it up after the popcorn
is removed.
Evan --- Go visit, live and admire beach front condos on the Redneck
Rivera. Learn something.
DerbyDad03
Jul 12, 2012, 9:14:37 PM7/12/12
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On Jul 12, 6:47 pm, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>
wrote:
2nd column, 4th one down
http://www.drywallschool.com/textures.htm
wrote:
http://www.drywallschool.com/textures.htm
Evan
Jul 13, 2012, 1:50:48 AM7/13/12
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On Jul 12, 6:38 pm, DerbyDad03 <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote:
to show the difference between where the concrete
plank is smooth and where it is grouted, especially
where the OP wants a "really wide blade" used and a
"a little less texture" (i.e. smoother)..
Perhaps you aren't familiar with structural concrete
planking floor systems ?.
Evan
Jul 13, 2012, 1:57:37 AM7/13/12
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out of precast pre-tensioned concrete planks about 2
or 3 feet wide going across the building supported
by exterior load bearing and interior bearing/fire
compartment walls and grouted at each seam rather than
poured in place on each floor as the labor required to
set up the forms and support beneath fell out of fashion
in the mid-70's... There are only so many methods to
build high density high rise commercial construction
even if it is used by a residential occupancy...
If it was modern poured in place concrete flooring the
OP would see the steel pan and metal structure supporting
it underneath into which the floor above is poured, which she
did not describe, so again, structural concrete plank floor
system can be assumed based on the description given...
DerbyDad03
Jul 13, 2012, 9:38:40 AM7/13/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Don't back peddle too far, you might fall off the edge of your little
> - Show quoted text -
world.
RicodJour
Jul 13, 2012, 9:24:35 AM7/13/12
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> The popcorn texture is added to obfuscate all the imperfections
That word - obfuscate - I do not think it means what you think it
means.
R
hr(bob) hofmann@att.net
Jul 13, 2012, 10:48:52 AM7/13/12
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harry
Jul 13, 2012, 3:32:34 PM7/13/12
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On Jul 12, 11:47 pm, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>
wrote:
> parts, NJ.- Hide quoted text -
option is concrete beams laid parallel with or without concrete
blocks between them.
1987, it's likely the latter. So what Evan says is is likely correct.
And what he says about the cure is correct too.
Some of these concrete beams/planks can't be drilled BTW. Dunno about
what is normal in the US.
This is the sort of thing.
http://www.heidelbergcement.com/uk/en/hanson/products/flooring_and_staircases/beam_and_block/index.htm
http://www.milbank.co.uk/beam-and-block.php
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Concrete floors may be poured, but the other quicker and cheaper
> - Show quoted text -
option is concrete beams laid parallel with or without concrete
blocks between them.
1987, it's likely the latter. So what Evan says is is likely correct.
And what he says about the cure is correct too.
Some of these concrete beams/planks can't be drilled BTW. Dunno about
what is normal in the US.
This is the sort of thing.
http://www.heidelbergcement.com/uk/en/hanson/products/flooring_and_staircases/beam_and_block/index.htm
http://www.milbank.co.uk/beam-and-block.php
harry
Jul 13, 2012, 3:35:01 PM7/13/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
That sort of stuff was popular over here a few years back. In the
> - Show quoted text -
early days it contained asbestos & is best left alone
InsaneDIY
Jul 13, 2012, 11:48:58 AM7/13/12
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Hey Guys! Lets focus on the real question.... What products can/should
be used on a concrete ceiling.
Please don't assume anything about me OR my abilities. Lets stick to
the facts.
As far as the type of ceiling.... All I know is concrete (some drywall
in some areas, like soffits and hall ways ).... I have not been in the
property long enough to look for hints as to whether it's poured or
beams. Next time we are in the building I can look for clues, such as
the pan, as to what TYPE of concrete ceiling it is.
Why would I want to take it down... in short it was applied in 1987, it
looks like crap, some dumb ass (excuse my english) thought it would be
smooth to hide a defect by painting a strip of it with high gloss paint!
(about the width of a roller) And some other damage. It HAS to be
replaced!
Now it really is irrelevant WHAT I am willing to do to fix it. The work
will be mine. I know it's messy I know it's A LOT of work. I also KNOW
that SOMETHING else will go up in it's place. If it has to be the same
type product (blown, like popcorn) It WILL be a knocked down version.
I don't mind doing the work. I'm actually pretty good at it (yes, I
have patched knocked down before but it was on drywall). The last thing
I want to do is do all the work only to come back and find that work on
the floor cause it didn't stick to the ceiling due to the fact I used
the wrong product!
The condo is located in Pensacola Beach for what it's worth. With all
that said.... can we please focus on product and what would be best for
the job... What do I need to know about working with concrete
ceilings...
Thanks so much...
--
InsaneDIY
RicodJour
Jul 13, 2012, 4:31:03 PM7/13/12
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On Jul 13, 10:48 am, "hr(bob) hofm...@att.net" <hrhofm...@att.net>
wrote:
R
wrote:
> On Jul 13, 8:24 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 5:50 pm, Evan <evan.news.re...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > The popcorn texture is added to obfuscate all the imperfections
>
> > That word - obfuscate - I do not think it means what you think it
> > means.
>
> > On Jul 12, 5:50 pm, Evan <evan.news.re...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > The popcorn texture is added to obfuscate all the imperfections
>
> > That word - obfuscate - I do not think it means what you think it
> > means.
>
> Well, we understood what he intended.
Yes, to obfuscate! ;)
R
Oren
Jul 13, 2012, 4:43:44 PM7/13/12
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:48:58 +0000, InsaneDIY
<InsaneDI...@diybanter.com> wrote:
>With all
>that said.... can we please focus on product and what would be best for
>the job... What do I need to know about working with concrete
>ceilings...
>
The simple answer is to contact a local concrete finisher (stucco) /
<InsaneDI...@diybanter.com> wrote:
>With all
>that said.... can we please focus on product and what would be best for
>the job... What do I need to know about working with concrete
>ceilings...
>
plaster (think swimming pool finish) that can see what you have or at
least give advice for a specific product.
I would lean towards plaster, like a pool finish over concrete. Nice
and smooth. YMMV.
Welcome to the rowdy bunch in AHR!
RicodJour
Jul 13, 2012, 4:44:33 PM7/13/12
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On Jul 13, 11:48 am, InsaneDIY <InsaneDIY.a463...@diybanter.com>
wrote:
For instance, I question why you are asking a group of random people
on the internet what to do about a specific question in a localized
place. In the amount of time it took you to write your question you
could have called the condo and spoken with the building manager and
gotten, ahem, concrete information about the building construction and
typical ceiling treatments on the top floor.
The fact that you haven't done that means you are not serious, don't
want to get your hand dirty by speaking to a live person that would in
fact have a relatively major part to play in your life if you do in
fact buy the condo.
Those are my 'real' questions.
> Please don't assume anything about me OR my abilities. Lets stick to
> the facts.
If you don't provide info we'll fill in the gaps. That's how it
works.
> As far as the type of ceiling.... All I know is concrete (some drywall
> in some areas, like soffits and hall ways ).... I have not been in the
> property long enough to look for hints as to whether it's poured or
> beams. Next time we are in the building I can look for clues, such as
> the pan, as to what TYPE of concrete ceiling it is.
It's not beams, it's most likely precast plank as Evan said. If
concrete was poured on a metal deck, you wouldn't see the concrete,
all you'd see was the bottom of the corrugated metal deck. And they
wouldn't pour concrete on a roof deck unless they were landing
helicopters up there.
> Why would I want to take it down... in short it was applied in 1987, it
> looks like crap, some dumb ass (excuse my english) thought it would be
> smooth to hide a defect by painting a strip of it with high gloss paint!
> (about the width of a roller) And some other damage. It HAS to be
> replaced!
>
> Now it really is irrelevant WHAT I am willing to do to fix it. The work
> will be mine. I know it's messy I know it's A LOT of work. I also KNOW
> that SOMETHING else will go up in it's place. If it has to be the same
> type product (blown, like popcorn) It WILL be a knocked down version.
> I don't mind doing the work. I'm actually pretty good at it (yes, I
> have patched knocked down before but it was on drywall). The last thing
> I want to do is do all the work only to come back and find that work on
> the floor cause it didn't stick to the ceiling due to the fact I used
> the wrong product!
>
> The condo is located in Pensacola Beach for what it's worth. With all
> that said.... can we please focus on product and what would be best for
> the job... What do I need to know about working with concrete
> ceilings...
There is essentially no difference between putting a texture on
drywall or on concrete, and you said you've done that before. If
there are potential adhesion questions a binder (essentially thinned
glue, commonly referred to as milk) is painted onto the surface before
the stucco/plaster/popcorn is applied.
Pick up the phone and introduce yourself to the building manager and
ask them some questions. Better yet, visit them if at all possible
and put your best foot forward. It's a condo and you'd be stoopid to
not find out how the building management treats the tenants.
R
wrote:
> Hey Guys! Lets focus on the real question.... What products can/should
> be used on a concrete ceiling.
It would behoove you to not tell people what the 'real' question is.
> be used on a concrete ceiling.
For instance, I question why you are asking a group of random people
on the internet what to do about a specific question in a localized
place. In the amount of time it took you to write your question you
could have called the condo and spoken with the building manager and
gotten, ahem, concrete information about the building construction and
typical ceiling treatments on the top floor.
The fact that you haven't done that means you are not serious, don't
want to get your hand dirty by speaking to a live person that would in
fact have a relatively major part to play in your life if you do in
fact buy the condo.
Those are my 'real' questions.
> Please don't assume anything about me OR my abilities. Lets stick to
> the facts.
works.
> As far as the type of ceiling.... All I know is concrete (some drywall
> in some areas, like soffits and hall ways ).... I have not been in the
> property long enough to look for hints as to whether it's poured or
> beams. Next time we are in the building I can look for clues, such as
> the pan, as to what TYPE of concrete ceiling it is.
concrete was poured on a metal deck, you wouldn't see the concrete,
all you'd see was the bottom of the corrugated metal deck. And they
wouldn't pour concrete on a roof deck unless they were landing
helicopters up there.
> Why would I want to take it down... in short it was applied in 1987, it
> looks like crap, some dumb ass (excuse my english) thought it would be
> smooth to hide a defect by painting a strip of it with high gloss paint!
> (about the width of a roller) And some other damage. It HAS to be
> replaced!
>
> Now it really is irrelevant WHAT I am willing to do to fix it. The work
> will be mine. I know it's messy I know it's A LOT of work. I also KNOW
> that SOMETHING else will go up in it's place. If it has to be the same
> type product (blown, like popcorn) It WILL be a knocked down version.
> I don't mind doing the work. I'm actually pretty good at it (yes, I
> have patched knocked down before but it was on drywall). The last thing
> I want to do is do all the work only to come back and find that work on
> the floor cause it didn't stick to the ceiling due to the fact I used
> the wrong product!
>
> The condo is located in Pensacola Beach for what it's worth. With all
> that said.... can we please focus on product and what would be best for
> the job... What do I need to know about working with concrete
> ceilings...
drywall or on concrete, and you said you've done that before. If
there are potential adhesion questions a binder (essentially thinned
glue, commonly referred to as milk) is painted onto the surface before
the stucco/plaster/popcorn is applied.
Pick up the phone and introduce yourself to the building manager and
ask them some questions. Better yet, visit them if at all possible
and put your best foot forward. It's a condo and you'd be stoopid to
not find out how the building management treats the tenants.
R
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 13, 2012, 5:58:33 PM7/13/12
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contain asbestos. It's probably (marginally) safer to take it down, anyway.
RicodJour
Jul 13, 2012, 6:25:18 PM7/13/12
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On Jul 13, 5:58 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
presents no danger unless it's airborne, so that last sentence of
yours shouldn't have probably, marginally or safer, since the stuff
will become airborne and particularly since the OP is talking doing
the work themselves. And there are other risks besides health.
You're suggesting that a condo owner act as if the condo is a single
family home that he owns, and it isn't. If another condo owner
reports him for removing the stuff, the FL DEP and the condo
association won't really care if he claims, "But I didn't know it
contained asbestos!"
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/air/emission/asbestos/faq_asb_regulation.pdf
The single worst thing the OP could do is to start the removal and
find out, oops!, I'm busted. That was one of the reasons I suggested
he talk to the building manager.
Trimming the first hundred irrelevant lines of a quoted post to add
only two is considered by many to be a sign of good breeding. Giving
good advice is considered a sign of knowing what you're talking about.
R
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:35:01 -0700 (PDT), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >That sort of stuff was popular over here a few years back. In the
> >early days it contained asbestos & is best left alone
>
> Nonsense. There is no danger at all taking this stuff down, even if it does
> contain asbestos. It's probably (marginally) safer to take it down, anyway.
Yeah, no danger or risk to you sitting behind your keyboard. Asbestos
>
> >That sort of stuff was popular over here a few years back. In the
> >early days it contained asbestos & is best left alone
>
> Nonsense. There is no danger at all taking this stuff down, even if it does
> contain asbestos. It's probably (marginally) safer to take it down, anyway.
presents no danger unless it's airborne, so that last sentence of
yours shouldn't have probably, marginally or safer, since the stuff
will become airborne and particularly since the OP is talking doing
the work themselves. And there are other risks besides health.
You're suggesting that a condo owner act as if the condo is a single
family home that he owns, and it isn't. If another condo owner
reports him for removing the stuff, the FL DEP and the condo
association won't really care if he claims, "But I didn't know it
contained asbestos!"
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/air/emission/asbestos/faq_asb_regulation.pdf
The single worst thing the OP could do is to start the removal and
find out, oops!, I'm busted. That was one of the reasons I suggested
he talk to the building manager.
Trimming the first hundred irrelevant lines of a quoted post to add
only two is considered by many to be a sign of good breeding. Giving
good advice is considered a sign of knowing what you're talking about.
R
Oren
Jul 13, 2012, 7:01:15 PM7/13/12
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
<rico...@aol.com> wrote:
>Giving
>good advice is considered a sign of knowing what you're talking about.
Isn't popcorn texture, since 1977, made from Styrofoam mixed with
<rico...@aol.com> wrote:
>Giving
>good advice is considered a sign of knowing what you're talking about.
joint compound and sprayed on?
The OP suggested 1987, so I think he is safe to remove it without
government intervention.
Am I wrong?
hr(bob) hofmann@att.net
Jul 13, 2012, 8:32:59 PM7/13/12
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On Jul 13, 6:01 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
>
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
>
> <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Giving
> >good advice is considered a sign of knowing what you're talking about.
>
> Isn't popcorn texture, since 1977, made from Styrofoam mixed with
> joint compound and sprayed on?
>
> The OP suggested 1987, so I think he is safe to remove it without
> government intervention.
>
> Am I wrong?
I would like to have some definitive info on when the change was made,
> >Giving
> >good advice is considered a sign of knowing what you're talking about.
>
> Isn't popcorn texture, since 1977, made from Styrofoam mixed with
> joint compound and sprayed on?
>
> The OP suggested 1987, so I think he is safe to remove it without
> government intervention.
>
> Am I wrong?
either a law or a trade association bulletin or something definite.
That is why I cautioned the OP in the first response to his posting.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 13, 2012, 8:41:37 PM7/13/12
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour <rico...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jul 13, 5:58 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:35:01 -0700 (PDT), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That sort of stuff was popular over here a few years back. In the
>> >early days it contained asbestos & is best left alone
>>
>> Nonsense. There is no danger at all taking this stuff down, even if it does
>> contain asbestos. It's probably (marginally) safer to take it down, anyway.
>
>Yeah, no danger or risk to you sitting behind your keyboard. Asbestos
>presents no danger unless it's airborne, so that last sentence of
>yours shouldn't have probably, marginally or safer, since the stuff
>will become airborne and particularly since the OP is talking doing
>the work themselves. And there are other risks besides health.
If it's got paint on it, it's very unlikely to be come airborne. To take it
>On Jul 13, 5:58 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:35:01 -0700 (PDT), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That sort of stuff was popular over here a few years back. In the
>> >early days it contained asbestos & is best left alone
>>
>> Nonsense. There is no danger at all taking this stuff down, even if it does
>> contain asbestos. It's probably (marginally) safer to take it down, anyway.
>
>Yeah, no danger or risk to you sitting behind your keyboard. Asbestos
>presents no danger unless it's airborne, so that last sentence of
>yours shouldn't have probably, marginally or safer, since the stuff
>will become airborne and particularly since the OP is talking doing
>the work themselves. And there are other risks besides health.
down, you saturate it with water. It's not going to magically go airborne
when it's sopping wet.
>You're suggesting that a condo owner act as if the condo is a single
>family home that he owns, and it isn't. If another condo owner
>reports him for removing the stuff, the FL DEP and the condo
>association won't really care if he claims, "But I didn't know it
>contained asbestos!"
>http://www.dep.state.fl.us/air/emission/asbestos/faq_asb_regulation.pdf
>The single worst thing the OP could do is to start the removal and
>find out, oops!, I'm busted. That was one of the reasons I suggested
>he talk to the building manager.
>Trimming the first hundred irrelevant lines of a quoted post to add
>only two is considered by many to be a sign of good breeding. Giving
>good advice is considered a sign of knowing what you're talking about.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 13, 2012, 8:42:41 PM7/13/12
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it poses no danger at all, either up or taking it down.
Oren
Jul 13, 2012, 9:06:21 PM7/13/12
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Naval Air Station (PIO for giggles).... somebody can get "definitive"
with him.
Once I went to a proposed location on the base for a new prison camp
on the base.. (to formally access it). Actually removed a solid door
from a building, took it back to Eglin AFB in Ft. Walton (due east)..
had some crooks replace the older one at Eglin.
When ain't inventing fire, here. OP needs the local agents to advise
him.
Panama City was another story, but each prison camp was used for
awhile.
RicodJour
Jul 13, 2012, 10:12:49 PM7/13/12
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On Jul 13, 7:01 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
>
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
>
> <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Giving
> >good advice is considered a sign of knowing what you're talking about.
>
> Isn't popcorn texture, since 1977, made from Styrofoam mixed with
> joint compound and sprayed on?
>
> The OP suggested 1987, so I think he is safe to remove it without
> government intervention.
>
> Am I wrong?
I know there was some back and forth on banning asbestos in the late
> >Giving
> >good advice is considered a sign of knowing what you're talking about.
>
> Isn't popcorn texture, since 1977, made from Styrofoam mixed with
> joint compound and sprayed on?
>
> The OP suggested 1987, so I think he is safe to remove it without
> government intervention.
>
> Am I wrong?
80's when I was starting out, and I remember it was in the early 90's
when they wrote the law. I don't know anything about the OP's
building, it's history, what the contractor or supply yard had in
stock and was still selling at the time. It's the OP's ass, and the
OP's responsibility to cover it. I'm simply saying some guy behind a
keyboard telling you, "Yeah, just rip the crap down and don't worry
about it" is something to worry about.
R
harry
Jul 14, 2012, 3:24:42 AM7/14/12
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On Jul 14, 1:41 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> What a moron.- Hide quoted text -
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
If its painted, you can't wet it down. Moron.
> - Show quoted text -
harry
Jul 14, 2012, 3:38:53 AM7/14/12
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is no way he will avoid contaminating the whole building. It takes
specialised knowledge & equipment to remove it without it getting
everywhere and people will be inhaling it forever more.
If someone discovers this I expect they will take legal action against
the OP.
After all, it's "I'll sue you " America"
In fact, thinking, the whole building may already be contaminated by
some other person's activities.
He might start by asking other owners in the building or similar
buildings nearby if the issue has cropped up in the past.
If it is a beamed floor, the finish will certainly have some sort of
fibres in it to prevent cracking on the joints. Pretty poor practice
applying it direct though.
In later yars, this stuff had mineral wool fibre instead of the
asbestos.
But it can only be determined by testing.
InsaneDIY
Jul 13, 2012, 10:39:13 PM7/13/12
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'RicodJour[_2_ Wrote:
>
> In the amount of time it took you to write your question you
> could have called the condo and spoken with the building manager and
> gotten, ahem, concrete information about the building construction and
> typical ceiling treatments on the top floor.
>
> The fact that you haven't done that means you are not serious, don't
> want to get your hand dirty by speaking to a live person that would in
> fact have a relatively major part to play in your life if you do in
> fact buy the condo.
>
from the condo manager. They haven't called back yet. Just thought I'd
get some preliminary research done first. This is not the only source I
have used. We have every intention of doing all of the proper homework.
Not a fool and very serious thank you!
--
InsaneDIY
RicodJour
Jul 14, 2012, 7:50:26 AM7/14/12
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On Jul 13, 10:39 pm, InsaneDIY <InsaneDIY.a46d...@diybanter.com>
wrote:
Good. I'm glad to hear it.
Condo managment varies greatly. Some are on premises, some are off
premises realtors or some such. Some are truly horrendous. If you've
waited this long for a phone call, imagine what it would be like to
get something done.
Call the building super. He's the guy you'll be dealing with on a
more or less daily basis. You might have located a perfect property,
but there might be nightmare management. Any part of a nightmare is
still a nightmare.
You are not in Pensacola, are you? How far away do you live, and is
this going to be the 'vacation' condo?
R
wrote:
Condo managment varies greatly. Some are on premises, some are off
premises realtors or some such. Some are truly horrendous. If you've
waited this long for a phone call, imagine what it would be like to
get something done.
Call the building super. He's the guy you'll be dealing with on a
more or less daily basis. You might have located a perfect property,
but there might be nightmare management. Any part of a nightmare is
still a nightmare.
You are not in Pensacola, are you? How far away do you live, and is
this going to be the 'vacation' condo?
R
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 14, 2012, 8:59:04 AM7/14/12
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>If someone discovers this I expect they will take legal action against
>the OP.
>After all, it's "I'll sue you " America"
>In fact, thinking, the whole building may already be contaminated by
>some other person's activities.
>He might start by asking other owners in the building or similar
>buildings nearby if the issue has cropped up in the past.
>
>If it is a beamed floor, the finish will certainly have some sort of
>fibres in it to prevent cracking on the joints. Pretty poor practice
>applying it direct though.
>In later yars, this stuff had mineral wool fibre instead of the
>asbestos.
>But it can only be determined by testing.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 14, 2012, 8:59:39 AM7/14/12
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RicodJour
Jul 14, 2012, 9:13:40 AM7/14/12
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On Jul 14, 8:59 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
ignore it if someone files a suit against them. If you get sued you
have to defend it. How is the OP supposed to do that for free? If
nothing else it would take up their time, and that's still money
anyway you look at it.
It would be best if you just provided bad home repair advice instead
of dabbling in bad legal advice.
R
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:38:53 -0700 (PDT), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >If someone discovers this I expect they will take legal action against
> >the OP.
> >After all, it's "I'll sue you " America"
>
> You can be sued for anything but it's going nowhere.
More stellar advice. Now you're suggesting that someone can just
>
> >If someone discovers this I expect they will take legal action against
> >the OP.
> >After all, it's "I'll sue you " America"
>
> You can be sued for anything but it's going nowhere.
ignore it if someone files a suit against them. If you get sued you
have to defend it. How is the OP supposed to do that for free? If
nothing else it would take up their time, and that's still money
anyway you look at it.
It would be best if you just provided bad home repair advice instead
of dabbling in bad legal advice.
R
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 14, 2012, 9:24:16 AM7/14/12
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:13:40 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour <rico...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jul 14, 8:59 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:38:53 -0700 (PDT), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >If someone discovers this I expect they will take legal action against
>> >the OP.
>> >After all, it's "I'll sue you " America"
>>
>> You can be sued for anything but it's going nowhere.
>
>More stellar advice. Now you're suggesting that someone can just
>ignore it if someone files a suit against them. If you get sued you
>have to defend it. How is the OP supposed to do that for free? If
>nothing else it would take up their time, and that's still money
>anyway you look at it.
I said nothing wrong. You can be sued for breathing, so you'd better stop.
>On Jul 14, 8:59 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:38:53 -0700 (PDT), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >If someone discovers this I expect they will take legal action against
>> >the OP.
>> >After all, it's "I'll sue you " America"
>>
>> You can be sued for anything but it's going nowhere.
>
>More stellar advice. Now you're suggesting that someone can just
>ignore it if someone files a suit against them. If you get sued you
>have to defend it. How is the OP supposed to do that for free? If
>nothing else it would take up their time, and that's still money
>anyway you look at it.
>It would be best if you just provided bad home repair advice instead
>of dabbling in bad legal advice.
RicodJour
Jul 14, 2012, 9:34:51 AM7/14/12
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On Jul 14, 9:24 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
they violate pertinent laws or regulations - or do something stupid
and annoying. It's amazing there's not a AHR class action lawsuit
against you. :)~
R
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:13:40 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 14, 8:59 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
> ><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:38:53 -0700 (PDT), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> >If someone discovers this I expect they will take legal action against
> >> >the OP.
> >> >After all, it's "I'll sue you " America"
>
> >> You can be sued for anything but it's going nowhere.
>
> >More stellar advice. Now you're suggesting that someone can just
> >ignore it if someone files a suit against them. If you get sued you
> >have to defend it. How is the OP supposed to do that for free? If
> >nothing else it would take up their time, and that's still money
> >anyway you look at it.
>
> I said nothing wrong. You can be sued for breathing, so you'd better stop.
Yes, someone can be sued for anything, but it's way more likely if
> >On Jul 14, 8:59 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
> ><k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:38:53 -0700 (PDT), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> >If someone discovers this I expect they will take legal action against
> >> >the OP.
> >> >After all, it's "I'll sue you " America"
>
> >> You can be sued for anything but it's going nowhere.
>
> >More stellar advice. Now you're suggesting that someone can just
> >ignore it if someone files a suit against them. If you get sued you
> >have to defend it. How is the OP supposed to do that for free? If
> >nothing else it would take up their time, and that's still money
> >anyway you look at it.
>
> I said nothing wrong. You can be sued for breathing, so you'd better stop.
they violate pertinent laws or regulations - or do something stupid
and annoying. It's amazing there's not a AHR class action lawsuit
against you. :)~
R
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 14, 2012, 9:43:26 AM7/14/12
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tra...@optonline.net
Jul 14, 2012, 11:10:38 AM7/14/12
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On Jul 13, 8:42 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
And your reference to support that would be? My
understanding is that if it contains asbestos and you
want to remove it, there are very specific procedures
that need to be followed. Just sitting there, undisturbed,
it's fine. But when you start scraping it off, that is
a whole different story, because now the asbestos
will become airborne. Also, I would find out the
regulations specific to the state where the work is
going to be done.
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
understanding is that if it contains asbestos and you
want to remove it, there are very specific procedures
that need to be followed. Just sitting there, undisturbed,
it's fine. But when you start scraping it off, that is
a whole different story, because now the asbestos
will become airborne. Also, I would find out the
regulations specific to the state where the work is
going to be done.
tra...@optonline.net
Jul 14, 2012, 11:25:30 AM7/14/12
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On Jul 13, 8:41 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
Where in that FL state citation above does it say what
you posted:
"> Nonsense. There is no danger at all taking this stuff down, even
if it does
> contain asbestos. It's probably (marginally) safer to take it down, anyway. "
There is no danger only if it's taken down correctly
and the appopriate regulations are followed. With that
not stated, it sure sounds like you're green lighting just
doing whatever with it. It's kind
of like someone asking about taking out a structural
support and someone telling them "There is no danger
in taking that down...." And not including "As long as
it's done properly, all regulations are followed
and some alternate means of carrying the load
replaces it....."
And they damn well could wind up sued, with a valid
case, by other homeowners and/or the condo
association. It's a penthouse. Suppose they
listen to your advice,
just go ahead and do it, and track the crap through
the hall and elevator? Some of it gets into a
common HVAC system? The condo association
could clean up the mess and present them with
a bill for tens of thousands of dollars.
> What a moron.- Hide quoted text -
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
you posted:
"> Nonsense. There is no danger at all taking this stuff down, even
if it does
> contain asbestos. It's probably (marginally) safer to take it down, anyway. "
and the appopriate regulations are followed. With that
not stated, it sure sounds like you're green lighting just
doing whatever with it. It's kind
of like someone asking about taking out a structural
support and someone telling them "There is no danger
in taking that down...." And not including "As long as
it's done properly, all regulations are followed
and some alternate means of carrying the load
replaces it....."
And they damn well could wind up sued, with a valid
case, by other homeowners and/or the condo
association. It's a penthouse. Suppose they
listen to your advice,
just go ahead and do it, and track the crap through
the hall and elevator? Some of it gets into a
common HVAC system? The condo association
could clean up the mess and present them with
a bill for tens of thousands of dollars.
> What a moron.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As usual, quick with the name calling.
> - Show quoted text -
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 14, 2012, 12:44:01 PM7/14/12
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it's gone, it won't. It really is that simple.
RicodJour
Jul 14, 2012, 12:48:18 PM7/14/12
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On Jul 14, 12:44 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> it's gone, it won't. It really is that simple...when your thinking is as simple as mine.
I corrected your post. No thanks necessary.
R
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
I corrected your post. No thanks necessary.
R
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 14, 2012, 1:15:34 PM7/14/12
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>I corrected your post. No thanks necessary.
Oren
Jul 15, 2012, 12:54:28 PM7/15/12
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:30:34 +0000, InsaneDIY
<InsaneDI...@diybanter.com> wrote:
>
>Dumb Retards Askin' fer More Attention.... DRAMA!
>
>Good Lord. Ask a simple question about concrete ceilings get nothing
>but infighting and everyone focused on the dang popcorn! You guys are
>not very helpful.
>
>Oren... I will take your advice and ask the local stucco guy.
>
I'm sure he will get you where you need to be for a final finish on
the concrete.
>As for the rest of you... let the DRAMA continue.
>I am walking away shaking my head.....
Take a deep, deep breath - this is the rowdy bunch. :-\
<InsaneDI...@diybanter.com> wrote:
>
>Dumb Retards Askin' fer More Attention.... DRAMA!
>
>Good Lord. Ask a simple question about concrete ceilings get nothing
>but infighting and everyone focused on the dang popcorn! You guys are
>not very helpful.
>
>Oren... I will take your advice and ask the local stucco guy.
>
I'm sure he will get you where you need to be for a final finish on
the concrete.
>As for the rest of you... let the DRAMA continue.
>I am walking away shaking my head.....
Take a deep, deep breath - this is the rowdy bunch. :-\
RicodJour
Jul 15, 2012, 1:58:32 PM7/15/12
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Oren wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:30:34 +0000, InsaneDIY
> <InsaneDI...@diybanter.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Dumb Retards Askin' fer More Attention.... DRAMA!
> >
> >Good Lord. Ask a simple question about concrete ceilings get nothing
> >but infighting and everyone focused on the dang popcorn! You guys are
> >not very helpful.
> >
> >Oren... I will take your advice and ask the local stucco guy.
> >
>
> I'm sure he will get you where you need to be for a final finish on
> the concrete.
The REAL question is why the OP couldn't figure out how to pick up the
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:30:34 +0000, InsaneDIY
> <InsaneDI...@diybanter.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Dumb Retards Askin' fer More Attention.... DRAMA!
> >
> >Good Lord. Ask a simple question about concrete ceilings get nothing
> >but infighting and everyone focused on the dang popcorn! You guys are
> >not very helpful.
> >
> >Oren... I will take your advice and ask the local stucco guy.
> >
>
> I'm sure he will get you where you need to be for a final finish on
> the concrete.
damn phone in the first place. Ignorance is one thing, but stoopid is
another kettle of fish.
> >As for the rest of you... let the DRAMA continue.
> >I am walking away shaking my head.....
>
> Take a deep, deep breath - this is the rowdy bunch. :-\
dust. That DIYbanter site is for noobs, gets paid for the work that
we do here for free (entertainment included!) and they don't seem to
understand BANTER when they see it! Sheesh.
R
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