Why do they skip sizes of metric combo wrenches?
Red Green
They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12...
Not always in larger sets. But like who would buy an SAE set of any size if
it ran from say 3/8 to 3/4 without a 9/16?
Jules Richardson
Depends what's missing, I suppose. I used to rarely find things that were
11mm. 8, 10 and 13mm were very common, and everything else somewhere
inbetween.
Personally I like having at least a couple of everything in a variety of
socket depths and drive sizes.
cheers
Jules
RicodJour
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Don Phillipson
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Does it not depend on market demand? If size 9 mm. nuts were
common we should expect 9 mm. wrenches to be proportionately common.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
notbob
> Be it Sears, HF, HD, etc.
>
> They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12...
I know not what HD is, but Sears? I guess it's like food. Keep the
price the same and decrease the amount. OTOH, you get what you pay
for. Try a better brand, like K-D. I've yet to see any skipped sizes
in their line-up. I haven't needed to buy any new tools in a awhile,
so don't know who is currently screwing the customer.
I do know one thing. Almost all metric sizes will fit any SAE size
fastener, although perhaps a bit loose or tight. I doesn't work the
other way around. If you can only afford one std, get metric.
nb
spud42
I've only seen this in combo MM, SAE sets
With the missing MM having the same size in SAE
5/32 is 0.156 inches; 4mm is 0.157 inches
5/16 is 0.313 inches. 8 mm, is 0.315
and The 3/8 wrench is the same as 10 mm.
but 10 mm is very common and is normally included
Spud
cl...@snyder.on.ca
wrote:
When's the last time you really needed a 9mm wrench? In the Ansi/ISO
standard there is only 7,8,10,13,16,18,21,24,and 30
The German (Predominantly) DIN standard has only
7,8,10,11,13,17,19,22,24,27, and 30mm
The Japanese (JIS) standard uses only 7,8,10,11,12,14,17,19,and 22.
Someplace someone has slipped in a 15mm, as it is included in some
metric tool sets - so why would you want a 9 mm wrench. It doesn't
even match up to a fractional size, falling between 3/32" and 23/64"
RicodJour
> "Red Green" <postmas...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>
> > Be it Sears, HF, HD, etc.
> > They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12...
>
> > Not always in larger sets. But like who would buy an SAE set of any size
> > if it ran from say 3/8 to 3/4 without a 9/16?
>
> Does it not depend on market demand? If size 9 mm. nuts were
> common we should expect 9 mm. wrenches to be proportionately common.
Maybe he got it on sale. They bumped up the 9mm to 10mm at no extra
charge!
R
RicodJour
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:32:22 GMT, Red Green <postmas...@127.0.0.1>
Ummm, wouldn't that be the exact reason that you'd want a particular
size wrench? Nothing else fits!
R
LSMFT
it separately like many others.
Did you ever find a nut that was neither metric nor SAE? I have.
--
LSMFT
Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
The only ones screwing the customer would be those supplying a 9mm
wrench in a kit, as NO 9mm nuts or bolt heads exist in any of the 3
(or 4 - 2 are the same ) metric standards.
In a european or american (ISO/ANSI) set, a 12mm might also be
missing, as it is only used in JIS standard. American (ANSI/ISO) sets
don't need a 17mm or a 19mm either., while JIS and DIN use both.
ISO/ANSI do not use 11MM either, while JIS does not use 11 or 18 0r
21.DIN doesn't use 21 either - and NOBODY uses 20 or 23, or 25.
As for standard vs metric, 8mm fits 5/16 reasonably close, 11mm fits
7/16", 13mm fits 1/2" 14mm fits 9/16, and 17mm fits 11/16
Not perfectly, but close enough if the fastener is not too tight and
you are in a pinch.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
3/8" and 10mm are not close enough to be useable. 11mm and 716" are.
Stormin Mormon
than 7/16. Generally, I have not found an English wrench that will
work a 10 MM nut or bolt.
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Stormin Mormon
(rather close to 11/16) for removing front wheel hubs on GM products.
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"LSMFT" <bol...@aol.com>
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Red Green
Red Green
4ax.com:
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 21:22:33 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-11-05, Red Green <postm...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> Be it Sears, HF, HD, etc.
>>>
>>> They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12...
>>
>>I know not what HD is, but Sears? I guess it's like food. Keep the
>>price the same and decrease the amount. OTOH, you get what you pay
>>for. Try a better brand, like K-D. I've yet to see any skipped sizes
>>in their line-up. I haven't needed to buy any new tools in a awhile,
>>so don't know who is currently screwing the customer.
>>
>>I do know one thing. Almost all metric sizes will fit any SAE size
>>fastener, although perhaps a bit loose or tight. I doesn't work the
>>other way around. If you can only afford one std, get metric.
>>
>>nb
> The only ones screwing the customer would be those supplying a 9mm
> wrench in a kit, as NO 9mm nuts or bolt heads exist in any of the 3
> (or 4 - 2 are the same ) metric standards.
I've seen other sets that include the 9 and are missing another, possibly
for the same reason.
>
> In a european or american (ISO/ANSI) set, a 12mm might also be
> missing, as it is only used in JIS standard. American (ANSI/ISO) sets
> don't need a 17mm or a 19mm either., while JIS and DIN use both.
> ISO/ANSI do not use 11MM either, while JIS does not use 11 or 18 0r
> 21.DIN doesn't use 21 either - and NOBODY uses 20 or 23, or 25.
>
> As for standard vs metric, 8mm fits 5/16 reasonably close, 11mm fits
> 7/16", 13mm fits 1/2" 14mm fits 9/16, and 17mm fits 11/16
>
> Not perfectly, but close enough if the fastener is not too tight and
> you are in a pinch.
>
> Not perfectly, but close enough
Which is exactly how this fella puts it.
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/wrench-conversion.htm
Red Green
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There was a farmer who had a dog, And Bingo was his name-O. B-I-N-G-O! B-
I-N-G-O! B-I-N-G-O! ...
notbob
> In a european or american (ISO/ANSI) set, a 12mm might also be
> missing, as it is only used in JIS standard. American (ANSI/ISO) sets
> don't need a 17mm or a 19mm either.
I don't know what reference library fantasyland YOU are living in, but
having used metric sized wrench sets professionally for about 35 yrs,
I can certainly attest to the fact that 9, 12, and 17mm fasterners do
indeed exist and are found on real actual mechanical devices requiring
said wrench sizes.
nb
WW
There was an old couple we knew and had a dog named Bing. I asked how they
came up with that name. Well the real name was Bingo but when the lady
would go out at night to call the dog she was hollering Bingo Bingo Bingo.
The neighbors thought she was wacky SO that is how the name Bing arrived. WW
Smitty Two
"WW" <cc...@nospambresnan.net> wrote:
>
> There was an old couple we knew and had a dog named Bing. I asked how they
> came up with that name. Well the real name was Bingo but when the lady
> would go out at night to call the dog she was hollering Bingo Bingo Bingo.
> The neighbors thought she was wacky SO that is how the name Bing arrived. WW
Every time I name a cat, I think long and hard about how it's going to
sound to the neighbors when I go out to call him. Otherwise great names
have been rejected on that count.
Smitty Two
notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
Clare is a Canadian mechanic. The Craftsman metric socket set I bought
from Sears 37 years ago includes 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, and 19. They
all have grease in them, so I guess I've used them all.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
I have 15mm wrenches in several of my sets.
And yess, LOTS of nuts that are not SAE or Metric. Think BSF,
Whitworth, and Acme to start.
But when you are talking METRIC, they are, except for a very few
specialty apps, either ANSI/ISO, DIN, or JIS.
And the 15mm nuts on a bike - same size wrench required for the
pedals.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I've had to buy the separate 15 MM for vehicle work. Also 18 MM
>(rather close to 11/16) for removing front wheel hubs on GM products.
>
>--
>Christopher A. Young
>Learn more about Jesus
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>.
18mm is standard ANSI/ISO nut size. 15mm is not. What vehicle, and
where?
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Well, I've been working on Metric vehicles since 1969, and have never
required a 9mm wrench that I can remember. I DO have a couple totally
pristine 9mm sockets though.
There are some 9mm 12 point fasteners I believe also on VW clutches -
you use a special VW service tool to service the pressure plate.-
again, a special application where you would/should not use a
combination wrench - and the open end part would definitely not fit.
That's automotive/industrial
And I've worked on British, German, French, Italian, American,
Russian,French, Korean, Mexican, Canadian, as well as a few other,
vehicles.
I think I heard the float needle seat on some itallian motorcycles
are 9mm HEX - requiring a thinwall 9mm scoket to take them out - but a
9mm open end, box end, or combination wrench wouldn't do that job
either. Mabee brake bleeder screws - (Honda Motorcycles?) you could
use a combi wrench there
Now on BICYCLES, that's a different story.- like I said - special apps
- non standard. Wacky non-standard thread pitches, particularly on
Italian stuff.
And Chinese?????? a 9mm wrench might fit something that was SUPPOSED
to be either 8 or 10.
Ed Pawlowski
"LSMFT" <bol...@aol.com> wrote
> Did you ever find a nut that was neither metric nor SAE? I have.
Triumph motorcycle, as are many British cars. Whitworth.
Ed Pawlowski
"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote
>
> I do know one thing. Almost all metric sizes will fit any SAE size
> fastener, although perhaps a bit loose or tight. I doesn't work the
> other way around. If you can only afford one std, get metric.
>
> nb
11/16 works well on a 17mm nut. Over time though, any wrench used on the
wrong size will eventually damage the nut or bolt head. OK in an emergency,
but only a hack would do it on a regular basis.
Ed Pawlowski
<cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote
> 3/8" and 10mm are not close enough to be useable. 11mm and 716" are.
Two of my setup guys thought that too. After rounding off too many flange
nuts I found out what they were doing and a lot of aggravation was saved in
the long run. Better to buy one socket $10 than to change dozens of $4
nuts
Larry W
15mm is not a common standard nut or bolt hex size, but it will sometimes
be used for a flange nut or flanged hex head bolt. I don't recall right
now if I've seen it used for a plain hex nut or bolt, but the size
is definitely used on many vehicles.
--
When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Also used by FORD on crash-pad nuts and by VW on clutch bleader screws
- so I stand corrected - there are a few (not specifically "special
app") automotive applications - but they do NOT conform to ANSI/ISO,
which most american industries (as well as the French) use as their
spec, or DIN, which is German, or JIS which is Japanese.
Is there another Metric standard incommon use???
Larry Fishel
sizes are not uncommon either.
I don't recall EVER running across a 9mm bolt anywhere, but I could be
wrong.
On the other hand I have a cheap socket set that not only has 9mm, but
4.5, 5.5, 6.5 and I think 7.5... They're a waste of space for the most
part.
The Daring Dufas
British Standard Whitworth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth
Found on some older English motorcycles.
TDD
The Daring Dufas
I knew a couple of girls who owned a dog named Dammit. Come here Dammit!
Get down Dammit! Stop licking me Dammit! The last one was yelled at me
too. 8-)
TDD
The Daring Dufas
You might come across those odd metric sizes in imported electrical and
electronic items. I see odd sizes in tape players, VCR's and other types
of electromechanical gadgets.
TDD
spud42
<cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message news:do39d65d28tkmg8l9...@4ax.com...
I didn't get a 11mm
10mm is the one i always lose and your right 3/8 isn't close enough
Jim Elbrecht
wrote:
>
>"LSMFT" <bol...@aol.com> wrote
>>
>> Did you ever find a nut that was neither metric nor SAE? I have.
>
>
>Triumph motorcycle, as are many British cars. Whitworth.
>
>
Remember Norton motorcycles? My brother had one in the 70's. My son
and I were just talking about metric/sae & I seem to recall the Norton
was some bastard type, too-- neither set of wrenches fit them.
Jim
willshak
> "Red Green" <postm...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:Xns9E279E11D...@69.16.185.252...
>
>> Be it Sears, HF, HD, etc.
>>
>> They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12...
>>
>> Not always in larger sets. But like who would buy an SAE set of any size if
>> it ran from say 3/8 to 3/4 without a 9/16?
>>
>
> I've only seen this in combo MM, SAE sets
> With the missing MM having the same size in SAE
> 5/32 is 0.156 inches; 4mm is 0.157 inches
> 5/16 is 0.313 inches. 8 mm, is 0.315
> and The 3/8 wrench is the same as 10 mm.
> but 10 mm is very common and is normally included
>
> Spud
>
There is another consideration. Not all tool manufacturers make precise
tools unless they are a specialty tool company. That includes metric or
SAE. One of my 14mm open end wrenches from one company is 14.5mm, and
one from another company is 14.25mm. If you have a pair of inside
calipers, and more than one brand of wrenches, check it yourself.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Red Green
okU0nRnZ2dn...@giganews.com:
>
> "LSMFT" <bol...@aol.com> wrote
>>
>> Did you ever find a nut that was neither metric nor SAE? I have.
>
>
> Triumph motorcycle, as are many British cars. Whitworth.
>
>
>
I learned about Whitworth many decades ago on my Bonneville.
Red Green
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A few years abck when I lived in the land Ft Bragg in FayetteNam I got a
cat and thought it would be cool to name it Sniper. As you say, going out
calling Sniper Sniper was a bad idea.
So I figure just give her a neutral name and call her Little Girl. Being in
the over 50 age range, going outside and calling "Here Little Girl, Come
here Little Girl." also turned out to be a bad idea.
notbob
> from Sears 37 years ago includes 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, and 19. They
> all have grease in them, so I guess I've used them all.
You'll get no argument from me. ;)
nb
Jon Danniken
>
> In a european or american (ISO/ANSI) set, a 12mm might also be
> missing, as it is only used in JIS standard.
My jap bikes made proficient use of the 12mm socket. Same with 10mm and
14mm.
Can't recall the last time I've used it, though (haven't had a bike in a few
decades). A lot of the chinese stuff I have uses 13mm though.
Jon
notbob
> And I've worked on British, German, French, Italian, American,
> Russian,French, Korean, Mexican, Canadian, as well as a few other,
> vehicles.
I'm not seeing Japanese in there. I cut my teeth on Japanese
motorcycles in the early 70s and gar-own-damn-tee you 12mm is as
common a fastener size on those things as teriyaki sauce on salmon.
So much so, I wondered if it was possible to have 12 and 13mm open end
wrench heads grafted on my fingertips. ;)
> either. Mabee brake bleeder screws.....
That sounds strangely familiar
> And Chinese?????? a 9mm wrench might fit something that was SUPPOSED
> to be either 8 or 10.
Howzabout them Puchs and CZs? Weird sizes on those babies. These
later global-parts cars are also a hoot. No telling what you'll find
on them.
True Story:
I worked on Puch "twingle" (Allstate 250), with 4 square-head head
bolts. I'd borrowed a gorgeous set of Snap-On combo wrenches from a
trusting acquaintance. I discovered I could only get to the square
10mm bolt heads, buried deep between the cooling fins, by using the
open-end wrench end-wise. IOW, the open-end slipped over the sqr head
from the top, the wrench shaft sticking straight out along the same
center axis as the bolt shaft. I then used an adjustable wrench
(Crescent) to grab the 10mm wrench shaft at a 90deg angle to turn the
open-end wrench. Got the picture?
I broke 3 bolts loose no problem. The 4th was a bit more stubborn. I
kept at it, putting more and more torque on the little 10mm wrench.
When the last bolt finally broke loose, I was relieved, but then
immediately horrified to discover the Snap-On 10mm wrench shaft was
now permenently twisted 45deg from its open-end wrench head. Yikes!
This was a borrowed $300+ wrench set. How could I explain it?
I did the repair and quickly reassembled the engine. As I retorqued
the head bolts back down, I put enough pressure on each bolt to
attempt re-twisting the 10mm wrench shaft back to its original
straight form. When I finished, it appeared to have worked, as
planned. The wrench shaft appeared perfectly aligned, again, and
no worse for wear. I even told my buddy the whole bizarre story and
told him if he could identify which wrench I'd deformed and then
reformed, I would replace it. He couldn't!
Point of story? That's the difference between quality tools and
junk. Pay the $$$ for quality. You'll never regret it. ;)
nb
notbob
> 11/16 works well on a 17mm nut. Over time though, any wrench used on the
> wrong size will eventually damage the nut or bolt head. OK in an emergency,
> but only a hack would do it on a regular basis.
...or a po' boy, who can't afford the luxury of a whole roll-away w/ two
different standards of wrench sets!
When I was jes a young cuss, I used to delight on how much I
could do with how little. I swear, I could almost tear down my first
real motorcycle, a Matchless 500 thumper, with a couple crescent (adj)
wrenches, a hammer, and a pair of channel-locks. ;)
nb
notbob
> Is there another Metric standard incommon use???
Kluge?
notbob
> SAE. One of my 14mm open end wrenches from one company is 14.5mm, and
> one from another company is 14.25mm. If you have a pair of inside
> calipers, and more than one brand of wrenches, check it yourself.
Sounds like a quality issue. It's been my experience, Japan makes a
lotta great stuff. Mechanics tools are not among them. Use a
Japanese 14.25mm open-end wrench a few times and it WILL become 14.5!
nb
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Not "go down Dammit!"?
harry
> "LSMFT" <bole...@aol.com> wrote
>
>
>
> > Did you ever find a nut that was neither metric nor SAE? I have.
>
> Triumph motorcycle, as are many British cars. Whitworth.
No. Whitworth was used on buildings and heavy engineering once upon a
time.
British Standard Fine and Across Flats on cars and bikes in days of
yore. All metric now.
Whitworth made the first interchangeable and scientifically designed
nuts and bolts, also invented other engineering techniques we take for
granted today, also machinery, guns and artillery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Whitworth
The Daring Dufas
It was more like "Stop drooling on me Dammit!" 8-)
TDD
cl...@snyder.on.ca
>On 2010-11-06, cl...@snyder.on.ca <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>> And I've worked on British, German, French, Italian, American,
>> Russian,French, Korean, Mexican, Canadian, as well as a few other,
>> vehicles.
>
>I'm not seeing Japanese in there. I cut my teeth on Japanese
>motorcycles in the early 70s and gar-own-damn-tee you 12mm is as
>common a fastener size on those things as teriyaki sauce on salmon.
>So much so, I wondered if it was possible to have 12 and 13mm open end
>wrench heads grafted on my fingertips. ;)
>
Forgot the biggest one - 10 years as Toyota mservice manager, and
another several as Toyota mechanic. As service manager, I was a
WORKING service manager for most of the time - on the bench about half
time.
Ned Flanders
> Be it Sears, HF, HD, etc.
>
> They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12...
>
> Not always in larger sets. But like who would buy an SAE set of any size if
> it ran from say 3/8 to 3/4 without a 9/16?
I had to check my set from Canadian Tire (Mastercraft)
4mm - 13mm in 1/4" socket wrench
10mm, 12mm - 19mm in 1/2" socket wrench
Jeff Thies
> Be it Sears, HF, HD, etc.
>
> They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12...
>
> Not always in larger sets. But like who would buy an SAE set of any size if
> it ran from say 3/8 to 3/4 without a 9/16?
I've never used, or needed a 9. 10 and 11 is very common. 16's are
often missing also, a greater chance of needing that then a 9.
There is nothing magic in having one of every whole number. I'd
rather have an extended range than interim sizes I will never need.
Jeff
Jeff Thies
Some of the half sizes, but a 9MM?
Jeff
> TDD
Jeff Thies
> RicodJour<rico...@worldemail.com> wrote in
> news:cb72e4bd-5c52-47f3...@o11g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 5, 7:01 pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:32:22 GMT, Red Green<postmas...@127.0.0.1>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Be it Sears, HF, HD, etc.
>>>
>>>> They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12...
>>>
>>>> Not always in larger sets. But like who would buy an SAE set of any
>>>> size
>> if
>>>> it ran from say 3/8 to 3/4 without a 9/16?
>>>
>>> standard there is only 7,8,10,13,16,18,21,24,and 30
>>> The German (Predominantly) DIN standard has only
>>> 7,8,10,11,13,17,19,22,24,27, and 30mm
>>> The Japanese (JIS) standard uses only 7,8,10,11,12,14,17,19,and 22.
>>>
>>> Someplace someone has slipped in a 15mm, as it is included in some
>>> metric tool sets - so why would you want a 9 mm wrench. It doesn't
>>> even match up to a fractional size, falling between 3/32" and 23/64"
>>
>> Ummm, wouldn't that be the exact reason that you'd want a particular
>> size wrench? Nothing else fits!
>>
>> R
>>
>
>
> There was a farmer who had a dog, And Bingo was his name-O. B-I-N-G-O! B-
> I-N-G-O! B-I-N-G-O! ...
But there are no 9mm bolts or nuts. If it is "buggered", you'd
probably go after it with something else. Who would make a bolt that
there were no tools for?
Jeff
Jeff
Twayne
Jeff Thies <jeff_...@att.net> typed:
I remembered to check this out since I seemed to remember "9" as a metric
socket size. They're old, but I have a 9 and all the way through 16 in both
open-end wrench sets and both socket sets. IIRC I think I've used the 9 for
somethiing on my Trailblazer; pretty sure, not positive. My metric-sae chart
also includes 9. I suspect it depends on "how metric" the product is that
you're working on. Cars & trucks these days seem to be all metric - the days
of only 3/8" and 9/16" only are gone. They need to go back to mostly common
sizes in metric like sae used to be; then you could outfit a diy toolbox
with 4 or 5 wrence/socket sets. My sae goes from 3/16" up to 15\16" in 1/16"
steps except for a couple 1/32" in the smaller ones. Perhaps the differences
are industrial/commercal/residential grades of the tools.
HTH,
Twayne`
Jeff Thies
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:32:22 GMT, Red Green<postm...@127.0.0.1>
> wrote:
>
>> Be it Sears, HF, HD, etc.
>>
>> They often go 6,7,8,10,11,12...
>>
>> Not always in larger sets. But like who would buy an SAE set of any size if
>> it ran from say 3/8 to 3/4 without a 9/16?
> standard there is only 7,8,10,13,16,18,21,24,and 30
> The German (Predominantly) DIN standard has only
> 7,8,10,11,13,17,19,22,24,27, and 30mm
> The Japanese (JIS) standard uses only 7,8,10,11,12,14,17,19,and 22.
Thanks for the size charts.
>
> Someplace someone has slipped in a 15mm,
That 15 is curious as it is widely used in American cars. It happens to
be just the size/strength needed for a lot of tough jobs.
as it is included in some
> metric tool sets - so why would you want a 9 mm wrench. It doesn't
> even match up to a fractional size, falling between 3/32" and 23/64"
Which makes it doubly unlikely to ever be used.
Seems to me that where you see these useless sizes most often is in
almost useless socket sets, where for a very low price they entice the
customer with EVERYTHING.
Usually, just getting what you need is better than a lot of trash.
Jeff
Jeff Thies
> In article<4dWdnWZfauoTN0nR...@bresnan.com>,
> "WW"<cc...@nospambresnan.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> There was an old couple we knew and had a dog named Bing. I asked how they
>> came up with that name. Well the real name was Bingo but when the lady
>> would go out at night to call the dog she was hollering Bingo Bingo Bingo.
>> The neighbors thought she was wacky SO that is how the name Bing arrived. WW
>
> Every time I name a cat, I think long and hard about how it's going to
> sound to the neighbors when I go out to call him. Otherwise great names
> have been rejected on that count.
I've only known one cat to know her name, "Spot". After a while
though, all the cats would come running, looking for a treat.
Since Spot is now gone, I just call out "breakfast", and they all
have figured out what that means!
Jeff
chaniarts
every one of my cats knows and comes to their name, and they don't get fed
until they obey 'sit'.
Jeff Thies
getting fed part!
I'm currently amazed at what a cat will do for a "Party Mix" treat.
Have you ever seen Dominique and his trained House Cats?
Jeff
aemeijers
Words are not needed with cats. Just stick an arm out the door, holding
the box of dry kibble, and shake it real hard. They will come running
from half a block away- that sound is imprinted on them. (Assuming you
raised them eating the cheap stuff, of course.)
--
aem sends...
richard...@gmail.com
Ed Pawlowski
> A rusty 17mm nut may need the next size up wrench in order to be able to fit it, I've had this happen, its not bad idea to have those odd size wrenches
>
have not needed one yet so I see no reason to buy a tool I don't ever
need. Use an adjustable or pipe wrench once every 10 years that you
need it. Be sure to get a metric adjustable .
cl...@snyder.on.ca
sized bolts, and different head sizes You have the German DIN system,
the Japanese SI and the American ANSI/ASME
The SI is actually common pretty much world wide except America and
Germany - there are exceptions.
Depending on the market you may get 10mm and not 11, you may or may
not get either 12 or 13mm, and 17 or 18mm - and some get 15, others do
not.
I've worked on vehicles using every one of them (not all on the same
vehicle) - I'd have been totally lost without a minimum of 8, 10, 12,
13, 14, 15, 17, 18. 19, and 21 mm
On Toyotas the 11 and 13 and 18 were not required - on American iron
the 10 and 12 are pretty much redundant - along with the 17, I
believe.
HerHusband
>>> able to fit it, I've had this happen, its not bad idea to have those
>>> odd size wrenches
time to take other measures. Wire brush the rust, apply penetrating oil,
maybe apply heat, use vice grips, etc.
> I've worked on vehicles using every one of them (not all on the same
> vehicle) - I'd have been totally lost without a minimum of 8, 10, 12,
> 13, 14, 15, 17, 18. 19, and 21 mm
> On Toyotas the 11 and 13 and 18 were not required - on American iron
> the 10 and 12 are pretty much redundant - along with the 17, I
> believe.
19mm.
However, brake bleeders require a 7mm, 8mm, 9mm, or 10mm wrench, depending
on the brand and location of the bleeder.
I also need an 11mm wrench to remove my carburetor cover.
I think the front strut nuts need a 22mm wrench.
12mm, 14mm, and 18mm are probably the sizes I use the least, but
occasionally I'll run across a fastener than needs those too.
Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
Paint...@unlisted.moo
<unk...@unknown.com> wrote:
>
>On Volkswagens, the most used wrench sizes are 10mm, 13mm, 15mm, 17mm, and
>19mm.
>
>However, brake bleeders require a 7mm, 8mm, 9mm, or 10mm wrench, depending
>on the brand and location of the bleeder.
>
>I also need an 11mm wrench to remove my carburetor cover.
>
>I think the front strut nuts need a 22mm wrench.
>
>12mm, 14mm, and 18mm are probably the sizes I use the least, but
>occasionally I'll run across a fastener than needs those too.
>
>Anthony Watson
that one numerous times. I found a few others that were missing. One day
I just bought all the individual wrench sizes that my set lacked, and
made a complete set. I did that for my box wrenches, sockets and nut
drivers. I dont think I've ever found a complete metric set in the
stores.
DerbyDad03
How does "redundant" apply in that context?
rbowman
> On Toyotas the 11 and 13 and 18 were not required - on American iron
> the 10 and 12 are pretty much redundant - along with the 17, I
> believe.
a couple in to keep you guessing. I've got some of the less popular
large sizes for axle nuts on the bikes.
HerHusband
> needed that one numerous times.
apparently have never encountered a nut or bolt that needed it.
> One day I just bought all the individual wrench sizes that my
> set lacked, and made a complete set.
and 22mm. That seeems to cover everything I work on.
I also inherited a small collection of imperial wrench sizes from my step
dad (maybe 5-7 wrenches total). I don't use those much, but every now and
then they come in handy.
My 6-sided sockets are more complete, running from 4mm all the way up to
30mm for my axle nut.
I bought wrenches and sockets over time as I needed them. So the collection
I have seems to accomodate everything I'm working on, and I didn't spend
money on sizes I never use.
Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
notbob
> I dont think I've ever found a complete metric set in the
> stores.
matter:
<https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-J1200R-MASD-Metric-Combination-Wrench/dp/B001HWDX7W?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B001HWDX7W#productDetails>
****OR****
http://tinyurl.com/hoxcteb
My first metric socket set was an S-K set (45+ yrs ago). I don't
recall any missing sizes.
nb
Taxed and Spent
the night of June 17, 1965?
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
> A rusty 17mm nut may need the next size up wrench in order to be able to fit it. I've had this happen; its not bad idea to have those odd size wrenches.
>
Er, well....thanks a lot for that question(?), Dick.
I believe the answer has something to do with the Ornamentals having
smaller genitals compared to Occidentals.
Any questions?
Meanie
I've often been able to use one of the standard sizes in place of the
less common metric sizes such as 18mm. Otherwise, an adjustable wrench
has saved me, though, in some tight spots, it's not always the answer.
Overall, I nice ratchet/socket set with all sizes usually suffices.
Taxed and Spent
some guesswork. At first I thought he was saying 10 and 12 were about
the same thing and could be used interchangeably, which makes no sense.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wrenches-inches-metric-us-conversion-comparison-d_1607.html
cl...@snyder.on.ca
cl...@snyder.on.ca
wrote:
WILL have 10mm heads on 6mm bolts.
Meanie
rbowman
> WHAT? The all American made motorcycle? I'm shocked!
few other minor pieces... Most of the bling in the boutique is from China.
HerHusband
> I don't recall any missing sizes.
first tools I bought when I started driving. I think I may still have one
or two of those sockets left. They were fairly good quality compared to the
cheap bargain store sockets my step-dad always bought.
Most of my hand tools now are Craftsman's that I've had for 30 years or
more.
Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
HerHusband
> less common metric sizes such as 18mm.
steering wheel. I'm sure it must be a metric size, but I inherited the
imperial socket from my step-dad and it works fine. So I've never bothered
tracking down the metric socket.
Sometimes a nut will be deformed just slightly so that the actual metric
socket doesn't fit, but an imperial size will. Six point sockets are much
better for this sort of thing than 12 point sockets.
Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
HerHusband
>> WILL have 10mm heads on 6mm bolts.
> WHAT? The all American made motorcycle? I'm shocked!
seatbelt in my 1976 Rabbit. It's a German car, so I figured it was a metric
bolt. I tried every available metric thread pitch, but nothing fit right.
On a whim I tried a fine thread imperial bolt and it threaded in perfectly!
Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
rbowman
> It goes both ways... Several months ago I needed to replace a bolt for the
> seatbelt in my 1976 Rabbit. It's a German car, so I figured it was a metric
> bolt. I tried every available metric thread pitch, but nothing fit right.
> On a whim I tried a fine thread imperial bolt and it threaded in perfectly!
involved with British cars and remember the joys of Whitworth.
notbob
> Most of my hand tools now are Craftsman's that I've had for 30 years or
> more.
than what Sears is offering, today. Most Craftsman tools --not all--
are currently made in China. This unlike S-K Tools, which are still
made in the USA. ;)
http://www.skhandtool.com/carousel/made-in-usa.aspx
nb
HerHusband
> than what Sears is offering, today.
first started driving. I'll turn 53 in a few months. :)
> Most Craftsman tools --not all-- are currently made in China.
size or something, but that's fairly rare. I haven't noticed any major
difference in quality though, compared to my older hand tools.
> This unlike S-K Tools, which are still made in the USA.
were still being made.
Actually, I bought a few "Husky" brand hand tools at Home Depot to keep in
the car recently. I'm sure they're made in China (everything is) but they
seemed to be decent quality.
I remember the cheap sockets my step-dad used to buy. The chrome was
peeling off, and they would either strip out inside or just crack in half
when you put any pressure on them. I quickly learned to buy my own tools
and not borrow his. :)
Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
bob_villa
> Actually, I bought a few "Husky" brand hand tools at Home Depot to keep in
> the car recently. I'm sure they're made in China (everything is) but they
> seemed to be decent quality.
notbob
> were still being made.
high-end mfrg company that may still be in existence and/or can afford
to pay "tool reps". I recall my company's relation with Ideal Tools.
Hot, cute, tool reps to sell you tools at insanely high prices, less
than ethical shipping practices, after you've ordered.
> Actually, I bought a few "Husky" brand hand tools at Home Depot to keep in
> the car recently. I'm sure they're made in China (everything is) but they
> seemed to be decent quality.
back in the 50s-60s. They will provide the quality they are paid to
provide. No more, no less. At least Husky has the "Forever
Guarantee".
> I remember the cheap sockets my step-dad used to buy. The chrome was
> peeling off, and they would either strip out inside or just crack in half
> when you put any pressure on them. I quickly learned to buy my own tools
> and not borrow his. :)
I was a pro. This is fortunate, as the tools now available are crap,
compared to 30-40 yrs ago. OTOH, I recently bought some Craftsman SAE
combo wrenches. I held out until the "Made in USA" wrenches were on
sale. Yes! Sears offers both domestic and foreign made tools under
the Craftman name. Yer choice. I don't wanna guess "where" in the
the USA these tools were made. Hopefully, not on Guam.
BTW, my chrome S-K sockets never lost their chrome plating, even when
I used 'em on air impact tools. Too bad they were stolen. :(
nb
bob_villa
> BTW, my chrome S-K sockets never lost their chrome plating, even when
> I used 'em on air impact tools. Too bad they were stolen. :(
>
> nb
Paint...@unlisted.moo
their butt cheeks for a "Made in China" label. 93.7% of all babies made
since 2005 are now made in China.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
wrote:
Ontario by Kuntz Electroplating.
The japanese parts would be things like the starter and some other
electrical parts.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
market.. I've had most of my Craftsman tools since 1969 - along with
most of my SK and Herbrand.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
was built in Westmoreland Pennsylvania
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Craftsman tools of the late 60s - and the surprizing thing is they
don't cost much more than the Craftsman tools did back in the time.
I have well over $20,000 invested in mechanics hand tools - many
purchaced when I was making significantly under $5 an hour.
I could replace virtually all of them for under $8000 today - with
equivalent or better quality and warrantee. (and I earn a lot more
than $5 an hour today!!!) Back then I could by a nice new mustang for
under $3000 0 making that $20000 more like 200000 today!!!
notbob
> The japanese parts.........
What, precisely, constitutes a "japanese" (sic) part?
Did you know that when HD bought themselves back from AMF and
developed the Evolution engine, those engines were manufactured (in
the USA) on 40 million dollars worth of newly purchased (from Japan)
Japanese mfrg equipment? That was 1984.
Somehow, I doubt even less of that particular brand of m/c is
currently mfrd in the USA, today. 8|
nb
Ed Pawlowski
waldo
bob_villa
rbowman
> The japanese parts would be things like the starter and some other
> electrical parts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showa_Corporation
Some of the cast wheels are by Enkei. They may be made in the
Jacksonville plant. I don't know about current production but they used
to favor Dunlop tires. Who knows where they were made.
rbowman
> I've got a surprise for you. A 1976 Rabbit isn'r a german car - it
> was built in Westmoreland Pennsylvania
HerHusband
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Westmoreland_Assembly
My 1976 VW Rabbit was built in Wolfsburg, Germany.
Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
DerbyDad03
> > I've got a surprise for you. A 1976 Rabbit isn't a german car
> > it was built in Westmoreland Pennsylvania
>
> The Westmoreland plant didn't start building Rabbits until 1978:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Westmoreland_Assembly
>
> My 1976 VW Rabbit was built in Wolfsburg, Germany.
>
I totaled it while stationed at USCG LORSTA Sylt Germany in 1976.
