We've heard some of your other ideas so we'll give that one the credit
it deserves.
Other option is to run burried cable and put electrical
weatherproof socket at the stock tank.
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"Jon Danniken" <jonSPAMMEN...@yahSPAMhoo.com> wrote
in message news:igcetl$jsn$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
Is it possible to replace the line cord on the tank heater
with one that is
long enough to reach the outlet in the nearby shed?
Jon
re: "...and gfci's don't work outside"
Actually, they work very well outside, if used for their intended
purpose.
Based on what you said, these must be for inside use only:
http://www.the-power-washer-advisor.com/images/ExtCords_GFCI.jpg
>> [about Saran Wrap]
>
>One of the many advantages of the stretch wrap that I use is that no
>tape or tie wraps are needed.
What do you consider to be stretch wrap?
There are several brands of transparent wrap, and unlike aluminum foil
or waxed paper, each has different qualities.
>Since it sticks to itself when stretched, nothing else is needed to
>hold it in place.
>
>With nothing holding it in place except its own properties, it makes
>removal much easier also.
>
>In addition, it can be used to secure cords (or light strings) to
>poles, railings or anything else that you can wrap it around.
>
>It's also much cheaper than Saran Wrap or any other kitchen wrap.
So it's nothing that is sold for the kitchen. So what are you
talking about? What is the brand name? Where is it sold?
* * *
> What do you consider to be stretch wrap?
I included an image link in my earlier post.
http://www.movingboxdallas.com/images/stretchwrap.jpg
This is the same material used to wrap pallets for shipping.
http://www.selftrading.co.uk/files/images/pallet-101-wrapped.JPG
>
> There are several brands of transparent wrap, and unlike aluminum foil
> or waxed paper, each has different qualities.
>
> >Since it sticks to itself when stretched, nothing else is needed to
> >hold it in place.
>
> >With nothing holding it in place except its own properties, it makes
> >removal much easier also.
>
> >In addition, it can be used to secure cords (or light strings) to
> >poles, railings or anything else that you can wrap it around.
>
> >It's also much cheaper than Saran Wrap or any other kitchen wrap.
***
> So it's nothing that is sold for the kitchen.
Right.
> So what are you talking about? As noted earlier....
http://www.movingboxdallas.com/images/stretchwrap.jpg
This is the same material used to wrap pallets for shipping.
http://www.selftrading.co.uk/files/images/pallet-101-wrapped.JPG
> What is the brand name?
That probably depends on where you buy it.
>Where is it sold?
I didn't include a link to a specific source since it is available
from many places, including (probably) the borgs and most moving
supply companies, e.g. U-Haul, etc.
Here's a link to a couple of Harbor Freight options.
http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?category=&q=stretch+wrap
I have a roll of the "hand held" version that I use for all sorts of
wrapping needs, including the junctions of outdoor extension cords
used for holiday decorations.
I have a large odd-shaped item in my gargage that I wanted to protect
with a moving blanket. With my daughter holding the blanket in place,
I used the stretch wrap in a couple of strategic locations and the
blanket hasn't moved in years.
A former hobby required me to use a number of ratchet tie downs. I
don't need them very often now, so instead of keeping them in the
bucket where they tend to get all tangled up, I rolled up each set,
wrapped them in the stretch wrap and put them in small box until
they're needed.
If you've over stuffed your plastic storage bin and the top keep
popping off, run some strech wrap around it the top'll stay in place
forever.
Once you start using, it, you'll keep finding more uses for it.
So it's nothing that is sold for the kitchen. So what are you
talking about? What is the brand name? Where is it sold?
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He's talking about plastic wrap that is used by the shipping industry to
wrap pallets and skids and boxes with. The average Joe can get wrap like
that at Staples and the like, even larger Post Offices or moving places that
selling shipping supplies. But it's sold in like 1000 foot quantities. If
you work for a company that has a shipping deptment you can get it there if
you ask your co-worker.
The stuff I use is kitchen food wrap that clings to one side of the plastic.
However I'm in Cold Canada where the cold weather can make any plastic wrap
or film unclingy so I use really good quality electrical tape to ensure the
wrap stays in place in case kids or dogs trip on my cords, etc. Usually
winter around my house the snow and ice will stay on the ground for 20- 30
days at a time, melt, then come back and stay another 30 days. There was
one winter where it stayed for 104 days straight. I'd had no fears about
water seeping in thru kitchen wrap plastic.
I don't use the tape around the plugs cause the adhesive messes things up
and sticks to stuff. It's like mucky glue.
Because I work in a warehouse for a living I can get DerbyDad's wrap for
free and I might try it next year.
Actually, they work very well outside, if used for their intended
purpose.
Based on what you said, these must be for inside use only:
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There are outdoor rated (CSA and UL) GFCI's and there are properly rated
covers for them too.
You can also use GFCI breakers at the panel box for such a purpose however
these are costly. For example I have a 220 volt/7.5 amp swimming pool plug
that I could not find a properly rated outdoor gfci outlet for. When I
changed my panel box this summer, the Electrician said they are not
available in Ontario and I had to pay $145 for the breaker (2 pole).
OUCH!
I used the stretch wrap this year for my Christmas lights and we went
through all sorts of weather from snow to thaw to rain and none of the
connections had an issue. I had one connection where a 3-way adaptor
was plugged into the end of an extension cord but only 2 of the
receptables was being used. This connection was lying on top of the
bushes and got covered in snow a couple of times and also rained upon.
I think I would have known if there was an issue since my GFCI has
tripped in the past due to unprotected extension cord junctions.
For Halloween I used an extension cord that has a junction box and a
duplex receptacle on the end. I stretch-wrapped the whole mess and it
sat in the rain for days and never tripped the GFCI.
re: "I don't use the tape around the plugs cause the adhesive messes
things up and sticks to stuff. It's like mucky glue."
That's what makes the stretch wrap so convenient. It only sticks to
itself and once stretched it seals very, very well.
re: But it's sold in like 1000 foot quantities
Yeah, but for only $7.99!
http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?category=&q=stretch+wrap
I spent less than that on my roll and it has lasted a long time
although now that I'm finding more and more uses for it, I'll need to
get new one.
A little searching turned this up:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3938nhx
There are all sorts of water tight connectors available.
TDD
I wrap the connections on the cords I use for Christmas lights with
plastic wrap, the plain old stuff used to cover foods. A couple of
wraps of that, and then a zip tie on each cord. Seems to work well
and is pretty easy to remove. I doubt it would work if totally
submerged in water, but for snow and rain it seems to work fine.
HTH,
Paul F.
I would make up cables with waterproof connectors. Make the cables
long enough so the only splice is at the tank where the heaters plug
into the cords. Consider installing a permanent outlet at the tanks
feed by a buried cable. Place the connections in a weather tight box.
Jimmie
Get some double gang code keepers, seal up backside or attach them to
double gang aluminum box. Mount them on a stake next to water tank,
place heater plug and extension cord socket inside code keeper.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_147292-53911-2CKNM-NG-L_4294821893_4294937087_?productId=3257028
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Or go full blown and build your own specialised extension cord (50 to
100ft) with 4 conductors(2 circuits) cable with two sets of outlets
inside a aluminum double gang box w code keeper and other end with
switches inside another double box w code keeper.
Make each outlet switchable from remote location. Plug in different
size heaters (250, 500, 1000) into their own switchable outlet under
the code keeper.
-----
or go super simple..
Use a foot long section of 1&1/2" grey PVC.. slip it over extension
cord and heater plug... Stuff some form in either end.
http://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Fix-Tape-As-Seen/dp/B00414DWQA/ref=pd_cp_hi_2
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Your idea sounds good. I was going to suggest wrapping in any kind of
a second-hand plastic bag, like from groceries, than putting tape over
the bag at each end, so you wouldn't be sticking the tape to the cord,
and you could cut it and take it off completely and throw away the bag
and the tape easily.
>HTH,
>
>Paul F.
I have used an old bicycle inner tube cut to a length that will cover
the ends of the cords and tied with Panduit ties. If you are really in
need of a waterproof cover, you can place a rubber caulk over both ends
before tying the ends with Panduit ties.
Is it possible to replace the line cord on the tank heater with one that is
(Googles) Here's one, at random:
http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/electrical.shtml#cover
But having said that, can't you just set the connection up on an old
milk crate or something? As long as I kept it out of standing water,
I've never had any problems.
--
aem sends...
Ditto this for both Christmas and some temporary connections for our
home construction. Plus I often add a ziploc bag over the connection
to shed water. I keep the opening pointed down so any moisture that
accumulates can drip out. This is temporary, and might be light-
weight for your use, but it works for a month or so.
Rob
You can buy booted cord connectors and caps that are intended
specifically for what you are doing.
Also if you need to use tape for something else in cold weather just buy
real tape. The typical tape you find at the big box mart is made from
cheap plastic and gets hard in cold weather and also with time.
Real electrical tape:
http://www.3m.com/product/information/Scotch-Super-33plus-Vinyl-Electrical-Tape.html
http://www.3m.com/product/information/Scotch-Super-Vinyl-Electrical-Tape-88.html
Out side of the sealed plug topic, I came across an interesting site
about deicers:
http://www.farminnovators.com/
TDD
> Out side of the sealed plug topic, I came across an interesting site
> about deicers:
>
> http://www.farminnovators.com/
...
Indeed; I can't imagine having such a makeshift operation to start with;
there's too much else to do to have to take the time not to mention the
inconvenience of dealing with it in inclement weather and the conditions
otherwise.
While were not large operation by today, feedlots have capacity here for
about 500 head in the main feeding lots and the working and holding pens
total five watering stations. They're all permanently plumbed/wired and
the heaters are thermostatically controlled instead of fixed wattage so
takes that away. Can't imagine dealing with anything else.
To get thru the immediate winter I'd follow w/ the recommendation of
picking the junctions up off the ground somebody else made on a
temporary post and switching to thermostatically-controlled heaters aka
the above link or something similar; there are many choices as well as
these (should be a stock item at the local farmers co-op or farm supply
of choice).
--
Silicone caulk. It's a bugger to get off later - or silicone grease -
(silicone dialectric compund or waterproof silicone-based lubricating
grease)
tie 'em up off the ground on a stake or something and cover with a zip
lock bag. personally, i won't use a gfci ANYwhere for that matter, but
if you insist....
--
For both my Halloween and Christmas decorations I wrap my cord
connections in stretch wrap like this product:
http://www.movingboxdallas.com/images/stretchwrap.jpg
I use in it all sorts of ways to secure items, seal items, waterproof
items, etc.
Many things that I used to use duct tape for now get wrapped with
stretch wrap. It's cheaper and much easier/cleaner to remove.
>
> tie 'em up off the ground on a stake or something and cover with a zip
> lock bag. personally, i won't use a gfci ANYwhere for that matter, but
> if you insist....
>
HTH,
Paul F.
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I'm in Canada and that's what I do. Saran Wrap stays flexible in the cold
and I use CSA or UL electrical tap to hold the wrap in place but zip-ties is
a good idea. Got it on the Xmas lights around my house roof and front yard
trees and there is about 10 cm or 3 inches of snow sitting on top of the
connections. Snow can stay on top of the connections for months before
melting some years.
Don't use old electrical cords. you'll want the insulation to be flexible
and uncrackabl and most importantly you'll want the prongs not to unplug
themselves due to freeze thaw cycles. Worn prongs and plugs don't stay in
place as well.
code schmode, when on a farm you do what works. and gfci's don't work
outside. BTDT, many times.
One of the many advantages of the stretch wrap that I use is that no
tape or tie wraps are needed.
Since it sticks to itself when stretched, nothing else is needed to
hold it in place.
With nothing holding it in place except its own properties, it makes
removal much easier also.
In addition, it can be used to secure cords (or light strings) to
poles, railings or anything else that you can wrap it around.
It's also much cheaper than Saran Wrap or any other kitchen wrap.