With Ohio This Election's Deciding State, Here Is The Truth Behind Its "Jobs Miracle"

[Walter Cronkite]

One of the comments to this story:

===============
Once the mafia was taken down, the blacks spread like wildfire and Ohio
was diagnosed with terminal cancer. Ohio is now controlled by blacks and
Jews. Cleveland is the home of the personal injury Jew and the food
stamp black, a combination no city can survive.

Columbus has been taken over by Somalians thanks to Bill Clinton.
Youngstown has been dead for over a decade, Toledo is now owned by the
Chinese, and Cincinnati hasn't mattered since the Irish moved out.

The only people doing well in Ohio are blacks on welfare, health care
workers, and those on government backed pensions.

Thanks to the lies told by the repeal Senate Bill 5 crowd last year,
every school district is bankrupt. The issue never would have made it on
the ballot without thousands of forged signatures.

Obama may win Ohio but it will be through a few hundred thousand
fraudulent inner city votes. SEIU will be out in full force intimidating
white voters. I even heard that they are going to bus blacks that have
already voted to white areas to clog the polls. Create a denial of
service attack.

Once again it will be proven that the elections in Iran are more
legitimate that ours.
===============

Anyone here care to confirm or deny this?

Will Carter and the UN be supervising the electoral process in the USA?
Seems like their oversight is needed, just like it is in every other
tin-plated banana republic.

Is Ohio using Diebold voting machines this election?

I thought that one of the arguments for having elections on a fixed
schedule is that you're better organized and can pull it off more
smoothly than other countries (like Canada) that don't have a fixed
schedule.

Will Ohio and Florida once again make the USA the laughing stock of
planet earth when it comes to the excercise of the democratic process -
something the USA thinks it invented?

Here's the full story:

==========================
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-06/ohio-elections-deciding-state-here-truth-behind-its-jobs-miracle

Forget Florida. This election it is all about Ohio.

Without Ohio, Romney's winning chances plummet (as can be observed at
the following interactive chart), even if one ignores history which is
that since 1862 no Republican has won the presidency without winning
Ohio. This is a fact well-known to the Obama administration, which
explains why the incumbent has spent so much time in the ravaged state,
where he has spent so much time ruminating on the the Ohio "unemployment
rate miracle." Sure enough, in September, the Ohio unemployment dipped
to 7.0%, the lowest since September 2008! On the surface, a tremendous
metric and great improvement for a state that would have certainly been
firmly in the pro-GOP camp had Obama not been able to hammer on this
statistic time and time again. Yet, as always, the unemployment rate is
only part of the story. The bigger question is whether or not another
data set is being fudged to make the Ohio jobs situation appear better
than it is in real life. The answer is, predictably, yes.

As the chart below shows, even as the unemployment rate was declining,
the labor force participation rate for this most critical of states
plunged to 63.6%: the lowest since the "end of the recession" (even as
the national LFP rate saw a modest uptick in the past two months), but
more importantly is the lowest for Ohio since 1984. Which means one
simple thing, a thing which can be inferred by looking at the historical
convergence of the two data sets (participation rate is shown on the
left inverted axis): once the pre-election "data nudging" ends, and the
LFP is allowed to reflect reality, watch as the Ohio unemployment rate
explodes to over 10%, which is what its fair value is according at least
to the participation rate. But by then the game of pre-election optics
will be over, and Ohioans will realize that promises, propaganda and
reality never, ever coexist peacefully.

BloombergBriefs confirms this observation:

.............
The state of Ohio is seen as pivotal in the election. The size of
the labor force in Ohio, which once was home to a vibrant manufacturing
industry, has declined by about 85,000 workers over the past four years.
The unemployment rate of 7 percent is below the national rate of 7.9
percent, probably because some people stopped looking for work and are
not counted as unemployed. The labor force participation rate is 63.6
percent in both the U.S. and Ohio, indicating a �real unemployment rate�
of something closer to 10 percent.
.............


Q.E.D.

Finally, for those who say the drop in the participation rate is due to
a demographic shift of the population, this is and has been a dead wrong
statement. As we showed in the past week, virtually all job gains at the
national level since Obama took power have occurred in the 55-69 age
group, which has risen by about 4 million workers, even as those in the
prime demographic of 25-54 have lost over 2 million jobs, for one simple
reason: the elderly are forced to return to the labor force in droves
because under ZIRP their saving have zero purchasing power, which in
turn skews the hirings toward those who have little wage negotiating
leverage and substantially more job experience than their younger,
inexperienced job hunting competition.

[Michael Dobony]

Very difficult to find ANYBODY who voted for Clinton as governor or
President in Arkansas. Very difficult to find ANYBODY who voted for Obama
in Chicago, or all of Ill. for that matter. Still, they won there by a
landslide of fraudulent voters.

The only jobs that you can find from Obama and the Democrat criminal
spending spree are foodstamp and welfare new claims processors.

[HeyBub]

Walter Cronkite wrote:
>
> Without Ohio, Romney's winning chances plummet (as can be observed at
> the following interactive chart), even if one ignores history which is
> that since 1862 no Republican has won the presidency without winning
> Ohio. This is a fact well-known to the Obama administration, which
> explains why the incumbent has spent so much time in the ravaged
> state, where he has spent so much time ruminating on the the Ohio
> "unemployment rate miracle."

As you point out, Ohio is not the same state it was in 1862. Or since.

[Douglas Johnson]

There was no presidential election in 1862.
-- Doug

[Oren]

!861?

Jefferson Finis Davis, President of the Confederate States of America
for its entire history, from 1861 to 1865.

[bob haller]

One of my customers happens to be GM in lordstown ohio.

if it werent for obama that plant would be a abandoned rusting
monument to what was till GM was bought in bankruptcy by china for the
dealer network.......

GM lordstown is actually hiring for the first time in nearly 20
years.

OBAMA CLEARLY SAVED GM IN OUR COUNTRY!

[Oren]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:22:44 -0800 (PST), bob haller <hal...@aol.com>
wrote:

>OBAMA CLEARLY SAVED GM IN OUR COUNTRY!

How are those coal miners in western PA (eastern OH) doing?

[Stormin Mormon]

If the free market forces don't save a company, it's not worth saving. We
don't need socialist take over of industry.

What's next? Tax payer dollars supporting Amalagmated Wagon Wheel, just
cause someone wants to keep them around? Let the market decide.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"bob haller" <hal...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fea232f3-1759-4847...@o8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

[gregz]

Obama and Casey from our state have caused shutdowns of power plants.
Losing those jobs plus mining losses.

Greg

[Stormin Mormon]

How about oil producers, and anyone who
uses road motor fuel?
You like four dollar gasoline?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"gregz" <ze...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:821848535373952633.84...@news.eternal-september.org...

[gregz]

The power plant over the hill shut down. Emissions were down 85% from10
years ago. And the other big plant which makes coke plant is "steel"
running, but I dont know it's future. Luckily the GM plant here is still
operating. Used to be called Fisher Body, near Clairton pa.

Greg

[Home Guy]

bob haller wrote:

> One of my customers happens to be GM in lordstown ohio.
>

> GM lordstown is actually hiring for the first time in nearly 20
> years.

GM and many other manufacturers have been "channel-stuffing" over the
past 6 to 9 months.

Building cars that they book as "sold" but are just filling dealer lots
to overflowing.

Now the the election is over, the avalanche of layoffs will start.

[Robert Green]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> If the free market forces don't save a company, it's not worth saving. We
> don't need socialist take over of industry.

Says the guy who's run his own locksmithing business so well that by his own
admission he doesn't even have *any* money to send to the Sandy recovery
expert. What, exactly, makes you a business expert again, Stormie?

> What's next? Tax payer dollars supporting Amalagmated Wagon Wheel, just
> cause someone wants to keep them around? Let the market decide.

You must have had a lot of trouble as a kid with those "Which one of these
is not like the others?" tests.

GM was and is one of the largest manufacturers in the world. GM
significantly helped us win WWII by overwhelming the Nazis with war
materiel. They had better tanks but we had a nearless endless supply of
them and the ability to create many more than were needed to win.

Comparing GM to a wagon wheel maker is absolutely specious.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/specious

"having a false look of truth or genuineness"

GM's tremendous production capability helped save the USA when we were in
mortal peril. I think it's just good sense to return the favor in so many
ways. Financially, politically and patriotically.

If government loans during an unprecedented global credit freeze was the
only way of saving one of America's largest manufacturers from being hacked
into pieces and sold abroad, then I'm all for it.

Say, if your business is so deeply in debt you can't send a check to the
hurricane relief effort, you're probably not paying any taxes at all. So
why are you so concerned about what actual tax payers do? Why are you here
at all? Go grow your business and stop wasting time on the internet posting
off-topic politcal crap.

--
Bobby G.

[Ralph Mowery]

"Robert Green" <robert_g...@yah00.com> wrote in message
news:k7dd5b$vkv$1...@dont-email.me...

> GM was and is one of the largest manufacturers in the world. GM
> significantly helped us win WWII by overwhelming the Nazis with war
> materiel. They had better tanks but we had a nearless endless supply of
> them and the ability to create many more than were needed to win.
>

That was true in war. It took about 3 to 4 American tanks to tgake out one
German tank. Now it is the same. Buy one good Jap car for the same price
and it will outlast 3 or 4 American cars. Fine for the government, but I
can not afford to buy that many.

Now if I can find out how to get an Obama car, then I will have a differant
outlook. So far I can not even get an Obama phone.

[bob haller]

If obama hadnt bailed out GM it would of been liquidated and sold to
china in bankruptcy.

china would of bought near everything and moved all production to
their country. all that would of remained of GM in the US would of
been the dealers and a few old auto plants turned in autmated parts
warehouses/

On the other hand romney would of disassembled GM selling it off for
profit, just like bain capital.

[SMS]

On 11/7/2012 8:46 AM, bob haller wrote:
> If obama hadnt bailed out GM it would of been liquidated and sold to
> china in bankruptcy.
>
> china would of bought near everything and moved all production to
> their country. all that would of remained of GM in the US would of
> been the dealers and a few old auto plants turned in autmated parts
> warehouses/

China bought up a lot of U.S. companies at bargain prices during the
depths of the recession. This was a side-effect of the Bush wars and tax
cuts that is not talked about much. Some say China overpaid, based on
the revenue and profits, but what they were really after was technology
and brand recognition.

I'm reading a book now by James Fallows, _China Airborne_ about China's
aerospace industry. Chinese firms (essentially the government) bought
Hawker-Beechcraft and Cirrus (makes the small planes with parachutes).
These were strategic purchases to acquire technology.

There's a good article about what China is doing, and why at
<http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2005/06/the_china_price.html>.

In any case, the bailout of GM was almost certainly a wise investment by
the U.S.. GM's problems were at least partially caused by the
government. If you look at the government regulations and tax structures
in countries with healthy auto industries, you can see how these
countries helped, or actually forced, their automakers to build more
reliable, more fuel-efficient vehicles which also happened to appeal to
U.S. consumers. In the U.S., the price of fuel has been held down to
artificially low levels, and massive subsidies have gone to road
building at the expense of mass transit. When fuel prices finally did go
way up, it was not like in Europe or Asia, where much of the high cost
is due to high fuel taxes used to fund mass-transit, it was due mainly
to higher profits for the oil companies.

The good news about the U.S. auto industry is that there really is no
reason that they can't compete successfully against Toyota, Honda, and
Hyundai, and some of the policies implemented by Obama will help this
happen.

[Bob_Villa]

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 9:12:13 AM UTC-6, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Buy one good Jap car for the same price
>
> and it will outlast 3 or 4 American cars. Fine for the government, but I
>
> can not afford to buy that many.
>

I have a '95 Saturn and a '01 Buick that haven't had any problems and they were bought used! Blow-it out your bum!

[Oren]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:46:51 -0800 (PST), bob haller <hal...@aol.com>
wrote:

>If obama hadnt bailed out GM

Spit!

Bush started the GM bailout with TARP funds in December 2008.

"...on December 19th, 2008, when President Bush announced a $13.4
billion bailout from TARP funds. While still against the notion of
using TARP funds for such a bailout, the President acknowledged the
unique circumstances affecting the Detroit auto companies and the
disastrous consequences that could result from their disorderly
bankruptcies."

<http://detroit.about.com/od/bigthreebailout/a/auto_bailout.htm>

Why is it that the Democrats never mention this?

Give credit where credit is due, Bob.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <pa8l985bbutlrf9o1...@4ax.com>, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

and why is it that the repubs don't mention that the bailout was done by a repub
Prez, who acknowledged the "disastrous consequences that could result from their
disorderly bankruptcies."? Can't have bailouts working, can they?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

got a cite for that?

[Bob F]

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> How about oil producers, and anyone who
> uses road motor fuel?
> You like four dollar gasoline?

That's just supply and demand. The refiners can get more by selling it in China
or Germany, so they sell it there. Build that new pipeline so they can get it to
a seaport refiner instead the midwest where it stops now, and prices will go
even higher.

[Oren]

You tell me. You seem to be the friggin' expert on Republicans.

[Bob F]

You've sure got that right! They try to blame all the bailouts on Obama. Just
like the health care insurance mandate, which was pushed by Repubs for years
before the Democrats put it into the health care act to try to get a few Repub
votes. Then the Repubs all voted against it anyway, and started claiming that it
was horrible.

[Bob F]

Fox "news" for sure! They make up all sorts of things like that.

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <atlas-bugged-0066...@news.solani.org>,

"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>

> and why is it that the repubs don't mention that the bailout was done by a
> repub
> Prez, who acknowledged the "disastrous consequences that could result from
> their
> disorderly bankruptcies."? Can't have bailouts working, can they?

Most of the problem I had was with the Feds mandating the payouts.
I have less concerns about the government providing the
debtor-in-possession financing. But to have the entity giving the money
shortcircuiting the process and doling out winners and losers,
especially when the main winner was the UAW and was favored over the
senior debt holders is a bit much.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe

[Kronos]

"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:pa8l985bbutlrf9o1...@4ax.com...

Democrats do acknowledge this, in fact the Democrats controlled both houses
and came up with the idea. I am glad Bush signed it. Although at the time,
I thought it was a terrible idea.

[Oren]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:48:49 -0500, "Kronos" <inv...@crazy.com> wrote:

>> Bush started the GM bailout with TARP funds in December 2008.
>>
>> "...on December 19th, 2008, when President Bush announced a $13.4
>> billion bailout from TARP funds. While still against the notion of
>> using TARP funds for such a bailout, the President acknowledged the
>> unique circumstances affecting the Detroit auto companies and the
>> disastrous consequences that could result from their disorderly
>> bankruptcies."
>>
>> <http://detroit.about.com/od/bigthreebailout/a/auto_bailout.htm>
>>
>> Why is it that the Democrats never mention this?
>>
>> Give credit where credit is due, Bob.
>
>Democrats do acknowledge this, in fact the Democrats controlled both houses
>and came up with the idea. I am glad Bush signed it. Although at the time,
>I thought it was a terrible idea.
>

What gets me is that Liberals here are always one-way. Obama saved GM,
yak, yak, yak.

I don't agree with anytime government is trying to control the economy
by getting involved in who gets what. Government has limited powers,
controlling the economy, as a whole, is not one of them.

Less government is a better government.

/rant off

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <k9kl989tv3h6odmq0...@4ax.com>, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1>

wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:10:23 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In article <pa8l985bbutlrf9o1...@4ax.com>, Oren
> ><Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:46:51 -0800 (PST), bob haller <hal...@aol.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >If obama hadnt bailed out GM
> >>
> >> Spit!
> >>
> >> Bush started the GM bailout with TARP funds in December 2008.
> >>
> >> "...on December 19th, 2008, when President Bush announced a $13.4 billion
> >> bailout from TARP funds. While still against the notion of using TARP
> >> funds for such a bailout, the President acknowledged the unique
> >> circumstances affecting the Detroit auto companies and the disastrous
> >> consequences that could result from their disorderly bankruptcies."
> >>
> >> <http://detroit.about.com/od/bigthreebailout/a/auto_bailout.htm>
> >>
> >> Why is it that the Democrats never mention this?
> >>
> >> Give credit where credit is due, Bob.
> >
> >and why is it that the repubs don't mention that the bailout was done by a
> >repub Prez, who acknowledged the "disastrous consequences that could result
> >from their disorderly bankruptcies."? Can't have bailouts working, can they?
>
> You tell me. You seem to be the friggin' expert on Republicans.

not I, I just ask questions to find out how the 1% think

[HeyBub]

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> GM and many other manufacturers have been "channel-stuffing" over the
>> past 6 to 9 months.
>>
>> Building cars that they book as "sold" but are just filling dealer
>> lots to overflowing.
>>
>> Now the the election is over, the avalanche of layoffs will start.
>
> got a cite for that?

Here's one - on the "stuffing." I can't tell about the possible layoffs:

"...the entire incremental rise in sales [between September & October], and
then some, was due to [GM] stuffing dealers with even more inventory than
they can possibly handle!"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-01/gm-channel-stuffing-soars-record

[Bob F]

Oren wrote:
>
> Less government is a better government.
>

That's your opinion.

Less government -- eliminate the military, police, fire department, highways and
street maintainence, libraries, schools, air traffic control.......

That'll be a fine place to live?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <qcadnfm1tN__NQbN...@earthlink.com>,

but what's the point?

[Oren]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:38:36 -0800, "Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Oren wrote:
>>
>> Less government is a better government.
>>
>
>That's your opinion.
>

Not just opinion, but my EXPERIENCE with 25 years of federal service.

There.

>Less government -- eliminate the military, police, fire department, highways and
>street maintainence, libraries, schools, air traffic control.......
>
>That'll be a fine place to live?
>

No Bob, we need the military strong with bayonets, horses, and such.
We need to give our enemies an opportunity to die for their country.
Small businesses that make widgets for killing them employ people.

Police and Fire have no obligation to protect you. Buy a gun, because
when you need one the police are only minutes away.

I'm talking about duplicative government programs. Why should 10
agencies have overlapping programs? (see GAO government waste reports)

We could save a lot by taking the ink and paper away from Uncle Sam,
so he cannot print so much money.

Why is government studying mating habit of strange animals?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <1p3o98le4g6rtedl0...@4ax.com>, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

> Why is government studying mating habit of strange animals?

in case the 1%ers want to domesticate them as servants

[Oren]

You are now Bob's talking parrot, his spokesman that answers questions
to him?

Interesting.

[gregz]

In looking at used cars, I've seen a big increase of good deals on craigs
list this past October from summer. I figure they are buying new cars. I
bought two used.

Greg

[Oren]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:03:59 -0500, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

>>> "...the entire incremental rise in sales [between September & October], and
>>> then some, was due to [GM] stuffing dealers with even more inventory than
>>> they can possibly handle!"
>>>
>>> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-01/gm-channel-stuffing-soars-record
>>
>>but what's the point?
>

>The point was to delay the GM layoffs until after the election. Expect
>a massive one within a month. That ripples down through all the
>suppliers, including the ones in Ohio.

Cookin' the Books?

Looks good when the cars are on the lot and not at the factory.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <teso98pv2nkigntkn...@4ax.com>, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

yes, that's easy enough to understand, but when you play that kind of game with
this type of inventory, it catches up with you unless they are predicting huge
sales in the next month(s)

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <mflo989uso7te6onm...@4ax.com>, gfre...@aol.com
wrote:

> The point was to delay the GM layoffs until after the election. Expect
> a massive one within a month. That ripples down through all the
> suppliers, including the ones in Ohio.

Oh, I see. The republican types that run big businesses like GM for some
inexplicable reason wanted Obama to win?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <ucfo98tkrh52qvl0g...@4ax.com>, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize I needed permission

or that you didn't understand humor

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <r45p98t3gs6fgvs18...@4ax.com>,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:

>
> The federal government is still the largest single stock holder in GM
> holding a third of it. The management likes to make the stock holders
> happy.


And I am sure the management team remembers how they cleared out their
predesesors.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <c86dnaYMc82CbgHN...@earthlink.com>,

Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <r45p98t3gs6fgvs18...@4ax.com>,
> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > The federal government is still the largest single stock holder in GM
> > holding a third of it. The management likes to make the stock holders
> > happy.
>
>
> And I am sure the management team remembers how they cleared out their
> predesesors.

like that could actually happen again

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <atlas-bugged-1462...@news.solani.org>,

"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Any particular reason to think it couldn't? The precedent is surely
there.

[recycl...@gmail.com]

I’m old enough to remember Nixon and Watergate. After the scandal and his resignation I asked many Republicans what they thought about the whole affair. No matter how many people I asked I couldn’t find a single person who admitted to ever voting for Nixon. I wonder how he got elected to office if nobody voted for him. I’m sure it can’t be that any Republican LIED to me.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <ksednXAeNarJ7wDN...@earthlink.com>,

Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <atlas-bugged-1462...@news.solani.org>,
> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <c86dnaYMc82CbgHN...@earthlink.com>,
> > Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <r45p98t3gs6fgvs18...@4ax.com>,
> > > gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The federal government is still the largest single stock holder in GM
> > > > holding a third of it. The management likes to make the stock holders
> > > > happy.
> > >
> > >
> > > And I am sure the management team remembers how they cleared out their
> > > predesesors.
> >
> > like that could actually happen again
>
> Any particular reason to think it couldn't? The precedent is surely
> there.

so was the blowback

[The Daring Dufas]

On 11/10/2012 1:04 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:17:49 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

> <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <ksednXAeNarJ7wDN...@earthlink.com>,
>> Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <atlas-bugged-1462...@news.solani.org>,
>>> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <c86dnaYMc82CbgHN...@earthlink.com>,
>>>> Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <r45p98t3gs6fgvs18...@4ax.com>,
>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The federal government is still the largest single stock holder in GM
>>>>>> holding a third of it. The management likes to make the stock holders
>>>>>> happy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And I am sure the management team remembers how they cleared out their
>>>>> predesesors.
>>>>
>>>> like that could actually happen again
>>>
>>> Any particular reason to think it couldn't? The precedent is surely
>>> there.
>>
>> so was the blowback
>

> When GM goes belly up again there will be calls for scalps political
> and in the board room.
>

Where my free Chevy Volt at?! I gots my Obama Phone now I needs a free
fly ride! ^_^

TDD

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <i0vr985qc70bg1pat...@4ax.com>, gfre...@aol.com
wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:17:49 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

> <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In article <ksednXAeNarJ7wDN...@earthlink.com>,
> > Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <atlas-bugged-1462...@news.solani.org>,
> >> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <c86dnaYMc82CbgHN...@earthlink.com>,
> >> > Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > In article <r45p98t3gs6fgvs18...@4ax.com>,
> >> > > gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The federal government is still the largest single stock holder in GM
> >> > > > holding a third of it. The management likes to make the stock holders
> >> > > > happy.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > And I am sure the management team remembers how they cleared out their
> >> > > predesesors.
> >> >
> >> > like that could actually happen again
> >>
> >> Any particular reason to think it couldn't? The precedent is surely
> >> there.
> >
> >so was the blowback
>

> When GM goes belly up again there will be calls for scalps political
> and in the board room.

always, but it's evolution in action and it's good for the entitled to every
once in a while stand in lines

[Cha ching]

"The Daring Dufas" <the-dari...@stinky-finger.net> wrote in message
news:k7m7jt$44u$1...@dont-email.me...

> Where my free Chevy Volt at?! I gots my Obama Phone now I needs a free
> fly ride! ^_^
>

Whenever anyone mentions an Obama phone, you know they're someone's puppet.
You'd be doing yourself a huge favor to see where & when the free phone
thingy started. That way, you don't make yourself look like a jackass.

You're welcome!

[The Daring Dufas]

I know all about how the program started and how it was corrupted by
politics into the debacle it is now. The really sad thing is the fact
that Negro Americans believe Obama did it just for them because they
mistakenly believe Obama is one of them. O_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

You may be suffering from H.I.S.I., pronounced "hissy". It stands for
(H)umor (I)rony (S)arcasm (I)mpairment. People with that particular
mental disease are said to have H.I.S.I. fits and often put on a big
display of pseudo-intellectualism about the subject at hand when they
fail to see the humor or bizarreness of statements made by someone who
is attempting to pull their leg. It's also called The Mr. Data response
in some circles. ^_^

TDD

[gonjah]

I think Cha ching makes a good point but I know your posts are usually
not to be taken too seriously.

[Oren]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:09:34 -0600, The Daring Dufas
<the-dari...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:

>> Whenever anyone mentions an Obama phone, you know they're someone's puppet.
>> You'd be doing yourself a huge favor to see where & when the free phone
>> thingy started. That way, you don't make yourself look like a jackass.
>>
>> You're welcome!
>>
>
>I know all about how the program started and how it was corrupted by
>politics into the debacle it is now. The really sad thing is the fact
>that Negro Americans believe Obama did it just for them because they
>mistakenly believe Obama is one of them. O_o
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

Hoarding "30" phones in Baltimore...

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTYiKjFnMos>

[The Daring Dufas]

I never take myself TOO seriously, it keeps me from getting depressed. ^_^

TDD

[The Daring Dufas]

I like this song I tripped over on YouTube. ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFaCytKXOSQ

TDD