How to connect copper to PVC?

[walther]

What is the best way - without soldering - to connect a 3/4" rigid copper
pipe to 3/4" PVC 40?

If there is no good way, what do I need to buy to make a solder joint?

Thank you

Walter--
www.rationality.net

[Oren]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:26:29 -0700, "walther" <som...@texample.com>
wrote:

>What is the best way - without soldering - to connect a 3/4" rigid copper
>pipe to 3/4" PVC 40?

>+***

SharkBite� Push-Fit Fittings

A Connection System For Copper, CTS CPVC and PEX Pipe

The SharkBite� fittings line presents a revolutionary solution to
connecting water distribution pipe. Our SharkBite� Push-Fit Fittings
are the fastest, easiest way to join copper, CTS CPVC and PEX pipe in
any combination. With no soldering, clamps, unions or glue. The line
includes more than 130 different fittings in a variety of sizes.
Certified to 200 psi and 200�F (93�C).

<http://sharkbite.rapidfire.com.au/usa/en/products/push-fit-products/push-fit-fittings>

[DerbyDad03]

Check out SharkBite connectors, available at all plumbing stores and
most Home Centers.

Cut...Puch...Done

http://www.sharkbite.com/usa/en/applications

[N8N]

On Oct 31, 12:26 pm, "walther" <some...@texample.com> wrote:

as others have said, sharkbite ought to make a fitting that will turn
a plain copper pipe into a male 3/4" NPT then use a PVC FPT to glue
socket fitting, continue from there.

Personally I'd be tempted to just solder the one fitting onto the
copper rather than spending the $$$ for sharkbite, but then again I
have all the tools and supplies. If you need to buy all that stuff
and this is a one-off job the sharkbite starts to look like the most
economical solution.

nate

[don &/or Lucille]

Best way would be to glue a female adapter on the pvc then you could screw
in a copper adder and carry on or vice versa solder a female adapter on the
copper then screw in a pvc adaper and carry on with the pvc pipe
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[SRN]

"walther" <som...@texample.com> wrote in message
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> What is the best way - without soldering - to connect a 3/4" rigid copper
> pipe to 3/4" PVC 40?
>

Genova makes one:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_22647-322-53044Y_0__?productId=3339764&Ntt=3%22%2F4%22+-+union+%28cpvc+slip+x+brass+compression%29+cpvc&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3D3%2522%252F4%2522%2B-%2Bunion%2B%2528cpvc%2Bslip%2Bx%2Bbrass%2Bcompression%2529%2Bcpvc&facetInfo=

[SRN]

"walther" <som...@texample.com> wrote in message
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> What is the best way - without soldering - to connect a 3/4" rigid copper
> pipe to 3/4" PVC 40?
>
> If there is no good way, what do I need to buy to make a solder joint?
>

Disregard my last post. You said PVC to copper (not CPVC). Here are some
transition fitings:

http://flexpvc.com/cart/agora.cgi?product=PVC-Copper-Pipe-Adapters

[Bob F]

>> What is the best way - without soldering - to connect a 3/4" rigid
>> copper pipe to 3/4" PVC 40?
>>
>> If there is no good way, what do I need to buy to make a solder
>> joint? Thank you
>>
>> Walter--
>> www.rationality.net

don &/or Lucille wrote:
> Best way would be to glue a female adapter on the pvc then you could
> screw in a copper adder and carry on or vice versa solder a female
> adapter on the copper then screw in a pvc adaper and carry on with
> the pvc pipe "walther" <som...@texample.com> wrote in message
> news:j8mi7l$vmv$1...@dont-email.me...

Don't use metal Male threaded fittings into Female PVC. The PVC will expand or
split, resulting in leaks. The reverse is better.

[harry]

See if you can find a compression fitting that will fit/can be adapted
to fit both.
If it is a pressure joint you will need an insert in the PVC pipe to
stop it collapsing as you tighten the compression nut.

[Jim Yanik]

"don &/or Lucille" <donch...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:4eaee04e$0$16533$9a56...@news.aliant.net:

the only proper way is to solder a threaded fitting on the copper pipe,then
screw on the proper PVC adapter,and glue up your PVC pipe network to that
adapter.

you need a propane or MAPP torch,flux-core plumbing solder(no lead!!),emery
paper to clean the solder joint areas,and maybe a heat shield if there's
wood or a wall close by.

The folks at Home Depot or Lowes ought to be able to show you how to do
this properly. they might even teach a class on it.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

[DerbyDad03]

On Oct 31, 4:00 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
> "don &/or Lucille" <donches...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote innews:4eaee04e$0$16533$9a56...@news.aliant.net:

>
>
>
>
>
> > Best way would be to glue a female adapter on the pvc then you could
> > screw in a copper adder and carry on or vice versa solder a female
> > adapter on the copper then screw in a pvc adaper and carry on with the

> > pvc pipe "walther" <some...@texample.com> wrote in message

> >news:j8mi7l$vmv$1...@dont-email.me...
> >> What is the best way - without soldering - to connect a 3/4" rigid
> >> copper pipe  to 3/4" PVC 40?
>
> >> If there is no good way, what do I need to buy to make a solder
> >> joint?
>
> >> Thank you
>
> >> Walter--
> >>www.rationality.net
>
> the only proper way is to solder a threaded fitting on the copper pipe,then
> screw on the proper PVC adapter,and glue up your PVC pipe network to that
> adapter.
>
> you need a propane or MAPP torch,flux-core plumbing solder(no lead!!),emery
> paper to clean the solder joint areas,and maybe a heat shield if there's
> wood or a wall  close by.
>
> The folks at Home Depot or Lowes ought to be able to show you how to do
> this properly. they might even teach a class on it.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> localnet

> dot com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Why is that the only "proper" way?

Are you not a fan of SharkBites?

[j...@myplace.com]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:26:29 -0700, "walther" <som...@texample.com>
wrote:

Half a roll of duct tape should do the job for a couple weeks or so...
Just make sure the pipes are dry when you tape them together.
Be sure to secure the pipes to the floor joists or wall studs with
bungie cords.

Duct tape and bungie cords are all you will ever need to repair
everything.

[DerbyDad03]

It might also matter *where* the fitting will be located.

I too will sweat copper or glue PVC in the majority of cases, but
there have been times, such as putting a T in copper to tap in for a
PEX run way up in a joist bay, that the expense of SharkBites don't
seem so bad compared to trying to sweat copper in a cramped location
while contorted on top of step ladder in a dank, dusty basement.

[Stormin Mormon]

That's what my dentist says. Do you know him? I went to an
advanced dentist, he also uses WD-40 the lubricant.

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[Stormin Mormon]

I hope they last for many generations. I'm not sure I trust
them, enough to put in an out of the way place that's not
likely to be noticed.

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[Bill Hall]

Go to H.D. or a Plumbing Supply and have them give you a quick demo on
"Shark Bite" . Will solve your problem !

Bill
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[DD_BobK]

On Oct 31, 10:52 am, "don &/or Lucille" <donches...@nf.sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Best way would be to glue a female adapter on the pvc then you could screw
> in a copper adder and carry on or vice versa solder a female adapter on the

> copper then screw in a pvc adaper and carry on with the pvc pipe"walther" <some...@texample.com> wrote in message

>
> news:j8mi7l$vmv$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > What is the best way - without soldering - to connect a 3/4" rigid copper
> > pipe  to 3/4" PVC 40?
>
> > If there is no good way, what do I need to buy to make a solder joint?
>
> > Thank you
>
> > Walter--
> >www.rationality.net

One way is good, the other problematic....
Metal male thread & PVC female thread invites a splitting failure.

The reverse is more robust,

oops!

already posted....

plus don't used those wimpy slip to male thread PVC fittings
Use a 6" long SCH 80 3/4" threaded PVC nipple, cut it in half and
attach it to the PVC pipe with a coupling.

MUCH stronger

As others have said....SharkBites.

btw (OP) that would be copper tube not pipe.

cheers
Bob

[Harry K]

NO!!! Never use a female pipe thread PVC fitting to transition. When
you tighten it it tends to crack the fitting. I learned that the
hard way when my new well system sprang a leak in the middle of
January under 2 ft of snow cover. Always use a male PVC adapter..

Harry K

[Steve Barker]

compression FEMALE adaptor on the copper side. PVC male adaptor on the
plastic side. Screw together.


--
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remove the "not" from my address to email

[Jules Richardson]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:33:50 -0600, jw wrote:
> Duct tape and bungie cords are all you will ever need to repair
> everything.

Duct tape didn't work when my clothes dryer belt snapped the other day
and nowhere in town had a replacement. I never thought of trying a bungie
cord, though ;-)

[Steve B]

"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:26:29 -0700, "walther" <som...@texample.com>
> wrote:
>
>>What is the best way - without soldering - to connect a 3/4" rigid copper
>>pipe to 3/4" PVC 40?
>>+***
>
> SharkBite® Push-Fit Fittings
>
> A Connection System For Copper, CTS CPVC and PEX Pipe
>
> The SharkBite® fittings line presents a revolutionary solution to
> connecting water distribution pipe. Our SharkBite® Push-Fit Fittings
> are the fastest, easiest way to join copper, CTS CPVC and PEX pipe in
> any combination. With no soldering, clamps, unions or glue. The line
> includes more than 130 different fittings in a variety of sizes.
> Certified to 200 psi and 200°F (93°C).
>
> <http://sharkbite.rapidfire.com.au/usa/en/products/push-fit-products/push-fit-fittings>
>

The first time I saw Shark Bite fittings, it was like "This is a dream,
right?" High priced crap! "Oh, not to worry, full money back guarantee."

Tried it on the little test pieces they had there, and I was suspicious.
THIS WAS TOO EASY!

I had to fix 5 burst pipes under a mountain cabin, four of them in very
tight spaces. Crawl spaces. Get under there and work at arm length spaces.

When I was introduced to them by the guy at Big Orange, I was highly
skeptical. I got some, and used them, and fixed all my problems in 1/10 of
the time it would have taken. And no fire sweating fittings under a wood
cabin with leaves a foot thick all over, and in positions that would have
been difficult for a contortionist.

Plain and simple, if you haven't tried them, look at them.

Coming from a person who is highly skeptical about everything in life, they
work and are worth the money, and will make the job sooooooooooo much
simpler. Lots of places where sweating is dangerous, can't get in there,
stud's too tight, can't do this or that ..................... SHARK BITE!
Copper to pex to pvc to copper to pex, it all just fits together if the OD
is the same. It's so simple, it makes stupid people feel guilty. (Or at
least in my case.)

The repairs are going on three seasons old now, a concern I had of them,
whether or not they'd last. But even if they just last five years, I'd
happily replace with them again just for the convenience and safety aspect
of the job.

YMMV, and all that stuff ..................

Steve

[Steve B]

"N8N" <njn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If you don't have the soldering rig, a $7 Sharkbite is less than a burner, a
tank of fuel, solder, flux, and all the other stuff. A lot less.

Steve

[Steve B]

"Jim Yanik" <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote

>
> the only proper way is to solder a threaded fitting on the copper
> pipe,then
> screw on the proper PVC adapter,and glue up your PVC pipe network to that
> adapter.
>
> you need a propane or MAPP torch,flux-core plumbing solder(no
> lead!!),emery
> paper to clean the solder joint areas,and maybe a heat shield if there's
> wood or a wall close by.
>
> The folks at Home Depot or Lowes ought to be able to show you how to do
> this properly. they might even teach a class on it.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik

Huh? "Proper way"? There may be a way that is "proper", and then there is
a way that is simple, safe, effective, long lasting, cost efficient, and
labor saving. Sometimes the lesser is just as good as the "proper" way.

Give me safe, easy and long lasting.

There's a hundred ways to cook a poodle.

But it all tastes like chicken in the end, don't it?

Steve

[Steve Barker]

sharkbites don't fit pvc. they fit CPVC.

[N8N]

On Nov 2, 12:34 am, Steve Barker <ichasetra...@notgmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/1/2011 2:32 PM, Steve B wrote:
>
>
>
>
>

> > "N8N"<njna...@hotmail.com>  wrote in message

I was thinking the Sharkbite would be for the copper, to avoid the
soldering.

I didn't think about Steve B's point but it makes sense. I will have
to file that one away, although I know that I've seen FPT PVC fittings
before.

[Steve B]

"Steve Barker" <ichase...@notgmail.com> wrote

>
> sharkbites don't fit pvc. they fit CPVC.

Whatever. They sure are handy, though. As for the op, I'd get a glue on
NPT PVC, and a compression fit with a mating copper piece.

Steve

[DerbyDad03]

On Nov 1, 5:31 pm, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Oren" <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>
> news:i4kta7d9acrdpo2sk...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:26:29 -0700, "walther" <some...@texample.com>

> > wrote:
>
> >>What is the best way - without soldering - to connect a 3/4" rigid copper
> >>pipe  to 3/4" PVC 40?
> >>+***
>
> > SharkBite® Push-Fit Fittings
>
> > A Connection System For Copper, CTS CPVC and PEX Pipe
>
> > The SharkBite® fittings line presents a revolutionary solution to
> > connecting water distribution pipe. Our SharkBite® Push-Fit Fittings
> > are the fastest, easiest way to join copper, CTS CPVC and PEX pipe in
> > any combination. With no soldering, clamps, unions or glue. The line
> > includes more than 130 different fittings in a variety of sizes.
> > Certified to 200 psi and 200°F (93°C).
>

> > <http://sharkbite.rapidfire.com.au/usa/en/products/push-fit-products/p...>

>
> The first time I saw Shark Bite fittings, it was like "This is a dream,
> right?"  High priced crap!  "Oh, not to worry, full money back guarantee."
>
> Tried it on the little test pieces they had there, and I was suspicious.
> THIS WAS TOO EASY!
>
> I had to fix 5 burst pipes under a mountain cabin, four of them in very
> tight spaces.  Crawl spaces.  Get under there and work at arm length spaces.
>
> When I was introduced to them by the guy at Big Orange, I was highly
> skeptical.  I got some, and used them, and fixed all my problems in 1/10 of
> the time it would have taken.  And no fire sweating fittings under a wood
> cabin with leaves a foot thick all over, and in positions that would have
> been difficult for a contortionist.
>
> Plain and simple, if you haven't tried them, look at them.
>
> Coming from a person who is highly skeptical about everything in life, they
> work and are worth the money, and will make the job sooooooooooo much
> simpler.  Lots of places where sweating is dangerous, can't get in there,
> stud's too tight, can't do this or that ..................... SHARK BITE!
> Copper to pex to pvc to copper to pex, it all just fits together if the OD
> is the same.  It's so simple, it makes stupid people feel guilty.  (Or at
> least in my case.)
>
> The repairs are going on three seasons old now, a concern I had of them,
> whether or not they'd last.  But even if they just last five years, I'd
> happily replace with them again just for the convenience and safety aspect
> of the job.
>
> YMMV, and all that stuff ..................
>

> Steve- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

re: "Copper to pex to pvc to copper to pex, it all just fits together

if the OD is the same."

SharkBite makes "reducing fittings" so the OD does not have to be the
same.

http://www.sharkbite.com/usa/en/products/push-fit-products/push-fit-fittings

My favorite use of a SharkBite was when I turned off the water to the
house, cut out a section of pipe, slapped a SharkBite cap on the end
of the live section and turned the water back on - all before the
commercial was over and without anyone in the house knowing I had shut
off the water, including my wife who was cooking dinner in the
kitchen.

[RicodJour]

On Nov 2, 11:57 am, DerbyDad03 <teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> My favorite use of a SharkBite was when I turned off the water to the
> house, cut out a section of pipe, slapped a SharkBite cap on the end
> of the live section and turned the water back on - all before the
> commercial was over and without anyone in the house knowing I had shut
> off the water, including my wife who was cooking dinner in the
> kitchen.

Yep. That's one of my favorites. Cut and cap almost as quickly as
talking about it. They're also really useful for shunting water
temporarily while a bathroom or whatever is worked on.

R

[DerbyDad03]

I recall the time before pre-SharkBites that I was trying to sweat a
cap onto a line.

Just as the solder started to flow the cap shot off the end of the
pipe with a POP and flew across the basement, spewing the liquid
solder in its path.

I'm glad no one else was nearby...could have caused injuries.

[Steve Barker]

you owe me a keyboard. I just spewed coke all over it LMAO...

[DerbyDad03]

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>
> - Show quoted text -

I can certainly tell you that it wasn't funny at the time.

It's no fun being startled while standing on a step ladder hold a lit
torch in your hand!

[Oren]

On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:34:21 -0700, Steve Barker
<ichase...@notgmail.com> wrote:

>> If you don't have the soldering rig, a $7 Sharkbite is less than a burner, a
>> tank of fuel, solder, flux, and all the other stuff. A lot less.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>
>sharkbites don't fit pvc. they fit CPVC.
>

(teach me moment)

Are not PVC / CPVC in the same diameters, etc.? I know CPVC is for
hot water. 1/2 PVC is not the same size as 1/2 CPVC?

Thanks.

[j...@myplace.com]

A bungie should work fine for your belt, just remove the metal hooks
on the end and duct tape the ends together. Of course you need the
proper length bungie. You can measure that by taking a tail hair off
one of you your cattle or horses. or using a piece of balin twine as a
measurin device. If you aint got none of them things, but are lucky
enough to still have a dollar bill in your wallet in this poor
economy, all dollar bills are 6 inches long. Then measure to the
closest letter or number on the bill if it's an uneven divider of six.
Then you get a bungie thats a little shorter.

[Harry K]

On Nov 2, 11:52 am, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:34:21 -0700, Steve Barker
>

> <ichasetra...@notgmail.com> wrote:
> >> If you don't have the soldering rig, a $7 Sharkbite is less than a burner, a
> >> tank of fuel, solder, flux, and all the other stuff.  A lot less.
>
> >> Steve
>
> >sharkbites don't fit pvc.  they fit CPVC.
>
> (teach me moment)
>
> Are not PVC / CPVC in the same diameters, etc.?  I know CPVC is for
> hot water.  1/2 PVC is not the same size as 1/2 CPVC?
>
> Thanks.

No.CPVC is smaller outside diameter. Enough so that the fittings do
not interchange.

Harry K

[Oren]

On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:21:58 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
<turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >sharkbites don't fit pvc.  they fit CPVC.
>>
>> (teach me moment)
>>
>> Are not PVC / CPVC in the same diameters, etc.?  I know CPVC is for
>> hot water.  1/2 PVC is not the same size as 1/2 CPVC?
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>No.CPVC is smaller outside diameter. Enough so that the fittings do
>not interchange.

Thanks.

[Stormin Mormon]

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era surgeon. A very fine skill, sir.

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[Oren]

On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:34:21 -0700, Steve Barker

<ichase...@notgmail.com> wrote:

>sharkbites don't fit pvc. they fit CPVC.

Skip both and use PEX on the SB to copper.

[Stormin Mormon]

Ouch, that's not good. What could have been done better?
Vent the line some how?

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On Nov 2, 3:11 pm, Steve Barker <ichasetra...@notgmail.com>
wrote:
>

[Stormin Mormon]

Not same size.

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[Stormin Mormon]

I've heard of using womens nylon panty hose for drive belt.
But that bungee and duct tape is a new one, to me. I'll
print this out, and put in the car with the spare tire. Just
in case.

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[Congoleum Breckenridge]

PVC is sized by ID (inside diameter)
CPVC is sized by OD (outside diameter)

[Jules Richardson]

Ha ha! Funny thing was, a replacement belt was six bucks (inc.
shipping), and I found five in change kicking around inside the machine,
so it's sort of like having a warranty. ;)

Humor aside, I think an emergency duct-tape belt might actually be
possible, but only if made entirely from the stuff; a taped-together belt
tends to bend around the join when it passes by the [tiny] motor pulley,
which then loses traction and chews away at the tape. A belt made
entirely from tape wouldn't have any weak spots (but the stretch might
simply be too great for the tensioner to handle anyway).

Re. pantyhose, I've only ever heard that as an emergency car fan belt
replacement; I do remember someone trying it (back when I was maybe 6
years old) but don't recall if it actually worked. I expect it stretches
too much to be really effective, but I suppose having the fan turning a
bit would be better than nothing and could get you home (possibly with
several cool-down stops).

cheers

Jules