Programmable Thermostat w/ 2-week Schedule?
Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott
off -- I find myself wishing someone made a programmable thermostat that
could preheat the house at 5:30 am during the weekday mornings I get up
early so I can drive the kids to school; yet was polite enough to
preheat an hour later on the weeks I don't have the kids. I get to sleep
in longer those weeks. Every thermostat I've looked at so far has a
7-day program. I asked the kid at Home Depot about it and he went to ask
the manager and I've not seen him since.
--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)"
KG6RCR
William Deans
There is probably a programmable thermostat out there with a two week
setting. I don't know where to find it either. Otherwise check out
http://content.honeywell.com/yourhome/tam/tamfaq.asp "You can use any
touch-tone telephone to control the Honeywell Telephone Access Module." You
could simply set up your computer to automatically place a call to your
thermostat once per week. There might also be a computer-controlled system.
Try X-10.com and other home automation sites.
Hope this helps,
William
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
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R.Smyth
to choose one or the other. In week 1 you would use Thermostat 1 and in week
2 you would switch to Thermostat 2.
ds
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
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TURTLE
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
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This is Turtle.
I'm suppost to know this and it is late and I can't think too good here but i
think your missing something here on the 5-1-1 , 5-2 , and the 7 day
thermostats.
the 5-1-1 type will let you pick the temperatures of the week days as a hold to
set the temp. on and off at any time. Then you can pick the 2 says of the week
end and have different temps at different time.
The 5-2 the same story but you have to have the same temps for each of the 2
weekend days as set points.
The 7 day is suppose to let you pick what temp.s you want on and off any day in
the week or week end. you can turn it off on monday or set it different and on
friday set a different temp and times off and on. You can pick out any day and
do different things totally with each day. I can't think of anything you can't
do with a true 7 day thermostat.
Now Honeywell make a fair thermostat that can do just about everything you want
and more. It's a TH832U1006 Touch Screen Universal and is at this page
http://customer.honeywell.com/Honeywell/CatalogNavigator.aspx?Definition=Product&Catalog=Homes&Category=TH8321_32425&Product=TH8321U10068&ChannelID={2EB2F178-20ED-44EO-97FB-CCFB4218DD64}#ProductSpecification
this one will do nicely for you can set the temp any where you want it or time
and also set the Humitity or % RH of your home.
Now let me tell you a little secret here. Home Depot Don't sell the good stuff
for the manufactor will not sell to them for the public to send it back for
warranty when the burn it up or just can't figure out how to install it. Your
going to have to buy it throught a hvac service company or maybe a friend who
works at a hvac supply house. Lows and Home Depot just don't sell the good
stuff. Also a true 7 day or a 5-1-1 or a 5-2 should do what you want if it is
the good stuff and not a over stock item the manufactor has on hand and can't
sell enougfh of them.
TURTLE
Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott
> "Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
> <j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> wrote in message
> news:BN6dnZ9ISJ_...@adelphia.com...
>
>>As a dad who has 50% custody of his two kids -- one week on, one week off -- I
>>find myself wishing someone made a programmable thermostat that could preheat
>>the house at 5:30 am during the weekday mornings I get up early so I can drive
>>the kids to school; yet was polite enough to preheat an hour later on the
>>weeks I don't have the kids. I get to sleep in longer those weeks. Every
>>thermostat I've looked at so far has a 7-day program. I asked the kid at Home
>>Depot about it and he went to ask the manager and I've not seen him since.
>>
>>--
>>Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
>>71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
>>84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)"
>>KG6RCR
>
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> I'm suppost to know this and it is late and I can't think too good here but i
> think your missing something here on the 5-1-1 , 5-2 , and the 7 day
> thermostats.
>
Maybe I am missing something. Here's the goal:
WEEK 1 Program: M-F heat house by 6 am. Weekend, do nothing.
WEEK 2 Program: M-F heat house by 7:30 am. Weekend, do nothing.
Then alternate Week 1 and Week 2 programs.
I could take a 5/2 or 7-day thermo and change the programming every
weekend, I reckon, but was hoping for a 5/2/5/2 or 14-day programmable.
Thanks for the tip Lowe's/HD re finding the good thermostats. I've
always figured that neither of these big box retail giants sell the best
brands or models of anything.
--
willshak
fingers to keys, and typed the following:
They do sell the best brands of many things, it's just that the
'associates' are not familiar with the products.
Unless there is a thermostat that can handle both weeks, perhaps with a
memory chip that can be accessed to change from one weekly schedule to
another, your best bet would be as someone else suggested, two
thermostats side by side and connected to each other in parallel. One
for one week and the other for the next week. Just turn off the one you
don't want for that particular week.
Greg O
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
<j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> wrote in message
> > >
>
> Maybe I am missing something. Here's the goal:
>
> WEEK 1 Program: M-F heat house by 6 am. Weekend, do nothing.
> WEEK 2 Program: M-F heat house by 7:30 am. Weekend, do nothing.
> Then alternate Week 1 and Week 2 programs.
>
>
program all the time.
Greg
Zypher
program 30 days (calendar type). If you do find one, it'll be expensive.
I've seen calendar timers [electronic] that can program events, but they're
either on or off. Not temperature setback.
--
Zyp
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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott
Heat the house for an hour and a half extra in the morning? Easy for
/you/ to say! I am a light sleeper and easily woken up in the morning --
something I wish didn't happen. I envy folks who can slumber on and on
in the morning, undisturbed by helicopters and cannon fire. Unlike me -
the sound of the furnace firing up wakes me, AND a house warm enough for
wandering around in, wearing pajamas is too warm (to me) for sleeping.
Greg O
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
<j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> wrote in message
Ok! I did not see a problem as our family's schedule changes daily, but the
stat stays the same in regards to the program. Your best bet maybe to wire
in two thermostats, and enable/disable them with a switch.
Greg
Gary
time every week. The DST button shifts the whole schedule by an hour.
Of course, then it will show the wrong time half of the time, and you
will have to reset the clock rather than use the DST button when the DST
shift really comes. This still isn't automatic, but might get you
closer to what you want. Not a very good solution, but I think you'll
have a hard time finding a 2 week thermostat.
Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott
I like the way you think. With my vision and your evil genius, we could
take over the world!
--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)"
KG6RCR
------------------------------------
Today's Deep Thought:
Can I trade this job for what's behind door #2?
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meirman
Squirrel Elliott"
<j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> posted:
>As a dad who has 50% custody of his two kids -- one week on, one week
>off -- I find myself wishing someone made a programmable thermostat that
>could preheat the house at 5:30 am during the weekday mornings I get up
>early so I can drive the kids to school; yet was polite enough to
>preheat an hour later on the weeks I don't have the kids. I get to sleep
>in longer those weeks. Every thermostat I've looked at so far has a
>7-day program. I asked the kid at Home Depot about it and he went to ask
>the manager and I've not seen him since.
Buy a second thermostat and a double throw multi?-pole switch so you
can switch from one to the other easily.
Don't disconnect the positive or ground when you do the switching, so
that the clock will stay accurate (and it won't run down the back-up
battery, iiuc).
Maybe you only have to switch one or two wires, the one(s) that
actually tell the furnace and AC when to turn on and off.
I have a different but related question. Twenty years ago, when I
first looked for a setback thermostat, I think I found one with a NEXT
button. But now I can't find one. Does anyone know a make and model
like what I want:
That would solve everything for me. I'd set it for one good temp for
when I was sleeping or away, and one good temp for when I was home and
awake. If I came home earlier than normal, I'd push NEXT and it would
go to the "next" temperature in the cycle. It would go early, and it
would stay there until the end time of the next stage. (The end of
the current stage (when I got home) would have no effect because when
I pressed NEXT, I moved it to the Next stage. If I went to bed early
or got up early, I'd do the same thing. It wouldn't affect the timing
for the rest of the day, I wouldn't have to adjust temperatures one
degree at a time, and I wouldn't have to remember what to do when.
Meirman
If emailing, please let me know whether
or not you are posting the same letter.
Change domain to erols.com, if necessary.
meirman
Squirrel Elliott"
<j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> posted:
>On 12/11/2004 10:10 AM Greg O wrote:
>
>> "Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
>> <j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> wrote in message
>> news:GIidneAb1-i...@adelphia.com...
>>
>>>Maybe I am missing something. Here's the goal:
>>>
>>>WEEK 1 Program: M-F heat house by 6 am. Weekend, do nothing.
>>>WEEK 2 Program: M-F heat house by 7:30 am. Weekend, do nothing.
>>>Then alternate Week 1 and Week 2 programs.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't see enough differance to bother with it. Just run your week 1
>> program all the time.
>> Greg
>>
>
>Heat the house for an hour and a half extra in the morning? Easy for
>/you/ to say! I am a light sleeper and easily woken up in the morning --
I agree with you. You wouldn't have asked the question in the first
place if you were satisfied with one set of times.
>something I wish didn't happen. I envy folks who can slumber on and on
>in the morning, undisturbed by helicopters and cannon fire. Unlike me -
>the sound of the furnace firing up wakes me, AND a house warm enough for
>wandering around in, wearing pajamas is too warm (to me) for sleeping.
But I still want to comment on this. One of the reasons we are the
mercy of OPEC and other oil producing countries is that most of us
these days are willing to heat the house to where it is comfortable
just wearing pajamas. Why in the movies from the 50's and before, and
maybe after, do the characters put their robe on as soon as they get
up. It's not just modesty, especially when they are the only one who
is living there. It's because it was normal to wear a robe to keep
warm.
It was normal, in the winter, for people, when they weren't wearing
pajamas and robes, to wear sweaters in their homes over their shirts.
That way the thermostat could easily be kept at 68, and even lower.
And it's not just the oil crisis and the way this dominates our
foreigh policy (in the USA). It's that so many people, not
necessarily you or anyone here, talk about how hard it is to make ends
meet these days when many of them are spending much more money on
things people lived without 50, 40, 30, and even 20 years ago.
There are more broadcast TV stations than ever but I met someone a
couple weeks ago who hasn't been able to pay all her bills but is
still paying 75 dollars a month for cable. That's 900 dollars a year.
And my friend tells me most people pay a lot more. Etc. Blah, blah,
blah.
>
>--
meirman
Squirrel Elliott"
<j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> posted:
>On 12/11/2004 2:51 PM Gary wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok! I did not see a problem as our family's schedule changes daily,
>>> but the
>>> stat stays the same in regards to the program. Your best bet maybe to
>>> wire
>>> in two thermostats, and enable/disable them with a switch.
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>> You could also switch your thermostat into and out of daylight savings
>> time every week. The DST button shifts the whole schedule by an hour.
>> Of course, then it will show the wrong time half of the time, and you
>> will have to reset the clock rather than use the DST button when the DST
>> shift really comes. This still isn't automatic, but might get you
>> closer to what you want. Not a very good solution, but I think you'll
>> have a hard time finding a 2 week thermostat.
>
>I like the way you think. With my vision and your evil genius, we could
>take over the world!
You guys could get the whole world on dodecatuple daylight savings
time, and then they'd all be sleeping in the day time. We could just
walk into stores and take anything we need.
Edwin Pawlowski
"meirman" <mei...@invalid.com> wrote in message
>
> It was normal, in the winter, for people, when they weren't wearing
> pajamas and robes, to wear sweaters in their homes over their shirts.
>
Pajamas? Use to have some when I lived with my parents. Have not had a par
for the past 38 years.
I do keep the t-stat at 68 though and lower at night.
TURTLE
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
<j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> wrote in message
This is Turtle.
After listening to Gary , Zepher, Grego, and others here about the two
thermostat set up. I used a Robert Shaw electronic 365 day clock timer that will
turn one thing off and turn on another one on. then vise versa. You can program
it for the whole year and even made changes during holiday time and then go back
to setting of the switching system. You could use this clock to switch between
the 2 programiable thermostats like the 5/2 or 7 day type and set each
thermostat for that weeks activity. Now your looking at about $300.00+ for the
clock and two thermostats. I think the clocks run about $150+ .
There is something wrong here for I'm thinking of the feed back through the
other dead thermostat when it tring to close connection for it to run with the
24 volt voltage also. The 24 volts will try to back up through the off themostat
unless he could turn it off when the other one was the master.
TURTLE
Paul Franklin
<j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> wrote:
<snip>
>
>> "Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
>> <j.michael...@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSadelphiaDOT.net> wrote in message
>> news:BN6dnZ9ISJ_...@adelphia.com...
>>
>>>As a dad who has 50% custody of his two kids -- one week on, one week off -- I
>>>find myself wishing someone made a programmable thermostat that could preheat
>>>the house at 5:30 am during the weekday mornings I get up early so I can drive
>>>the kids to school; yet was polite enough to preheat an hour later on the
>>>weeks I don't have the kids. I get to sleep in longer those weeks. Every
>>>thermostat I've looked at so far has a 7-day program. I asked the kid at Home
>>>Depot about it and he went to ask the manager and I've not seen him since.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
>>>71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
>>>84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)"
>>>KG6RCR
>>
>--
<snip>
Take a look at the home automation stuff, like X10 variants and the
like. I think the timing controllers are more flexible than the
typical 'stat, and I'll bet they make a control module that replaces
the 'stat. Might be too expensive for you, but worth a look.
One source is: http://www.smarthome.com/
HTH,
Paul
Greg O
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>
> There is something wrong here for I'm thinking of the feed back through
the
> other dead thermostat when it tring to close connection for it to run with
the
> 24 volt voltage also. The 24 volts will try to back up through the off
themostat
> unless he could turn it off when the other one was the master.
>
> TURTLE
>
>
With using two stats, depending on the stat you may get by switching the red
only. If that fails a mutiple pole double pole switch would not be hard to
find. Typical home stat you would only need to switch the Y, G, and W wires.
Heat pump is probably out of the question!
Two stats would probably be the simple cheap way to go, depending on his
system.
If money is no object, well then that is another story! Endless options in
controls, at least untill the money runs out!
Greg
Ray Heindl
> Heat the house for an hour and a half extra in the morning? Easy
> for /you/ to say! I am a light sleeper and easily woken up in the
> morning -- something I wish didn't happen. I envy folks who can
> slumber on and on in the morning, undisturbed by helicopters and
> cannon fire. Unlike me - the sound of the furnace firing up wakes
> me, AND a house warm enough for wandering around in, wearing
> pajamas is too warm (to me) for sleeping.
This refers to "2 week programmes", though I'm not sure what it means.
Might be worth a look, anyway:
<http://www.aquatherm.co.nz/content/docs/Underfloor_Heating.pdf>
--
Ray Heindl
(remove the Xs to reply to: xvortr...@yaxhoo.com)
William Coney
a removable body. Program the two bodies differently and plug in the one for
the week you want.
For example, I have a Honeywell Chronotherm. I can detach the body "for ease
of programming" as it says in the manual.
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott"
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JM518
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JM518
angelica...@yahoo.com
> A 14 day thermostat has at least 70% of the population market.
Thanks,
Cindy Hamilton
trader_4
"a 14 day thermostat which has a larger market than a 7 day thermostats"
were the same price.
Ralph Mowery
tra...@optonline.net says...
> And this too:
>
> "a 14 day thermostat which has a larger market than a 7 day thermostats"
>
> It's not at all clear to me that you would sell more 14 day ones, even if they
> were the same price.
>
>
a whold month and peobably not cost any more to make.
In this area there were a couple of places that did work rotating shifts
of 2 weeks of days and 2 weeks of nights with 12 hour shifts so it would
take a whole month to cover those people.
The wife and I never cared to do any automatc thermostats but just cut
the temperature up and down for night and day, every day/night . Takes
about 2 seconds to make the change as we walk by.
trader_4
so it's selectable, 1,2,3,4 weeks, it shouldn't cost more to make and they
could charge more. But I doubt that the market is larger for those than
the one week ones. Even if they were the same price, I would think a lot
of people might be confused by it, think it's more complicated to set up,
etc. I wonder what the market is for 7 day ones versus the more basic
5/2 day type.
micky
>On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 11:19:16 AM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>> In article <e2c9f2ba-19c7-4f9c...@googlegroups.com>,
>> tra...@optonline.net says...
>> >
>> > And this too:
>> >
>> > "a 14 day thermostat which has a larger market than a 7 day thermostats"
>> >
>> > It's not at all clear to me that you would sell more 14 day ones, even if they
>> > were the same price.
>> >
>> >
>> Looks to me like they would make a 30 day thermostats. That would cover
>> a whold month and peobably not cost any more to make.
>>
>> In this area there were a couple of places that did work rotating shifts
>> of 2 weeks of days and 2 weeks of nights with 12 hour shifts so it would
>> take a whole month to cover those people.
>>
>> The wife and I never cared to do any automatc thermostats but just cut
>> the temperature up and down for night and day, every day/night . Takes
>> about 2 seconds to make the change as we walk by.
Seems so obvious and so much easier than having to push + 4 times to go
up 4 degrees, and down (-) 4 times to go down. Insted, there would be
home periods and away periods, awake and asleep periods, and if you got
home early and were cold, you'd push Next and it would go to the temp
you planned to use when you got home. If you went to sleep early,
Next. If it didn't know about New Years Day and you got up so late the
warm period was over and it was back to Away, pressing Next would set it
for 5:30PM when you normally got home. But the timer wouldn't take it
out of that period until bedtime that night.
If you went to work on a weekend day, press Next before you left for
work and it's in your sleep period, which is about the same temp as your
away. If you stay home on a work day, press Next and it goes to 5:30PM
when you wold be home.
So simple to build and to use but I've looked and looked and never seen
one.
Even though I'm retired I would still be using a setback for awake and
asleep but I'm too inconsitent. Cant' sleep, stay up late, sleep late.
>Yes, I was thinking that too, why stop at 2 weeks. They could make it
>so it's selectable, 1,2,3,4 weeks, it shouldn't cost more to make and they
>could charge more. But I doubt that the market is larger for those than
>the one week ones. Even if they were the same price, I would think a lot
>of people might be confused by it, think it's more complicated to set up,
>etc. I wonder what the market is for 7 day ones versus the more basic
>5/2 day type.
week.
Don't they have X2 controls for thermostats that are set up on the PC
with any schedule one wants, even non-repeating? Too complicated for
me, Time consuming to set it up at least the first time. More expensive
because of X2 wifi thermostat and maybe you need to keep the computer
running all the time?????? Electricity, harddrive wear?
"Airports, hospitals, factory workers" may all have some people working
on 2-week schedules, but not all. They have a wide range of jobs,
including plenty who ae 9-5, M-F.
My seback thermostat was an early one, 1983, and it has a digital timer
but uses a mechanical slide control to adjust the two possible
temperatures, iirc. So it's easy enough just to move the slide control.
Thomas
Dean Hoffman
micky
JM518
angelica...@yahoo.com
> Just look at divorce rate. Over 50% of all marriages will eventually go to divorce.
> A 14 day thermostat has at least 70% of the population market.
Bob F
angelica...@yahoo.com
Cindy Hamilton
TimR
>
> of 2 weeks of days and 2 weeks of nights with 12 hour shifts so it would
> take a whole month to cover those people.
>
Younger folk didn't like it because they wanted to party on the weekend, but for most of us we could do dentist visit, car repair, shopping, etc., during the week on our day off instead of having to use vacation or sick time.
I worked one ward where the schedule had us working one weekend a month, but we worked two shifts Saturday and Sunday and got four days off during the next week. I liked that but the bosses didn't.
angelica...@yahoo.com
was a tool and die maker for Fisher Body. My mother an office manager.
Cindy Hamilton
Ed Pawlowski
The airplane was not invented yet.
JM518
trader_4
The rest I agree with.
Ralph Mowery
tra...@optonline.net says...
sells for about $ 3 from China that was designed for small projects by
students and hobbyists. It has plenty of processing power and memory to
do several settings every day for a month. It is about the same
processing power of the old Radio Shack computers that came out years
ago. ONly it is on a PC board about the size of a stick of gum.
One of the many training projects is similar to the thermostat is a
program to turn the water on and off for a sprinkler system.
Bob F
> Listen what kind of memory does it take to have 4 memory points for 7
> days, vs 4 memory points for 14 days? Could a company even purchase a
> memory that only has enough storage for 7 days, the answers is no. So
> cost of manufacturing a thermostat with a choice between 7 day or 14 day
> is the same, as the memory industry simply stopped producing the
> inferior chips originally installed onto first generation thermostat
> years ago. So lets see cost and actual design is the same. The only
> disfference is a small code that lets you choose between 7 day and 14
> day. You could even set up A and B schedule as well. Their is no actual
> cost increase in selling a 14 day universal thermostat, as you well know
> the memory modules that only have bits of storage are no longer produces
> at all, the ones that only have kilobits of storage are no longer
> produces. The ones that only store megabits are no longer produces
> anymore. They are using gigabytes storage now. The only reason they
> don't sell all with a possibility of 7, 14, or even an A,B,C,D schedule
> is just simple lazyness.
>
micky
Every 10,000 miles.
He can't find a job, however.
Ed Pawlowski
> In article <d02e4f92-f882-41b7...@googlegroups.com>,
> tra...@optonline.net says...
>>
>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-4, JM518 wrote:
>>> Listen what kind of memory does it take to have 4 memory points for 7 days, vs 4 memory points for 14 days? Could a company even purchase a memory that only has enough storage for 7 days, the answers is no. So cost of manufacturing a thermostat with a choice between 7 day or 14 day is the same, as the memory industry simply
> stopped producing the inferior chips originally installed onto first generation thermostat years ago. So lets see cost and actual design is the same. The only disfference is a small code that lets you choose between 7 day and 14 day. You could even set up A and B schedule as well. Their is no actual cost increase in selling a 14
> day universal thermostat, as you well know the memory modules that only have bits of storage are no longer produces at all, the ones that only have kilobits of storage are no longer produces. The ones that only store megabits are no longer produces anymore. They are using gigabytes storage now. The only reason they don't sell all
> with a possibility of 7, 14, or even an A,B,C,D schedule is just simple lazyness.
flashing on the VCR because they could not program it?
The vast majority of us work on a 7 day schedule. Giving the option for
more would confuse a lot of people, more than would benefit from it.
Can you see the reviews? I bought a new XYZ thermostat but it is too
hard to program and very confusing.
Before this thread, how many times have you heard of people needing a 14
day program? First time for me.
Ralph Mowery
> The vast majority of us work on a 7 day schedule. Giving the option for
> more would confuse a lot of people, more than would benefit from it.
> Can you see the reviews? I bought a new XYZ thermostat but it is too
> hard to program and very confusing.
>
> Before this thread, how many times have you heard of people needing a 14
> day program? First time for me.
>
>
day program.
If one can not program a 30 day one, doubtful they could even program a
one day one.
Scott Lurndal
>On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-4, JM518 wrote:
>s, vs 4 memory points for 14 days? Could a company even purchase a memory t=
>hat only has enough storage for 7 days, the answers is no. So cost of manuf=
>acturing a thermostat with a choice between 7 day or 14 day is the same, as=
> the memory industry simply stopped producing the inferior chips originally=
> installed onto first generation thermostat years ago. So lets see cost and=
> actual design is the same. The only disfference is a small code that lets =
>you choose between 7 day and 14 day. You could even set up A and B schedule=
> as well. Their is no actual cost increase in selling a 14 day universal th=
>ermostat, as you well know the memory modules that only have bits of storag=
>e are no longer produces at all, the ones that only have kilobits of storag=
>e are no longer produces. The ones that only store megabits are no longer p=
>roduces anymore. They are using gigabytes storage now. The only reason they=
> don't sell all with a possibility of 7, 14, or even an A,B,C,D schedule is=
> just simple lazyness.
>> --=20
>> For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/program=
>mable-thermostat-w-2-week-schedule-574976-.htm
>
>Gigabyte flash memory chips in a basic programmable thermostat? I don't th=
>ink so.
Responding to rants from Home Moaners Hub again. Sigh.
Thermostats don't use flash, there is no need for that much
memory. There are very small non-volatile rams built in to
the embedded microprocessor chips that are used for those applications
that store perhaps 512 bytes.
Cost vs. benefit. For the five people in the world that a 7-day
schedule won't suit, they're not about to place a memory chip that costs
10x the simple low-power embedded processor chip in volume.
Scott Lurndal
>In article <d02e4f92-f882-41b7...@googlegroups.com>,
>tra...@optonline.net says...
>>
>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-4, JM518 wrote:
>> > Listen what kind of memory does it take to have 4 memory points for 7 days, vs 4 memory points for 14 days? Could a company even purchase a memory that only has enough storage for 7 days, the answers is no. So cost of manufacturing a thermostat with a choice between 7 day or 14 day is the same, as the memory industry simply
>stopped producing the inferior chips originally installed onto first generation thermostat years ago. So lets see cost and actual design is the same. The only disfference is a small code that lets you choose between 7 day and 14 day. You could even set up A and B schedule as well. Their is no actual cost increase in selling a 14
>day universal thermostat, as you well know the memory modules that only have bits of storage are no longer produces at all, the ones that only have kilobits of storage are no longer produces. The ones that only store megabits are no longer produces anymore. They are using gigabytes storage now. The only reason they don't sell all
>with a possibility of 7, 14, or even an A,B,C,D schedule is just simple lazyness.
>> > --
>> > For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/programmable-thermostat-w-2-week-schedule-574976-.htm
>>
>> Gigabyte flash memory chips in a basic programmable thermostat? I don't think so.
>> The rest I agree with.
>>
>>
>
>Yes, not gigabytes, but there is a microprocessor called an Arduino that
>sells for about $ 3 from China that was designed for small projects by
>students and hobbyists.
takes up much less PCB space, requires significantly less programming and
doesn't require production on an advanced node (e.g. 180nm is sufficient, no
need for a 3nm fab).
Ed Pawlowski
Yes, you are right, many cannot program a 1 day one.
angelica...@yahoo.com
> In article <KBZcJ.3075$k35...@fx33.iad>, e...@snet.xxx says...
> >
> > The vast majority of us work on a 7 day schedule. Giving the option for
> > more would confuse a lot of people, more than would benefit from it.
> > Can you see the reviews? I bought a new XYZ thermostat but it is too
> > hard to program and very confusing.
> >
> > Before this thread, how many times have you heard of people needing a 14
> > day program? First time for me.
> >
> >
> Where I worked I could tell you of about 1500 people that could use a 30
> day program.
randomly selected, so any conclusions drawn from it are... limited, at best.
Cindy Hamilton
trader_4
be bigger for the two week model. I would think a whole lot of people would see
two week programming and view it as more complicated, something they don't
need and harder to program. Not that it's really true that it's harder to program,
could be just one step where you have a choice of one week or two week
schedule. But seeing it on the box, I bet a lot of people would say it's not for
me, even if it was the same price. Would be interesting though for a manufacturer
to offer it in a model and see what happens. I would make it one, two, three or
four week programmable at that point.
trader_4
microcontrollers using flash that have only 100KB or less of
flash memory. that can be used for code and non-volatile data.
>
> Cost vs. benefit. For the five people in the world that a 7-day
> schedule won't suit, they're not about to place a memory chip that costs
> 10x the simple low-power embedded processor chip in volume.
available today, They might not even need to change the hardware,
there could be enough memory to store another week already there,
unused. And even if not, it's pennies more.