powering a 12v 1HP winch
Jim Elbrecht
basement. So now I need to power it.
It is a one horse motor- 2000lb capacity.
http://www.amazon.com/Superwinch-1140200-ATV-2000-Winch/dp/B0015D4ZH0
I'll be using it to pull a [roughly] 300pound load up a wheeled
incline for 20 feet--- then it will rest for 30 minutes or so-- then
repeat. Probably not more than 3 times. . . then do it again
tomorrow.
So I won't be working the thing real hard. What are some thoughts
on how to power it.
I've thought of a marine battery- and trickle charge overnight. I
have the charger. Would have to buy the battery.
I've thought of a transformer. Have no idea what size or what they
cost.
I've got an old riding mower with a bad transmission. Seems like
overkill, but it has a good 8hp motor on it, and charges the little
battery - so I think I could just run it off that battery when the
motor is running.
Or I could pull the Impala around to the side of the house and tap
into that 12v system.
What sounds like a feasible plan?
Thanks,
Jim
AZ Nomad
>I picked up a winch that I'll be using to pull dirt out of my
>basement. So now I need to power it.
>It is a one horse motor- 2000lb capacity.
>http://www.amazon.com/Superwinch-1140200-ATV-2000-Winch/dp/B0015D4ZH0
>I'll be using it to pull a [roughly] 300pound load up a wheeled
>incline for 20 feet--- then it will rest for 30 minutes or so-- then
>repeat. Probably not more than 3 times. . . then do it again
>tomorrow.
>So I won't be working the thing real hard. What are some thoughts
>on how to power it.
Expect to pay $70-$140 for a battery charger and another $30 for a
battery unless you've already got them laying about. Plus ramp and
bucket.
It would probably make more sense to get day labor instead of riging
up the contraption.
Eric in North TX
> I picked up a winch that I'll be using to pull dirt out of my
> basement. So now I need to power it.
>
>
> I'll be using it to pull a [roughly] 300pound load up a wheeled
> incline for 20 feet--- then it will rest for 30 minutes or so-- then
> repeat. Probably not more than 3 times. . . then do it again
> tomorrow.
>
> So I won't be working the thing real hard. What are some thoughts
> on how to power it.
>
> I've thought of a marine battery- and trickle charge overnight. I
> have the charger. Would have to buy the battery.
>
> I've thought of a transformer. Have no idea what size or what they
> cost.
>
> I've got an old riding mower with a bad transmission. Seems like
> overkill, but it has a good 8hp motor on it, and charges the little
> battery - so I think I could just run it off that battery when the
> motor is running.
>
> Or I could pull the Impala around to the side of the house and tap
> into that 12v system.
>
> What sounds like a feasible plan?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
I don't see why the lawnmower idea wouldn't work. It has the advantage
of already being there & if an ATV is expected to support it, a riding
lawnmower should. You should only need to run the engine while pulling
and maybe a little before or after to have a bit of reserve. If I had
to risk a charging system, a mower with a bad trans would be a better
target than the Impala.
tn...@mucks.net
wrote:
>I picked up a winch that I'll be using to pull dirt out of my
>basement. So now I need to power it.
>
>It is a one horse motor- 2000lb capacity.
>http://www.amazon.com/Superwinch-1140200-ATV-2000-Winch/dp/B0015D4ZH0
>
>I'll be using it to pull a [roughly] 300pound load up a wheeled
>incline for 20 feet--- then it will rest for 30 minutes or so-- then
>repeat. Probably not more than 3 times. . . then do it again
>tomorrow.
>
>So I won't be working the thing real hard. What are some thoughts
>on how to power it.
>
>I've thought of a marine battery- and trickle charge overnight. I
>have the charger. Would have to buy the battery.
The battery is not cheap
>I've thought of a transformer. Have no idea what size or what they
>cost.
Transformers are not 12vdc
>I've got an old riding mower with a bad transmission. Seems like
>overkill, but it has a good 8hp motor on it, and charges the little
>battery - so I think I could just run it off that battery when the
>motor is running.
Not powerful enough for a 1hp winch
>Or I could pull the Impala around to the side of the house and tap
>into that 12v system.
>
>What sounds like a feasible plan?
The Impala sounds best. A 1hp winch motor is not 100% efficient.
You may draw more than 100 amps.
dpb
...
> I've got an old riding mower with a bad transmission. Seems like
> overkill, but it has a good 8hp motor on it, and charges the little
> battery - so I think I could just run it off that battery when the
> motor is running.
>
> Or I could pull the Impala around to the side of the house and tap
> into that 12v system.
>
> What sounds like a feasible plan?
1HP @ 12VDC --> 60+ A
Try the mower battery and see but you'll need a good set of cables.
Don't recall what those little 1U batteries are typically rated for...
--
JIMMIE
>
> - Show quoted text -
An electic winch wouldnt have been my first choice. I am guessing
300lbs of dirt + 100 lbs for the container up a 45 degree slope would
equal about 200 lbs load on the winch. A good block and tackle, chain
hoist or come-along would let you do this by hand. Since you got the
winch I dont think there is going to be much of a load on it.
Jimmie
mm
wrote:
>I picked up a winch that I'll be using to pull dirt out of my
>basement. So now I need to power it.
>
>It is a one horse motor- 2000lb capacity.
>http://www.amazon.com/Superwinch-1140200-ATV-2000-Winch/dp/B0015D4ZH0
>
>I'll be using it to pull a [roughly] 300pound load up a wheeled
>incline for 20 feet--- then it will rest for 30 minutes or so-- then
>repeat. Probably not more than 3 times. . . then do it again
>tomorrow.
>
>So I won't be working the thing real hard. What are some thoughts
>on how to power it.
>
>I've thought of a marine battery- and trickle charge overnight. I
>have the charger. Would have to buy the battery.
I have a one amp charger (got it free from my cousin in 1965) and
prefer to use it, better for the battery. I"m not sure that is the
same as a trickle charger. I have a vague recollection that trickle
chargers are said to be good for keeping something charged but take
forever to charge something up.
But I'm lazier in my old age, and usually use my 10 amp charger to
charge my battery enough for the car to start.**
In your situation, I might want or 3 to 4 amp charger instead.
In a cursory search, Amazon has a B&D 6/4/2 amp charger for 30 dollars
shipping included that should be plenty good for this and almost any
other need you'll have. I can't imagine spending 70 to 140.
>
>I've thought of a transformer. Have no idea what size or what they
>cost.
>
>I've got an old riding mower with a bad transmission. Seems like
I know you have the winch already, but any chance the lawnmower could
pull the load up by itself? Wrapping a rope around a pully, or just
driving away from the basement?
>overkill, but it has a good 8hp motor on it, and charges the little
>battery - so I think I could just run it off that battery when the
>motor is running.
You could do that too.
** (I found the 10 amp charger on a sidewalk in Brooklyn. The
selenium diodes were not working. I spend a lot of time looking for
big seleneium diodes but couldn't find any, even in NYC and the 4
other boroughs. Put the thing aside, and five years later, it worked
fine. Worked for 20 years, then the selenium diodes didn't work
anymore. I used a bunch of 1 or 2 amp top hat diodes and it works fine
again. It's got to be 40 years old at least.
>Or I could pull the Impala around to the side of the house and tap
>into that 12v system.
Or you could tie the rope to the Impala and pull the dirt up with
that?
Stormin Mormon
You could do that off a car battery for short periods, if
you had a running car and jumper cables to bring the power
back up. Use VERY short electrical connections between the
winch and battery 2-0 wire or 4-0 is called for.
--
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"AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon
a car battery. Use jumper cables off the car or tractor to
keep the car battery charged.
Plan B is to use a longer rope, and use the vehicle to pull
the load up the ramp. Long, long rope. Might make more sense
than winching up the ramp.
--
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>
mm
wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:57:03 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <elbr...@email.com>
>wrote:
>>Or I could pull the Impala around to the side of the house and tap
>>into that 12v system.
BTW, not all battery cables are created equal. This has been a
problem for the United States of Battery Cables, but fortunately
that's just two guys and a warehouse.
I don't know what it takes to carry 60 amps, 8 gauge?
>Or you could tie the rope to the Impala and pull the dirt up with
>that?
I hadn't considered how much current a 1HP winch needs, according to
other posters. Do the guys with winches on their trucks leave their
engine running when using the winch?
Anyhow, maybe I can make one of my suggestions better. If the Impala
is your car then when you're doing this, you have no other use for the
car. Meaasure the rope, the distance X from the loaded hopper to
where you want the hopper to come to rest. Put a 6 foot stake in the
ground where you have the car at the beginning and another stake X
feet ahead of that, where you want to stop the car. Or use a helper
for that part. :)
Make sure the rope or cable doesn't snap and hit the helper in the
eyes, but then again, you would have had to do that with the winch
too.
JIMMIE
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 1 HP is 746 wattts. At 11 volts (under load) that's 68 amps.
> You could do that off a car battery for short periods, if
> you had a running car and jumper cables to bring the power
> back up. Use VERY short electrical connections between the
> winch and battery 2-0 wire or 4-0 is called for.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
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> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:57:03 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
>
>
>
> <elbre...@email.com> wrote:
> >I picked up a winch that I'll be using to pull dirt out of
> >my
> >basement. So now I need to power it.
> >It is a one horse motor- 2000lb capacity.
> >http://www.amazon.com/Superwinch-1140200-ATV-2000-Winch/dp/B0015D4ZH0
> >I'll be using it to pull a [roughly] 300pound load up a
> >wheeled
> >incline for 20 feet--- then it will rest for 30 minutes
> >or so-- then
> >repeat. Probably not more than 3 times. . . then do it
> >again
> >tomorrow.
> >So I won't be working the thing real hard. What are
> >some thoughts
>
> - Show quoted text -
The load he is actually going to put on it requires more like 1/10 of
a hp. More in the neighborhood of 10 amps or less.
sa...@dog.com
wrote:
For what you are going to do, a simple hand operated come-along would
make a lot more sense.
Either that, or pull the load directly with the Impala.
dpb
...
> For what you are going to do, a simple hand operated come-along would
> make a lot more sense.
Yeah, or a block and tackle would be faster...but what's the fun in that???
>
> Either that, or pull the load directly with the Impala.
:)
--
Jim Elbrecht
<azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:57:03 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <elbr...@email.com> wrote:
>>I picked up a winch that I'll be using to pull dirt out of my
>>basement. So now I need to power it.
>
>>It is a one horse motor- 2000lb capacity.
>>http://www.amazon.com/Superwinch-1140200-ATV-2000-Winch/dp/B0015D4ZH0
>
>>I'll be using it to pull a [roughly] 300pound load up a wheeled
>>incline for 20 feet--- then it will rest for 30 minutes or so-- then
>>repeat. Probably not more than 3 times. . . then do it again
>>tomorrow.
>
>>So I won't be working the thing real hard. What are some thoughts
>>on how to power it.
>
>Expect to pay $70-$140 for a battery charger and another $30 for a
>battery unless you've already got them laying about.
I've got the charger- but I was thinking >$100 for the deep cycle
battery.
> Plus ramp and bucket.
Got the ramp- two 10foot sections of skate-wheel conveyor. . . . the
'bucket' will be a box low enough to go through a cellar window. Scrap
materials and 1 hr construction time.
>
>It would probably make more sense to get day labor instead of riging
>up the contraption.
Where would be the fun in that? <g> I hire a guy to work on my car.
Other than that, I've hired an electrician in 1974, a crew to erect a
pool in 1992, and a mason to lay some blocks in 1998 or so. The
electrician replaced a fuse for me [and taught me a valuable lesson],
the other two made life easier, but I wasn't as happy with their work
as I am with my own.
I work alone and slow. The plans evolve as I go. I enjoy it. I
learn and keep [more or less] in shape. It is cheaper than hiring a
therapist and a personal trainer. And sometimes I even get something
accomplished.
Jim
bob haller
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:24:57 -0500, AZ Nomad
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
a 120 volt to 12 volt transformer with a 100 amp diode.
used car batteries can be found sometimes for free.
yeah dont be a couch potato, leads to poor health and early death
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>An electic winch wouldnt have been my first choice. I am guessing
>300lbs of dirt + 100 lbs for the container up a 45 degree slope would
>equal about 200 lbs load on the winch. A good block and tackle, chain
>hoist or come-along would let you do this by hand. Since you got the
>winch I dont think there is going to be much of a load on it.
>
10 yrs ago I would have done the block and tackle thing. If I did
that now I'd probably only be able to do one load a day. I
think I should be able to do 3-4 if I can rest while the winch is
working. Still a nice slow job-- but my heart appreciates frequent
rests.
Also- for those who suggest using a vehicle to pull it up--- I work
alone and prefer to watch the load as it is moving. The winch
gives me full control while watching what is happening.
Jim
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>I fried a regular car battery running a boat winch. I was pulling logs
>out of the woods with it and blew a cell open in the battery.
>Fortunately it was a Wal-Mart battery and they just swapped it out for
>me.
2 notes-- get a decent sized battery and buy it where I can return it
easily.
Thanks-
Jim
mm
wrote:
>
>Where would be the fun in that? <g> I hire a guy to work on my car.
>Other than that, I've hired an electrician in 1974, a crew to erect a
>pool in 1992, and a mason to lay some blocks in 1998 or so. The
>electrician replaced a fuse for me [and taught me a valuable lesson],
My mother hired an electrician in 1956, and he too replaced a fuse. I
was 9. I learned a big lesson that day too, but I still seem to
(still) regret that she spend the money. All the guy did was unplug
everything, replace the fuse, then plug everything back in until the
fuse blew. Either my mother or I should have thought of that. (I
don't think I knew about the problem in advance>)
>the other two made life easier, but I wasn't as happy with their work
>as I am with my own.
>
>I work alone and slow. The plans evolve as I go. I enjoy it. I
>learn and keep [more or less] in shape. It is cheaper than hiring a
>therapist and a personal trainer.
You really need both. The therapist needs personal training and the
trainer needs the therapy. They can meet at your house.
mm
The winch can exert a force of 2000 pounds and some thought the whole
load would be 300 plus the 100 pound hopper. Much less than its total
capacaty.
That raises a common question for me. Are winches smart enough to use
less just because a smaller winch could do the job?
Are wallwarts, adapters, smart enough to use less even when the
low-voltage appliance or electronic device they power are turned off.
HOw much less? I know that if there is no current in the secondary,
that someone provides more impedance to the primary, but I don't know
how much or what the resulting current is in the primary, whose own
internal resisstance and internal impedance hasn't changed.
The winch doen't have a secondary. Does it have a speed control? The
url he gave mentions on/off toggle but no speed control. What happens
when the load is much less than maximum? Does it turn faster or the
same speed, but using less current? How much less?
dpb
...
> That raises a common question for me. Are winches smart enough to use
> less just because a smaller winch could do the job?
"Smart?", no--but nature takes care of it automagically...
...
> The winch doen't have a secondary. Does it have a speed control? The
> url he gave mentions on/off toggle but no speed control. What happens
> when the load is much less than maximum? Does it turn faster or the
> same speed, but using less current? How much less?
Winches in general are single speed.
Same (essentially) speed, less current.
How much -- look at the table at the url; there was an expected current
vs load chart there.
--
Bob F
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:24:57 -0500, AZ Nomad
> <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:57:03 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
>> <elbr...@email.com> wrote:
>>> I picked up a winch that I'll be using to pull dirt out of my
>>> basement. So now I need to power it.
>>
>>> It is a one horse motor- 2000lb capacity.
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Superwinch-1140200-ATV-2000-Winch/dp/B0015D4ZH0
>>
>>> I'll be using it to pull a [roughly] 300pound load up a wheeled
>>> incline for 20 feet--- then it will rest for 30 minutes or so--
>>> then repeat. Probably not more than 3 times. . . then do it again
>>> tomorrow.
>>
>>> So I won't be working the thing real hard. What are some
>>> thoughts on how to power it.
>>
>> Expect to pay $70-$140 for a battery charger and another $30 for a
>> battery unless you've already got them laying about.
>
> I've got the charger- but I was thinking >$100 for the deep cycle
> battery.
>
>> Plus ramp and bucket.
>
> Got the ramp- two 10foot sections of skate-wheel conveyor. . . . the
> 'bucket' will be a box low enough to go through a cellar window. Scrap
> materials and 1 hr construction time.
It'd probably be faster and easier to just pull the bucket out yourself. How
much load can a full bucket be?
Jim Elbrecht
>Jim Elbrecht wrote:
-snip-
>> Got the ramp- two 10foot sections of skate-wheel conveyor. . . . the
>> 'bucket' will be a box low enough to go through a cellar window. Scrap
>> materials and 1 hr construction time.
>
>It'd probably be faster and easier to just pull the bucket out yourself. How
>much load can a full bucket be?
I'm sure it would be faster. But I don't think it would be easier
than sitting down and pushing a button while I sip a cold glass of
water.
Though before I spend a lot of effort making the winch work I probably
ought to get the ramp & sled in operation and see how much effort is
really needed.
I had planned on resting for the 5 minutes or so it would take to pull
the sled up the ramp. If I can pull it up with a couple pulleys in
1 minute, I suppose I could just sit for the other 4.<g>
Jim
Smitty Two
Jim Elbrecht <elbr...@email.com> wrote:
Well, I'm following your tale with interest, as I'm facing a similar
issue. Actually had a thread a few months back on the topic. I'd be
interested in seeing photos of your homemade excavator when you get it
all put together.
Larry W
junkyard and remove the tire. Jack up the car so one of the drive
wheels is off the ground. Install the rim at that position. Chock all the
other wheels as securely as you know how. Attach a rope to the bucket.
Start the car and put it in the appropriate gear. Throw a couple loops
of the rope over the tire, then pull on the free end to tension the
rope around the rim, as if it was a sailboat winch. When the load
gets up to level ground, let the free end of the rop slack and then shut off
the Impala.
--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
Jim Elbrecht
>Pull your Impala over to the side of the house. Get an extra wheel from a
>junkyard and remove the tire. Jack up the car so one of the drive
>wheels is off the ground. Install the rim at that position. Chock all the
>other wheels as securely as you know how. Attach a rope to the bucket.
>Start the car and put it in the appropriate gear. Throw a couple loops
>of the rope over the tire, then pull on the free end to tension the
>rope around the rim, as if it was a sailboat winch. When the load
>gets up to level ground, let the free end of the rop slack and then shut off
>the Impala.
That's what my grandpa would have done. And he managed to die of
more or less natural causes-- but the men of his generation were much
more likely to die of accidents than we are today-- and they were far
more likely to be missing a finger or two, or a hand, or an arm.
But there is no question- on the quick and dirty scale, this is a
winner.
Jim
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cl...@snyder.on.ca
Most likely with the load he's got the winch will draw less than 20
amps, which the garden tractor battery and charging system will be
able to handle, no problem.. Run the tractor for 10 minutes for each 3
- 4 minutes of running the winch.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
>On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:26:30 -0500, dpb <no...@non.net> wrote:
>
>I fried a regular car battery running a boat winch. I was pulling logs
>out of the woods with it and blew a cell open in the battery.
>Fortunately it was a Wal-Mart battery and they just swapped it out for
>me.
And the logs were a LOT heavier than his bucket of dirt
fwt...@gmail.com
> I picked up a winch that I'll be using to pull dirt out of my
> basement. So now I need to power it.
>
> It is a one horse motor- 2000lb capacity.
> http://www.amazon.com/Superwinch-1140200-ATV-2000-Winch/dp/B0015D4ZH0
>
> I'll be using it to pull a [roughly] 300pound load up a wheeled
> incline for 20 feet--- then it will rest for 30 minutes or so-- then
> repeat. Probably not more than 3 times. . . then do it again
> tomorrow.
>
> So I won't be working the thing real hard. What are some thoughts
> on how to power it.
>
> have the charger. Would have to buy the battery.
>
> I've thought of a transformer. Have no idea what size or what they
> cost.
>
> overkill, but it has a good 8hp motor on it, and charges the little
> battery - so I think I could just run it off that battery when the
> motor is running.
>
> Or I could pull the Impala around to the side of the house and tap
> into that 12v system.
>
> What sounds like a feasible plan?
>
> Jim
Use the Impala, keep it running as the draw is high attach directly to the battery with clamps.. The lawnmower may work but the amps of the car/truck battery will be better.
tra...@optonline.net
winch that is 120V. Sounds easier to me. If that was the intended
use, why get a 12V one?
Dean Hoffman
> On Monday, July 13, 2009 7:57:03 PM UTC-5, elbrecht wrote:
>> I picked up a winch that I'll be using to pull dirt out of my
>> basement. So now I need to power it.
>>
>> It is a one horse motor- 2000lb capacity.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Superwinch-1140200-ATV-2000-Winch/dp/B0015D4ZH0
Mickey? just mentioned the lack of dates on web pages. Elbrecht's
question appears to have been from four years ago.
Stormin Mormon
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micky
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>This post is from 2009. Wonder if he's made any progress?
Jim Elbrecht
wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:02:53 -0400, Stormin Mormon
><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>This post is from 2009. Wonder if he's made any progress?
>
>I was by there and there is a pile of dirt about 4x4x4 ft.
machine to pull the loaded platform up the ramp. I had completely
underestimated the power of all those little skate wheels on the
conveyor.
Anyone need a 4yr old, un-used winch? [actually I still have plans
for it-- but life has been interfering with them<g>]
Jim