Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
James
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is $200-300.
Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.
Any comments or advice would be welcome.
Thank you.
James
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200218424_200218424
RBM
"James" <jnipp...@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
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>the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws prohibiting it's use,
>but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of heating oil from an above ground
>tank to an underground tank each year for about five years now, using a
>cheap garden hose and a gear pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out
>for problems while the transfer is going on
willshak
You need a polyurethane hose that can handle gasoline or oil. Available
at the big box stores in cut-to-length rolls.
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"RBM" <r...@noemail.com> wrote in message
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you can actually solve after you visually note them happening?
jc
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just curious....
john
James
the advice of a polyurathane hose is good, but I think 50 feet will be
quite expensive
James
Red Green
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City inspectors maybe.
David Nebenzahl
> not sure if I could roll up a pvc line for storage when I am not using it...
>
> the advice of a polyurathane hose is good, but I think 50 feet will be
> quite expensive
So what is the inside of ordinary garden hose made of? Sheesh, I'll bet
that whatever it is, it's plenty resistant to petroleum products such as
what you're pumping (despite the possibility that it's "not approved"
for such use).
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"Red Green" <postm...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector checking the
type of hose you're using, it time to move
Frank
You could always try getting a sample piece of hose and soaking in
kerosine for a couple of days to see if it swells, dissolves or
degrades.
mm
<frank....@dol.net> wrote:
>On May 10, 3:01�pm, "James" <jnipper...@nospamfdn.com> wrote:
>> I need to transfer K1 �kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank �50 ft
>> away. � I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is �$200-300.
>>
>> Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, �3/4 inch hose like the one
Or a cheap one. What do commerical grade water hoses have that cheap
grade don't?
>> shown in this link ? �This hose would be used �**only** �for this purpose,
>> and would be used no more than two times a year.
>>
>
>You could always try getting a sample piece of hose and soaking in
>kerosine for a couple of days to see if it swells, dissolves or
>degrades.
Good idea.
Ernie Willson
swell and fail very quickly in petroleum service. I think there is a
good reason a proper hose costs a bit of money..for the required
materials. I'd recommend getting hose certified for your service.
If you choose water hose then please let us know what happens
EJ in NJ
tn...@mucks.net
wrote:
It would help to know what the hose is made of. The pictured black
hose may be made of nitrile rubber. If so it has excellent chemical
compatibility to kerosene.
Larry The Snake Guy
gallon can realistic or are we talking hundreds/thousands of gallons?
Next, is there any possibility of getting the trailer closer?
If all else fails, you could buy fuel line from an auto store for $1-2
a foot, and I'd bet you could probably order it for a bit less.
tn...@mucks.net
wrote:
>I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
It would help to know what the hose is made of. The pictured black
hose may be made of EPDM rubber. If so it not recommended to use
with kerosene.
Red Green
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>> "Joe" <n...@home.com> wrote in
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>>>
>>> "RBM" <r...@noemail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "James" <jnipp...@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:27-dnRR9yekZuZrX...@posted.localnet...
>>>>>I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank
>>>>>50 ft
>>>>> away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
>>>>> $200-300.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like
>>>>> the one
>>>>> shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this
>>>>> purpose,
>>>>> and would be used no more than two times a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any comments or advice would be welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_
>>>>> 20 0218424_200218424
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
>>>>>deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
>>>>>prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
>>>>>heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
>>>>>year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a gear
>>>>>pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems while
>>>>>the transfer is going on
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
>>> for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
>>> happening?
>>>
>>> jc
>>>
>>>
>>
>> City inspectors maybe.
>
> If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
> checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move
>
>
>
I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the ground...tank or
not.
RBM
Private citizen pumping privately owned oil from one privately owned tank to
another privately owned tank on private property...privately, just to
clarify
Red Green
>>>>>>> 0_ 20 0218424_200218424
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
>>>>>>>deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
>>>>>>>prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
>>>>>>>heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
>>>>>>>year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a
>>>>>>>gear pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems
>>>>>>>while the transfer is going on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
>>>>> for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
>>>>> happening?
>>>>>
>>>>> jc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> City inspectors maybe.
>>>
>>> If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
>>> checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the
>> ground...tank or not.
>
> Private citizen pumping privately owned oil from one privately owned
> tank to another privately owned tank on private property...privately,
> just to clarify
>
>
>
Well in some Granola-head states, when it comes to anything to do with
oil and the ground there is no such thing as "privately".
RBM
I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.
HeyBub
It's interesting to contemplate why someone would even ask this question.
James
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James
tank. Can get within 50 feet.
I thank everyone for their comments. I plan to try the garden hose, and
monitor its condition from year to year, and always monitor when I am
pumping , to assure there are no leaks, etc. I am in a remote place in the
mountains, and most inspectors could not find their way home if they ever
got to this place. Hee hee
Thanks again everyone.
james
Cwatters
Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of their
heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has taken a two
weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to mention the fine.
George
pump and a hose on a hose reel all designed to dispense liquid fuels
into your tank.
Stormin Mormon
of liquid. And then pump it through neoprene gas line.
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Stormin Mormon
collapse the hose, and cut off your siphon action. I'd
suggest to build a tube out of PVC, and a couple elbows on
top, so that the garden hose doesn't have to go around a
corner. So the hose doesn't collapse flat. Make a "shephards
crook". You can adapt PVC to pipe thread with plastic
adaptors, and then to garden hose thread. Stick the crook /
cane tube into your tank. Use a shop vac or something
similar to start the siphon action.
I don't really know for sure. But maybe you can use a shop
vac to blow some air through the garden hose. Dry it out
when you're done. So the kerosene isn't in there, softening
the rubber in betweeen times.
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"James" <jnipp...@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
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HeyBub
>>
>> I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.
>>
>
> Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of
> their heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has
> taken a two weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to
> mention the fine.
Sigh.
Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes to great lengths to put a
bunch of it BACK in the ground.
But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.
stan
<colin.wattersNOS...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
>
> Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of their
> heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has taken a two
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes that can happen. Especially in an urban area. In more rural areas
it is amazing how far leaked oil can travel, polluting drinking wells
along the way! In one case here the large hole (many dump truck
loads) that had to be excavated to remove oil polluted soil was used
to build a basement onto which a rentable extension to the house was
built.
One failure mode (of outside tanks) has been when unprotected oil
lines have snapped off due to ice and snow, thus leaking the oil onto
the ground. Where tanks have leaked (usually due to internal rusting)
inside a house it has soaked into concrete basements floors. The smell
(and possibly health hazard?) never goes away.
Regulations for installation of oil tanks has been improved and that
along with greater use of electricity, due here to lower cost, is
reducing the hazard. Oil leakage insurance can be expensive even when
the oil tank replacement has been done in an approved/certified
manner.
There have been a few hospitalizations (in a population of 500,000
persons) due to ingesting oil. And problem is that once a well has
been polluted it may be years, if ever before, it is fit for use
again..
The Ranger
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Your ignorance is staggering. I truly hope you drink water that's been
poluted because the "nanny state" wasn't there to force that individual to
clean up the mess he created.
The Ranger
willshak
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"Cwatters" <colin.wat...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message
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Why would they be "fined" for having the misfortune of a fuel tank leak?
>
>
James
did, you would seek to cancel your message. Otherwise, it would make sense.
Fuel trucks don't go up there, not for a million dollars.
James
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good ideas Christopher.....
James
HeyBub
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes to great
>> lengths to put a bunch of it BACK in the ground.
>>
>> But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.
>
> Your ignorance is staggering. I truly hope you drink water that's been
> poluted because the "nanny state" wasn't there to force that
> individual to clean up the mess he created.
>
> The Ranger
I'm in Texas. We know about oil.
Seventy percent of the nation's refining capacity is within 100 miles of my
home.
Some pussies from Washington were nosing around not long ago trying to
discover why 70% of my neighbors are bald.
We run 'em off with a shotgun.
Kansas
I had been working with equipment proffesionally installed, with rubber
hoses approved for the fluid in use, when after the years the hoses broke
down shedding pieces. In this case the chunks destroyed about a million
dolars of calibration equipment. Amazin how hard it is to find about a
hundred small rubber chunks in a room size machine.
I would suggest checking the hose before and after use, and soaking then
scraping some small section to make sure than it is still sound.
So do you have a mechanical filter in place in the line? I will assume a jet
clog of other clog will not be trivial to fix.
PeterD
wrote:
Man, you bald Texan men sure do go for bald women... <g>
PeterD
>
>
>Why would they be "fined" for having the misfortune of a fuel tank leak?
>
For failure to meet codes? Which would have prevented contamination
from the leak... (Think dual-wall tanks.)
(see how snipping past comments makes this post easier to read?)
Cwatters
> Why would they be "fined" for having the misfortune of a fuel tank leak?
because they should maintain it so it doesn't leak. Old ones should be
replaced by bunded tanks (twin wall).
James
on my big oil tank, before it goes into the house.
James
RBM
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Why would you assume that the tank he had, didn't meet codes? There is no
code where I live, requiring me to replace my existing tank with any special
type. Over time, if it's left in the ground, it too will become porous.
RBM
You use the word "should" as though you are the authority. I'm sure every
state,city, county, and town have their own rules, and it seems that Stan's
neighbor could have been in compliance, in his jurisdiction, when the leak
occured. He certainly didn't indicate that he wasn't
>
>
RBM
>>My appologies, I really got screwed up on the progression of this thread.
>>So you're saying that where you live, there is a requirement to dig up
>>existing oil tanks and replace them?
>
>
The Ranger
> The Ranger wrote:
>>>
>>> Sigh.
>>>
>>> Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes
>>> to great lengths to put a bunch of it BACK in the ground.
>>>
>>> But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.
>>
>> Your ignorance is staggering. I truly hope you drink water
>> that's been poluted because the "nanny state" wasn't there
>> to force that individual to clean up the mess he created.
>>
Y'all're just poser, nothing more than a Mississippi reject. Y'all don't
know dick.
> Some pussies from Washington were nosing around not
> long ago trying to discover why 70% of my neighbors
> are bald.
>
> We run 'em off with a shotgun.
Reality will eventually break those glasses y'all're wearin'.
The Ranger