Home Depot Store Security
Dick Adams
all you need to do to clean out a Home Depot
store is to bring a large enough truck.
Today I went in there to purchase a lockset
for my new front door. I swiped it on the
self-checkout, stuck it in my basket, swiped
my credit card in the machine, and started
for the door. Who stopped me? My wife did.
She pointed out that I needed to put the
lockset in the bag and proceed from there.
Well it turned out this lockset had a security
device that needed to be neutralized, and, of
course, it did not get neutralized and an
alarm went off as I left the store. Who stopped
me? NOBODY!
I wish Home Depot ran a liquor store!
G. Morgan
I've had those things go off at Walgreens, Wal-Mart, etc...
I just keep on walking, I don't slow down or even look behind me.
I paid for the items, and I'm sure not going to react to a alarm that they
failed to operate correctly.
Never once has anyone tried to stop me or even say anything.
--
You'll be Ok, Enjoy. Life is nothing more than a bunch of mini
vacations all rolled into one. - Old Gringo
Molly Brown
It’s not the security that’s the deterrent but the potential
punishment. Chances are if someone is stealing from someplace like
Home Depot they probably have an arrest record and here in California
if you get arrested three times you go to jail for twenty-five years
to life.
Country
Reminds me of many years ago when I first moved to this area and got
involved in the local sports. After a late softball game, most of the
team went to a local bar to blow off steam. Wife and I had many beers
and a burger or two. But I had always been used to paying for each
beer or burger or whatever I got when it was delivered to the table
but this place just trusted people to pay up before leaving.
When we decided to leave, we just went out to the car and nobody
stopped us. I got behind the wheel and started the car and just sat
there for a minute with my arms folded. Wife asked me what was wrong
and I said that something just doesn't feel right. Then it hit me that
I hadn't paid my tab. I ran back in the bar and paid up.
Ain't nothing like a clear conscience.
-C-
harry
>
> - Show quoted text -
I went on holiday in Papua New Guinea a few years back. They have
armed guards at the store doors there. Everyone is body searched and
bags checked going in and out. (unless you're white). They have
regular gunfights with robbers, we witnessed two in three weeks. The
robbers usually have AK47s as do the police. We saw two people killed
and many fights with other weapons.
Hotel complexes are like................Gitmo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-zEQgVkQZg
You Yanks don't actually know anything much about gun violence.
It was an interesting holiday.
We had everything stolen ourselves. (Machete attack.)
Ed Pawlowski
"G. Morgan" <usenet...@gawab.com> wrote
>>Well it turned out this lockset had a security
>>device that needed to be neutralized, and, of
>>course, it did not get neutralized and an
>>alarm went off as I left the store. Who stopped
>>me? NOBODY!
>
> I've had those things go off at Walgreens, Wal-Mart, etc...
>
> I just keep on walking, I don't slow down or even look behind me.
>
> I paid for the items, and I'm sure not going to react to a alarm that they
> failed to operate correctly.
>
> Never once has anyone tried to stop me or even say anything.
Sometimes that security device is on the outside. I've already peeled it
off my package and stuck it on the bottom of the cart. Probably drove
someone nuts at least once.
aemeijers
You are an evil, evil man. :^)
--
aem sends...
G. Morgan
I stuck one to buddy's shirt one time. It freaked him out, he turned around all
guiltily looking and shit!
Smitty Two
<d91bc3a5-d119-49b0...@r21g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
harry <harol...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I went on holiday in Papua New Guinea a few years back. They have
> armed guards at the store doors there. Everyone is body searched and
> bags checked going in and out. (unless you're white). They have
> regular gunfights with robbers, we witnessed two in three weeks. The
> robbers usually have AK47s as do the police. We saw two people killed
> and many fights with other weapons.
> Hotel complexes are like................Gitmo?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-zEQgVkQZg
>
> You Yanks don't actually know anything much about gun violence.
> It was an interesting holiday.
> We had everything stolen ourselves. (Machete attack.)
We know enough not to go on holiday in places like that.
The Daring Dufas
I've had those tags stuck to my shoe before and it would set off the
alarms when I walked in the door.
TDD
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The Daring Dufas
So it's all the fault of the guns? The guns jump up and shoot people
all on their own. I recall something interesting from the video, the
deaths from tribal wars have increased since the bow and arrow was
replaced by the gun. It appears to me that the problem is not guns
but a culture of violence. I agree that guns shouldn't be introduced
to such a primitive people who are just as likely to kill each other
with edged weapons. Imagine Vikings with AK47's an how much more
terrorizing an invading hoard would be. I don't think I'll be visiting
PNG anytime soon.
TDD
HeyBub
You could have prevented all the confusion and commotion by carrying a large
magnet in your pocket. Rub the item over your pant's and you're good to go.
Here's the one I use (95lb pull):
http://www.harborfreight.com/66mm-round-magnet-96650.html
George
A few years back one of the local big box "associates" stopped and
detained someone with a receipt in their hand for the items they
purchased after they had set off an alarm because of a tag. It cost them
some bucks to settle the lawsuit. If you operate a store on the cheap
trying to copy walmart then it is your problem when stuff like this
happens not the problem of someone who paid for the merchandise.
Red Green
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Winning reply.
Tony Miklos
While checking out at Wall Maart the cashier told me that one item is
going to set off the alarm. So just for the hell of it I told them to
watch as I held the item above my head and walked out without triggering
the alarm.
I can see it now. All the footballs are going to be stolen as people
pass them out to their friends past the sensors.
Now I haven't tried it, but wouldn't a strong magnet disable those
little suckers?
Tony Miklos
LOL! I like that!
Country
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You can't fool us. You're really talking about Detroit, Michigan.
>
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I'm a country boy but I've been in Detroit and Chicago several times.
Of the two, I feel much safer in Detroit.
-C-
Stormin Mormon
etched into the board, and a small IC chip. I'm not sure what the
action is. A magnet could disable it, but I'm doubtful it would. Of
course, I could try it some day.
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Mark Lloyd
[snip]
>
> I've had those things go off at Walgreens, Wal-Mart, etc...
>
> I just keep on walking, I don't slow down or even look behind me.
>
> I paid for the items, and I'm sure not going to react to a alarm that they
> failed to operate correctly.
>
> Never once has anyone tried to stop me or even say anything.
>
I call the things "customer annoyance devices", since that seems to be their
main function.
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Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed
with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of
Jupiter."
-- Thomas Jefferson
G. Morgan
>A few years back one of the local big box "associates" stopped and
>detained someone with a receipt in their hand for the items they
>purchased after they had set off an alarm because of a tag. It cost them
>some bucks to settle the lawsuit. If you operate a store on the cheap
>trying to copy walmart then it is your problem when stuff like this
>happens not the problem of someone who paid for the merchandise.
Yup. If they attempt or manage to detain you and you've stolen nothing they
have a big problem on their hands. It could even escalate to criminal
kidnapping, or unlawful arrest.
You would think all the loss prevention employees would know the rules inside
and out, but I read about incidents all the time where they overstep their
bounds.
G. Morgan
>Now I haven't tried it, but wouldn't a strong magnet disable those
>little suckers?
No, not if they are RFID tags used in newer installations by Sensormatic and
Checkpoint. They even have transmitters that they claim will go through
foil-lined purses etc...
They work just like toll passes. A field of electromagnetic energy is emitted
from the receiver location, which is enough energy to power on the small chip
and it's transmitter that "wakes up" the tag long enough for it to send it's
RFID identifier.
Red
I once worked at a big box store. We were told NOT to detain anyone
under any circumstances. Loss prevention employees were the only ones
authorized to initiate detaining anyone, and that was only based upon
one criteria. They had to have constant video surveilance, on tape,
of the person walking from their car into the store without packages,
video of them throughout the store without gaps in the video, and
video of them exiting without going thru a checkout point. Any of
that video missing and they had to let them leave unchallenged. Yeah,
they missed a lot of thefts, but they were damned good at profileing
the semi- pros.
The biggest scam though was stealing from one store, going to a nearby
similar store's customer service with the stolen item and asking for a
refund claiming a lost receipt.
DerbyDad03
OK, so nobody stopped you from walking out with the lockset, therefore
you could have cleaned the place out with the right sized truck?
That's a bit of an extrapolation, don't you think?
It's interesting that you're making fun of Home Depot security after
admitting that you almost walked out of the store without the item you
just paid for.
Maybe you shouldn't be using the self-serve lines.
harry
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You can't fool us. You're really talking about Detroit, Michigan.
>
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>
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>
> I went on holiday in Papua New Guinea a few years back. They have
> armed guards at the store doors there. Everyone is body searched and
> bags checked going in and out. (unless you're white). They have
> regular gunfights with robbers, we witnessed two in three weeks. The
> robbers usually have AK47s as do the police. We saw two people killed
> and many fights with other weapons.
> Hotel complexes are like................Gitmo?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-zEQgVkQZg
>
> You Yanks don't actually know anything much about gun violence.
> It was an interesting holiday.
> We had everything stolen ourselves. (Machete attack.)
Is it that bad in Detroit? Hey there were Mormons there. And Seventh
Day Adventists.
I did see a documentary about a place called Gary (near Detroit I
think) on RT. Sounded a bit hairy.
DGDevin
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> Yup. If they attempt or manage to detain you and you've stolen nothing
> they
> have a big problem on their hands. It could even escalate to criminal
> kidnapping, or unlawful arrest.
A problem, yes; kidnapping, no.
Here's an odd one, this guy beat the charge when he chased down and tied up
someone who had no stolen merchandise on him, and in nanny-state Canada too.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/10/29/15877341.html
"The verdict rejected Crown prosecutor Eugene McDermott’s argument that Chen
and his workers had no right to arrest Bennett, because he had simply
returned to the store and was no longer in commission of a crime, as
required to justify a citizen’s arrest."
DGDevin
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> It’s not the security that’s the deterrent but the potential
> punishment. Chances are if someone is stealing from someplace like
> Home Depot they probably have an arrest record and here in California
> if you get arrested three times you go to jail for twenty-five years
> to life.
Really, just for being arrested three times, they don't need to have trials
and get convictions?
harry
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
People don't get shot where there are no guns Duf.
Papua New Guinea was a great place Duf. There are some really nice
people there. & some maybe not so nice.
I Saw a bit on the box about yeat another high school hostage
situation in the US. No casualties for once, Except the "perp".
This is what we came to see. The rest was extra entertainment. Heh
Heh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcealFUTqb4
That and the wild parrots. Wife is a parrot nut.
We also saw the (pre-arranged) gunfights near the the show. Also knife
fiights, spearfights and bow and arrowfights. Just like Hollywood.
Only these people were trying to kill one another. The women were the
worst. Never upset a woman from PNG.
I don't think I'd go on the local buses again though.
harry
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I took apart one of those security tags, years ago. It's got antenna
> etched into the board, and a small IC chip. I'm not sure what the
> action is. A magnet could disable it, but I'm doubtful it would. Of
> course, I could try it some day.
>
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>
> Now I haven't tried it, but wouldn't a strong magnet disable those
> little suckers?
So how is it powered? And how long does it stay powered? We have them
over here too. They actually put them on slabs of beef. I can't see
how a bit of tinfoil wouldn't disable one.
Country
Are you thinking about Gary, Indiana. It's almost a part of Chicago
it's so close. Another big industrial town gone to pot.
-C-
Vinny From NYC
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote Re Re: Home Depot Store Security:
>On Nov 30, 12:11 am, rdad...@panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote:
>> My wife and I are both auditors ans we agree
>> all you need to do to clean out a Home Depot
>> store is to bring a large enough truck.
snip
>>
>> I wish Home Depot ran a liquor store!
>
>OK, so nobody stopped you from walking out with the lockset, therefore
>you could have cleaned the place out with the right sized truck?
>
>That's a bit of an extrapolation, don't you think?
>
>It's interesting that you're making fun of Home Depot security after
>admitting that you almost walked out of the store without the item you
>just paid for.
>
>Maybe you shouldn't be using the self-serve lines.
Good point and advice.
HeyBub
>
> People don't get shot where there are no guns Duf.
Heh! Consider Mexico.
A single bullet gets you a prison sentence.
WW
If you do that what would Jesus say?
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Jon Danniken
> I took apart one of those security tags, years ago. It's got antenna
> etched into the board, and a small IC chip. I'm not sure what the
> action is. A magnet could disable it, but I'm doubtful it would. Of
> course, I could try it some day.
The RF coming from the sensors when you walk out the door supplies power,
via the antenna, to the chip, which then emits another RF signal back to the
sensor to indicate that it is still functional (and has not been
deactivated).
Jon
Country
Are you sayin there are no guns in Mexico but people still get shot?
-C-
Jeff Thies
>
>> My wife and I are both auditors ans we agree
>> all you need to do to clean out a Home Depot
>> store is to bring a large enough truck.
>>
>> for my new front door. I swiped it on the
>> self-checkout, stuck it in my basket, swiped
>> my credit card in the machine, and started
>> for the door. Who stopped me? My wife did.
>> She pointed out that I needed to put the
>> lockset in the bag and proceed from there.
>>
>> Well it turned out this lockset had a security
>> device that needed to be neutralized, and, of
>> course, it did not get neutralized and an
>> alarm went off as I left the store. Who stopped
>> me? NOBODY!
>>
>
>
> I just keep on walking, I don't slow down or even look behind me.
>
> I paid for the items, and I'm sure not going to react to a alarm that they
> failed to operate correctly.
>
> Never once has anyone tried to stop me or even say anything.
>
I bought a pair of shoes that hadn't had the tag deactivated. Every
store I went into set off the alarm. Coming and going. I never got more
than a cursury glance and usually not even that!
Jeff
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=======================================================================
Wal-Mart needs to implement a training program for employees. Have you read
about the 100 yr old "Greeter" trying to play security cop?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334450/Woman-arrested-assaulting-100-year-old-Wal-Mart-greeter.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
aemeijers
Well, since broad swaths of Detroit are basically abandoned, if you
consider the city as a whole, your odds of being targeted by the local
wildlife do skew in your favor. Go into the wrong neighborhood, though,
and you may as well lay on the ground with your neck extended.
--
aem sends...
aemeijers
Wrong rust-belt city, harry. Gary is near Chicago.
It was basically a steel company town, and since they mostly went away,
it mostly has too. Not a pretty place at all.
--
aem sends...
The Daring Dufas
> I Saw a bit on the box about yeat another high school hostage
> situation in the US. No casualties for once, Except the "perp".
> This is what we came to see. The rest was extra entertainment. Heh
> Heh!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcealFUTqb4
>
> That and the wild parrots. Wife is a parrot nut.
> We also saw the (pre-arranged) gunfights near the the show. Also knife
> fiights, spearfights and bow and arrowfights. Just like Hollywood.
> Only these people were trying to kill one another. The women were the
> worst. Never upset a woman from PNG.
>
> I don't think I'd go on the local buses again though.
I hear the English poison each other. :-) I watched the movie "Harry
Brown" the other night about pensioners being terrorized by young
thugs until the thugs killed Harry's best mate. Harry was a Marine in
his younger days and slew a number of the thugs. Afterward, the crime
rate in the area dropped noticeably. It's an interesting movie and one
of the better roles played by Michael Caine. Harry, there are over 300
million people in The States and if just a small percentage are crazed
killers, that's more than the population of any number of large cities
or even some countries. The liberal press goes bonkers over some mass
shooting by Whitey but will often ignore a similar crime committed by
a protected minority. I remember all the fuss by Liberals when the US
casualties in Iraq reached one thousand but the fact that more than
forty thousand civilians died in highway accidents in that year was
ignored by the same bunch.
TDD
The Daring Dufas
It's one of the mysteries of the universe, almost like the Mexican
President howling about Arizona's desire to enforce immigration laws
when the immigration laws of Mexico are downright draconian. :-)
TDD
The Daring Dufas
> Tony Miklos<Tony....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Now I haven't tried it, but wouldn't a strong magnet disable those
>> little suckers?
>
> No, not if they are RFID tags used in newer installations by Sensormatic and
> Checkpoint. They even have transmitters that they claim will go through
> foil-lined purses etc...
>
> They work just like toll passes. A field of electromagnetic energy is emitted
> from the receiver location, which is enough energy to power on the small chip
> and it's transmitter that "wakes up" the tag long enough for it to send it's
> RFID identifier.
>
>
Wouldn't it be fun to scatter a handful or two of sticky RFID chips
around the floor of a store that uses RFID security? :-)
TDD
HeyBub
No, I'm saying some countries with the strictest laws (Mexico, Jamaica, and
others) are the ones with the highest gun violence.
But it's not all bad. In Mexico, for instance, most of the murders are by
drug-gang members against other drug-gang members. The government of Mexico
seems to be taking the stand of "Let's you and him fight each other."
Country
wrote:
That Arizona thing wasn't about immigration it was about giving the
law the power to stop you anytime for any reason to check your
"papers". It was a total power grab by the state government.
-C-
chaniarts
> On Nov 30, 6:19 pm, The Daring Dufas <the-daring-du...@stinky.net>
> wrote:
>> On 11/30/2010 4:48 PM, Country wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2:13 pm, "HeyBub"<hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>> harry wrote:
>>
>>>>> People don't get shot where there are no guns Duf.
>>
>>>> Heh! Consider Mexico.
>>
>>>> A single bullet gets you a prison sentence.
>>
>>> Are you sayin there are no guns in Mexico but people still get shot?
>>
>>> -C-
>>
>> It's one of the mysteries of the universe, almost like the Mexican
>> President howling about Arizona's desire to enforce immigration laws
>> when the immigration laws of Mexico are downright draconian. :-)
>>
>> TDD
>
> That Arizona thing wasn't about immigration it was about giving the
> law the power to stop you anytime for any reason to check your
> "papers". It was a total power grab by the state government.
>
> -C-
try again, this time reading the bill for comprehension rather than
listening to 'news reporters'.
Stormin Mormon
visor of your car. When someone cuts you off, you can push laser
blaster, bombs away, or the other one. How about stand next to the
security scanners. Randomly push an annoyance sound when someone goes
through the detectors. See what reaction you get.
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I call the things "customer annoyance devices", since that seems to be
their
main function.
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with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of
Jupiter."
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Stormin Mormon
better subject.
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Evan
>
> It’s not the security that’s the deterrent but the potential
> punishment. Chances are if someone is stealing from someplace like
> Home Depot they probably have an arrest record and here in California
> if you get arrested three times you go to jail for twenty-five years
> to life.
If you get CONVICTED of three FELONIES you go to jail for 25 to life,
it is called "the three strikes law"...
Most professional shoplifters know more about the law than people
think and won't steal felony-value amounts in any one attempt...
BTW, arrests have nothing to do with convictions Molly... You can
be arrested many times and not end up getting convicted of the
crimes you are accused of OR you could have ONE incident which
results in three FELONY counts and get that 25 to life sentence
for one event if you are convicted on all counts at trial... I really
hate it when people spout off supposed knowledge about the law
and then get it totally wrong...
~~ Evan
Molly Brown
Quit right Evan. Thank you for being so specific.
Oren
wrote:
>That Arizona thing wasn't about immigration it was about giving the
>law the power to stop you anytime for any reason to check your
>"papers". It was a total power grab by the state government.
>
>-C-
States should take their power back from the federal government.
Did you know there is now being formed the "Tequila Party"? These are
Mexicans supporting the AZ law.
They feel ashamed.
It is not a power grab...
Oren
Many / most all states now have a three strike rule.
Old stuff:
"On November 4, 1995, Leandro Andrade stole five videotapes from a
K-Mart store in Ontario, California. Two weeks later, he stole four
videotapes from a different K-Mart store in Montclair, California.
Andrade had been in and out of state and federal prisons since 1982,
and at the time of these two crimes in 1995, had been convicted of
petty theft, residential burglary, transportation of marijuana, and
escaping from prison. As a result of these prior convictions, the
prosecution charged Andrade with two counts of petty theft with a
prior conviction, which under California law can either be a felony or
a misdemeanor. Under California's three strikes law, any felony can
serve as the third "strike" and thereby expose the defendant to a
mandatory sentence of 25 years to life in prison.
[...]
"Kevin Weber was sentenced to 25 years to life for the crime of
burglary (previous strikes of burglary and assault with a deadly
weapon).[21] Prosecutors said the six-time parole violator broke into
the restaurant to rob the safe after a busy Mother's Day holiday, but
triggered the alarm system before he could do it. When Weber was
arrested, his pockets were full of cookies he had taken from the
restaurant"
Robert Green
That will never happen. Big Business is driving the trend to consolidate
Federal power because they don't like to have to deal with the Attorneys
General and different laws of the 50 states. The trend, through Federal
bribery and Big Business lobbying, is towards uniform state rules like the
Uniform Motor Vehicle Code and the Uniform Commercial Code. By 2150 we'll
be separate states pretty much the way the Queen is the ruler of England.
In name only.
As for immigration laws, it's way, way too late to change the fact that the
US will be predominantly Hispanic by the year 2050:
http://www.cis.org/CensusBureau2050Projections-LowerLegalImmigration breaks
it down this way:
" . . . each year from 1997 to 2050 more than half of America's population
growth will occur among the nation's Hispanic and Asian and Pacific Islander
populations. Four of every 10 people added to the population through net
immigration from 1995 to 2050 would be Hispanic, three in 10 would be Asian
and Pacific Islander, two in 10 would be non-Hispanic White and one in 10
would be Black.
All us white folks better start learning Spanish and thinking about what it
means to be a minority. The new immigration laws will have to include
"ethnic cleansing" to have any significant effect on the process. While
Harry believes we're capable of that, I don't.
--
Bobby G.
"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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harry
> On Nov 30, 12:59 pm, harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 30, 1:59 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
>
> > <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > You can't fool us. You're really talking about Detroit, Michigan.
>
>
> > >news:d91bc3a5-d119-49b0...@r21g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > armed guards at the store doors there. Everyone is body searched and
> > > bags checked going in and out. (unless you're white). They have
> > > regular gunfights with robbers, we witnessed two in three weeks. The
> > > robbers usually have AK47s as do the police. We saw two people killed
> > > and many fights with other weapons.
> > > Hotel complexes are like................Gitmo?
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-zEQgVkQZg
>
> > > You Yanks don't actually know anything much about gun violence.
> > > It was an interesting holiday.
> > > We had everything stolen ourselves. (Machete attack.)
>
> > Day Adventists.
> > I did see a documentary about a place called Gary (near Detroit I
> > think) on RT. Sounded a bit hairy.
>
> it's so close. Another big industrial town gone to pot.
>
> -C-- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, that's the one. It was quite amazing to us over here. The end
result of naked capitalism. The conclusion was that nothing will be
done about it until the taxpayer picks up the pieces. Pretty grim if
you happen to live there.
harry
He probably is. He's not very smart. He's forgotten they're American
guns, bought with American (drug) money.
harry
> "Red" <RedA...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Heh Heh! Good one that. You won't get a refund over here (UK) without
a reciept.
The scam over here is to look for an item with a price difference. You
buy one at each place. You take your cheap one back to the expensive
place for a refund. If possible you hang onto the reciept. You then
get your friend to do the same. And again. And again. etc.
I say "You" in the for example sense. Haven't actually done it
myself :-)
harry
No better than Papua New Guinea then?
harry
>
> - Show quoted text -
Very sad for the people living there. I don't think there's anywhere
as bad over here. Yet.
But, you never know the way things are headed. But that's one benifit
of "socialism". 'Til the money runs out anyway.
This Irish bailout business is putting the willies up people over
here. There's a strong sense that it's chucking good money after
bad. With the rest of the P.I.G.S. looming on the horizon too. I
reckon the Euro- experiment is finished myself. But if it falls,
you'll catch a cold over there as well.
harry
Heh. Heh. Haven't seen that one Duf. But it's just Hollywood. I
thought a man your age wouldn't be taken in :-) You're confirming my
"Hollywood education " theory Duf!
But if you want to read about the real thing, here you are:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_shipman
This guy might even beat anybody you have over there.
harry
wrote:
> On 11/30/2010 12:33 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
>
Oh, Evil! Heh Heh.
The Daring Dufas
White folks better start fornicating a lot more. Perhaps Caucasians
could receive endangered species status from the federal government?
It would become illegal for anyone to appropriate our habitat. :-)
TDD
harry
Their problem is the proximity of the USA.
The Daring Dufas
Funny thing about law, the law never seems to work according to law.
TDD
harry
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> They used to sell "laser blaster noise" things. You can clip to the
> visor of your car. When someone cuts you off, you can push laser
> blaster, bombs away, or the other one. How about stand next to the
> security scanners. Randomly push an annoyance sound when someone goes
> through the detectors. See what reaction you get.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
> news:QC9Jo.23052$Ca5....@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
> I call the things "customer annoyance devices", since that seems to be
> their
> main function.
>
> --
> 25 days until The winter celebration (Saturday December 25, 2010
> 12:00:00 AM).
>
>
> "And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the
> Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed
> with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of
> Jupiter."
> -- Thomas Jefferson
You can buy a device over here that emits a horrible noise that only
kids can hear. It's left turned permanently on in areas where (eg.
shopkeepers) don't want kids hanging about.
They're trying to make it illegal.
The Daring Dufas
Wasn't there a ex-con in Californiastan sent up for life after swiping
a slice of pizza away from a kid? The screw you attitude of criminals
is what keeps them in trouble. More than once, I've read in the local
paper about a fugitive who was captured during a traffic stop because
he wouldn't dim his headlights. It struck me that there must be a deep
fundamental psychological defect that is responsible for the behavior
of terminal screw-ups and they're so surprised when they get arrested.
TDD
harry
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, please do. Beleive everything you see on TV. That makes you a much
> better subject.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
> news:b2a4484a-7463-4bb4...@o14g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> Is it that bad in Detroit? Hey there were Mormons there. And Seventh
> Day Adventists.
> I did see a documentary about a place called Gary (near Detroit I
> think) on RT. Sounded a bit hairy.
There certainly are Mormons in PNG, I spoke to several "missionarys"
They actually had their teenage daughters there. In the land of
rape. And these black guys love a white girl in PNG. Like a nick in
their gun belt.
harry
Unless you're in Gitmo...............
harry
>
> news:i6kbf6h18g66oimvc...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:31:09 -0800 (PST), Country <ShyPic...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >That Arizona thing wasn't about immigration it was about giving the
> > >law the power to stop you anytime for any reason to check your
> > >"papers". It was a total power grab by the state government.
>
> > >-C-
>
> > States should take their power back from the federal government.
>
> > Did you know there is now being formed the "Tequila Party"? These are
> > Mexicans supporting the AZ law.
>
> > They feel ashamed.
>
>
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Well you did it to the indians. And your Jewish friends are doing it
today. It seems a reasonable supposition.
The Daring Dufas
Aren't there store specific price labels on the merchandise? The
stickers retailers here use are quite sticky and hard to remove
without tearing the package.
TDD
The Daring Dufas
Punk repellent? :-)
TDD
The Daring Dufas
Taken in? It's just a movie not real life. I don't think it was a
Hollywood film, it's distinctly British. The "English poison each
other" came from an irascible Texas mathematician friend of mine
from years ago during a discussion about guns. I haven't been to
a movie theater in many years and probably won't go unless I go
to an IMAX theater. I watch all movies via The Internet shortly
after they are released. :-)
TDD
The Daring Dufas
I've had those darned magnetic tags stuck to my shoe before. The perfect
place for them is that area between the sole and heel of most tennis
shoes or if the shoe has a real block like sole the way some sneakers
have, the tag can get stuck in a crevice.
TDD
harry
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jesus would say "It is good to learn about how things work. I'm also
> pleased that you didn't use your knowledge to commit sin like theft."> "WW" <c...@nospambresnan.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Gaednb2JtaEvwWjR...@bresnan.com...
> I will top post this just for you Chris since that is your style.
> (grin).
> If you do that what would Jesus say?
>
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:id36sg$fgd$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> >I took apart one of those security tags, years ago. It's got antenna
> > etched into the board, and a small IC chip. I'm not sure what the
> > action is. A magnet could disable it, but I'm doubtful it would. Of
> > course, I could try it some day.> > "Tony Miklos" <Tony.Mik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:8lkjr0...@mid.individual.net...
>
> > Now I haven't tried it, but wouldn't a strong magnet disable those
>
> - Show quoted text -
You made that up!
HeyBub
>
> You can buy a device over here that emits a horrible noise that only
> kids can hear. It's left turned permanently on in areas where (eg.
> shopkeepers) don't want kids hanging about.
> They're trying to make it illegal.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito
We have them here too. They're call Mozart.
HeyBub
>
> Yes, that's the one. It was quite amazing to us over here. The end
> result of naked capitalism. The conclusion was that nothing will be
> done about it until the taxpayer picks up the pieces. Pretty grim if
> you happen to live there.
Yes. "Capitalism - Green in tooth and claw"
Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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HeyBub
I haven't forgotten. I'm all for it.
It allows American gun manufacturers greater profit, the gun retailer makes
a profit, and the guns are used to kill drug runners.
Where's the bad?
Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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harry
wrote:
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Heh Heh! Good one that. You won't get a refund over here (UK) without
> > a reciept.
> > The scam over here is to look for an item with a price difference. You
> > buy one at each place. You take your cheap one back to the expensive
> > place for a refund. If possible you hang onto the reciept. You then
> > get your friend to do the same. And again. And again. etc.
> > I say "You" in the for example sense. Haven't actually done it
> > myself :-)
>
> Aren't there store specific price labels on the merchandise? The
> stickers retailers here use are quite sticky and hard to remove
> without tearing the package.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
There's no prices on any of our stuff, just barcodes put there by the
manufacturers. There's no price, just product identification. That
way they can just change prices at the till/computer, wherever.
The packaging is gone anyway when they take it back. All our stores
are like this except the very smallest. It saves putting the price
lables on the stuff. There's a couple of places where they bring the
delivery pallets right into the store with the fork truck and
customers take their goods right off the pallet.
Most stores have the "self service" checkout. There's no greeters or
bag packers either. You've job to find anybody in some places.
Most petrol/gas pumps now you put your credit card in a slot too.
All our credit card have a microprocessor inside them and can't be
used without a code number you need to remember. (PIN number). CC
fraud still goes on though. Americans over here with credit cards get
a lot of hassle as they haven't got them.
No wonder there's an unemployment problem.
HeyBub
>
> Wasn't there a ex-con in Californiastan sent up for life after swiping
> a slice of pizza away from a kid? The screw you attitude of criminals
> is what keeps them in trouble. More than once, I've read in the local
> paper about a fugitive who was captured during a traffic stop because
> he wouldn't dim his headlights. It struck me that there must be a deep
> fundamental psychological defect that is responsible for the behavior
> of terminal screw-ups and they're so surprised when they get arrested.
>
I recall two memorable arrests in my career. One was for a chap who swiped a
barbecued half-chicken from a Stop-And-Rob. Another was for one of two
teenage girls who shoplifted a scarf from a discount store (her cohort stole
a pair of nylon panties).
Both were charged with "Theft of Wool, Mohair, or Edible Meat," which, at
that time, was a felony.
The rule in police work is to charge the suspect with the highest
conceivable crime. This gives the DA negotiating room to reduce the charge
to misdemeanor mopery in exchange for a guilty plea.
HeyBub
>
> Funny thing about law, the law never seems to work according to law.
>
Alan Dershowitz posited several rules regarding the criminal law.
1. Virtually all criminal defendants are, in fact, guilty.
2. Rule #1 is known to the judge, the prosecutor, and the defense attorney.
3. Many times convictions cannot be had without violating the defendant's
rights.
4. Rule #3 is known to the judge, the prosecutor, and the defense attorney.
6. Often what the defendant did cannot be proved and what can be proved is
not what the defendant did.
7. Rule #6 is known to the judge, the prosecutor, and the defense attorney.
Here's how a perp can be sent to the Grey Bar Hotel by merely changing ONE
LETTER in the offense report.
"While on routine patrol, we turned the corner of "X" and "Y" streets and
saw suspect "Z", known to us as a person with several prior convictions for
auto theft, sitting ON a parked car we later determined to be stolen..."
Change "ON" to "IN" and see what happens.
HeyBub
The good folks in Gitmo are not criminals and are not subject to the
criminal laws of this country. Likewise they are not entitled to the
safeguards and rights afforded to criminals.
harry
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well, you reveal a lot about how you view people.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
> news:132cbf56-91da-4b28...@a28g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>
> There certainly are Mormons in PNG, I spoke to several "missionarys"
> rape. And these black guys love a white girl in PNG. Like a nick in
> their gun belt.
Once again you show your ignorance . PNG is possibly the rape capital
of the world. Every woman in PNG is armed with a knife to defend
agsainst it.. They cannot travel alone. Especially white women. They
are prepared to use it and are trained by their mothers in knife
fighting.
I did see woman fighting with knives while I was there. One accused
the other of screwing her husband.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCR9F_KbS18
http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/papuang_45211.html
You have very sheltered and ignorant life in America.
Just keep reading my posts & get educated.
Country
> On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:31:09 -0800 (PST), Country <ShyPic...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >That Arizona thing wasn't about immigration it was about giving the
> >law the power to stop you anytime for any reason to check your
> >"papers". It was a total power grab by the state government.
>
> >-C-
>
> States should take their power back from the federal government.
>
> Did you know there is now being formed the "Tequila Party"? These are
> Mexicans supporting the AZ law.
>
> They feel ashamed.
>
> It is not a power grab...
They were grabbing power from the people. It was one more excuse to be
able to stop and check out any citizen at any time with only the
suspicion that they might be illegal. A cop would be able to use that
excuse anytime against anybody they want.
Yes, those Mexicans that support the AZ law should feel ashamed and so
should any other freedom loving person.
-C-
The Daring Dufas
Then why on earth is our Affirmative Action administration trying them
in civilian court?
TDD
HeyBub
>>
>> The good folks in Gitmo are not criminals and are not subject to the
>> criminal laws of this country. Likewise they are not entitled to the
>> safeguards and rights afforded to criminals.
>>
>>
>
> Then why on earth is our Affirmative Action administration trying them
> in civilian court?
>
Damned if I know. Ignorance of the law, I presume.
I keep trying to knock down canards the progressives put up:
1. "We can't keep people locked up without a trial!" Sure we can. We do it
all the time. Those found in civil contempt (i.e., non-payment of child
support), Juveniles (who, under the law have no criminal capacity),
Contagious desease carriers, Illegal immigrants (held under civil deporation
rules), Emergency mental health declarations, and many classifications.
We can't lock up accused CRIMINALS without a trial, but enemy combatants are
not "criminals." They do not get a right to a trial by jury, legal counsel,
indictment by a grand jury, or their own witnesses. They are, moreover,
probably not subject to the restriction against "cruel and unusual
punishment."
2. "The president has no authority in this matter..." Check his Article II
powers. As C-in-C, the president has ABSOLUTE power over military operations
and neither the courts nor the Congress can gainsay his decisions. As one
appellate judge put it "If the president's actions are unacceptable, the
remedy is the next election."
And so on...
Kurt Ullman
"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> 1. Virtually all criminal defendants are, in fact, guilty.
Michael Connelly quotes a friend of his who says the worst thing
that can happen to a defense attorney is to have a client who is
actually innocent.
--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke
chaniarts
> On Nov 30, 10:42 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:31:09 -0800 (PST), Country <ShyPic...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That Arizona thing wasn't about immigration it was about giving the
>>> law the power to stop you anytime for any reason to check your
>>> "papers". It was a total power grab by the state government.
>>
>>> -C-
>>
>> States should take their power back from the federal government.
>>
>> Did you know there is now being formed the "Tequila Party"? These are
>> Mexicans supporting the AZ law.
>>
>> They feel ashamed.
>>
>> It is not a power grab...
>
> They were grabbing power from the people. It was one more excuse to be
> able to stop and check out any citizen at any time with only the
> suspicion that they might be illegal. A cop would be able to use that
> excuse anytime against anybody they want.
try reading the bill instead of parroting what you've read elsewhere. this
statement is incorrect.
Oren
wrote:
The funniest I've seen was a young man that was sentenced to six
months in federal prison.
"What are you locked up for?!"
"Um mm, harassing a bear!"
I nearly lost it. After we talked I went and read his file and it was
true.
His claim for defense was that the bear ran up a tree and he just
standing there watching it . The Park Ranger saw different.
The Daring Dufas
What gets to me are the morons who keep claiming that The President has
powers that he doesn't have then claiming that he doesn't have powers
that he does have. It's mind boggling.
TDD
HeyBub
> My wife and I are both auditors ans we agree
> all you need to do to clean out a Home Depot
> store is to bring a large enough truck.
>
> Today I went in there to purchase a lockset
> for my new front door. I swiped it on the
> self-checkout, stuck it in my basket, swiped
> my credit card in the machine, and started
> for the door. Who stopped me? My wife did.
> She pointed out that I needed to put the
> lockset in the bag and proceed from there.
>
> Well it turned out this lockset had a security
> device that needed to be neutralized, and, of
> course, it did not get neutralized and an
> alarm went off as I left the store. Who stopped
> me? NOBODY!
>
> I wish Home Depot ran a liquor store!
This wasn't you, was it?
"Police in Edmond, Oklahoma, said the pair were caught stuffing items under
their belly fat and breasts by workers at a TJ Maxx department store. The
officers claim [the suspects] had hidden FOUR pairs of boots, THREE pairs of
jeans, a wallet and gloves to the value of $2600." (emphasis added)
Each item averaged almost $300!
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8173771/women-hid-shoplifted-goods-in-their-body-fat
HeyBub
Heh!
Check this out. That small orange blob at the bottom of the tree is a cat
named Jake. According to the news report, Jake was declawed, else the bear
would be in really deep doo-doo.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ42QAtmwSIhGhMS5Llk81qPcU6RLsyGVhHz6ArZrYpgKn6OKJK
The Daring Dufas
I was over at my friend's place today and he is the guardian of a
Rotwiener, a tiny Wiener dog who thinks she's a Rottweiler. My thumb
is bigger than her snout but the little bitch will challenge anything.
The funniest thing it the world is to see her go after a big laid back
dog and the big dog looks down at this tiny Tasmanian Devil dog bouncing
off of him and gnawing on one of his toes and I could swear
the big dog has a WTF expression on his face/snout. The big dog's
foot is bigger than the Rotwiener's head and I know he could flick
the little dog across the yard with a wave of his paw but the good
natured pooch just looks down at the crazy little bitch and may lick
her head every now and then but it makes her crazier. It's side
splitting funny. :-)
TDD