The *nothingburger* is growing exponentially

[Bod]

World sees record rise of 212,326 coronavirus cases in 24 hours

New figures from The World Health Organisation show this is the largest
rise since records began – more than 20,000 higher than the previous record.
The previous highest daily figure for new cases was 189,077, which was
reported on June 28.



https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/04/global-coronavirus-cases-rise-record-212326-24-hours-12945942/?ito=cbshare

[hub...@ccanoemail.ca]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:28:41 +0100, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>World sees record rise of 212,326 coronavirus cases in 24 hours
>

More testing = more cases.

More cases with fewer sick & dying = more nothing burger.

I'm not sure you're helping your own arguement .. :-)

John T.

[danny burstein]

Damn, you're dumb. Please stay 100 miles downwind
and downstream of civilization.

[Yewston Chronicle]

"It's actually possible that we could become the next New York City," said
Roberta Schwartz, president of Houston Methodist Hospital. "I can't believe
we're now staring down the barrel of that gun."
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https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/health/article/TMC-hospitals-go-into-P
hase-2-surge-plans-as-ICU-15380224.php


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[hub...@ccanoemail.ca]

>
>>>World sees record rise of 212,326 coronavirus cases in 24 hours
>
>
>>More testing = more cases.
>>More cases with fewer sick & dying = more nothing burger.
>>I'm not sure you're helping your own arguement .. :-)

>> John T.

>
>Damn, you're dumb. Please stay 100 miles downwind
>and downstream of civilization.
>[Yewston Chronicle]
>"It's actually possible that we could become the next New York City," said
>Roberta Schwartz, president of Houston Methodist Hospital. "I can't believe
>we're now staring down the barrel of that gun."
> ===========
>https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/health/article/TMC-hospitals-go-into-P
>hase-2-surge-plans-as-ICU-15380224.php

So far so good - I got tested July 1 - negative.
Thanks for caring :-)
... don't forget to renew your meds.
John T.

[FromTheRafters]

on 7/5/2020, hub...@ccanoemail.ca supposed :

> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:28:41 +0100, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> World sees record rise of 212,326 coronavirus cases in 24 hours
>>
>
>
> More testing = more cases.

True.

> More cases with fewer sick & dying = more nothing burger.

True, but more sick *and* a larger 'percentage' of tests being positive
tells the real story. Far from being a nothingburger.

[philo]

Trump supporters suffer from encyclopedic ignorance.

More US citizens have died from COVID in a few months than died in WW-I


Never knew people were this dumb.

[FromTheRafters]

philo was thinking very hard :

It's an eye opener isn't it.

[Bob F]

You're good for the day.

[hub...@ccanoemail.ca]

Yep - I do like living dangerously, though -
ie: the drive into the city to get tested ..

https://www.hpph.ca/en/health-matters/covid-19-in-huron-and-perth.aspx#

Our 2-county health district had a grand total of 1 new case
yesterday - to add to the 58 all-told ; 5 deaths total ;
< I think 4 were care homes >
John T.

[rbowman]

https://tucson.com/news/national/study-suggests-80-of-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-went-undetected-in-march/article_4c199a8f-ddb0-5694-bb17-a2ab9f98156f.html

With a little Monday morning quarterbacking it's possible that all those
people who presented with ILI symptoms and were told to go home, rest,
and drink plenty of fluids actually were COVID-19 cases.

However, in this state due to the shortage of test kits, people were not
tested unless they presented with symptoms. Approximately 1% of those
tested positive.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:28:41 +0100, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Yup we have proved if everyone stays home, it slows the spread of the
virus. What we haven't figured out is how we restart our lives without
another outbreak. I have been saying all along, this virus isn't just
going to go away.

Maybe you folks who have been preaching evolution are going to have to
step back and let it work itself out. The weak will die and the strong
will survive. The species will be better for it.
The current sentiment seems to be more about capitalism than
Darwinism. Granny is a revenue stream you don't want to lose. If you
just want to appeal to our "humanity", bear in mind emotion is a
luxury brought to us by capitalism. Primitive cultures put granny on
an ice floe and pushed them out to sea.

[gfre...@aol.com]

But nowhere near the number who died from the flu in the same time
frame.
We also had a very limited role in WWI, We were only in combat there
about a year.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 08:38:32 -0700, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:

But, but, what about the cry that we need more testing?
Do you care about public health or your Quest and LabCorp stock?

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:uc34gf5giv3cs7q95...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:28:41 +0100, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>World sees record rise of 212,326 coronavirus cases in 24 hours
>>
>>New figures from The World Health Organisation show this is the largest
>>rise since records began – more than 20,000 higher than the previous
>>record.
>> The previous highest daily figure for new cases was 189,077, which was
>>reported on June 28.
>>
>>
>>
>>https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/04/global-coronavirus-cases-rise-record-212326-24-hours-12945942/?ito=cbshare

> Yup we have proved if everyone stays home, it slows
> the spread of the virus. What we haven't figured out is
> how we restart our lives without another outbreak.

New Zealand, Taiwan, Vietnam and Austria all have.

You lot are too stupid to work it out ?

> I have been saying all along, this
> virus isn't just going to go away.

How odd that SARS and the spanish flu did.

> Maybe you folks who have been preaching evolution
> are going to have to step back and let it work itself out.

More likely that even the most stupid like the USA
and Brazil etc will eventually noticed how it is done.

> The weak will die and the strong will survive.

It was in fact the strong that died like flys with the spanish flu.

> The species will be better for it.

It clearly wasn’t with the spanish flu.

> The current sentiment seems to be
> more about capitalism than Darwinism.

This isnt about Darwinism.

> Granny is a revenue stream you don't want to lose.

You inherit quicker if she dies earlier, stupid.

And costs the country much less if she dies off early too.

> If you just want to appeal to our "humanity", bear in
> mind emotion is a luxury brought to us by capitalism.

More utterly mindless silly stuff.

> Primitive cultures put granny on an ice
> floe and pushed them out to sea.

Don’t get that many ice floe in the middle east for some reason.

[Bob F]

Consider yourself lucky so far.

I've been hearing this "no problem here" thing for months, from places
in big trouble now.

[Bod]

What total Bullshit!

In American Indian cultures, elders are valued as protectors, mentors,
teachers, keepers of wisdom, and intergenerational transmitters of
cultural knowledge (12). American Indian elders are often leaders in
their communities and are expected to be involved in decision making
(13).2 Jun 2016

[danny burstein]

In <hmekld...@mid.individual.net> Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

[snip]

>In American Indian cultures, elders are valued as protectors, mentors,
>teachers, keepers of wisdom, and intergenerational transmitters of
>cultural knowledge (12). American Indian elders are often leaders in
>their communities and are expected to be involved in decision making
>(13).2 Jun 2016

Somebody is taking feel good, public relations, sociological
propaganda at face value again.

[Muggles]

EXACTLY!

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[Muggles]

People get sick ... so what? You can't stop people from getting sick.

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[gfre...@aol.com]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 04:00:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
><gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:uc34gf5giv3cs7q95...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:28:41 +0100, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>World sees record rise of 212,326 coronavirus cases in 24 hours
>>>
>>>New figures from The World Health Organisation show this is the largest
>>>rise since records began – more than 20,000 higher than the previous
>>>record.
>>> The previous highest daily figure for new cases was 189,077, which was
>>>reported on June 28.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/04/global-coronavirus-cases-rise-record-212326-24-hours-12945942/?ito=cbshare
>
>> Yup we have proved if everyone stays home, it slows
>> the spread of the virus. What we haven't figured out is
>> how we restart our lives without another outbreak.
>
>New Zealand, Taiwan, Vietnam and Austria all have.
>
>You lot are too stupid to work it out ?
>

Locking up all visitors for 14 days is not "normal".

>> I have been saying all along, this
>> virus isn't just going to go away.
>
>How odd that SARS and the spanish flu did.

Give this a couple years and see.

<snip the stuff that went over your head>

[gfre...@aol.com]

That is what we are told but when the shit hit the fan, granny was
left behind. The average life span for an Indian was about 35 years
anyway.

[Joshua Snow]

"Muggles" <cou...@wn2July4th.com> wrote in message
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Corse can by not going where there are infected people.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you actually are that
stupid.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 04:00:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>><gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:uc34gf5giv3cs7q95...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:28:41 +0100, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>World sees record rise of 212,326 coronavirus cases in 24 hours
>>>>
>>>>New figures from The World Health Organisation show this is the largest
>>>>rise since records began – more than 20,000 higher than the previous
>>>>record.
>>>> The previous highest daily figure for new cases was 189,077, which was
>>>>reported on June 28.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/04/global-coronavirus-cases-rise-record-212326-24-hours-12945942/?ito=cbshare
>>
>>> Yup we have proved if everyone stays home, it slows
>>> the spread of the virus. What we haven't figured out is
>>> how we restart our lives without another outbreak.
>>
>>New Zealand, Taiwan, Vietnam and Austria all have.
>>
>>You lot are too stupid to work it out ?
>>
> Locking up all visitors for 14 days is not "normal".

Irrelevant to whether it is effective when done properly.

>>> I have been saying all along, this
>>> virus isn't just going to go away.
>>
>>How odd that SARS and the spanish flu did.
>
> Give this a couple years and see.

Yes, your certainty that it wont is stupid.

> <snip the stuff that went over your head>

You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

[Peeler]

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[Muggles]

On 7/5/2020 2:21 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:
>
>
> "Muggles" <cou...@wn2July4th.com> wrote in message

>> People get sick ... so what?  You can't stop people from getting sick.
>
> Corse can by not going where there are infected people.
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you actually are that
> stupid.

People still get sick despite doing everything they know to do to
prevent it.

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[bruce2...@gmail.com]

And now you see why doctors and hospitals (and their advice) exists.

[Joshua Snow]

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Not with this virus they don't if they do it properly.

[Peeler]

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[Clare Snyder]

But unlike those places,Huron/Perth has been taking it seriously

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 12:11:40 -0400,

Where are you.

I need to go grocery shoppping.

[rbowman]

On 07/05/2020 01:08 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> That is what we are told but when the shit hit the fan, granny was
> left behind. The average life span for an Indian was about 35 years
> anyway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/29/science/don-t-blame-columbus-for-all-the-indians-ills.html

I doubt the NYT would publish the article today.

"The researchers attributed the widespread decline in health in large
part to the rise of agriculture and urban living. People in South and
Central America began domesticating crops more than 5,000 years ago, and
the rise of cities there began more than 2,000 years ago.

These were mixed blessings. Farming tended to limit the diversity of
diets, and the congestion of towns and cities contributed to the rapid
spread of disease. In the widening inequalities of urban societies, hard
work on low-protein diets left most people vulnerable to illness and
early death."


Nothing changes.

[Joshua Snow]

"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
news:hmfhon...@mid.individual.net...

And hunter gatherers get to die like flies in droughts etc.

> Nothing changes.

Plenty does in fact change over time. We don’t see anyone
dying like flies in famines anymore except where the place
has deteriorated into the most obscene levels of civil war
and civil chaos or have been stupid enough to let some
fool like Kim Jong Il rule the roost.

And even the Chinese don’t eat their neighbours children in
the worst famines anymore. Its easier to swap the kids with
the neighbours and eat theirs than to eat your own apparently.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 05 Jul 2020 11:20:28 -0400, FromTheRafters
<err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>philo was thinking very hard :

>> On 7/5/20 9:34 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> on 7/5/2020, hub...@ccanoemail.ca supposed :

>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:28:41 +0100, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> World sees record rise of 212,326 coronavirus cases in 24 hours
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More testing  =  more cases.
>>>

>>> True.

>>>
>>>> More cases   with  fewer sick & dying  =  more nothing burger.
>>>

>>> True, but more sick *and* a larger 'percentage' of tests being positive
>>> tells the real story. Far from being a nothingburger.
>>
>>
>>

>> Trump supporters suffer from encyclopedic ignorance.
>>
>> More US citizens have died from COVID in a few months than died in WW-I
>>
>>

>> Never knew people were this dumb.
>
>It's an eye opener isn't it.

It is for me. For years I've heard from Republicans that Democrats
think they are stupid, but I never thought so, until this spring and
now that's what I think about a lot of them.

I talked to my sister in law today. My brother tells me she watches
fox news all day long. Today she told me she thought the Dems were
ruining the economy on purpose. Sounds like something stupid they
would have said on Fox news.

I don't know where my brother is on on all of this.,

[Peeler]

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[FromTheRafters]

micky used his or her keyboard to write :

That is the narrative being pushed by them, Trump is all about "They're
out to got me" ever since he was elected and the Republicans back him
up on even the most stupid of his claims - even in the face of contrary
evidence. Even going so far as to suppress evidence and testimony in an
impeachment trial.

> I don't know where my brother is on on all of this.,

My brother and sister in law vote opposite parties, I think they get
their political views from their fellow congregation members and she is
religious but he is not. He pisses me off when he says you don't need
an AK-47 to hunt deer, I have explained to him over and over again how
that is a stupid democrat notion - both parties have their own lies to
tell.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Free of context, I have to agree with your brother. You don't need
an AK-47 to hunt deer.

I suspect, however, that you're indicating he thinks that there are
millions of AK-47s in law-abiding hands in the U.S., and that he
equates any "butch" looking weapon with an AK-47.

Cindy Hamilton
Cindy Hamilton

[rbowman]

On 07/06/2020 05:59 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Free of context, I have to agree with your brother. You don't need
> an AK-47 to hunt deer.
>
> I suspect, however, that you're indicating he thinks that there are
> millions of AK-47s in law-abiding hands in the U.S., and that he
> equates any "butch" looking weapon with an AK-47.

The 7.62x39 round is a arguably better choice than the 5.56x45. Most of
the civilian variants of the AK-47 are accurate enough for the 100 yard
or under ranges where a .30-30 is typically used.

You're right though. The next stop past 'you don't need an AK' is 'you
don't need a .30-30' closely followed by 'you don't need a firearm of
any sort'.

Like many issues today the emotions involved have risen to the point
where I don't see a compromise happening.

[FromTheRafters]

Cindy Hamilton presented the following explanation :

I counter with "You don't need an AR-15 to make applesauce; neither has
anything to do with the Second Ammendment to the US Constitution."

The liberal lie is that our right to bear arms has anything at all to
do with the right to hunt. State contitutions handle hunting issues. It
is a simple strawman argument the left has mostly bought into.

> I suspect, however, that you're indicating he thinks that there are
> millions of AK-47s in law-abiding hands in the U.S., and that he
> equates any "butch" looking weapon with an AK-47.

Let's use 'assault style weapon' for the moment. Not needed for
hunting, but *are* needed to fight off rogue government or outside
invaders. Nice to have a handle, multiple load banana 'clip', a
heatsink and rapid fire capability when what you are hunting is also
hunting you with such weapons.

[Frank]

It is not a nothing burger and it is serious but it is getting under
control.

Liberal press talks about more cases but since less are dying they are
mum about that. it does not fit their narrative.

[Muggles]

They seem surprised more cases are found, but they forget that more
people are also being tested, too, so it's reasonable to conclude that
more cases will be found.

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[Bob F]

Tell Texas, Florida and Arizona that.
They seem to have significant concerns. Darned Repub states. They make
such a big deal of a nothingburger.

[Frank]

You're one of those assholes that politicize everything.

[Neil Kelly]

On 7/6/2020 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:

They did more testing so they discovered more infected people. Duh!

[gfre...@aol.com]

If you have a good flashlight, a .22lr will work. ;-)

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 10:05:15 -0500, Muggles <cou...@wn2July4th.com>
wrote:

The percentage of positives are pretty high too. That just proves, the
virus isn't going anywhere and we can control the spread if we all
live under self imposed house arrest but as soon as we stick our head
up, it will be there.
The only long term fix is herd immunity.
BTW how is Sweden doing?

[Bob F]

And what caused the hospitals to fill up?

Do you ever think?

[Bob F]

trump is the one that is doing that. Plus, most righties at this point.

I am just using the righties methods they teach so well. I am pretty
sure I got it just like you would have done in April.

[hub...@ccanoemail.ca]

>>>
>>> It is not a nothing burger and it is serious but it is getting under
>>> control.
>>> Liberal press talks about more cases but since less are dying they are
>>> mum about that.  it does not fit their narrative.
>>
>>
>>They seem surprised more cases are found, but they forget that more
>>people are also being tested, too, so it's reasonable to conclude that
>>more cases will be found.
>
>The percentage of positives are pretty high too. That just proves, the
>virus isn't going anywhere and we can control the spread if we all
>live under self imposed house arrest but as soon as we stick our head
>up, it will be there.
>The only long term fix is herd immunity.
>BTW how is Sweden doing?

Sweden seems to be doing a bit better than Quebec Canada ..

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

My 2-county Public Health district hasn't had any covid cases in the
4 hospitals since mid-April ...

https://www.hpph.ca/en/health-matters/covid-19-in-huron-and-perth.aspx#

5 deaths - 4 were in a single care home.

John T.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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How odd that Taiwan, Vietnam, Austria, New Zealand
etc etc etc all managed fine without house arrest.

> The only long term fix is herd immunity.

That’s wrong too if it dies out by itself like the spanish flu and SARS did.

And even Stockholm with no lockdown at all hasn’t got
even close to herd immunity, not even double digits
infected. That’s nothing even remotely like herd immunity.

> BTW how is Sweden doing?

More killed by the virus than all the rest of the scandinavian
countrys COMBINED. And nothing even remotely like herd
immunity even just in Stockholm.

The effect of that amoeba on your 'brain' is more obvious every day.

[Peeler]

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[FromTheRafters]

Frank explained :

Are the old folks homes running out of old folks?

[FromTheRafters]

Muggles expressed precisely :

They didn't forget, they just know more about it than you do.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 12:40:50 -0400, Neil Kelly <neil....@invalid.id>
wrote:

There really are more cases here but they are mostly young people who
are not likely to die. Last week they were on the news talking about
an 18 year old girl who died but they profiled her tonight. She was
about 200 pounds with cancer and an auto immune disease. Not exactly
what they wanted us to think last week.
The representative from both hospital conglomerates (almost a dozen
facilities between them) say the majority of the beds, including the
ICUs are not covid patients., They are those who were ducking other
procedures until the crisis was over. Surprise, it's back ;-)

The strangest thing is the insane mask rules they are pushing. OK you
can go in a bar if it is part of a restaurant. (Outback, Chilis etc).
You need a mask on when you walk in but as soon as you sit down, you
can take it off. If you are walking around holding a drink you don't
need it but if you don't take your drink to the bathroom you have to
put your mask on.
Even assuming all of that makes sense to you, how much are you
handling that filthy mask, right before you eat?

The only way I am wearing a mask is if the business gives me a new one
straight from the box and I am chucking it in the trash on my way out.
My only question is where do I keep that mask while I am eating? On
the table with the food? Yummy.

[gfre...@aol.com]

I just addressed that The reps from our two hospital chains both say
the majority are not covid patients. (NBC-2.com probably has that
story, it was on the 6 o'clock tonight).
They say those deferred procedures showed up when they went to the P2
reopening. Tricked again ;-)

[gfre...@aol.com]

Bullshit, what else can you call mandatory quarantine under force of
law? It is extrajudicial confinement, illegal in the US unless they
can demonstrate that you are infected or at least be able to make a
prima facie case that you are. .

>
>> The only long term fix is herd immunity.
>
>That’s wrong too if it dies out by itself like the spanish flu and SARS did.
>

That is herd immunity. Enough people get antibodies to prevent the
spread.

>And even Stockholm with no lockdown at all hasn’t got
>even close to herd immunity, not even double digits
>infected. That’s nothing even remotely like herd immunity.
>
>> BTW how is Sweden doing?
>
>More killed by the virus than all the rest of the scandinavian
>countrys COMBINED. And nothing even remotely like herd
>immunity even just in Stockholm.
>

More to the point, how are they doing, compared to countries who are
truly opened up? That is not the islands and closed societies who have
closed their borders and are still not allowing free travel.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Only a fool goes to bars or restaurants currently.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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None of them had that.

> It is extrajudicial confinement,

Wrong, as always.

> illegal in the US unless they can demonstrate
> that you are infected or at least be able to
> make a prima facie case that you are. .

Wrong, as always.

>>> The only long term fix is herd immunity.

>> That’s wrong too if it dies out by itself
>> like the spanish flu and SARS did.

> That is herd immunity.

Nope, neither got anything even remotely like herd immunity levels.

> Enough people get antibodies to prevent the spread.

Not what happened with either of them, stupid.

>> And even Stockholm with no lockdown at all hasn’t got
>> even close to herd immunity, not even double digits
>> infected. That’s nothing even remotely like herd immunity.

Ignoring that wont see it go away.

>>> BTW how is Sweden doing?

>> More killed by the virus than all the rest of the scandinavian
>> countrys COMBINED. And nothing even remotely like herd
>> immunity even just in Stockholm.

> More to the point, how are they doing, compared
> to countries who are truly opened up?

Worse. The other scandinavian countrys allow other
scandinavian countrys to move freely between them
but the don’t allow Swedes to do that, for a reason.

> That is not the islands and closed societies who have
> closed their borders and are still not allowing free travel.

Swedes arent allowed free travel because
so many of them are infected, stupid.

[Bob F]

> "4 Hospitals in Fla. County Run Out of ICU Beds as State Sets Another
Record in New Daily COVID Cases"

https://www.newsweek.com/4-hospitals-fla-county-run-out-icu-beds-state-sets-another-record-new-daily-covid-cases-1515485

[Bob F]

"Multiple Florida hospitals out of ICU beds amid COVID-19 surge"

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/white-papers/multiple-florida-hospitals-out-of-icu-beds-amid-covid-19-surge.html

[gfre...@aol.com]

Either that or they are doing better at keeping the virus away from
that cohort.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Kissy face bars, I agree but I have been in two restaurants that
seemed to be doing pretty good at spacing people out and sanitizing
the spaces. No communal menus, condiments or other table litter.
I felt like it was as safe as carrying food out of that same kitchen.
I still have no huge desire to go again tho.

It really looks like the bars that are having the problem are the
classic "meet" markets where people go to get close to someone.
The band is loud and you are screaming in someone's face just to be
heard.
At that point you might as well just let them spit in your mouth. I
haven't been to that sort of place for 35 years except with my wife
and we tried to avoid the crowd jammed up at the bar. A quick drink, a
spin around the dance floor and out.

[gfre...@aol.com]

I am only repeating what the directors of the two conglomerates who
run all of the hospitals say here. They put covid patients around
20-25% of beds.

That was on the news tonight.

Most of the positives now seem to be younger people who are not going
to the hospital, at least not yet. If Fauci is right most never will.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Its very far from clear that that is actually any use.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/coronavirus-/12144242

> and sanitizing the spaces.

Useless with aerosols and stupid to be taking
the risk with something as trivial as eating
out with so much of the virus around.

> No communal menus, condiments or other table litter.

Useless with aerosols and stupid to be taking
the risk with something as trivial as eating
out with so much of the virus around.

And pity about what the kitchen staff put on the food etc.

> I felt like it was as safe as carrying food out of that same kitchen.

More fool you with aerosols.

> I still have no huge desire to go again tho.

And it would be completely stupid to do that.

> It really looks like the bars that are having the problem are the
> classic "meet" markets where people go to get close to someone.

That's bullshit too.

> The band is loud and you are screaming
> in someone's face just to be heard.

It isnt just with those.

> At that point you might as well just let them spit in your mouth.

Pity about the aerosols.

> I haven't been to that sort of place for 35 years except with
> my wife and we tried to avoid the crowd jammed up at the
> bar. A quick drink, a spin around the dance floor and out.

Makes no sense to go there at all with this virus around.

Same with barbers.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 10:43:08 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Peeler]

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 10:36:33 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Peeler]

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 15:38:16 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

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[FromTheRafters]

on 7/7/2020, gfre...@aol.com supposed :

Or treatment has improved.

[Muggles]

I'm not putting myself under house arrest ... haha I kind of feel sorry
for them. They're so scared. It's just another part of the world out
there that can make you sick if you're not healthy.


--
Maggie

[Bod]

I assume that you are fairly old, you also have asthma, this puts you in
a high risk category so I would have thought that you would be more
sensible and take extra precautions.

[Roger Blake]

On 2020-07-07, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Record in New Daily COVID Cases"
>
> https://www.newsweek.com/4-hospitals-fla-county-run-out-icu-beds-state-sets-another-record-new-daily-covid-cases-1515485

There is no living with liberals/progressives. They will not stop until
they have total control over all aspects of life. We are at war. Currently
a culture war for the most part, but an all-out civil war is likely to
be inevitable.

https://www.anti-empire.com/the-inventor-of-the-pcr-technique-would-be-the-first-to-say-its-not-fit-for-diagnostic-purposes/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/brandon-smith/is-america-heading-for-civil-war-of-course-it-is/

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[Muggles]

Funny thing is they don't tell the public that those additional cases
are due to them TESTING more people. OH, but wait ... it just means
they can scare more people by leaving out that critical piece of
information.

--
Maggie

[Bob F]

Funny that you are incapable of seeing all the states that are filling
up their hospitals with covid cases. Where do you suppose those cases
came from? Could it be sick people?

Yes, they are testing more. They are also seeing rapidly increasing
positive test rates. Clearly, this disease is increasing fast. Maybe the
people getting it are younger, but that will not stop them from
spreading it to more and more people, including you at some time.

The shit will hit the fan near you someday.

Do you real want this?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes

[Muggles]

hahaha Stop being logical! haha

--
Maggie

[Bod]

How do you think that China was so successful in reducing Covid 19 so
quickly?
It was because of extensive testing.

[Muggles]

I'm not fairly old, and I don't have asthma.

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Maggie

[Bod]

Oh and they INSISTED on everyone wearing a mask in public as well..

[Muggles]

Stuff has hit the fan in the past and subsided, and it'll happen again -
rinse, repeat.

THAT's LIFE! You can't hide from real life.

--
Maggie

[Bod]

I thought that you said you couldn't breathe with a mask on?

[Muggles]

You REALLY believe anything China says?

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Maggie

[Muggles]

You don't have to have asthma to not be able to breath through a mask.

--
Maggie

[Bod]

Ok: What’s Behind South Korea’s COVID-19 Exceptionalism?
Seven weeks ago, South Korea and the U.S. had the same number of virus
deaths. Today, South Korea has fewer than 300, and the U.S. has more
than 70,000.

South Korean public-health officials recognized the necessity of early
testing and the importance of isolating new patients to prevent
secondary infections.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/whats-south-koreas-secret/611215/

[Bod]

I've never heard anyone say that before.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 15:38:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"

Stay there quivering under the bed my friend. You will be safe. Just
don't answer the door.

[gfre...@aol.com]

I haven't really heard of any treatment that will help the old and
infirm. There are things that "show promise" and things that "may
help" but nothing is a sure cure. If it was, we would not be looking
at a second go round of lock downs and closures.

[Muggles]

Oh ... maybe you need to pay attention to what people say more then?

--
Maggie

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I do nothing of the sort because there is no virus here, fuckwit.

Keep doing stupid stuff, and hopefully it will kill you very unpleasantly.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Then you need to keep up. Oxygen does that.

> There are things that "show promise" and things
> that "may help" but nothing is a sure cure.

Help isnt the same thing as cure, fuckwit.

[Peeler]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 04:50:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Peeler]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 04:52:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

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[gfre...@aol.com]

Wearing a mask is not a precaution to prevent her from being infected,
particularly a rolled up T shirt, unless you think they are lying.

[gfre...@aol.com]

No it was because soldiers with AKs were enforcing the quarantine.
They locked down the infected, then they locked down the news.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Autocratic regimes and islands have no problem quarantining their
whole country. The US, not so much.

[gfre...@aol.com]

You heard me say it, along with real readings from a blood oxygen
meter. A surgical mask lowers my blood oxygen at least 3-5%. After a
while I get a headache.
My wife bought me some face shields. I am going to wear that next time
I am in Costco. (the only store around here with the requirement)
They are actually pretty simple. Just a glasses type frame without the
lower rim for the lens and a lexan shield attached.
It is yet to see how that plastic holds up to sanitizers

[gfre...@aol.com]

So, as usual, you don't know what you are talking about.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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No soldiers with AKs were used to enforce anything.

> were enforcing the quarantine.

Another pig ignorant lie.

> They locked down the infected,

Another pig ignorant lie.

> then they locked down the news.

Another pig ignorant lie.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Austria and scandinavia arent autocratic regimes, you pathetic excuse for a
bullshit artist.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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So does plenty of other stuff, stupid

> After a while I get a headache.

Aw, poor diddums.

[Rod Speed]

<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

There is no virus anywhere near my city or in it either, fuckwit
and hasn't been for something like 50 days now, fuckwit.