new "green" muriatic acid

[Frank Foder]

Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean-
Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts
it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list
the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the
web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "<25%" HCl, while the normal stuff
is >30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a
pathetic 20%.

Environmental safety?? Yes, it may be low fumes, but it's also low
performance. For those who take deep breaths while bending over
muriatic acid, this is the stuff for you!

This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners.
The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution.

[Red Green]

Frank Foder <foder...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d8449f41-ee0f-44ec-af4b-
174a2a...@h14g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:

I has some shit paint thinner like that once. Looked just like skim milk
but I think skim milk would have worked better.

[Jim Elbrecht]

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder
<foder...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean-
>Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts
>it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list
>the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the
>web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "<25%" HCl, while the normal stuff
>is >30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a
>pathetic 20%.

The last time I looked at lowe's they had the old stuff and the
'green' stuff. The 'green' was 1/2 the concentration of the
regular.[and twice the price, if memory serves]

I got mine from the pool place, which was about 20-30% stronger than
Lowe's' ''regular'. [OTOH-- it was also about 30% more expensive-- so
I only saved shelf space and convenience]

Jim

[Han]

Frank Foder <foder...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d8449f41-ee0f-44ec-af4b-
174a2a...@h14g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:

> Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean-

HCl doesn't dissolve to greater than 30% in water. Get it a little
warmed (just a little is enough), and the HCl gas will come out --->
fumes.

So 25% is just fine for almost any purpose, and 20% may also be fine,
unless your specific purpose requires the strongest acid possible.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

[JIMMIE]

On Sep 9, 7:27 am, Han <nob...@nospam.not> wrote:
> Frank Foder <foderfr...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d8449f41-ee0f-44ec-af4b-
> 174a2a742...@h14g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:

Most uses of HCL requires dilution anyway so just add a little less
water.

Jimmie

[Frank]

I think the azeotrope is 20% and concentrated HCl is 30%. Pure HCl is a
gas.

[Stormin Mormon]

We've had enough!

It's time for the dilution of the solution revolution!

Cleaners of the world, unit. You have nothing to lose but
your cleaning chemicals.

--
Christopher A. Young
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[Han]

JIMMIE <JIMMIE...@YAHOO.COM> wrote in
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As he said. Indeed.

[Metspitzer]

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder
<foder...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean-
>Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts
>it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list

I bought some of the green stuff intentionally because I was going to
let my 17 year old nephew and a friend wash the white brick at my
home.

They spent about 4 hours washing less than half of the front of the
house. Lets just say my nephew lacks motivation. We scrapped the
project.

Had I left them on the project, they would have eventually made it to
the back of the house. On the back side of the house, I have a wooden
porch. I was fearful that the acid could have damaged the wood.
Anyone know just how strong the green stuff is? It says not to get it
on metal or wood.

[Frank Foder]

One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would
go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it
must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling
vinegar for $7/gallon.

[Jon Danniken]

The one that always gets me is the TSP that isn't tri-sodium phosphate. If
you're gonna call the product TSP, it should be tri-sodium phosphate, not a
degreasing alternative.

Jon

[JimT]

If it works better than dry acid, for pools, it might not be that bad of
an idea. Those fumes can kick you on your ass if you get a good enough
of a whiff. I know I do everything I can to keep from breathing it in
but usually do anyway.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder <foder...@gmail.com>
wrote:

You're paying for packaging and shipping. They throw in the acid for nothing.

[Stormin Mormon]

I have the same problem with Pseudoephedrine free Sudafed.

--
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"Jon Danniken" <jonSPAMMEN...@yahSPAMhoo.com>
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[Frank]

Strong acid can cause the hydrolysis of cellulose breaking it down to sugar.

[Stormin Mormon]

Sweet!

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"Frank" <frankperi...@comcast.net>
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[Frank Foder]

> >One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would
> >go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it
> >must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling
> >vinegar for $7/gallon.
>
> You're paying for packaging and shipping.  They throw in the acid for nothing.

Yeah, right. That's why I can now get vinegar for $2/gallon. But,
yeah, maybe the muriatic acid comes from Nepal or something.

> Anyone know just how strong the green stuff is? It says not to get it on metal or wood.

If I wanted to clean wood or metal, I sure wouldn't use muriatic acid
unless I was trying to clean the wood or metal off of something.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder <foder...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>

>> >One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would
>> >go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it
>> >must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling
>> >vinegar for $7/gallon.
>>
>> You're paying for packaging and shipping.  They throw in the acid for nothing.
>
>Yeah, right. That's why I can now get vinegar for $2/gallon. But,
>yeah, maybe the muriatic acid comes from Nepal or something.

Gasoline costs $3.50/gallon and Perrier is something like $6.

[Frank Foder]

>>>>One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would
>>>>go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it
>>>>must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling
>>>>vinegar for $7/gallon.
>
>>> You're paying for packaging and shipping. They throw in the acid for nothing.
>
>>Yeah, right. That's why I can now get vinegar for $2/gallon. But,
>>yeah, maybe the muriatic acid comes from Nepal or something.
>
> Gasoline costs $3.50/gallon and Perrier is something like $6.
>

Geez, that's right. That's why Perrier is so expensive. Because they
dilute it with that same pricey water! Hard to dilute gasoline with
water. That's why it's so cheap by comparison.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:07:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder <foder...@gmail.com>
wrote:

No, the dilute gasoline with BOOZE. What a waste. It dilutes the gasoline
_and_ makes the vodka undrinkable! Only government could come up with an idea
like that.

[Twayne]

In news:d8449f41-ee0f-44ec...@h14g2000yqi.googlegroups.com,
Frank Foder <foder...@gmail.com> typed:

Now think about it; who do you suppose is REALLY behind the changes in
dulution? It is not Lowes!