On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 2:42:10 PM UTC-5,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 09:29:02 -0800 (PST), trader_4
> <
tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-5,
gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 07:57:07 -0800 (PST), trader_4
> >> <
tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >What Trump just
> >> >did is a felony under the Logan Act.
> >> How is that? Nothing he did will "influence" anything before he is
> >> inaugurated.
> >
> >It already has clearly influenced things. The Chinese are mad,
> >they had a strong reaction to it, filed a formal
> >protest with the USA. Can you show us an example of that ever happening
> >before from either a private citizen, which Trump still is, or from
> >the remarks of a president-elect? Also, the Chinese most likely seized
> >that US drone as a way of responding.
> >
> I think the Chinese are just assuring they get a seat at the table.
> I am sure they are nervous that Trump wants to make a deal with the
> russians and they want some pie too.
> If anybody in the world does not know what Trump is thinking, they are
> in a cave somewhere.
>
I don't know what Trump is thinking. How could anyone? He's flipped
on so many things. 11 mil illegals are rapists and will all be deported.
Now it's only the criminal ones will be deported, the rest are "good
people", who we must "treat fairly" and their position will remain
unchanged for the indefinite future. He was going to use tariffs to
punish certain countries who were allegedly screwing us. Now his
people are telling business leaders to get ready for a 5% tariff on
all imports. So, we're going to punish Brazil, where we have a trade
surplus? You and I know that 5% tariff will do nothing except be
a hidden tax that raises the prices of all imports for all Americans,
while putting more tax money into big govt Washington. IS that
what he ran on? Is that a GOP position? A conservative position?
He said he'd repeal Obamacare. He meets with
Obama for an hour, comes out and says that Obama convinced him to
keep parts of it. He's also saying he has consulted Obama on his
cabinet and other choices. Is that what you expected, knowing how
he apparently has hated Obama for years? So, yeah, IDK what he's
thinking and what he's saying is all over the map.
> >
> >§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
> >
> >Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any
> officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
> >
>
> Trump is the president elect. That makes him significantly more than
> just a private citizen. Even so this is a toothless law that nobody
> has even been prosecuted for.
I agree the law hasn't been applied. But Trump has violated it and
it's very troubling. It's an example of pay-to-play at it's worst
and of a man who doesn't respect the office or the constitution.
> >
> >Not only did Trump interfere, but he did it after being lobbied
> >by Bob Dole, who was paid $140K by Taiwan and is getting at least
> >$25K a month in retainer. You know damn well if
> >Hillary or Obama did this, the Trumpets and GOP would be up in arms.
> >They'd call it treason for money.
>
> They already tried. Don't you remember the pay for play allegations in
> "Clinton Cash"?
That is precisely my point. That the Trumpets bitch when Hillary
or Obama does something, but if Trump does it, then it's OK.
> That is far more direct than simply lobbying.
> Lobbyists take foreign money to pressure government officials all the
> time. That is what they do. Is that a surprise to you?
Heh, I'm not Trump who promised he'd be pure, that he's end pay-to-play.
And I'm not the Trumpets, like Mr. T here, who for over a year kept
telling us the same thing, how Trump was not like a politician, could
not be bought, how he would drain the swamp. Then we get this?
> I would suggest you wait until Trump really fucks up. It won't be
> long. You are swinging at ghosts now and it makes you look silly.
>
Maybe you think they are ghosts. I think they show that I and
others who warned about Trump are right. What exactly does it
take? A war?
> Back to the top of this thread, the world's biggest fear should be
> that trump works out a deal with the Israelis, the Chinese and the
> Russians where they divide the globe into 4 sectors of influence and
> screw the rest of the countries.
Yeah, big chance of that happening.
UK/Euro zone better step up soon or
> they might not have a seat when the music stops. Realistically it may
> be 5 zones but that should scare the pee out of everyone else. He has
> already said the UN and NATO are obsolete.
>
> If Islam as a whole decides Israel is too big for it's britches,
> expect Pakistan to start selling nukes to their Islamic friends.
No, the world will be great again. All hail Trump!