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AtticFart

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Mar 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/6/00
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Is this going to cause a problem ?

Just got this house, and everything done to it or
put in it constantly proves how big of an f-ing
moron there was living in it before me.

The jacuzzi/spa is on the same 220 breaker
(two switches next to each other) as the
central air unit. 1-story 3 bedroom ranch. I'll
maybe use the spa once a week during the summer,
but the C/A will be running every day probably.

If someone can let me know before I find out
the hard way in a couple months, I'd really
appreciate it. Thanks !

ren...@my-deja.com

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Mar 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/6/00
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IF, this is the case, that is wrong & bad.

By "spa" I'm guessing you mean this thing has heaters, filters and
such, not just a bathtub with a little 110 pump... there's almost no way
that could be within rated load. Find the UL plate on the spa and check
the load. I would run a GFI right from the panel. The extra cost would
be worth the piece of mind... I could see how somebody and their pappy
were looking for a cheap way to hardwire a spa(220, 220, let's see the
A/C is 220...), but if you have the cash for one of those big self
heated units, you'd think a call to the electricains would be nothing...

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Greenlight

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It sounds like it may be worthwhile to have ALL the electrical checked out
if "the previous owner" was capable of this (and I take it other)
"abnormalities". Short of obtaining the services of a qualified electrician
who is experienced in trouble shooting existing wiring, for starters find
out what size over current protection you need for the central A/C and for
the Hot tub. In other words is the breaker 50 Amps (might be too high for
the A/C unit? Does the Hot Tub require a GFCI breaker (most do).

The good part is that if there are available empty spaces in the panel, you
can separate these circuits there once you get the right size and type of
breakers. My guess (from here in Podunk) is that the central air breaker was
pre-existing (and correct) and "the previous owner" simply hooked the hot
tub up to it? Yes, most likely they will trip when cycling on at the same
time, but the lack of basic safety issues exhibited by "the installer"
prompts me to suggest a whole house electrical inspection (unless this be
considered an isolated incident).

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In article <qls7cs8ad7o2n0678...@4ax.com>,
to...@over.the.rainbow.com writes:

>
>>
>>Is this going to cause a problem ?
>>
>>Just got this house, and everything done to it or
>>put in it constantly proves how big of an f-ing
>>moron there was living in it before me.
>>
>>The jacuzzi/spa is on the same 220 breaker
>>(two switches next to each other) as the
>>central air unit. 1-story 3 bedroom ranch. I'll
>>maybe use the spa once a week during the summer,
>>but the C/A will be running every day probably.
>>
>>If someone can let me know before I find out
>>the hard way in a couple months, I'd really
>>appreciate it. Thanks !
>>
>

I've seen this before!!! It happens when the homeowner DIY'd everything, and
then priced a 30 or 40 or 50a 220x GFCI breaker...
Just for S's & G's, what brand of panel do you happen to have?

I've seen swimming pool 220v motors wired onto 40a range circuits. OOOh, I'm
gonna start another thread... look for "Your best electrical horror story?"
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John Coggins

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Mar 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/6/00
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No idea from your post regarding the sizes (loads) of the spa and A/C
but 2 breakers certainly sound like a good idea.

Otherwise, don't look at the previous Owner's work so much as a
problem as an opportunity. That's the kind of thing a former boss
said, anyway. Hope it helps.

John Coggins

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Mar 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/6/00
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This answer reminds me of a time way back when I had the bright idea
of using 2 thermocouples to detect inlet water temperature to a
cooling system: one sensor in the water and one in air as a reference.
Connected the right way, they subtract, producing a net difference.
Then somebody asked what happens if water and air are at the same
temperature -- as they are at some times of the year.

There was nothing wrong with the idea. There were just times it didn't
work.


to...@over.the.rainbow.com wrote:
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> From my experience (in Fla) if it is hot enough for A/C you won't be
> heating the spa, if you actually do, look into a heat recovery unit
> for the A/C. You should be able to boil lobsters in the spa with waste
> heat from the A/C. Hot tubbing really seems to be a winter thing.
> This was probably the previous owner's thinking.
> On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:04:41 -0500, "AtticFart" <mo...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>

Robert Graice

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It is definitely incorrect. And if the C/A/C condensing unit is not
protected with a GFCI, it could be life threatening.

Jacuzzi Requires a dedicated GFCI protected circuit for ALL their equipment.

--
Robert Gracie
Service Manager
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www.gracieappliance.com


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In article <8a1hu2$gng$1...@nw003t.infi.net>, "Robert Graice"
<rgr...@gracienospam.com> writes:

>It is definitely incorrect. And if the C/A/C condensing unit is not
>protected with a GFCI, it could be life threatening.
>
>Jacuzzi Requires a dedicated GFCI protected circuit for ALL their equipment.
>

Condensing unit GFCI protected?
Is this something new?

Robert Hancock

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Mar 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/7/00
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This is a code violation - air conditioners and hot tubs are fixed
appliances that require a dedicated circuit. Also, the spa will require a
GFCI breaker, and the breaker it's on now probably is not a GFCI breaker.
Without a GFCI there's a potential shock hazard if there was some sort of
short or electrical leakage in the spa.

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AtticFart

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Yes, I've deduced from this thread that I need to have
it re-wired. Luckily for me, my girlfriend's neighbor is
a bigtime electrician.

The panel has four 220's -- AC/Spa, hot water heater,
stove, and dryer. My hot water heater is electric, so
that one's being used. However, my stove and dryer
are both gas so I think we could tap into one of those
instead, probably the dryer.

Thanks for your help, and thanks to everyone else, too !


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