Best non-clog toilet

[philo]

I do not care about water saving or price.

It does not have to look fancy, but I am getting too old to deal with
snakes and plungers.

So, folks what is the best?




A few years ago, I replaced my $60 cheapie with a a Swiss Madison that
was supposed to be clog free and it clogs twice as often .


Thanks

[danny burstein]

Probably not a great answer, as these are designed for a specific
purpose and cost a LOT, but "mascerating toilets" shred everything
you drop in them and then (optionally...) have a pump so you
can use these in basements and pump the sewage up and out.

Typical writeup:

https://houseandbeyond.org/best-macerating-toilet/
:wq



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[Scott Lurndal]

I've never had a clog with a Kohler toilet.

I've never had a clog with _any_ toilet, for that matter. Perhaps
you're flushing something that shouldn't be flushed?

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 3 Oct 2023 11:43:37 -0500, philo

You may have misunderstood clog free. It means clogs are free, no extra
charge.


>Thanks

[Ed P]

I have Kohler with the 1.6 gallon flush in this house and the last one.
Never had a clog.

Maybe you should change your diet?

[philo]

I noticed a lot of dancing

[Jim Joyce]

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 11:43:37 -0500, philo <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:

>I do not care about water saving or price.
>
>It does not have to look fancy, but I am getting too old to deal with
>snakes and plungers.
>
>So, folks what is the best?

Is a traditional outhouse an option where you live? Those things are about as
trouble-free as things get. Build a 2-holer so that you can make it look like a
standard garden shed instead of an outhouse.

[philo]

I am now flushed with embarrassment

[philo]

What diet?

I eat about six meals a day.

[philo]

On 10/3/23 12:07 PM, danny burstein wrote:
> In <ufhgbp$3l4d0$1...@dont-email.me> philo <ph...@privacy.net> writes:
>
>> I do not care about water saving or price.
>
>> It does not have to look fancy, but I am getting too old to deal with
>> snakes and plungers.
>
>> So, folks what is the best?
>
>> A few years ago, I replaced my $60 cheapie with a a Swiss Madison that
>> was supposed to be clog free and it clogs twice as often .
>
> Probably not a great answer, as these are designed for a specific
> purpose and cost a LOT, but "mascerating toilets" shred everything
> you drop in them and then (optionally...) have a pump so you
> can use these in basements and pump the sewage up and out.
>
> Typical writeup:
>
> https://houseandbeyond.org/best-macerating-toilet/
> :wq
>
>
>

Thank you.

Looks like what I need

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 03 Oct 2023 12:39:07 -0500, Jim Joyce

Good planning.

[philo]

No outhouse option but in the case of an emergency, there is a nice
drain in the basement.

When the kids still lived here, they thought it was a fun thing to use.

[T]

And salt spray up the nose

[Cindy Hamilton]

Yeah, well, some of us have more vicious digestive systems.

We've got a Kohler, and it's very good. I've had to use the plunger
only two or three times in the past 7 years. The previous toilet
was more like once a month.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Scott Lurndal]

Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> writes:
>On 2023-10-03, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> philo <ph...@privacy.net> writes:
>>>I do not care about water saving or price.
>>>
>>>It does not have to look fancy, but I am getting too old to deal with
>>>snakes and plungers.
>>>
>>>So, folks what is the best?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>A few years ago, I replaced my $60 cheapie with a a Swiss Madison that
>>>was supposed to be clog free and it clogs twice as often .
>>
>> I've never had a clog with a Kohler toilet.
>>
>> I've never had a clog with _any_ toilet, for that matter. Perhaps
>> you're flushing something that shouldn't be flushed?
>
>Yeah, well, some of us have more vicious digestive systems.
>
>We've got a Kohler, and it's very good.

I used to sell plumbing supplies in the late 70's. Our best selling brand.

> I've had to use the plunger
>only two or three times in the past 7 years. The previous toilet
>was more like once a month.

The common reasons behind a toilet that keeps clogging include:

Too Much Toilet Paper.
Non-flushable Items.
Original Low-Flow Toilet Issues.
Toilet Trap Clogs.
Toilet Vent Clogs.
Sewer Line Clogs.

If the vent is blocked or clogged it will affect flush
performance.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 03 Oct 2023 21:20:18 GMT,

I have Eljer toilets. Came with the house. Cheap brand?

Only had one toilet clog in my whole life. Plunged once and fixed
easily.

5 or 10 years ago. Might have been too much toilet paper, but only
because I can't think of another reason. Didn't think of that at the
time.

[auks]

When you drop a deuce, what diameter and length is it?

[T]

My two K-4647 Kohler, Stonewood's clog
a lot less than the original toilets.

Our worst cause of clogs is Charmin toilet
paper.

[philo]

I have now gone with that septic safe stuff.

I'm at the point in life where I'm getting away from doing projects, so
I found a plumber that will take a good quality new toilet and rebuild
it for high flush volume.


Though the toilet I have might only clog three times a year, IMO, that
is three times a year too many. The super cheap toilet I had been using
for the previous 20 years, might only have clogged twice.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 07:39:14 -0500, philo

My toilets are 44 years old, so none of this low-volume. And somehow
I've not seen them elsewhere until I went to visit my brother who was
living in Tamarac Florida. I would have thought apartments there (at
63rd and 63rd iirc) are not so new, but the toilet seemed to be.

It was amazing. No swirling. It just sat there until all of a sudden it
went towards the wall and disappeared. It really did use less water
and for me it fully flushed. But I was only there for 3 days and my
research is incomplete. (My thesis isn't due until 2026, when I hope to
get my Ph.D. in plumbing.)

[TimR]

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:39:23 AM UTC-4, philo wrote:
>
> Though the toilet I have might only clog three times a year, IMO, that
> is three times a year too many. The super cheap toilet I had been using
> for the previous 20 years, might only have clogged twice.

They make some kind of power assist flush. I've used them in hotels, but I don't know how they work.

We've been in this house 15 years, and had one clog. The kids are grown now, but back then they had friends over and something got flushed that shouldn't have. I'm sure you know what I mean. These are older American Standard toilets.

In Germany the toilets were super low flow because water was extremely expensive. But I don't remember every plunging there either.

[Bob F]

I have never had a low flow toilet that plugged up as much as the old
"full flow" ones did.

[badgolferman]

Scott Lurndal wrote:

>The common reasons behind a toilet that keeps clogging include:
>
> Too Much Toilet Paper.
> Non-flushable Items.
> Original Low-Flow Toilet Issues.
> Toilet Trap Clogs.
> Toilet Vent Clogs.
> Sewer Line Clogs.
>
>If the vent is blocked or clogged it will affect flush
>performance.

Clogging is not the only problem with many toilets. Those that use
forced flush aren't always the best in cleaning the bowl. The gravity
fed ones that fill up the bowl first work much better in that respect.

At work a ton of forced flush Kohlers were installed and it seems there
is no water jet right where it's needed the most for those who
splatter. Any toilet you go to has skid marks in it until the janitors
come around once a week.

[TimR]

When we lived and worked in Germany, every toilet had a cleaning brush next to it. If you left skid marks you were supposed to be considerate enough to take care of it.

In one building where I worked, the exhaust fan came on when you shut a toilet stall door, not when you entered the bathroom. It was a repurposed barracks, now engineering offices, so there was a row of stalls. I always thought that was taking energy efficiency to an extreme.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 13 Oct 2023 20:18:53 -0000 (UTC),

My brother bought an expensive house in Texas which I think his wife
remodeled, and she or the predecessor put in fancy toilets, imported or
something, looking basically like Elger or Kohler but something was
different because there was always residue on the bottom of the bowel if
you did more than pee. If it had been my house I would have made the
remodeller, if he had recommended them, take them out. But I was a
visitor so I didn't say anything. Paying extra for something not
nearly as good. Ugh. -- These were tank toilets so water pressure was
not the cause of the problem.

[philo]

My original $60 cheap toilet never clogged but when I replaced it with a
new one a few years ago, it clogged several times a year.

I had a plumber here yesterday who I had asked to put in a new toilet
that was not likely to ever clog. He looked at the one here and laughed,
He said it probably barely used a gallon and it was designed to look
real nice and pretty. The exhaust route had an odd bend that he said was
likely to have cause the problem.

He put in a decent, generic looking one that should work better.
He also replaced the innards with stuff NOT designed for water saving
but to give about two gallons a flush.

The whole thing was done at a price I could easily afford.

The first plumber I called said $2000
After I stopped laughing, he said he was not joking.

Then when I showed him the door, I said I'm not joking either

[Hiram T Schwantz]

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:39:10 -0500, philo posted for all of us to digest...

No shit?

--
Hiram

[Hiram T Schwantz]

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 11:43:37 -0500, philo posted for all of us to digest...

>
> I do not care about water saving or price.
>
> It does not have to look fancy, but I am getting too old to deal with
> snakes and plungers.
>
> So, folks what is the best?
>
>
>
>
> A few years ago, I replaced my $60 cheapie with a a Swiss Madison that
> was supposed to be clog free and it clogs twice as often .
>
>

> Thanks

I had a Chroma (Australian) Never clogged. I had bathroom remodeled and plumber
installed American Standard Champion - two clogs so far.

The wax ring: the ones with cones supposedly clog more frequently - yes that is
what the plumber installed.

I researched this and in the past the Toto Drake was the goto. Lots of
accessories, if so inclined. Now it is the Gerber Viper. Let us know what you
decide on.

--
Hiram

[philo]

When I was stationed in Germany, the toilet bowls did not have water in them, just a slab that did not always clear by flushing.

I do not know if that was standard for all of Germany. I was housed in a former Nazi compound.
It creeper me out but I got used to it

[TimR]

I was in Germany 2003-2008 courtesy of my employer.

Regular toilets had water. They didn't use much per flush, as water (and electricity) were horrendously expensive. (and gasoline, about $9.50 per gallon when I was there, but the funds were used for maintenance, and there wasn't a pothole on the highway from one end of the country to the other).

But portajohns! They had the "inspection shelf," a stainless steel flat piece that you made a deposit on, and then when you pulled the lever it rotated and dumped it down below.

The Hauptbahnhof (main train station) where I lived had a wall toilet for men, a long wall with a continuous flow of water cascading down into a trough.

Also it was not uncommon to see men or women pulled over on a B road highway doing a quick pitstop. Nobody was offended or self conscious about it.

[philo]

So far, so good with the new toilet.
Brand name is Mansfield.
Generic as can be. The previous one was more designed to look nice but it had a funny bend that was evidently causing the problem.
I forgot the brand already but a Google search shows it's no longer manufactured.