Switchable Wall Outlet

[Dave C]

I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
configuration was implemented.

Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks

[DerbyDad03]

It depends on how it it wired. If the hot wire comes to the receptacle box,
and then goes to the switch, it is fairly easy. You can cut the tab between
the upper and lower socket and attach a hot wire to one socket and the
switched to the other.

If the hot goes to the switch box first and then to the receptacle, you'll
need to pull an always-hot wire to the receptacle box.

This image shows the easy set-up because the source hot is available at the
receptacle:

http://www.electrical-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/wiring-switched-outlet-2.gif

This is how you require the receptacle after breaking the tab:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f3/1a/cc/f31acc65d0e9c1f34f84b877767bbc9f.jpg

This shows the source hot at the switch meaning you have no always-hot wire at the receptacle. This will require more than just a simple rewireing inside
the receptacle box. You'll need to pull a new wire to get power directly to
the receptacle.

http://www.do-it-yourself-help.com/images/switched_receptacle.gif

That is often done with a 3 wire cable from the switch box to the receptacle.

http://ask-the-electrician.com/images/switched-outlet-wiring-diagram-1.JPG

[Gordon Shumway]

If you have to ask, my advice would be to call an electrician. You don't want to start a fire.

[DerbyDad03]

Actually, both of my first 2 images show the receptacle already split (I
pasted the wrong link of the "before" wiring) but I think you get the
idea.

Let me know if I confused you.

[DerbyDad03]

Now there's the spirit of a.h.r

We get the rare on-topic post and you send him packing.

God forbid someone actually learn something from this ng.

[hub...@ccanoemail.ca]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:57:23 -0500, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:

In every house I've ever owned, the switched outlets were
" just 1 switched " - the other was hot. You may have the
necessary wires at your receptacle - perhaps a previous homeowner
replaced the receptacle and did it incorrectly < ? >
John T.

[Gordon Shumway]

If it were only that easy with you.

[trader_4]

On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 3:39:22 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:

> On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 2:57:48 PM UTC-5, Dave C wrote:
> > I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
> > would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
> > ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
> > switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
> > socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
> > configuration was implemented.
> >
> > Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
>
> It depends on how it it wired. If the hot wire comes to the receptacle box,
> and then goes to the switch, it is fairly easy. You can cut the tab between
> the upper and lower socket and attach a hot wire to one socket and the
> switched to the other.
>
> If the hot goes to the switch box first and then to the receptacle, you'll
> need to pull an always-hot wire to the receptacle box.
>
> This image shows the easy set-up because the source hot is available at the
> receptacle:
>
> http://www.electrical-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/wiring-switched-outlet-2.gif

That diagram should show the white wire marked with black tape
at both ends, at the switch and at the receptacle, to identify
it as an ungrounded conductor.

>
> This is how you require the receptacle after breaking the tab:
>
> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f3/1a/cc/f31acc65d0e9c1f34f84b877767bbc9f.jpg

That diagram shows it marked, but doesn't talk about it and
most people not familiar wouldn't know it.

>
> This shows the source hot at the switch meaning you have no always-hot wire at the receptacle. This will require more than just a simple rewireing inside
> the receptacle box. You'll need to pull a new wire to get power directly to
> the receptacle.
>
> http://www.do-it-yourself-help.com/images/switched_receptacle.gif
>
> That is often done with a 3 wire cable from the switch box to the receptacle.
>
> http://ask-the-electrician.com/images/switched-outlet-wiring-diagram-1.JPG

And the vast majority of receptacles that are wired to just a switch
are done that way, hot to switch, then to receptacle, in which case
it's not a simple job and like you say, needs a cable pulled.

[trader_4]

Funny, in every house I've ever owned, it's been the other way.
They are either hot or switched, not mixed. I have seen the
mixed type and it sure sounds more convenient.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

What century are you living in? All my sockets have switches on them.

--
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A: One less drunk.

[Uncle Monster]

On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 5:37:53 PM UTC-6, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:57:23 -0000, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
> > would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
> > ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
> > switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
> > socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
> > configuration was implemented.
> >
> > Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
>
> What century are you living in? All my sockets have switches on them.
> --
>

You do know that North American wiring standards, voltages and frequency of normal AC power for homes. business and industry are quite different from those of Europe? Your inductive hum is lower and more masculine. I suppose that's a point of pride for you. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Humming Monster

[DerbyDad03]

Same with me.

[DerbyDad03]

It is...just take the appropriate steps. You've heard of filters, haven't you?

This one's on you.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:37:43 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
<inv...@something.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:57:23 -0000, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
>> would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
>> ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
>> switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
>> socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
>> configuration was implemented.
>>
>> Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
>
>What century are you living in? All my sockets have switches on them.

What country is a better question.
The part you are missing is "wall switch". This is a switch near the
door that controls a receptacle somewhere in the room. (for a lamp)
It is not a switch right on the receptacle.

[gfre...@aol.com]

They are a fairly new idea in general construction but a little harder
(expensive) to do in new construction since the NEC change that
requires a neutral at every switch location.
You now need 3 wires in a switch loop so they will feed the switch and
then 2 wire to the load.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 17:19:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03

The Limeys put switches on every outlet to make sure the electrons
don't leak out into a puddle on the floor that would electrocute the
unwary when walking past.

In North America we use "leakproof" outlets and only use switches for
convenience - and we put them in convenient locations. With duplex
outlets, we can "split" them, putting each half on different circuits,
or switching one half (for lights) while leaving one half live (for
non-lighting loads that may want to be used during daylight hours.

[Percival P. Cassidy]

On 12/22/2016 06:10 PM, trader_4 wrote:

>>> I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
>>> would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
>>> ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
>>> switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
>>> socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
>>> configuration was implemented.
>>>
>>> Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
>>
>>
>> In every house I've ever owned, the switched outlets were
>> " just 1 switched " - the other was hot. You may have the
>> necessary wires at your receptacle - perhaps a previous homeowner
>> replaced the receptacle and did it incorrectly < ? >
>> John T.
>
> Funny, in every house I've ever owned, it's been the other way.
> They are either hot or switched, not mixed. I have seen the
> mixed type and it sure sounds more convenient.

Our house was built in the 1970s, and the outlets in the living room and
bedrooms are all "split": one switched, the other permanently "live."

Perce

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 17:20:45 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03

First thing that needs to be determined is if there is a live wire
at the outlet with the switch turned off. If so, you have a "drop
switch" configuration and it is easy. It will have the black wire of
the "feed" wire-nutted to the wire to the switch, and the return from
the switch on the "gold" screw of the outlet, with the white wire of
the "feed" on the silver screw. By removing the "link" between the 2
gold screws and adding a wire to the black wirenut connection and
connecting it to the gold screw of the desired "always live" side of
the outlet, you have made one live and one switched.

If there is no live wire with the switch you have a "drop outlet"
configuration where the power comes throughthe box where the switch is
to the outlet - which is more involved to modify. Easiest way is to
replace the wite from the switch to the outlet with a 3 wire cable in
place of the 2 - with the black gouing straight through to the "always
on" and the red running from the controlled side of the switch to the
switched side. The black wire needs to be wirenutted through with a
pigtail to supply power to the switch.

Not easy to do in a finished wall without opening up the drywall or
plaster.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 21:27:06 -0500, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>The Limeys put switches on every outlet to make sure the electrons
>don't leak out into a puddle on the floor that would electrocute the
>unwary when walking past.
>
>In North America we use "leakproof" outlets and only use switches for
>convenience - and we put them in convenient locations. With duplex
>outlets, we can "split" them, putting each half on different circuits,
>or switching one half (for lights) while leaving one half live (for
>non-lighting loads that may want to be used during daylight hours.

They took that idea to New Zealand too.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20Zealand/Wangatui/Better%20plug%20cap.jpg

[Percival P. Cassidy]

On 12/22/2016 09:27 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>>>>> I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
>>>>> would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
>>>>> ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
>>>>> switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
>>>>> socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
>>>>> configuration was implemented.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In every house I've ever owned, the switched outlets were
>>>> " just 1 switched " - the other was hot. You may have the
>>>> necessary wires at your receptacle - perhaps a previous homeowner
>>>> replaced the receptacle and did it incorrectly < ? >
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>> Funny, in every house I've ever owned, it's been the other way.
>>> They are either hot or switched, not mixed.
>>
>> Same with me.
>>
>>> I have seen the
>>> mixed type and it sure sounds more convenient.
>>
>>
> The Limeys put switches on every outlet to make sure the electrons
> don't leak out into a puddle on the floor that would electrocute the
> unwary when walking past.

I recall switched plugs in the UK 50+ years ago. This way you could have
multiple devices plugged into one 3-way adapter but switch each one
individually. Those plugs had a slide switch on the top edge; now I see
ads for plugs (actually "plug tops") with push switches on the front.

> In North America we use "leakproof" outlets and only use switches for
> convenience - and we put them in convenient locations. With duplex
> outlets, we can "split" them, putting each half on different circuits,
> or switching one half (for lights) while leaving one half live (for
> non-lighting loads that may want to be used during daylight hours.

In the UK "lighting" circuits were separate from "power" circuits, fused
at 5A and >>5A (don't remember how many -- 30A??), respectively.

And remember that the UK uses 240V rather than 120V; the risk of leakage
and forming a puddle on the floor is doubled -- and the puddles would be
twice as dangerous. Or maybe not: don't forget the ring mains -- why
would the electrons leak out anyway rather than just continuing around
the ring back to the fuse box?

Perce

[DerbyDad03]

Why are you responding to my post with those instructions?

Perhaps you should be responding to the OP like I did, with basically the same
instructions...and diagrams.

[Percival P. Cassidy]

And Australia:

>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112#/media/File:Australian_dual_switched_power_point.jpg

[Gordon Shumway]

I am honored.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

They were VERY common here in Canada back in the sixties already
when many homes had no ceiling lamps in bedrooms and living room -
Lamps were king.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Zambia too - along with fused plugs instead of fused distribution
panels - along with "ring wiring"

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 18:51:49 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03

I replied "to the group" which is comonly done on news groups.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Never could figure out the actual reasoning behind it but I do know I
was often asked if I had turned off the outlet to prevent leakage when
I disconnected someting (This was in Zambia, which used the 220 volt
ring mains and switched colonial outlets in the early seventies) I
laughed. (My dad was an electrician in Canada and I had studied
electricity along with auto mechanics, electronics, machine shop, etc
at high school)

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:24:42 -0500, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>Never could figure out the actual reasoning behind it but I do know I
>was often asked if I had turned off the outlet to prevent leakage when
>I disconnected someting (This was in Zambia, which used the 220 volt
>ring mains and switched colonial outlets in the early seventies) I
>laughed. (My dad was an electrician in Canada and I had studied
>electricity along with auto mechanics, electronics, machine shop, etc
>at high school)

Maybe the thought is at 230v, the arc takes longer to extinguish when
you pull put a plug under load and the switch is designed to do it
better.

[Bod]

These are typical mmains sockets in the UK.

[Bod]

> Whoops! here's the link:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mains-Double-Socket-Twin-charging-x/dp/B00MY70FMA

[DerbyDad03]

Nice try.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:10:06 +0000, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:



> > Whoops! here's the link:
>https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mains-Double-Socket-Twin-charging-x/dp/B00MY70FMA

What is the one with the 2 round holes

[Al Goar]

It depends on the type of electricity.

Nuclear power has a small amount of residual radiation that can leak from devices. While coal seems safe, power generated from coal often releases small amounts of carbon monoxide into the home. Probably the safest is hydro power but water can condense
out and corrode the connections. Since the oceans are becoming more acidic, I'd expect to see inter-granular corrosion appearing in aluminum mains wiring too.

[hub...@ccanoemail.ca]

>>
>>> Never could figure out the actual reasoning behind it but I do know I
>>> was often asked if I had turned off the outlet to prevent leakage when
>>> I disconnected someting (This was in Zambia, which used the 220 volt
>>> ring mains and switched colonial outlets in the early seventies) I
>>> laughed. (My dad was an electrician in Canada and I had studied
>>> electricity along with auto mechanics, electronics, machine shop, etc
>>> at high school)


>> Maybe the thought is at 230v, the arc takes longer to extinguish when
>> you pull put a plug under load and the switch is designed to do it
>> better.

>
>It depends on the type of electricity.
>Nuclear power has a small amount of residual radiation that can leak from devices.
>While coal seems safe, power generated from coal often releases small amounts
>of carbon monoxide into the home. Probably the safest is hydro power but
>water can condense out and corrode the connections.

Another hazard - if you get your power from solar-electric -
never stare directly into the receptacle with the un-shielded eye !

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Voltage is nothing to do with the convenience of a switch.

--
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[James Wilkinson Sword]

Makes more sense to have the switch no the socket, then it's clear what it's for and where to find it.

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[Uncle Monster]

On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 10:00:59 AM UTC-6, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

I could always add a switch next to an outlet which would be fine for a kitchen counter or workbench. I actually had switches for the outlets on my workbench. The problem here in the States is that most of our electrical outlets are around foot off the floor so bending down to turn something on and off could be difficult especially if the outlet is behind a couch. Back at my home, I have two switches on the wall inside next to the front door. One is for the porch light and the other controls the outlet under the front window for a lamp so one can turn it on when entering a dark house. The rest of the electrical outlets including those above the kitchen counters are not switched. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Outdone Monster

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Most of ours are a foot off the floor too, but they all have switches. Of course you don't have to use them, you can leave them on and use the appliance's switch. But in the case of some things, I want to switch them off at the wall too incase someone (or a cat) knocks the appliance switch and makes it come on when it shouldn't (like a heater, toasted sandwich maker, or other hot device which could set something on fire when I'm not around to put it out). And things like soldering irons don't tend to have appliance switches.

--
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[DerbyDad03]

On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 11:01:38 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:19:20 -0000, <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:37:43 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
> > <inv...@something.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:57:23 -0000, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
> >>> would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
> >>> ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
> >>> switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
> >>> socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
> >>> configuration was implemented.
> >>>
> >>> Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
> >>
> >> What century are you living in? All my sockets have switches on them.
> >
> > What country is a better question.
> > The part you are missing is "wall switch". This is a switch near the
> > door that controls a receptacle somewhere in the room. (for a lamp)
> > It is not a switch right on the receptacle.
>
> Makes more sense to have the switch no the socket, then it's clear what it's for and where to find it.
>

You are absolutely correct sir! It makes much more sense to move the couch
away from the receptacle or reach down into a corner every time you want to
turn a lamp on or off. No sense in using a switch that is right next to
the entrance to the room.

I can't believe that no one in the US has thought of that after lo, these
many decades. I'm going to grab my tools and fix my house right now. Hopefully
I will start a movement that eliminates the senseless inconvenience of how
we have been doing it for so long.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <8092f27c-43ac-4a59...@googlegroups.com>,
uncl...@gmail.com says...

>
> --
> >
>
> I could always add a switch next to an outlet which would be fine for a kitchen counter or workbench. I actually had switches for the outlets on my workbench. The problem here in the States is that most of our electrical outlets are around foot off the floor so bending down to turn something on and off could be difficult especially if the outlet is behind a couch. Back at my home, I have two switches on the

wall inside next to the front door. One is for the porch light and the other controls the outlet under the front window for a lamp so one can turn it on when entering a dark house. The rest of the electrical outlets including those above the kitchen counters are not switched. ?(?)?
>
One of the outlets in my house is switched on with the wall switch where
you come into the room. The house was built around 1985.

For some reason one of the lights in a room comes on when the switch is
down and off when up. Not sure if it is a 3 way switch that I can't
find another switch for , of if someone just installed it upside down.
Thought about looking and changing it, but just too lazey. That light is
seldom used anyway.

[Bod]

Screw holes for fixing the socket to a patress.

[trader_4]

On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 11:01:38 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:19:20 -0000, <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:37:43 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
> > <inv...@something.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:57:23 -0000, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
> >>> would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
> >>> ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
> >>> switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
> >>> socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
> >>> configuration was implemented.
> >>>
> >>> Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
> >>
> >> What century are you living in? All my sockets have switches on them.
> >
> > What country is a better question.
> > The part you are missing is "wall switch". This is a switch near the
> > door that controls a receptacle somewhere in the room. (for a lamp)
> > It is not a switch right on the receptacle.
>
> Makes more sense to have the switch no the socket, then it's clear what it's for and where to find it.
>

Yeah, that works real great for a floor lamp. When you enter the room
in the dark, you can move the sofa, crawl behind it, to turn on the switch
for the floor lamp. Idiot.

[Bod]

You have the choice to leave the socket switch in the on position.
Some people like to switch, say, a tv completely off and not to leave it
on standby.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Show me a floor lamp without its own switch.

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He didn't think it was best for her.
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It ate her.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

I remember when VCRs came out, it took years to convince my dad it was easier to leave the VCR on all night than to reset the fucking clock every time you wanted to record something!

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[James Wilkinson Sword]

That's the normal way. Down for on, off for up.

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[James Wilkinson Sword]

People still install PLASTIC sockets? Ugh! Mine are all brass. Some people prefer chrome, but not plastic ffs.

--
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Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman.
Stuff you pay good money for later in life. -- Elmo Phillips

[Dave C]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:57:23 -0500, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
>would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
>ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
>switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
>socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
>configuration was implemented.
>
>Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks

Thanks to the Many responder for the extensive, timely advise. With
your advise I now have a switched/ half hot outlet.

[Dave C]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:51:57 -0600, Gordon Shumway
<Rho...@Planet.Melmac> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:57:23 -0500, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
>>would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
>>ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
>>switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
>>socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
>>configuration was implemented.
>>
>>Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
>

>If you have to ask, my advice would be to call an electrician. You don't want to start a fire.

I asked because I did not know how to do a specific home wiring task.
I knew the solution was simple, well within my capabilities -your
snide comment ignored.

BTW: I am a degreed electrical engineer - though my area of
knowledge/ experience is in designing Electronic Warfare microwave
systems. You can ask me how to design/build a 70 dB DR DLVA 15 MHz
video BW device and I will assist you - as used in ESM RWR receivers

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:01:28 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
<inv...@something.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:19:20 -0000, <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>

>> What country is a better question.
>> The part you are missing is "wall switch". This is a switch near the
>> door that controls a receptacle somewhere in the room. (for a lamp)
>> It is not a switch right on the receptacle.
>
>Makes more sense to have the switch no the socket, then it's clear what it's for and where to find it.

If the receptacle has a lamp plugged into it and you are entering the
room, a switch on the wall by the door is a whole lot more convenient
than pulling out the table and reaching behind it to get to the
switch. ;-)

This is actually driven by the code. It is required to have a
lighting outlet (luminaire or a receptacle) in every habitable room.
Nobody feels the need for a switch at every receptacle since virtually
all equipment has a switch on it.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:36:51 -0000, <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:01:28 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
> <inv...@something.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:19:20 -0000, <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>> What country is a better question.
>>> The part you are missing is "wall switch". This is a switch near the
>>> door that controls a receptacle somewhere in the room. (for a lamp)
>>> It is not a switch right on the receptacle.
>>
>> Makes more sense to have the switch no the socket, then it's clear what it's for and where to find it.
>
> If the receptacle has a lamp plugged into it and you are entering the
> room, a switch on the wall by the door is a whole lot more convenient
> than pulling out the table and reaching behind it to get to the
> switch. ;-)

Floor lamps have foot-activated switches. Table lamps have a switch on the cord or next to the bulb, or the fancy ones you touch the base and it detects you by capacitance.

> This is actually driven by the code. It is required to have a
> lighting outlet (luminaire or a receptacle) in every habitable room.
> Nobody feels the need for a switch at every receptacle since virtually
> all equipment has a switch on it.

What a stupid code. We have lights on the ceiling, with a switch by the door (or in my case a PIR).

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 17:24:10 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
<inv...@something.com> wrote:

>Most of ours are a foot off the floor too, but they all have switches. Of course you don't have to use them, you can leave them on and use the appliance's switch. But in the case of some things, I want to switch them off at the wall too incase someone (or a cat) knocks the appliance switch and makes it come on when it shouldn't (like a heater, toasted sandwich maker, or other hot device which could set something on fire when I'm not around to put it out). And things like soldering irons don't tend to have appliance switches.

We just unplug things like that.

[Bod]

> Ha! I remember my inlaws switching *every* socket off every night
before bed.

[Bod]

My thoughts exactly.

[Bod]

Is the word *advise*(in the context that you are using the word) instead
of *advice* the way it is spelt in the US?

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:23:43 +0000, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> What is the one with the 2 round holes
>>
>Screw holes for fixing the socket to a patress.

My bad.
I looked around and I was thinking about the CEE/7 that is used on the
other side of the channel. I just knew we used to get a cord like that
with equipment here now and then, in addition to the US cord set. I
thought it was UK but I guess it was continental Europe.
When I cut off the plug, I also saw it was the european color code on
the wire (Blue, brown and green/yellow).

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:52:37 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
<inv...@something.com> wrote:

>That's the normal way. Down for on, off for up.

Not here.

[Bod]

Correct.

[Retired]

In the US, *advice* would have been more correct.

BTW, in the US we use *spelled*, not *spelt*

http://writingexplained.org/spelt-or-spelled-difference

Who said we are "Two countries divided by a common language" ?

[Bod]

Really?

[Bod]

> :-) Both of us recognise every word in spite of some different
spellings, ie: it's still English.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Actually, it seems to change depending what you're doing. For example I find it odd that my Renault requires me to push the lever down to turn the wipers on. Every other car has been up.

And why is it taps for water and gas are anticlockwise for more, yet volume controls and electric cookers are clockwise for more?

--
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I'd rather we all asked our consciences before the law.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Not that I've had a lightswitch in my house for a decade. They're all automated. The cats can turn them on too.

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[James Wilkinson Sword]

I know two people who think electricity leaks out of a socket if no plug is in it.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Switches are easier. Especially with UK plugs which have a habit of sitting with the prongs straight up. There's a statistic which may be made up that more people are injured in the UK by standing on upturned plugs than by electric shock.

--
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[Ralph Mowery]

In article <op.ysxtd...@red.lan>, inv...@something.com says...

>
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:12:58 -0000, Ralph Mowery <rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > For some reason one of the lights in a room comes on when the switch is
> > down and off when up. Not sure if it is a 3 way switch that I can't
> > find another switch for , of if someone just installed it upside down.
> > Thought about looking and changing it, but just too lazey. That light is
> > seldom used anyway.
>
> That's the normal way. Down for on, off for up.

Could be where you are, but in the US (atleast southern US) it is up for
on. All the other switches that are single and not the 3 way types are
up for on. Same as everywhere I have been in the US.

[bob haller]

its far less work and less hassle to just install another outlet nearby and wire it always on.......

[James Wilkinson Sword]

I'd expect this backward nonsense form Australia....

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[Percival P. Cassidy]

On 12/23/2016 03:00 PM, Bod wrote:

>>>> I could always add a switch next to an outlet which would be fine for
>>>> a kitchen counter or workbench. I actually had switches for the
>>>> outlets on my workbench. The problem here in the States is that most
>>>> of our electrical outlets are around foot off the floor so bending
>>>> down to turn something on and off could be difficult especially if
>>>> the outlet is behind a couch. Back at my home, I have two switches on
>>>> the
>>> wall inside next to the front door. One is for the porch light and the
>>> other controls the outlet under the front window for a lamp so one can
>>> turn it on when entering a dark house. The rest of the electrical
>>> outlets including those above the kitchen counters are not switched.
>>> ?(?)?
>>>>
>>> One of the outlets in my house is switched on with the wall switch where
>>> you come into the room. The house was built around 1985.
>>>
>>> For some reason one of the lights in a room comes on when the switch is
>>> down and off when up. Not sure if it is a 3 way switch that I can't
>>> find another switch for , of if someone just installed it upside down.
>>> Thought about looking and changing it, but just too lazey. That light is
>>> seldom used anyway.
>>
>> That's the normal way. Down for on, off for up.
>>
> My thoughts exactly.

That's the system with which I grew up in the UK, but there is logic in
the opposite arrangement, especially with toggle switches: if something
falls and hits the switch, it is switching a circuit off rather than on.

Perce

[Tekkie®]

Al Goar posted for all of us...


>
> On 12/23/2016 12:07 AM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:24:42 -0500, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> >
> >> Never could figure out the actual reasoning behind it but I do know I
> >> was often asked if I had turned off the outlet to prevent leakage when
> >> I disconnected someting (This was in Zambia, which used the 220 volt
> >> ring mains and switched colonial outlets in the early seventies) I
> >> laughed. (My dad was an electrician in Canada and I had studied
> >> electricity along with auto mechanics, electronics, machine shop, etc
> >> at high school)

> > Maybe the thought is at 230v, the arc takes longer to extinguish when
> > you pull put a plug under load and the switch is designed to do it
> > better.
>
> It depends on the type of electricity.
>
> Nuclear power has a small amount of residual radiation that can leak from devices. While coal seems safe, power generated from coal often releases small amounts of carbon monoxide into the home. Probably the safest is hydro power but water can condense
> out and corrode the connections. Since the oceans are becoming more acidic, I'd expect to see inter-granular corrosion appearing in aluminum mains wiring too.

Well Al, what about solar power? Can one use the wiring for a flashlight?
What about wind power? Do it suck or blow at the end of the wire? I thought
those plastic stoppers were to keep them from leaking.

--
Tekkie

[FromTheRafters]

Ralph Mowery was thinking very hard :

If you mount them wrong, they're down for NO.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:49:50 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
<inv...@something.com> wrote:

>> This is actually driven by the code. It is required to have a
>> lighting outlet (luminaire or a receptacle) in every habitable room.
>> Nobody feels the need for a switch at every receptacle since virtually
>> all equipment has a switch on it.
>
>What a stupid code. We have lights on the ceiling, with a switch by the door (or in my case a PIR).
>

It sounds like the same rule there. The light on the ceiling is a
"luminaire" but you can also just have a receptacle on that switch.
(for a lamp) Ceiling lights were out of fashion here for a while so
the code was amended. Now everyone wants a fan with a light in it so
the code had to upgrade those ceiling boxes to handle a 50 pound fan.

[gfre...@aol.com]

I noticed that in New Zealand too. Maybe it has something to do with
driving on the wrong side of the road. The in and out door at a store
is backward too. ;-)

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:28:16 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
<inv...@something.com> wrote:

>Not that I've had a lightswitch in my house for a decade. They're all automated. The cats can turn them on too.
>

My "walking around" lights, inside and out are PIR but the light in
the bedrooms and "task lights" are on switches.
It is still fairly unusual here tho.
I started with the motion light in the kitchen after I found the wife
and daughter using the fridge light as a night light. Sometimes it
would stay open until morning. I have rope under the toe kicks and
over the train track so you can see enough to get a drink or a quick
snack.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:34:53 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> That's the normal way. Down for on, off for up.
>
>Could be where you are, but in the US (atleast southern US) it is up for
>on.

The code does not define up or down with snap switches but it does say
up is on for circuit breakers and unit disconnects that operate up and
down. There is no preference on side to side operation.
This probably came from the code rule about knife switches where it
says gravity shall not tend to move a switch to the on position.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

The limeys "open" a switch to turn something on, too, while the rest
of the world "close" it.

[Gordon Shumway]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:28:57 -0500, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:51:57 -0600, Gordon Shumway
><Rho...@Planet.Melmac> wrote:

>
>>On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:57:23 -0500, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
>>>would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
>>>ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
>>>switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
>>>socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
>>>configuration was implemented.
>>>
>>>Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
>>

>>If you have to ask, my advice would be to call an electrician. You don't want to start a fire.
>
>I asked because I did not know how to do a specific home wiring task.
>I knew the solution was simple, well within my capabilities -your
>snide comment ignored.

Just to set the record straight my advice was not snide. Not knowing your capabilities it was appropriate.

>BTW: I am a degreed electrical engineer - though my area of
>knowledge/ experience is in designing Electronic Warfare microwave
>systems. You can ask me how to design/build a 70 dB DR DLVA 15 MHz
>video BW device and I will assist you - as used in ESM RWR receivers

Snide mode activated. If you're a EE you must have been at the bottom of your class.

Snide mode deactivated.

[Percival P. Cassidy]

On 12/23/2016 05:34 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>>> That's the normal way. Down for on, off for up.
>>
>> Not here.
> The limeys "open" a switch to turn something on, too, while the rest
> of the world "close" it.

Never heard it in the UK 50+ years ago. But the Chinese open lights and
close them; I don't recall whether they used the same words for the
switches themselves.

Perce

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 17:34:01 -0500, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

> The limeys "open" a switch to turn something on, too, while the rest
>of the world "close" it.

Probably a throw back to the analogy of electricity to water in a pipe
and opening a valve

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Safety conscious pussy.

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[James Wilkinson Sword]

You mount them the way you want them. Do not give in to communists! You can choose how your own house works!

[James Wilkinson Sword]

There shouldn't be a code. Do what you want in your own house, or there is no freedom. You guys built America so you were the land of the free, then you let your government dictate to you how you operate your own fucking lights!

--
A bird in the hand is always greener than the grass under the other guy's bushes.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

You're so sad that you remember which side in and out usually is?

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[James Wilkinson Sword]

I have everything by a PIR, mostly mounted in place of the old wall switch, except the large living room where I have 3 PIRs as you can often be out of sight of one.

--
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The lady asks her, "Whose baby is it?"
The blonde says, "Well, I don't know they are going to do blood tests, but I think it's mine."

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Circuit breakers are operated with a spring. The code specifying up or down for off is fucking beyond a joke. Do these red tape fuckwits have nothing better to do with their lives?

--
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[James Wilkinson Sword]

No, closing a switch turns it on, this is a scientific fact and indisputable and the same in every country. Are you a woman or a man today Clare?

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[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 00:22:53 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
<inv...@something.com> wrote:

>> It sounds like the same rule there. The light on the ceiling is a
>> "luminaire" but you can also just have a receptacle on that switch.
>> (for a lamp) Ceiling lights were out of fashion here for a while so
>> the code was amended. Now everyone wants a fan with a light in it so
>> the code had to upgrade those ceiling boxes to handle a 50 pound fan.
>
>There shouldn't be a code. Do what you want in your own house, or there is no freedom. You guys built America so you were the land of the free, then you let your government dictate to you how you operate your own fucking lights!
>
>--

I agree but it is what it is.
If it makes you feel better, the code really only affects builders.
Once you move in you will never see an inspector again if you never
get a permit for anything.
I seldom do and when I do I get to the place where they will sign off
the permit as fast as I can and then do what I want.
I believe in the intent of the code, safety, but I am willing to avoid
some of the BS if it is not dangerous.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 00:23:22 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
<inv...@something.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:20:45 -0000, <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:00:17 +0000, Bod <bodr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/12/2016 18:52, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>>
>>>> That's the normal way. Down for on, off for up.
>>>>
>>> My thoughts exactly.
>>
>> I noticed that in New Zealand too. Maybe it has something to do with
>> driving on the wrong side of the road. The in and out door at a store
>> is backward too. ;-)
>
>You're so sad that you remember which side in and out usually is?

I notice when I walk up to the door that is supposed to be the in and
it opens toward me with someone coming out.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 00:25:45 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
<inv...@something.com> wrote:

>> The code does not define up or down with snap switches but it does say
>> up is on for circuit breakers and unit disconnects that operate up and
>> down. There is no preference on side to side operation.
>> This probably came from the code rule about knife switches where it
>> says gravity shall not tend to move a switch to the on position.
>
>Circuit breakers are operated with a spring. The code specifying up or down for off is fucking beyond a joke. Do these red tape fuckwits have nothing better to do with their lives?
>

Since most panels have breakers going side to side, it is really not
that big a deal. The knife switch is really an archaic thing. I doubt
most people here have ever even seen one except in the movies.
They do want disconnects to be installed in a uniform way, just to
avoid confusion when someone may need to operate it in a hurry

[Mark Lloyd]

On 12/23/2016 04:34 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

[snip]

> The limeys "open" a switch to turn something on, too, while the rest
> of the world "close" it.
>

That might have come from gas lights, where you OPEN the valve when you
want light.

--
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AM for 1 day).

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"I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."

[Mark Lloyd]

On 12/23/2016 01:49 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

[snip]

>
> Floor lamps have foot-activated switches. Table lamps have a switch on
> the cord or next to the bulb, or the fancy ones you touch the base and
> it detects you by capacitance.

I've never seen a lamp with a foot switch. Most lamps (floor or table,
doesn't matter) I see have a switch built into the socket. I do have a
couple of touch lamps, including one that "touches" itself.

[snip]

[Mark Lloyd]

On 12/23/2016 02:08 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:52:37 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
> <inv...@something.com> wrote:
>
>> That's the normal way. Down for on, off for up.
>

> Not here.
>

It's possible it was a replacement switch and the wires were too short
to turn it the right way. I've had one like that.

[Mark Lloyd]

I have a string of red LED holiday lights in the hall. These are called
"Lilly's Lights", after a small cat I used to have. She often slept in
the hall are the lights were to avoid stepping on her.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/23/2016 9:15 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 12/23/2016 01:49 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> Floor lamps have foot-activated switches. Table lamps have a switch on
>> the cord or next to the bulb, or the fancy ones you touch the base and
>> it detects you by capacitance.
>
> I've never seen a lamp with a foot switch. Most lamps (floor or table,
> doesn't matter) I see have a switch built into the socket. I do have a
> couple of touch lamps, including one that "touches" itself.
>
> [snip]
>

Bought a new floor lamp about 12 years ago. Foot switch with dimmer.
First time I saw one

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:15:38 -0600, Mark Lloyd <n...@mail.invalid>
wrote:

>I've never seen a lamp with a foot switch.

They were pretty common years ago here. You can still buy the
switches.

<http://www.mylampparts.com/Departments/SWITCHES/PUSH-BUTTON-SWITCHES/METAL-TWO-CIRCUIT-PUSH-BUTTONS.aspx>

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:15:38 -0600, Mark Lloyd <n...@mail.invalid>
wrote:

>On 12/23/2016 01:49 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>
>> Floor lamps have foot-activated switches. Table lamps have a switch on
>> the cord or next to the bulb, or the fancy ones you touch the base and
>> it detects you by capacitance.
>
>I've never seen a lamp with a foot switch. Most lamps (floor or table,
>doesn't matter) I see have a switch built into the socket. I do have a
>couple of touch lamps, including one that "touches" itself.
>
>[snip]

It's another British thing. Push-on push-off switches on the base of
floor lamps were somewhat common in the British colonies as well (I
ran across a few in Zambia) - If you tripped over the light in the
dark it would turn on - or if you tripped over something in the dark
and banged your head on the lamp. I always found the darn things to be
a royal pain in the tush.

[Uncle Monster]

On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 12:33:13 PM UTC-6, Bod wrote:
> On 23/12/2016 18:25, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 11:01:38 AM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> >> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:19:20 -0000, <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:37:43 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
> >>> <inv...@something.com> wrote:

> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:57:23 -0000, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
> >>>>> would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
> >>>>> ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
> >>>>> switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
> >>>>> socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
> >>>>> configuration was implemented.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
> >>>>

> >>>> What century are you living in? All my sockets have switches on them.
> >>>
> >>> What country is a better question.
> >>> The part you are missing is "wall switch". This is a switch near the
> >>> door that controls a receptacle somewhere in the room. (for a lamp)
> >>> It is not a switch right on the receptacle.
> >>
> >> Makes more sense to have the switch no the socket, then it's clear what it's for and where to find it.
> >>
> >
> > Yeah, that works real great for a floor lamp. When you enter the room
> > in the dark, you can move the sofa, crawl behind it, to turn on the switch
> > for the floor lamp. Idiot.
> >
> You have the choice to leave the socket switch in the on position.
> Some people like to switch, say, a tv completely off and not to leave it
> on standby.

The old "Instant On" tube type TV sets used a lot of power on standby to keep the CRT and vacuum tube filaments half powered so the set would come on more or less instantly. My LED TV might draw a few milliamps when it's off to keep the IR remote control circuitry active so it would be silly to unplug or kill the power to it. ヽ(•‿•)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Instant Monster

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:12:44 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
<uncl...@gmail.com> wrote:


>The old "Instant On" tube type TV sets used a lot of power on standby to keep the CRT and vacuum tube filaments half powered so the set would come on more or less instantly. My LED TV might draw a few milliamps when it's off to keep the IR remote control circuitry active so it would be silly to unplug or kill the power to it.

?(•?•)?
>
>[8~{} Uncle Instant Monster

"Smart" TVs will draw more because there is a processor running all
the time and even loafing along, it is still going to draw something.
Cranked up it can stream and process 1080 HD content so that makes it
a pretty powerful PC.

[Uncle Monster]

On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 12:52:46 PM UTC-6, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:12:58 -0000, Ralph Mowery <rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>

> > In article <8092f27c-43ac-4a59...@googlegroups.com>,
> > fr...@me.com says...
> >> --

> >> I could always add a switch next to an outlet which would be fine for a kitchen counter or workbench. I actually had switches for the outlets on my workbench. The problem here in the States is that most of our electrical outlets are around foot off the floor so bending down to turn something on and off could be difficult especially if the outlet is behind a couch. Back at my home, I have two switches on the
> > wall inside next to the front door. One is for the porch light and the other controls the outlet under the front window for a lamp so one can turn it on when entering a dark house. The rest of the electrical outlets including those above the kitchen counters are not switched. ?(?)?
> >>
> > One of the outlets in my house is switched on with the wall switch where
> > you come into the room. The house was built around 1985.
> >

> > For some reason one of the lights in a room comes on when the switch is
> > down and off when up. Not sure if it is a 3 way switch that I can't
> > find another switch for , of if someone just installed it upside down.
> > Thought about looking and changing it, but just too lazey. That light is
> > seldom used anyway.
>

> That's the normal way. Down for on, off for up.

> --
>

Here a light switch is toggled into the up position for "ON". you Limeys do things backwards. Heck, you even drive on the wrong side of the road. Strange for a seafaring nation where ships traditionally pass to the right when approaching each other. I thought that would have happened on roadways there too. My British cousins do seem to be contrarians. I believe that's why we divorced. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Related Monster

[Uncle Monster]

On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Bod wrote:
> On 23/12/2016 19:16, Dave C wrote:

> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:57:23 -0500, Dave C <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have an AC wall socket, currently controlled by a wall switch. I
> >> would like to change that outlet, so the one of the plugs is always
> >> ON. The other plug would remaqin as is, ergo controlled by the wall
> >> switch. I purchased a prior house with that configuartion for one
> >> socket. Alas I never looked to see how that "split" outlet
> >> configuration was implemented.
> >>
> >> Can one inform me, how to make this change? Thanks
> >
> >

> > Thanks to the Many responder for the extensive, timely advise. With
> > your advise I now have a switched/ half hot outlet.
> >
> Is the word *advise*(in the context that you are using the word) instead
> of *advice* the way it is spelt in the US?

Advice /ədˈvīs/, noun,"Guidance or recommendations concerning prudent future action, typically given by someone regarded as knowledgeable or authoritative."

Advise /ədˈvīz/,verb advise 3rd person present advises past tense advised past participle advised gerund or present participle advising,"Offer suggestions about the best course of action to someone."

English is a funny, hard to learn language full of contradictions. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

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