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Dude

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Dec 20, 2002, 5:44:24 PM12/20/02
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we recently got a honeywell programmable thermostat (one of the cheaper
models)

it keeps heating even when the temperature is reached. the digital thermo
shows 23 degrees, it's set for 23 degrees but still heats, until the house
reaches 24 degrees. is this normal or is it just the cheap thermostat we
got?


Charlie Spitzer

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Dec 20, 2002, 5:57:29 PM12/20/02
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"Dude" <du...@sweetness.com> wrote in message
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it has a feedback loop so it doesn't shortcycle. it turns off the heater,
but the blower will continue to blow which may raise the temp a little bit
more. set it for 22.

William W. Plummer

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Dec 20, 2002, 6:09:14 PM12/20/02
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One degree overshoot isn't bad. But many thermostats have an
"anticipator", a resistor near the sensor that heats up, which attempts to
compensate for the problem you have having. Usually there is a dial on the
circuit board with a slider that lets you adjust the anticipator. So, if
your heat source is a fair distance from the thermostat, try adjusting the
anticipator.

Another factor to consider is the hysteresis that is built into the
thermostat to prevent oscillating. This is a deadband centered on the
temperature setting. Heat will continue until the temp gets (say) a degree
over the setting. As the house cools down, heat won't turn on until the
temp gets (say) a degree below the setting.

--Bill


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Dude

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Dec 20, 2002, 6:56:53 PM12/20/02
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"Charlie Spitzer" <charlie...@nospam.stratus.com> wrote in message
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>
> it has a feedback loop so it doesn't shortcycle. it turns off the heater,
> but the blower will continue to blow which may raise the temp a little bit
> more. set it for 22.

I forgot to mention this is an oil/hot water system

so when it's on, it's really on. there's only 2 options: on or off.


Gfretwell

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Dec 20, 2002, 7:15:49 PM12/20/02
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Since this is digital this may be more precise if you set it to "F" since one
degree is about half as much. I bet it overshoots 1 degree and comes on at -1
degree from the set point giving you a 3 degree swing. Thats a lot in C.

Tim Fischer

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Dec 20, 2002, 7:52:56 PM12/20/02
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"William W. Plummer" <William...@alum.mit.edu> wrote in message
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> One degree overshoot isn't bad. But many thermostats have an
> "anticipator", a resistor near the sensor that heats up, which attempts to
> compensate for the problem you have having.

A couple of comments:

To Will -- electronic thermostats (typically) don't have anticipators. SOME
have settings that are the equivalant, some don't.

To the OP -- please watch your language.

-Tim


FnP

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Dec 20, 2002, 9:16:02 PM12/20/02
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I have my second Honeywell programmable, the first had to stay with the
house we sold. The first one was on a high-efficiency gas forced-air
system. Temperature in the house was very steady. The second one is on a
gas-fired steam system. While my display rarely shows a different temp, I
have noticed a slight variation in temp from turn-on to turn-off. Steam
radiators get HOT so I expect a little of this. Did you do whatever
adjustment was necessary to set it for hot water heat? My old one had
switches to adjust for the type of heat, this new one does it with a
programming mode. I had a Lux before the first Honeywell and the heat came
on just as people began to chill and shut off just about when the sweat
broke out.

Oh, your stat is designed for hot water heat, isn't it? I had to hunt a bit
to get one for steam. I hope this info helps.

Paul

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HeatMan

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Dec 20, 2002, 8:31:31 PM12/20/02
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It either has a heat anticipator or a cycle per hour setting.

Sounds like normal operation for a CPH tstat bought at one of the box
stores....

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Dude

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Dec 20, 2002, 9:58:28 PM12/20/02
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"Tim Fischer" <no...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> To the OP -- please watch your language.

are we still in kindergarden?


Tim Fischer

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Dec 20, 2002, 10:04:06 PM12/20/02
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"Dude" <du...@sweetness.com> wrote in message
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> are we still in kindergarden?

No, but you must be if you insist on using vulgar language for something
like this.

-Tim


Dude

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Dec 20, 2002, 11:04:35 PM12/20/02
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"Tim Fischer" <no...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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you think having one "f*cking" in the title classifies as vulgar language
that I need to watch?


nJb

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Dec 20, 2002, 11:22:16 PM12/20/02
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FnP wrote:
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> I had a Lux before the first Honeywell and the heat came
> on just as people began to chill and shut off just about when the sweat
> broke out.
>

I had a Lux and if I remember correctly it had a +/- 2F hysterisis for a
swing of 4F
--
Jack

TCS

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Dec 20, 2002, 11:21:20 PM12/20/02
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! @lw@ys w*nder why +he fuck +hese m*r*ns +h!nk +h@+ subs+!+u+!ng @ le+er
*r +w* s*meh*w m@kes @ fuck!ng d!fference.

Tim Fischer

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Dec 20, 2002, 11:23:55 PM12/20/02
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"Dude" <du...@sweetness.com> wrote in message
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>
> you think having one "f*cking" in the title classifies as vulgar language
> that I need to watch?

You comprehend well.

-Tim


Jim Yanik

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Dec 20, 2002, 11:30:37 PM12/20/02
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"Dude" <du...@sweetness.com> wrote in
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Not really. After the oil-fired heat stops heating the water,the water
still radiates heat into the room. It's called hysteresis,and that's
probably explained in your thermostat manual.

--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
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Tim Fischer

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Dec 20, 2002, 11:31:22 PM12/20/02
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"Jim Yanik" <jya...@kua.net> wrote in message
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> It's called hysteresis,and that's
> probably explained in your thermostat manual.

...which he's probably too f*cking stupid to read.

-Tim


Michael Taurus

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Dec 21, 2002, 6:27:29 AM12/21/02
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"nJb" <bobo...@xmission.com> wrote

> I had a Lux and if I remember correctly it had a +/- 2F hysterisis for a
> swing of 4F

My mom had a hysterisis and afterwards her mood swing was terrible........


Michael Taurus

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Dec 21, 2002, 6:28:13 AM12/21/02
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"Dude" <du...@sweetness.com> wrote

> are we still in kindergarden?


Are we not men?

(We are Devo)


Alan

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Dec 21, 2002, 7:23:30 AM12/21/02
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until you can spell it right...

Peter H

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Dec 21, 2002, 10:13:55 AM12/21/02
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"Michael Taurus" <WeAr...@home.now> wrote in message
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I find this whole thread hysterisis....

Peter H


Paul Erickson

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Dec 21, 2002, 10:31:16 AM12/21/02
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and that "swing" is programmable on the Lux - it's a special button pushing
combo that is described in the directions for the unit and not immediately
obvious.

-- Paul

FnP

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Dec 21, 2002, 11:34:48 AM12/21/02
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I had mine 6 or 7 years ago... and it cost, maybe $25. I got what I paid
for. The instructions said to wire it and use it, no fine-tuning. Of
course, it was the cheapest one I could find. The old manual stat was a
Honeywell round - so I went back to Honeywell. I like them, especially the
smart ones.

Paul

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mlp...@canoemail.com

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Dec 21, 2002, 11:20:53 AM12/21/02
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" Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate"

Tony Miklos

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Dec 21, 2002, 11:41:45 AM12/21/02
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You guys are hysterisisicle!

Tony Miklos

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Dec 21, 2002, 11:39:33 AM12/21/02
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LOL!

Tony Miklos

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Dec 21, 2002, 11:50:26 AM12/21/02
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As far as I'm concerned, it's the same as saying "son of a gun" instead
of "son of a bitch". What the hell is a "son of a gun" anyway? Or
"fricking" instead of "fucking", it still means the same thing. But if
a different spelling makes your day, go for it. To each is own. Sticks
and stones...

--
Tony

Oscar_lives

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Dec 21, 2002, 12:01:52 PM12/21/02
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"Dude" <du...@sweetness.com> wrote in message
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> we recently got a honeywell programmable thermostat (one of the cheaper
> models)
>
> it keeps heating even when the temperature is reached. the digital thermo
> shows 23 degrees, it's set for 23 degrees but still heats, until the house
> reaches 24 degrees. is this normal or is it just the cheap thermostat we
> got?
>
>

Honeywell has that "adaptive recovery" feature. Mine will continue calling
for heat even when actual is above setpoint. Either turn off the adaptive
recovery or toss that piece of crap out the back window.

Honeywell generally makes good stuff, but their "adaptive recovery"
engineers must be idiots.

nJb

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Dec 21, 2002, 12:20:28 PM12/21/02
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mlp...@canoemail.com wrote:
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> >
> " Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate"

Are those the residents of Inarticul?
--
Jack

Tim Fischer

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Dec 21, 2002, 12:46:58 PM12/21/02
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"Oscar_lives" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Honeywell generally makes good stuff, but their "adaptive recovery"
> engineers must be idiots.

To each his/her own, I guess. I like adaptive recovery.

Never have to come home to a cold house anymore, or "guess" when to turn the
heat on so I don't.

-Tim


Dude

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Dec 21, 2002, 2:01:17 PM12/21/02
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"Tony Miklos" <tmi...@netcarrier.com> wrote in message
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> As far as I'm concerned, it's the same as saying "son of a gun" instead
> of "son of a bitch". What the hell is a "son of a gun" anyway? Or
> "fricking" instead of "fucking", it still means the same thing. But if
> a different spelling makes your day, go for it. To each is own. Sticks
> and stones...

well it's the same as the " <beep> you, you <beep> <beep> of a <beep>" you
hear on TV, but, as soon as they "beep" it, even though everyone knows what
was said, it's all of a sudden OK.

I honestly don't care.
If my post *was* something like "! @lw@ys w*nder why +he fuck +hese m*r*ns


+h!nk +h@+ subs+!+u+!ng @ le+er

> *r +w* s*meh*w m@kes @ fuck!ng d!fference." then I'd understand, but it
wasn't.


Dude

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Dec 21, 2002, 2:02:20 PM12/21/02
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OK, I'm sorry. Next time I'll call it "gosh darn programmable thermostat"


Dude

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Dec 21, 2002, 2:03:14 PM12/21/02
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"Tim Fischer" <no...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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fuck you.


Dude

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Dec 21, 2002, 2:04:44 PM12/21/02
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"Jim Yanik" <jya...@kua.net> wrote in message
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> Not really. After the oil-fired heat stops heating the water,the water
> still radiates heat into the room. It's called hysteresis,and that's
> probably explained in your thermostat manual.

well the thermostat has a digital display that shows when it's on, demanding
heat, and when it's off.
it stays on well after the furnace actually stops because the maximum water
temperature was reached (safety thermostat at the furnace turns it off no
matter what main thermostat says)


Dude

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Dec 21, 2002, 2:06:22 PM12/21/02
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"Alan " <bogf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame31.html


Dude

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"Tim Fischer" <no...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame12.html


nJb

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Dec 21, 2002, 3:09:14 PM12/21/02
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Last night trying to watch "Love and a .45" on Brave.
"Fucking ____" was bleeped but "blow job" was OK. Figure that one out.

Jack

CBHvac

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Dec 21, 2002, 7:04:19 PM12/21/02
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Anyone see the recent episode of Leno, when Ozzie was on??
They got all but 2 Fucks that I could hear...wish I recorded it...and of
course, don't forget that NYPD Blue uses all kinds of terms...

I didn't hear a soul complain when the 9-11 documentary was aired, with no
interruption, and no censorship....everyother word was fuck...

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Jim Yanik

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"Dude" <du...@sweetness.com> wrote in
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It sounds like your thermostat is not proper for your heating system.

Jim Yanik

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"Dude" <du...@sweetness.com> wrote in
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> OK, I'm sorry. Next time I'll call it "gosh darn programmable thermostat"
>
>

You could type "G-D programmable thermostat". Or "PITA......."

Oscar_lives

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"Jim Yanik" <jya...@kua.net> wrote in message
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Either that, or something's just fucked up.


TCS

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Dec 21, 2002, 10:52:57 PM12/21/02
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In article <PT2N9.8928$m5.8...@wagner.videotron.net>, Dude wrote:
>OK, I'm sorry. Next time I'll call it "gosh darn programmable thermostat"


Next time, just call if a fucking programmable thermostat if that's the thought
you want to convey. :-P

TCS

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Hey! Watch your fucking language!

CBHvac

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Dec 22, 2002, 10:28:04 AM12/22/02
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Adaptive after 14 days will adjust itself...if not, its not working
correctly, or you have your cycles per hour off..
or its located in a bad place, or, you have a draft coming in from behind it
from the wall...

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Morrie Christmas

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Dec 22, 2002, 10:36:41 AM12/22/02
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Dude wrote:
>
> OK, I'm sorry. Next time I'll call it "gosh darn programmable thermostat"

Or, you could call it a suppository and stick it up your ass..

--
Morrie Christmas - from Maui! Mele Kalikimaka!

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These imbeciles have racked a.h.r. with worthless bullshit, useless
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Morrie Christmas

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Michael Taurus wrote:
>

>
> My mom had a hysterisis and afterwards her mood swing was terrible........

And out of that you were conceived/hatched/shit out of her entrails.

@whooville.org the Grinch

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"Morrie Christmas" wrote another useless posting

> Or, you could call it a suppository and stick it up your ass..

> just like they are doing to me at the Methodon Anonomous Users Institute.
>Maybe I will stay a little longer.

> > Morrie Christmas - from Maui - Methodon Anonomous Users Institute .


@whooville.org the Grinch

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"Morrie Christmas" wrote more useless bullshit

As an "outsider" Morrie

What do you think of the Human Race?


mlp...@canoemail.com

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Dec 22, 2002, 11:58:15 AM12/22/02
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You must be refering to the planet Inarticul, populated buy a
strange species who become incapable of coherent speech when caught
in the grip of emotion, often brought on by the frustration of a screw
up after having failed to read or fully comprehend the subtle
complexities of whatever ( insert name of new product here).

Oh and be careful how you approach one of the "Inarticulates",
especially the ones with the crutches :-)

the Grinch

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mlp...@canoemail.com wrote:
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> On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:20:28 -0700, nJb <bobo...@xmission.com> wrote:
>

> >
> >Are those the residents of Inarticul?
> >--
> >Jack

<snipped most of yours and Jack-off's nonsense incl.the stupid fucking
smiley faces>

> Oh and be careful how you approach one of the "Inarticulates",


Why don't you actually help someone with a home repair topic instead of
vomiting this sickening attempt of yours at humor upon the group.

Dude

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<mlp...@canoemail.com> wrote in message
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> You must be refering to the planet Inarticul, populated buy a

^^^
what's that saying, "people who live in glass houses"...


Tony Miklos

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the Grinch wrote:
> <snipped most of yours and Jack-off's nonsense incl.the stupid fucking
> smiley faces>


:-) You are funny. :-) You make me smile. :-) I love to smile. :-)

I love you. :-)
You love me. :-)
We're a great big family. :-)

Author: Barney

nJb

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Hey, don't be layin no smiley faces on me, I don't use them. While we're
at if that low life mother of yours would have eaten you with the
afterbirth she could have spared us all this bullshit. Give her a kick
in the cajones for me when you see her.
--
Jack


I'm just glad I don't pay for all the arty I get.

Morrie Christmas

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Dec 22, 2002, 3:24:06 PM12/22/02
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> "I'm just glad I don't pay for all the weenie I love to suck."

Right. You'd rather have a cock layed on you Jack. Damnit Grinch - u
otta be ashamed.. And you Jack, look at you, you can do better than
mommy flames of all things. Geesh.. I can't even go on vacation
without you puds completely fuckin up the works here..

--
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stupid "Bobs", Michael Baugh, Jim Yanik, j...@noname.com, Roy Hauer


"chipmAkr",
BA, Bay Area Dave, any moron who uses AOL or WEBTV, Chris Perdue, barry
martin, David Iacon, Phisherman, Polar, Calvin Henry-Cotnam, Vox Humana,

mark...@comcast.net, Wade, IGOR, and "klmok".

These imbeciles have racked a.h.r. with worthless bullshit, useless
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have little or no earthly knowledge of and in MANY case have given
advice that is potentially DANGEROUS and HARMFUL to the public.

Be especially wary of advice concerning electrical issues from IGOR,
"klmok", and Tony Hwang.

Oscar_lives

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"CBHvac" <webm...@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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> Adaptive after 14 days will adjust itself...if not, its not working
> correctly, or you have your cycles per hour off..
> or its located in a bad place, or, you have a draft coming in from behind
it
> from the wall...
>

Or its just a fucking piece of shit.

not a fan of art

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> WoW........
> I hope you dont eat with that same mouth!!!!
>

eat...........heck he even kisses his boy friend with that mouth!
Its just another useless post from Artie boy.
He has many fictitious names on this news group.
If it is a rude comment.
you can bet it is AHOLE!


CBHvac

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Dec 23, 2002, 6:51:16 PM12/23/02
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LOL...man..you opened the gates for the politically wanna be corrects....

Honeywell isnt shit...Lux...or Hunter...now..thats a fucking piece of
shit..for sure..

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Oscar_lives

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<=.=@=.=.=.=.=.=> wrote in message
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>
> >
> >Or its just a fucking piece of shit.
> >
>
> WoW........
> I hope you dont eat with that same mouth!!!!
>

I eat lots of pussy with this mouth!

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