Woodstove "plastic" smell?
HerHusband
started noticing a "plastic" smell when we are using the woodstove. It
seems to be most noticeable when we have a hot fire going. If I damper down
the fire, the smell goes away.
I assumed it was just the paint on the woodstove or chimney pipe, but the
smell never seems to burn off. And it's strong again the next time we use
the woodstove.
I've cleaned the chimney, vacuumed all dust on and around the stove,
cleaned the door, etc. I've checked the walls around the woodstove to make
sure it isn't coming from an external source, but they rarely even get warm
to the touch.
We burn only clean dry wood (fir, pine, cedar, and alder mostly), NEVER
garbage or other material that might produce the smell. In fact, we rarely
even smell smoke unless I've opened the door to load wood or something.
Our wood stove (Lopi Patriot model) also gets it's combustion air from an
external source, not from the living space.
I've checked everything I can think of. What am I missing?
Thanks,
Anthony
Bill
my chimney apart from downstairs to clean the chimney (top too high to
reach).
Anyway each year when I burn my first few fires, this stuff burns off and
gives a nasty smell. Also smokes a bit. But after this it no longer smells.
I would suggest opening all your doors and windows, then letting the fire
burn at a higher temperature a few times. Then I bet the smell will go away.
(My stove also had a bad smell when new with the first few very hot fires.
Perhaps the paint?)
"HerHusband" wrote in message
HerHusband
> take my chimney apart from downstairs to clean the chimney (top too
> high to reach).
I use a high temp silicone on my chimney pipe (recommended by the woodstove
company), but it's only above the roof line and not in our living space.
Also, it has been there since I installed the stove, and the smell only
started last year.
I previously took the lower part of my chimney apart after cleaning so I
could clean out the top of the woodstove. This usually meant it got a few
scratches and had to be repainted. Thinking the paint might be the cause of
the smell, I cleaned the stove out from the inside this year so I wouldn't
have to paint. But the smell is still there.
> I would suggest opening all your doors and windows, then letting the
> fire burn at a higher temperature a few times. Then I bet the smell
> will go away.
I'll give it a try, but I've had lots of hot fires and the smell always
seems to return.
Thanks,
Anthony
David L. Martel
If you have attic space I'd go up there and look around. Something may
be too close to your chimney or stove pipe. Are you sure about the trash?
There's a lot of plactic in junk mail.
Dave M.
HeyBub
>
> Our wood stove (Lopi Patriot model) also gets it's combustion air
> from an external source, not from the living space.
>
> I've checked everything I can think of. What am I missing?
>
The stove's made of plastic?
Steve Barker LT
steve
"HerHusband" <unk...@unknown.com> wrote in message
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Colbyt
> started noticing a "plastic" smell when we are using the woodstove. It
> seems to be most noticeable when we have a hot fire going. If I damper
> down
> the fire, the smell goes away.
>
May not be your problem but if you have small children could they have
parked a toy in a blower vent on the unit?
Mine did and took a long time for it to burn away. -:)
HerHusband
> If you have attic space I'd go up there and look around.
> Something may be too close to your chimney or stove pipe.
Nope, no attic. We have vaulted ceilings. I boxed in the chimney pipe where
it passes through the 2x12 rafter bays (with about 3" of air space between
the pipe and wood). It's capped by flashing on top and a trim ring on the
bottom. Nothing can get in there.
In addition, the smell is noticeable long before the chimney pipe is even
warm to the touch.
> Are you sure about the trash?
> There's a lot of plastic in junk mail.
Nope, I never burn paper, junk mail, or any other kind of trash. Only dry
wood (Logs, woodworking cutoffs, NO pressure treated, NO plywood). I use a
couple of "fatwood" sticks to start the fires.
Anthony
HerHusband
The new Fisher Price woodstove?
JoeSpareBedroom
When you called the manufacturer about this problem, what did they say?
HerHusband
> It's the paint. It will always do that when you get 'em extra hot.
That's what I thought, but it seems to smell long before the woodstove or
chimney pipe has gotten hot enough to cause the paint to release vapors.
Anthony
dpb
Have you used a cleaner of any sort or a touchup paint?
Are the firebricks loose in the bottom/sides or are they cemented in?
Neighbor had one (forget the maker) where it broke down after some time
whereas the Fisher I had just had loose brick mechanically restrained.
Does it come at the beginning of a fire and then lessen? If so, perhaps
it's a moisture accumulation related problem?
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Steve Barker LT
We've had our woodstove for about four years now. Late last year, we
started noticing a "plastic" smell when we are using the woodstove. It
seems to be most noticeable when we have a hot fire going. If I damper down
the fire, the smell goes away.
so i thought that it was only when it was extra hot.
steve
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HerHusband
The only cleaner I use is a glass cleaner for the inside of the door. "Red
Devil" I think. It works really well for cleaning the glass, and I've been
using it longer than the smell has been occurring. I've never noticed any
smell or residue from the cleaner.
I have used touchup paint on the chimney in previous years where it got
scratched during cleaning. But I tried to avoid that this year by cleaning
the woodstove from the inside instead of from the top.
> Are the firebricks loose in the bottom/sides or are they cemented in?
Ours are loose laid, held in place by brackets. I checked them when I
cleaned the woodstove, and they all look in good condition.
> Does it come at the beginning of a fire and then lessen? If so,
> perhaps it's a moisture accumulation related problem?
It does seem to occur more at the start of the fire, but we have noticed it
later in the evening too.
The only repeatable thing I have been able to determine is when the damper
is fully open and the fire is burning hot. It's not necessarily when the
woodstove is hot, just the fire is burning strong.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Anthony
HerHusband
> i thought that it was only when it was extra hot.
I notice it most when the "fire" is burning strong and hot. This can occur
when we first start the fire and the stove is still cold, or it can occur
later in the evening if I open the damper and get the fire going strong
again.
Thanks for your thoughts and input.
Anthony
JoeSpareBedroom
When you called the stove manufacturer, what insights did they offer, if
any?
dpb
What's the wood supply and how is it stored?
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Smitty Two
HerHusband <unk...@unknown.com> wrote:
I'd be suspicious about that fatwood. I think some of it is fake, soaked
in oil maybe. Try a fire or two made the boy scout way, and see whether
you still get the smell.
pacificenergy
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:
Hi,
Just wondering if you've solved the mystery of your woodstove smell yet.
I have a very similar problem and have taken the same steps you have. I
have yet to try a fire with the insulation pad removed from my Pacific
Energy stove. This was a suggestion as the pad could have become
contaminated by something, although it looks and smells fine to me. I
have spoken to three different dealers for this stove and none can offer
any suggestions or solutions. Very frustrating. Hope you can help.
Thanks in advance.
Andre Levesque
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> Thanks,
> Anthony
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HerHusband
> Just wondering if you've solved the mystery of your woodstove smell
> yet. I have a very similar problem and have taken the same steps you
> have. I have yet to try a fire with the insulation pad removed from
> my Pacific Energy stove. This was a suggestion as the pad could have
> become contaminated by something, although it looks and smells fine to
> me. I have spoken to three different dealers for this stove and none
> can offer any suggestions or solutions. Very frustrating. Hope you
> can help. Thanks in advance.
Unfortunately, no. We fired up the woodstove last night, for the first
time this season, and noticed the chemical smell again. It was very
faint, but still there.
I just cleaned the chimney and woodstove out last week, including
vacuuming all the ashes and everything out so nothing would be left in
there to create a smell. We don't have any kind of pad in our stove.
Like you said, it's frustrating... :)
Anthony
jim
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My pacific energy woodstove insert does that each year for the first
few fires. I thought it might have been the crap atop the stove that
makes it's way in each summer (dust etc) but that was not the case. I
am convinced it is the paint. I think that the owner of the home
before me who installed the stove did not follow the directions for
the first fires that would properly bake in the paint job.
Una
> We fired up the woodstove last night, for the first
>time this season, and noticed the chemical smell again.
You say you notice it when the *fire* is hot, not when the *stove*
is hot. That suggests the problem is related to creosote buildup
in the chimney.
Una
HerHusband
> is hot. That suggests the problem is related to creosote buildup
> in the chimney.
Just a poor choice of words...
The smell is most noticeable when the woodstove has heated up and I get a
good fire roaring in it. If I damper it down, the smell dissipates.
I thoroughly clean our chimney every summer with the appropriate wire brush
and rods, and completely remove the previous winters ashes, including
vacuuming any ash that falls down the chimney and builds up on the top of
the firebricks.
It has to be paint related, as it's the same smell we had when we first got
the woodstove. I expect it the first few fires, but eventually I would
think it would cure or burn off...
Anthony
jim
The procedure for "seasoning" new stoves is to burn several small
fires before burning a long, hot fire. During these "seasoning" fires,
most of the paint burn-in will take place. But the first few times you
fire the stove high, you may get some residual burn-in odor. After
five or six fires, it should stop as it does with ours (1-2) burns. I
know it's a hassle but if your continues to off gas paint odors I'd
consider removing it, sandblasting the thing and repainting it then do
a good seasoning of the stove. Or you can continue breathing in toxic
fumes.
Una
>The smell is most noticeable when the woodstove has heated up and I get a
>good fire roaring in it. If I damper it down, the smell dissipates.
This is more consistent with creosote than curing paint, but since you
say the odor was strongest when the stove was new, curing paint likely
is the culprit.
>I thoroughly clean our chimney every summer with the appropriate wire brush
>and rods,
Brushing won't remove much creosote.
Una
HerHusband
How would you clean your chimney then?
My woodstove manual, and EVERY chimney care maintenance I have ever read
recommends a properly fitting wire chimney brush and annual cleaning.
Anthony
Una
>> Brushing won't remove much creosote.
HerHusband <unk...@unknown.com> wrote:
>How would you clean your chimney then?
By brushing. The chimney benefits from brushing anyway, because creosote
isn't the only issue. But to deal with creosote you have basically three
options: burn only well cured low resin wood or be very judicious about
which kind of wood goes in the stove when, use a stove that has a
catalytic converter, or be prepared for periodic chimney fires.
Una
hartsong
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hartsong wrote:
We are using a wood stove in our basement to supplement heat and I have
started to
notice a \"plastic like smell\" especially when I\'ve rekindled a fire and
got it
going nice and hot. Any ideas? Haven\'t used any paint etc. just burning a
lot of
wood keeping the fire going for heat in the house. Thanks for any input.
Bob
hartsong
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hartsong wrote:
willshak
Originally posted October 17, 2007.
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HerHusband
> We are using a wood stove in our basement to supplement heat
> and I have started to notice a "plastic like smell" especially
> when I've rekindled a fire and got it going nice and hot.
> Anthony, Did you get any answers?
That was an old post from a few years ago, and I don't remember hearing a
reasonable explanation for the plastic smell.
Thankfully, the plastic smell eventually went away on it's own, as
inexplicably as it started.
Anthony
Bob F
It was probably from plastic melted onto the stove. Perhaps from being sloppy
while wearing a pile sweater.
Steve B
> inexplicably as it started.
>
> Anthony
Whatever it was burned up.
HerHusband
>> inexplicably as it started.
> Whatever it was burned up.
Perhaps, though I had burned many hot fires previously and the smell
remained. I never burn anything except clean dry wood (usually alder, fir,
or cedar).
Every summer I clean the woodstove and chimney thoroughly. This includes
scooping out all the ash, then vaccuuming out any remaining ash. I have
fine filter bags in my vac to avoid blowing ash all over the house. :). I
also vaccuum all around the outside and back, and wipe everything down with
a damp rag (water only).
So, I suppose there may have been something in the ashes that gave off the
smell and removing it got rid of the smell. I really don't know, but am
thankful it has gone away.
Anthony
jim
I've a PE woodstove and the previous owner did not follow the
instructions for the bake in of the paint. The smell was there 10
minutes after start up every time. It recently required a touch up on
paint but I decided to kill 2 birds by having the unit sandblasted. I
repainted and followed instructions on bake in - problem solved. I
suggest If all else fails you do what I did.
jmor...@locksmithkeycodes.com
> "HerHusband" <unk...@unknown.com> wrote in message
> > started noticing a "plastic" smell when we are using the woodstove. It
> > seems to be most noticeable when we have a hot fire going. If I damper
> > down
> > the fire, the smell goes away.
> >
>
> parked a toy in a blower vent on the unit?
>
> Mine did and took a long time for it to burn away. -:)
OMG! I had the same problem and just couldn't figure it out! I read your post and sure enough, there was a damn little car in one of the blower vent tubes! I owe you one! Thanks ColbyT (-:
bud--
Why would you think he is around now?
I haven't seen him for years.
Stormin Mormon
Stormin Mormon
drea...@gmail.com
> We've had our woodstove for about four years now. Late last year, we
> started noticing a "plastic" smell when we are using the woodstove. It
> seems to be most noticeable when we have a hot fire going. If I damper down
> the fire, the smell goes away.
>
> smell never seems to burn off. And it's strong again the next time we use
> the woodstove.
>
> I've cleaned the chimney, vacuumed all dust on and around the stove,
> cleaned the door, etc. I've checked the walls around the woodstove to make
> sure it isn't coming from an external source, but they rarely even get warm
> to the touch.
>
> We burn only clean dry wood (fir, pine, cedar, and alder mostly), NEVER
> garbage or other material that might produce the smell. In fact, we rarely
> even smell smoke unless I've opened the door to load wood or something.
>
> Our wood stove (Lopi Patriot model) also gets it's combustion air from an
> external source, not from the living space.
>
> I've checked everything I can think of. What am I missing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
jbird...@gmail.com
Paint smells similar, but slightly different. So if unit or paint is fresh, take unit outside and burn off out there for 4-8 hours first.
msz...@gmail.com
> We've had our woodstove for about four years now. Late last year, we
> started noticing a "plastic" smell when we are using the woodstove. It
> seems to be most noticeable when we have a hot fire going. If I damper down
> the fire, the smell goes away.
>
> I assumed it was just the paint on the woodstove or chimney pipe, but the
> smell never seems to burn off. And it's strong again the next time we use
> the woodstove.
>
> I've cleaned the chimney, vacuumed all dust on and around the stove,
> cleaned the door, etc. I've checked the walls around the woodstove to make
> sure it isn't coming from an external source, but they rarely even get warm
> to the touch.
>
> We burn only clean dry wood (fir, pine, cedar, and alder mostly), NEVER
> garbage or other material that might produce the smell. In fact, we rarely
> even smell smoke unless I've opened the door to load wood or something.
>
> Our wood stove (Lopi Patriot model) also gets it's combustion air from an
> external source, not from the living space.
>
> I've checked everything I can think of. What am I missing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
jeepnutt
> We've had our woodstove for about four years now. Late last year, we
> started noticing a "plastic" smell when we are using the woodstove. It
> seems to be most noticeable when we have a hot fire going. If I damper down
> the fire, the smell goes away.
>
> I assumed it was just the paint on the woodstove or chimney pipe, but the
> smell never seems to burn off. And it's strong again the next time we use
> the woodstove.
>
> I've cleaned the chimney, vacuumed all dust on and around the stove,
> cleaned the door, etc. I've checked the walls around the woodstove to make
> sure it isn't coming from an external source, but they rarely even get warm
> to the touch.
>
> We burn only clean dry wood (fir, pine, cedar, and alder mostly), NEVER
> garbage or other material that might produce the smell. In fact, we rarely
> even smell smoke unless I've opened the door to load wood or something.
>
> Our wood stove (Lopi Patriot model) also gets it's combustion air from an
> external source, not from the living space.
>
> I've checked everything I can think of. What am I missing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
HerHusband
>> started noticing a "plastic" smell when we are using the woodstove.
> have had it for 4 years last couple it has been making a plastic
> chemical smell, I was wondering if any of you have nailed down a true
> reason. Im wondering about the incorrectly cured paint. When we first
> bought the stove I had trouble burning it exactly the way they
> recomended be our wood ended up not being seasoned enough for this
> stove. Everything I burn now is two years seasoned and I only burn
> hedge. I have burnt junk mail with some plastic on it but I would
> think a couple 600 degree fires would deffinently make the smell go
> away. would love some feed back the local stove shop were we bought it
> thinks were nuts.
plastic odor if I give the wood stove a good cleaning inside and out before
firing it up each fall. Scoop out the ash, then scrub down the vent pipes
at the inside top of the stove making sure the vent holes are all open.
Also, wipe everything down on the outside of the stove, top, sides, and
back. I pull the heat deflector off ours so I can clean that area well.
I don't know if it has something to do with dust that collected over the
summer, or residue left inside from the previous winter. I still get a
minor odd smell the first time I fire it up, but it is much less than
before I adopted the super cleaning each fall.
Anthony Watson
www.mountainsoftware.com
www.watsondiy.com
yooper
i have had the same problem for over a year since replacing my chimney from
clay tile to stainless steel. any more ideas?
James Schultz
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ItsJoanNotJoann
> replying to HerHusband, yooper wrote:
> i have had the same problem for over a year since replacing my chimney from
> clay tile to stainless steel. any more ideas?
>
> James Schultz
>
>
>
>
to be one of the village idiots at HomeMoanersHub dragging
this 9+ year old thread back up.
HerHusband
> i have had the same problem for over a year since replacing my chimney
> from clay tile to stainless steel. any more ideas?
In my case, it seems to be due to dust that settles on the heater over the
summer. It will burn off after a warm fire or two and the smell goes away.
However, if I take the time to clean the heat shields and wipe down the
woodstove, I can start my first fires without any smell.
Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
Mmj
We are havintgthe same problem! So bad that we cannot start a fire! The smell
is overpowering andgives us a headache and smells awful! Very plastic burning
smell! My son changed the woodstove because we thought it was the stove.. No
Luck! We now have a Waterford Erin - then sealed all the openings in the
brand new liner... No luck! Replaced and sealed all the gaskets! No luck! The
smell is worse than ever once it gets really Hot! This is so annoying,
frustrating anddisappointing! It's snowing out! We want a fire! HELP!!!!!
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Bobby
Any odor from the wood should be going up the chimney and out. If not the
stove, it could be the stove pipe. I sometimes get a little odor the first
fire of the season, but then anything on the surface is burned off. Try to
narrow down where it is coming from and perhaps post a photo. Open the
window, turn on a fan, crank up the stove as hot as practical.
%
> replying to jeepnutt, Bobby wrote:
> Any odor from the wood should be going up the chimney and out. If not the
> stove, it could be the stove pipe. I sometimes get a little odor the first
> fire of the season, but then anything on the surface is burned off.
> Try to
> narrow down where it is coming from and perhaps post a photo. Open the
> window, turn on a fan, crank up the stove as hot as practical.
Fireking
I sealed the flue connections from the INSIDE of the stove pipe using fire
cement if possible. This fixed my plastic/creosote mild smell in room. Clearly
the joins on the flue were jaded and it was leaking. Might of been chimney
sweeps ramming brush up there disjointed connection slightly as well.
Also fire doesn’t over draw now clearly was problem wish had sorted it
sooner....
cbri...@gmail.com
Clare Snyder
>This thread has been ongoing for 11 years with no definitive answer? I have a Lopi Leyden wood stove with plastic smell once unit gets hot. Actually see some black tar like substance in the crease of the top door. I need answers!!!!!! Please
stack?? If it is creosote it could be dangerous - anf you need to get
better wood and let it burn instead of banking it too much.
Ed Pawlowski
> This thread has been ongoing for 11 years with no definitive answer? I have a Lopi Leyden wood stove with plastic smell once unit gets hot. Actually see some black tar like substance in the crease of the top door. I need answers!!!!!! Please
>
enough to keep it clean. Twice a day I would load up my stove and burn
it very hot for at least 15 minutes and then damper it down.
The plastic smell is just burning off some of the gunk that built up.
It certainly is not plastic.
Be sure you wood is dried out too. It contains a lot of volitiles that
will build up as it burns.
Terry Coombs
moisture meters are cheap now . The OP doesn't say what kind of wood
he/she's burning but if it's pine ... I burn mostly oak and the moisture
content (of what I'm burning eight now) is a little over 20% so if I
don't let it burn hot for a while every few days I get some creosote
buildup .
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Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !
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Just
Of course it is best to check out the safety of the chimney and fireplace first, but believe me- paint fumes are distinguishable from smoke. I am surprised some health and safety executives haven't gotten on to this yet.
After only a few minutes of burning the fire I have been airing our living room for 3 days now while it is windy outside, and still the smell lingers and my skin starts to sting...it seems to stick to everything.
Yan75
Ned
Rod Speed
> Could it be creasote burning off ,
Peeler
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
> Unlikely he still cares after 13 years.
SINGLE such post!
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Just
It sounds like you haven't missed anything from your check list. I am sorry to say that it really is the chemicals from the log burner paint.
I have a couple of suggestions. which may or may not work well for you. I have chemical sensitivity, which means getting totally chemical free is essential. I found that airing the house for a week with all doors and windows open was not enough to remove the chemicals totally, and doing this undermines a couple of hours of log burning to heat the house. In our last house we tried lighting the fire at high temperature with all the windows open to burn off what ever the problem was, and it didn't work. The fire was a major contributor to heating the house. We ended up keeping it at minimal temperature to just keep it alight, and that way we avoided the fumes. It doesn't work so well on this new fire, but you could try that. If that does not completely avoid the fumes for you, this technique could be combined with the use of an air purifier. It would need to have a specification which removes chemicals as VOC's, not just dust particles. My purifier has an activated bamboo charcoal filter, but there are other methods of removing toxins from the air. Unfortunately THESE ARE TOXINS. The purifier will also remove toxins which you are not aware of, so a minor bonus.
Why health and safety hasn't yet got around to controlling the substances used on these I do not know, but it really should be in their in tray. I was affected so badly that the second time I went through the room (only access to bedrooms) all my skin was burning. For days I had to wear fabrics over all exposed skin, plus face mask. I enquired about getting the chemicals included in my desensitisation program, and was told that it was too toxic to do this. That means it is very toxic indeed : ( A good air purifier to over match your room size should cope, but do check the spec before buying.
mr bagoo
Sunlove
I think the smell is coming from your stove pipe. The paint requires an incredibly high temperature to cure. I had the same problem after installing a new Jotul woodstove with a new dura-vent single wall stove pipe. I continued having a strong smell after all of the break in burns, along with feeling ill in my lungs and throat from it (these paints are incredibly toxic and the smoke/fumes should never be inhaled- I think the manufacturing companies would be kind to inform people more realistically of this- and cure them in the factory). I ended up taking the stove and the stove pipe outside, using a 6-foot T-post and thick stainless steel wire (for fencing) to secure the stove pipe (I also wrapped the T-post with the stainless steel wire in a couple of places so the paint on the T-post didn't melt into the stove pipe), and burned the hottest possible fire I could in it. It took the box fully roaring until the stove pipe finally began to smoke from the paint curing. The smell was the same smell I had while burning in my house, and I think I just never got it hot enough (even with burning hot fires) to fully get it to cure. I think this is the problem that I have read about in a lot of other forums too. The pipe needs to get extremely hot to actually cure the paint, and if it only gets fired at the normal temperatures one would use for a woodstove, this happens over an incredibly long period of time, emitting fumes into the house every time there is a fire in it. It's horrible and not good for anybody. I am writing this in hopes to help others avoid dealing with unnecessary exposure. Cure your stove and stove pipe outside. Follow the instructions for breaking the stove in properly, and then burn a fire as hot as you can to cure the pipe and do it multiple times. Be careful with enamel stoves to avoid cracking due to excess heat. Ultimately it's best not to poison yourself or your kids because unnecessarily because it will if done inside every time you have a fire. Good luck!